This is what America needs

usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
edited June 2012 in A Moving Train
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Some statistics show that Texas alone accounted for nearly half of all jobs created in the US since the 2008-09 recession

low taxes
low spending
de-regulation

Let's do this!

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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,612
    For what percentage of jobs lost did Texas account during the recession?
  • snow_board_ridersnow_board_rider Posts: 943
    edited July 2011
    Wow. There are short sighted, forgetful people among us. Bush left this country better than the one he inherited, correct? Not the way I see it. Good luck buddy.
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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    please read posting guidelines. name calling is not ok. Please stay on topic as I would hate for this thread to get locked like the Rick Perry- The next President thread.

    Thanks. :D
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Wow. There are short forgetful people among us. Bush left this country better than the one he inherited, correct? Not the way I see it. Good luck buddy.

    Though I'm hardly ... hardly ... a Rick Perry fan ... what does he have to do with George Bush?
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  • RFTCRFTC Posts: 723
    Perry is a very polarizing figure here in TX. It would be fascinating to see him take his show on a presidential campaign. Full disclosure, i cannot stand the man, our school system and public health care is in shambles. how do i know? i have 2 children and wife is a current educator, does that make me biased? yes, thx!

    also, low taxes is somewhat of a myth if your a homeowner. my tax rate (all inclusive w/water, school, county, and state tops at 4% of home value). if you deduct prop tax, mortgage interest, and other standard deductibles, guess what is on the horizon? AMT baby...

    my biggest gripe about perry was his utter lack of balls unwilling to hold one fkn debate last year vs white. on top of that, the dude would not conduct open interviews w/press unless questions were pre-arranged.

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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    RFTC wrote:
    Perry is a very polarizing figure here in TX. It would be fascinating to see him take his show on a presidential campaign. Full disclosure, i cannot stand the man, our school system and public health care is in shambles. how do i know? i have 2 children and wife is a current educator, does that make me biased? yes, thx!

    also, low taxes is somewhat of a myth if your a homeowner. my tax rate (all inclusive w/water, school, county, and state tops at 4% of home value). if you deduct prop tax, mortgage interest, and other standard deductibles, guess what is on the horizon? AMT baby...

    my biggest gripe about perry was his utter lack of balls unwilling to hold one fkn debate last year vs white. on top of that, the dude would not conduct open interviews w/press unless questions were pre-arranged.

    hope this helps!

    I generally vote Republican ... yet, I find Perry to be somewhat of an extremist. Don't think I could vote for him.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,426
    My favorite Texan for President would be Willie Nelson... but I don't think a presidential candidate is what the Tea Pot Party has in mind. :D
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  • Who PrincessWho Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Texas may rank high in number of jobs created but we're dead last in most other categories. Unless you want to look at it upside down--for example, among the states we have the highest percentage of residents without health insurance.

    I can't see how deregulation has been beneficial for most people. It may attract businesses to the state but it hasn't improved things for the consumer. After a few years of electricity deregulation, Texans still pay some of the highest rates in the country for electricity. It's especially strange since we're sitting on nice big reserves of natural gas, which is used to produce the electricity.

    I keep reading about how Texas has created such a big number of jobs but I'm still trying to figure out where they all are. I spent the better part of 2 years out of work and there are still many people who are unemployed.

    Perry is not as popular in Texas as he would have you believe. In spite of the fact that he kept denying it, he's spent the last couple of years running for prez. I think he'd be amusing to watch in a national race but the idea that he'd be good for the country is scary to me. There's not a lot of brains under that nice head of hair.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,544
    I'll go on record as saying Rick Perry will not be elected President. All you need to know is right here:

    A budget shortfall as high as $27 billion is projected as lawmakers work through the 2011 legislative session, according to estimates from economists and the comptroller's office. There is unity on the amount of its budget shortfall, however. Republicans who argue spending does not need to be maintained or grow from 2010-11 levels argue the shortfall could be around ...

    Read More...

    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-taxes ... shortfall/

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  • Wow. There are short forgetful people among us. Bush left this country better than the one he inherited, correct? Not the way I see it. Good luck buddy.

    Though I'm hardly ... hardly ... a Rick Perry fan ... what does he have to do with George Bush?

    Perry = Bush

    Both are Texan GOP candidates that will fill their cronies pockets and take from the poor.
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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Perry = Bush

    Deep.

    What does Perry take from the poor?
    What cronies pockets does he line?

    Thanks for your contribution...in advance
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    nice head of hair.

    how much less would electricity cost without the deregulation you speak of? Higher prices in itself is not a loss. Would electricity be cheaper without the deregulation you speak of? Last I checked, energy was expensive.
    RFTC wrote:
    also, low taxes is somewhat of a myth if your a homeowner. my tax rate (all inclusive w/water, school, county, and state tops at 4% of home value). if you deduct prop tax, mortgage interest, and other standard deductibles, guess what is on the horizon? AMT baby...

    hope this helps!

    In Texas, the homestead exemption allows a deduction equal to 20% of the house value on a principal residence. Basically, the exemption removes part of your home’s value from being taxed, ultimately lowering your property taxes. If your home were appraised for $200,000, you would qualify for a $40,000 exemption. You would pay taxes on the homes as if it was worth $160,000. The benefit of the homestead exemption is a significant amount of savings.
    Additionaly,
    The homestead exemption is considered such a basic and important right in some states,including Florida and Texas, that it is mandated by the state's constitution. This prevents the state's legislature from modifying or repealing the exemption by statute.
    I wouldn't even buy land contracts or deeds of trust in Florida or Texas for this very reason when I was making hay in that field many years ago. too debtor friendly.
  • Isn't he the treasonous guy who threatened to make Texas it's own country?

    Shouldn't he be like in Jail or something?
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    edited July 2011
    RFTC wrote:
    my biggest gripe about perry was his utter lack of balls unwilling to hold one fkn debate last year vs white. on top of that, the dude would not conduct open interviews w/press unless questions were pre-arranged.
    Perry has never lost an election.

    and for some background
    An Eagle Scout and graduate of Texas A&M University, Perry was an Air Force pilot before resigning with the rank of Captain in 1977 and returning to West Texas to farm with his father.

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  • Some statistics show that Texas alone accounted for nearly half of all jobs created in the US since the 2008-09 recession

    Yeah, sadly most of them are jobs picking crops or cleaning up after natural disasters. So unless you want people to all make minimum wage or plan to set a lot of wild fires... that might not really be a statistic you want to wave around too much.
    low taxes
    low spending
    de-regulation

    Let's do this!

    We did. In the 80s. It's what caused the near total economic collapse of the late 80s that lasted into the mid 90s.

    We then tried it in the 00s. And it's why we're fucked now.

    How is it that people are unable to grasp that you can't have "low taxes and low spending" and still have a country that works?

    And most of all... why is it that after all the disasters and catastrophes caused by de-regulating things, the baggers still bang that "de-regulaton" drum?

    Do you even know what it means?

    That means that you'll pay much higher prices for unsafe products and lower-quality. Do you really want to live in the kind of world that Walmart would make?
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    and yet you claim to be a job creator in other threads because you have a gardener and housekeep and trainer? Ha!
    You can't have it both ways....



    oh, wait. :problem:
    Yeah, sadly most of them are jobs picking crops or cleaning up after natural disasters.

    source?
  • Prince Of DorknessPrince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    edited July 2011
    and yet you claim to be a job creator in other threads because you have a gardener and housekeep and trainer? Ha!


    Um.. no. I never made such a ridiculous claim.

    In fact... quite the opposite.

    I was very clear that giving me a pointlessly big tax cut would NOT create any more jobs. Because I only need one trainer, I only need the one gardener and I only need the one accountant.

    Taxing me higher just means less money stock-piled in my bank account where it doesn't do much.

    But taxing me higher means more money for the middle class... which means more consumer demand and therefore a more robust economy. See, I create a product that people need to buy. And if the middle class isn't buying... I'm not making any money. So I want the middle class to have a lower tax burden so my movies can sell (even) better than they do.

    Shall I draw you a pie chart?
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  • Yeah, sadly most of them are jobs picking crops or cleaning up after natural disasters.

    source?

    I'll make you a deal.

    Your first words in this thread were
    Some statistics show that

    And yet you provided no source.

    so in your own words...

    Ha!
    You can't have it both ways....
  • By the way...
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    So... who gets credit for creating jobs again?



    I'll give you a few minutes to study that. :idea:
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Isn't he the treasonous guy who threatened to make Texas it's own country?

    Shouldn't he be like in Jail or something?

    If so, someone should certainly cut the crotch out of all his pants. ;)
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Some statistics show that Texas alone accounted for nearly half of all jobs created in the US since the 2008-09 recession
    So you guys created like, 12 jobs?
    Let me guess....in the oil industry? wow, impressive.
    My province (Alberta) created more jobs last quarter than your entire country.....wait for it....in the oil industry.
    The price of oil goes up, more jobs are created in oil-rich areas. Buuuuut....it's more fun to pretend it's tax/spending cuts, and partisan initiatives that are creating these jobs.
  • shadowcastshadowcast Posts: 2,231
    Yeah, this is what we need another rich guy taxing the shit out of the poor and giving cuts to the wealthy. Facts below about Texas.

    Texas households earning $29,223 or less are expected to spend 6 percent of their income in general sales taxes and 5.3 percent of their income on school property taxes in 2013. The report says households earning more than $29,223 are likely to spend on average no more than 3.4 percent of their income on each of the two taxes.

    Texas is among 10 states with "particularly regressive" tax systems. One result is that low-income families "pay almost six times as much of their earnings in taxes as do the wealthy" and "middle-income families in these states pay up to three-and-a-half times as high a share of their income as the wealthiest families."
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    We did. In the 80s. It's what caused the near total economic collapse of the late 80s that lasted into the mid 90s.

    We then tried it in the 00s. And it's why we're fucked now.

    How is it that people are unable to grasp that you can't have "low taxes and low spending" and still have a country that works?

    At what point did we have low spending during those years? We have run on a deficit for just about every year save for the few years Clinton had a balanced budget...and things got going pretty well in this country. So what is wrong with spending what you take in? worked for Clinton...you would think it would work again if people would let it...How do people think he transferred a budget surplus?

    you can have a great country with low, reasonable spending, and low reasonable taxes.
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  • shadowcastshadowcast Posts: 2,231
    Heres another nugget on the texas budget. I thought Republicabns were suppossed to be the fiscally sound? Texas needs nearly $27 billion more than the state expects to raise from taxes and other sources to maintain current government services and programs through 2012-13. 2012 Texas shortfall to be $13.4 billion, equal to nearly 30 percent of the 2011 budget.
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    Wow. There are short sighted, forgetful people among us. Bush left this country better than the one he inherited, correct? Not the way I see it. Good luck buddy.


    To be fair, they are different people but trust me, you don't want Rick Perry to be president.

    The OP forgets to mention how far in debt Texas is, how low we rank in education, how many people we have that are uninsured, the percentage of the population in prison, etc.

    Rick Perry is a hypocrite of the highest order. He talks tough on spending except when it applies to his lavish taxpayer funded mansion and his ridiculous security entourage and his trips around the country and around the world to make speeches.
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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Wall Street Journal June 10, 2011
    Using Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data, Dallas Fed economists looked at state-by-state employment changes since June 2009, when the recession ended. Texas added 265,300 net jobs, out of the 722,200 nationwide, and by far outpaced every other state. New York was second with 98,200, Pennsylvania added 93,000, and it falls off from there. Nine states created fewer than 10,000 jobs, while Maine, Hawaii, Delaware and Wyoming created fewer than 1,000. Eighteen states have lost jobs since the recovery began.

    "Capital—both human and investment—is highly mobile, and it migrates all the time to the places where the opportunities are larger and the burdens are lower. Texas has no state income tax. Its regulatory conditions are contained and flexible. It is fiscally responsible and government is small. Its right-to-work law doesn't impose unions on businesses or employees. It is open to global trade and competition: Houston, San Antonio and El Paso are entrepôts for commerce, especially in the wake of the North American Free Trade Agreement."

    The Texas economy has grown on average by 3.3% a year over the last two decades, compared with 2.6% for the U.S. overall. Yet the core impulse of Obamanomics is to make America less like Texas and more like California, with more government, more unions, more central planning, higher taxes. That the former added 37% of new U.S. jobs suggests what an historic mistake this has been.
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    Perry can deliver.
    He doesn’t have the MittCare baggage.
    He has firmly rejected cap and trade
    Perry brings the Tea Party, business conservatives and social conservatives together.

    Woot
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    shadowcast wrote:
    Heres another nugget on the texas budget. I thought Republicabns were suppossed to be the fiscally sound? Texas needs nearly $27 billion more than the state expects to raise from taxes and other sources to maintain current government services and programs through 2012-13. 2012 Texas shortfall to be $13.4 billion, equal to nearly 30 percent of the 2011 budget.

    Yeah, and he solved that little crisis by slashing Medicaid contributions and cutting the education budget so severely it resulted in thousands of teachers losing their jobs which will of course drive us even further down the ranks in education.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/opini ... ugman.html

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/ ... P120110629

    http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Perry- ... 07629.html


    Oh, he's also a fucking nut:
    https://www.texasobserver.org/cover-sto ... rmy-of-god
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  • Isn't he the treasonous guy who threatened to make Texas it's own country?

    Shouldn't he be like in Jail or something?

    If so, someone should certainly cut the crotch out of all his pants. ;)


    haha... you know, I got the idea for that from an episode of the Golden Girls. Yeah, it was a dick move but he'd bought all those pants using my credit cards.. so technically, I paid for them, I had the receipts and they were all mine. So... well they didn't fit me..
  • mikepegg44 wrote:
    We have run on a deficit for just about every year save for the few years Clinton had a balanced budget...and things got going pretty well in this country. So what is wrong with spending what you take in? worked for Clinton...you would think it would work again if people would let it...How do people think he transferred a budget surplus?

    Agreed. Wish people could remember that all the silly "let the banks and corporations rip you off, cheat you and pat no taxes and THAT will save the economy" is what got us into this mess.
  • Perry can deliver.
    He doesn’t have the MittCare baggage.
    He has firmly rejected cap and trade
    Perry brings the Tea Party, business conservatives and social conservatives together.

    Woot


    So... you're just going to ignore all of the posts which show that you're 100% wrong and are hitching your wagon to the four horses of the Apocalypse. A very Tea Party response.

    Know that you're wrong. Vote for the white guy from Texas anyway since THAT's always worked out for us.
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