Star Wars May the 4th be with you (Spoilers)

rgambs

Erase the Gungans and get better Anakins and you've got some solid films.

The Juggler

Overall I liked the movie. Just a few things I didn’t like/understand:

Wasn’t Finn’s entire storyline a total waste of time? 

Leia’s weird near death experience was stupid. 

Dialogue was weak at times. 

Laura Dern sucks. I just don’t like her and was disappointed to see her stupid face. 

Other than that that it was great!

tempo_n_groove

JimmyV said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So my three favorite scenes are the one where Vader goes ballistic in R1.  In Empire when he meets Han in cloud city and blocks his laser blast and when Luke goes nuts on the barge in Jedi.

Movies ranked

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VI
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R1
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VIII
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That might be the highest I've ever seen anyone rank Attack of the Clones. That's why I love these lists. Everyone's tastes are so different.

I'm a huge fan of Clones.  The story line is great to me.  It could have been so much better too!

rgambs

Yes Finn is turning out to be a total waste altogether.  I liked him just fine in TFA but in TLJ I find myself hoping his role will be diminished in the next film.
I'd like to see this stretch out to 4 films, there's plenty of room for story.

Thoughts_Arrive

tempo_n_groove said:

JimmyV said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So my three favorite scenes are the one where Vader goes ballistic in R1.  In Empire when he meets Han in cloud city and blocks his laser blast and when Luke goes nuts on the barge in Jedi.

Movies ranked

V
VI
IV
VII
R1
II
VIII
III
I

That might be the highest I've ever seen anyone rank Attack of the Clones. That's why I love these lists. Everyone's tastes are so different.

I'm a huge fan of Clones.  The story line is great to me.  It could have been so much better too!

Too much CGI.

Thoughts_Arrive

http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/movies/the-last-jedis-most-striking-scene-baffles-us-audiences-20171227-h0alth.html

rgambs

Thoughts_Arrive said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JimmyV said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So my three favorite scenes are the one where Vader goes ballistic in R1.  In Empire when he meets Han in cloud city and blocks his laser blast and when Luke goes nuts on the barge in Jedi.

Movies ranked

V
VI
IV
VII
R1
II
VIII
III
I

That might be the highest I've ever seen anyone rank Attack of the Clones. That's why I love these lists. Everyone's tastes are so different.

I'm a huge fan of Clones.  The story line is great to me.  It could have been so much better too!

Too much CGI.

If you do a little research you'll find that the prequels used a ton of practical effects.  The problem is that the story was so large with so many impractical situations and characters, and the real issue is that some of the CGI was pretty poorly rendered.

JimmyV

Holdo refuses to tell Poe her plan because conflict so Finn and Rose go on a ridiculous secret mission to get a code breaker but they bring back a different code breaker who sells them out when they get captured causing the First Order to discover the fleeing transport ships that they weren't scanning for already because reasons inadvertently leading to the deaths of the bulk of remaining Resistance members. But on the plus side it does lead to a shot of Gwendolyn Christie's eyeball and one of the most awkward kisses in cinema history, paving the way for Poe and Rey to foreshadow a romance through their alleged first meeting despite it not really making any sense at all that they didn't meet offscreen at the end of TFA.

Great script.

goldrush

I really hated the Mary Poppins In Space scene. Apart from the fact that it made zero sense for Leia to suddenly have these powers out of nowhere, it felt like they missed a perfect chance to write her out of the script. No disrespect to Carrie Fisher, but was there any need for her to be in the film at all after that point? 
Plus, it would have solved the obvious problem of how to deal with Leia in Episode 9

The Juggler

goldrush said:

I really hated the Mary Poppins In Space scene. Apart from the fact that it made zero sense for Leia to suddenly have these powers out of nowhere, it felt like they missed a perfect chance to write her out of the script. No disrespect to Carrie Fisher, but was there any need for her to be in the film at all after that point? 
Plus, it would have solved the obvious problem of how to deal with Leia in Episode 9

Exactly. After that she was just....there. Didn't add anything to the rest of the film.

rgambs

goldrush said:

I really hated the Mary Poppins In Space scene. Apart from the fact that it made zero sense for Leia to suddenly have these powers out of nowhere, it felt like they missed a perfect chance to write her out of the script. No disrespect to Carrie Fisher, but was there any need for her to be in the film at all after that point? 
Plus, it would have solved the obvious problem of how to deal with Leia in Episode 9

She has been in touch with the Force for more than 30 years, you don't think she toyed with some light telekinesis in that time?  She clearly didn't shut herself off from the Force, there are scenes which show she is still in touch.
It literally makes more sense than saying the powers are sudden and from nowhere.

rgambs

But, yeah, it would have been a good opportunity to end her story.
I'm guessing they felt it would be a dishonour to scrap the scenes that proceed that one.

F Me In The Brain

https://youtu.be/2_XCWu93hys

JimmyV

She's been shown to be in touch with the force. She was never before shown to have that kind of power, though. A better script would have used Luke and Rey's training on the island to explain it somehow. Rey was able to channel the force during her fight with Kylo through desperation. Leia found herself in the most dire of circumstances and almost subconsciously was able to do the same. Rey could ask Luke about that so when we see Leia do it moments later it makes more sense. Nope. Instead we get a tickle joke and Rey foolishly asking if that is the force.

rgambs

JimmyV said:

She's been shown to be in touch with the force. She was never before shown to have that kind of power, though. A better script would have used Luke and Rey's training on the island to explain it somehow. Rey was able to channel the force during her fight with Kylo through desperation. Leia found herself in the most dire of circumstances and almost subconsciously was able to do the same. Rey could ask Luke about that so when we see Leia do it moments later it makes more sense. Nope. Instead we get a tickle joke and Rey foolishly asking if that is the force.

It's not that much power, in the vacuum of space with zero G, it shouldn't take much more of a pull than every other Force sensitive character has shown to be capable of.

JimmyV

rgambs said:

But, yeah, it would have been a good opportunity to end her story.
I'm guessing they felt it would be a dishonour to scrap the scenes that proceed that one.

We wouldn't have gotten her and Luke at the end and that would have been a shame. I think she can be written tastefully out in between films.

rgambs

JimmyV said:

rgambs said:

But, yeah, it would have been a good opportunity to end her story.
I'm guessing they felt it would be a dishonour to scrap the scenes that proceed that one.

We wouldn't have gotten her and Luke at the end and that would have been a shame. I think she can be written tastefully out in between films.

I agree, it was a fitting end for both characters, she should die in her sleep between films and I think the next episode should start with Leia's funeral.

Maybe joint funeral for Leia and Luke, maybe the First Order attacks the funeral and the galaxy erupts in rebellion against them.
Or maybe contrasting funerals for Leia and Snoke...I dunno, there's plenty of options but I feel like opening with Leia dead and the resistance mourning her is a fitting tribute.  It would be a meta-memorial for Leia and Carrie Fisher both.


I like Rian Johnson's meta-theme.
His main theme through the movie is literal within the story and literal messages to Star Wars fans.
"It's time to let the past die" or however he said it exactly, is a message directly to the fans, and one I felt needed to be expressed.

The Juggler

rgambs said:

goldrush said:

I really hated the Mary Poppins In Space scene. Apart from the fact that it made zero sense for Leia to suddenly have these powers out of nowhere, it felt like they missed a perfect chance to write her out of the script. No disrespect to Carrie Fisher, but was there any need for her to be in the film at all after that point? 
Plus, it would have solved the obvious problem of how to deal with Leia in Episode 9

She has been in touch with the Force for more than 30 years, you don't think she toyed with some light telekinesis in that time?  She clearly didn't shut herself off from the Force, there are scenes which show she is still in touch.
It literally makes more sense than saying the powers are sudden and from nowhere.

Even so...she didn't add anything to the rest of the movie. What was the point? So she used the force in a big dramatic moment to......just hang around for the final hour plus of the movie. Hooray!

MayDay10

rgambs said:

goldrush said:

I really hated the Mary Poppins In Space scene. Apart from the fact that it made zero sense for Leia to suddenly have these powers out of nowhere, it felt like they missed a perfect chance to write her out of the script. No disrespect to Carrie Fisher, but was there any need for her to be in the film at all after that point? 
Plus, it would have solved the obvious problem of how to deal with Leia in Episode 9

She has been in touch with the Force for more than 30 years, you don't think she toyed with some light telekinesis in that time?  She clearly didn't shut herself off from the Force, there are scenes which show she is still in touch.
It literally makes more sense than saying the powers are sudden and from nowhere.

Even so...she didn't add anything to the rest of the movie. What was the point? So she used the force in a big dramatic moment to......just hang around for the final hour plus of the movie. Hooray!

Its kind of insensitive, but I thought she was painful on screen, and I cant believe she was in as much of the plans for VIII and IX (and possibly beyond?).  Seeing her in TFA on screen felt uncomfortable.  

F Me In The Brain

Eating lunch right now and wondering what those furbies taste like.