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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited December 2017
    Yes, absolutely amazing.

    The downside is that I won't be able to enjoy Solo because the entire time I'll be thinking about Vader tearing ass through that corridor and how that's the movie I should be watching instead of a damn Han Solo origin with a lead who is reported to be a terrible actor.
    Give me Vader, hunting down the surviving Jedi scattered throughout the galaxy after executing Order 66.  He's hunting down Jedi and looking for his kids and the seeds of the Rebellion are being sown.  Nostalgia and new territory rolled together. 
    That's the film I want.
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    eddieceddiec Posts: 3,837
    Finally watched it. I was excited that the overall reception was mixed. For me that gave it potential.

    Verdict: Weak but could have been great.

    What I liked:
    -The telepathic scenes between Rey and Ren. Force users could always 'sense' other force users but this was the first time we saw them communicate. I loved every time this happened.
    -Luke's internal conflict. The different but nearly identical versions he and Ren had for what transpired that night was a fantastic point in the movie. It leaves no doubt why Luke sent himself into isolation. Much better than Yoda's forced exile.
    -The silence when Lorna Dern lightsped through the Imperial ship. There was some kid, probably around 10 years old, who whispered to himself but the entire theater could hear him. He went "Oh my God" with the most awestruck little kid voice. Too funny.
    -Snoke turned out to be a great villain. Really great. Then they kill him(see 'what I hated'.)

    What I hated:
    -It was way too long. Braveheart was 3 hours, Gladiator was 2:50. Both long but brilliant. This was shorter but felt 10 times as long. So many unnecessary scenes that should have been cut. I could watch Empire every few weeks beginning to end no problem. I'm not sure I could sit through this whole thing even one more time.
    -The audience doesn't need a hundred battles. Why so many battles???? By the time the last battle happened it was anticlimactic.
    -While that casino scene was cool why were we there for 20 or so minutes. And all that time devoted to Benecio del Toro and his stutter. What that his character choice? Give this guy a stutter. Too much time devoted to a useless character.
    -Finn's character is weak and his acting, or the directing of his acting, is weaker. I was hoping he was at least going too sacrifice himself and take out that cannon. But not to be.
    -Snoke's death. So the force user who can telepathically connect two other force users- something we've never seen before- can't sense that lightsaber turning on him. Come on. The actual death/saber slicing was cool but just can't believe it could happen.
    -Rey's lightsaber skills with no training. The entire premise of the Jedi is training. They used to have academies and masters devoted to training other Jedi. It was essential Luke trained with Yoda before he confronted Vader. Not only for his lightsaber skills but also for his mind. You would have thought Luke would have trained Rey a little, just a couple of good moves. But nothing. Yet here she is, no training but taking out Imperial guardsman and holding her own against Ren- the guy who just took out Snoke- I just don't buy it.

    Questions:
    So now Luke is a Force Ghost?
    Ren is now the leader of the Sith? That would be lame.





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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    eddiec said:
    Finally watched it. I was excited that the overall reception was mixed. For me that gave it potential.

    Verdict: Weak but could have been great.

    What I liked:
    -The telepathic scenes between Rey and Ren. Force users could always 'sense' other force users but this was the first time we saw them communicate. I loved every time this happened.
    -Luke's internal conflict. The different but nearly identical versions he and Ren had for what transpired that night was a fantastic point in the movie. It leaves no doubt why Luke sent himself into isolation. Much better than Yoda's forced exile.
    -The silence when Lorna Dern lightsped through the Imperial ship. There was some kid, probably around 10 years old, who whispered to himself but the entire theater could hear him. He went "Oh my God" with the most awestruck little kid voice. Too funny.
    -Snoke turned out to be a great villain. Really great. Then they kill him(see 'what I hated'.)

    What I hated:
    -It was way too long. Braveheart was 3 hours, Gladiator was 2:50. Both long but brilliant. This was shorter but felt 10 times as long. So many unnecessary scenes that should have been cut. I could watch Empire every few weeks beginning to end no problem. I'm not sure I could sit through this whole thing even one more time.
    -The audience doesn't need a hundred battles. Why so many battles???? By the time the last battle happened it was anticlimactic.
    -While that casino scene was cool why were we there for 20 or so minutes. And all that time devoted to Benecio del Toro and his stutter. What that his character choice? Give this guy a stutter. Too much time devoted to a useless character.
    -Finn's character is weak and his acting, or the directing of his acting, is weaker. I was hoping he was at least going too sacrifice himself and take out that cannon. But not to be.
    -Snoke's death. So the force user who can telepathically connect two other force users- something we've never seen before- can't sense that lightsaber turning on him. Come on. The actual death/saber slicing was cool but just can't believe it could happen.
    -Rey's lightsaber skills with no training. The entire premise of the Jedi is training. They used to have academies and masters devoted to training other Jedi. It was essential Luke trained with Yoda before he confronted Vader. Not only for his lightsaber skills but also for his mind. You would have thought Luke would have trained Rey a little, just a couple of good moves. But nothing. Yet here she is, no training but taking out Imperial guardsman and holding her own against Ren- the guy who just took out Snoke- I just don't buy it.

    Questions:
    So now Luke is a Force Ghost?
    Ren is now the leader of the Sith? That would be lame.





    Luke was never trained on lightsaber fighting either and he held his own (ish) against Vader even though he was a damn farmer.
    Rey at least was a scavenger that had to learn ass-whoopin' staff style to get by.
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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,619
    1. V - Empire
    2. IV - Last Hope
    3. VII - Force Awakens
    4. VIII - Last Jedi
    5. R1
    6. VI - Return
    7. III - Sith
    8. II - Clones
    9. I - Phantom Penis

    Return was awesome in parts -- but I hate those ewoks, so hard.  Also, might be 3PO's most annoying work.
    Need to see TLJ again, it might climb up.  I liked it but I cannot stop thinking about the abortion that was the handling of PL's death and pulling herself back into the ship.
    R1 was cool - damn I loved the end.



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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,006
    edited January 2018
    rgambs said:
    eddiec said:
    Finally watched it. I was excited that the overall reception was mixed. For me that gave it potential.

    Verdict: Weak but could have been great.

    What I liked:
    -The telepathic scenes between Rey and Ren. Force users could always 'sense' other force users but this was the first time we saw them communicate. I loved every time this happened.
    -Luke's internal conflict. The different but nearly identical versions he and Ren had for what transpired that night was a fantastic point in the movie. It leaves no doubt why Luke sent himself into isolation. Much better than Yoda's forced exile.
    -The silence when Lorna Dern lightsped through the Imperial ship. There was some kid, probably around 10 years old, who whispered to himself but the entire theater could hear him. He went "Oh my God" with the most awestruck little kid voice. Too funny.
    -Snoke turned out to be a great villain. Really great. Then they kill him(see 'what I hated'.)

    What I hated:
    -It was way too long. Braveheart was 3 hours, Gladiator was 2:50. Both long but brilliant. This was shorter but felt 10 times as long. So many unnecessary scenes that should have been cut. I could watch Empire every few weeks beginning to end no problem. I'm not sure I could sit through this whole thing even one more time.
    -The audience doesn't need a hundred battles. Why so many battles???? By the time the last battle happened it was anticlimactic.
    -While that casino scene was cool why were we there for 20 or so minutes. And all that time devoted to Benecio del Toro and his stutter. What that his character choice? Give this guy a stutter. Too much time devoted to a useless character.
    -Finn's character is weak and his acting, or the directing of his acting, is weaker. I was hoping he was at least going too sacrifice himself and take out that cannon. But not to be.
    -Snoke's death. So the force user who can telepathically connect two other force users- something we've never seen before- can't sense that lightsaber turning on him. Come on. The actual death/saber slicing was cool but just can't believe it could happen.
    -Rey's lightsaber skills with no training. The entire premise of the Jedi is training. They used to have academies and masters devoted to training other Jedi. It was essential Luke trained with Yoda before he confronted Vader. Not only for his lightsaber skills but also for his mind. You would have thought Luke would have trained Rey a little, just a couple of good moves. But nothing. Yet here she is, no training but taking out Imperial guardsman and holding her own against Ren- the guy who just took out Snoke- I just don't buy it.

    Questions:
    So now Luke is a Force Ghost?
    Ren is now the leader of the Sith? That would be lame.





    Luke was never trained on lightsaber fighting either and he held his own (ish) against Vader even though he was a damn farmer.
    Rey at least was a scavenger that had to learn ass-whoopin' staff style to get by.
    Luke was saber training with Obiwan in the first movie.  
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rgambs said:
    eddiec said:
    Finally watched it. I was excited that the overall reception was mixed. For me that gave it potential.

    Verdict: Weak but could have been great.

    What I liked:
    -The telepathic scenes between Rey and Ren. Force users could always 'sense' other force users but this was the first time we saw them communicate. I loved every time this happened.
    -Luke's internal conflict. The different but nearly identical versions he and Ren had for what transpired that night was a fantastic point in the movie. It leaves no doubt why Luke sent himself into isolation. Much better than Yoda's forced exile.
    -The silence when Lorna Dern lightsped through the Imperial ship. There was some kid, probably around 10 years old, who whispered to himself but the entire theater could hear him. He went "Oh my God" with the most awestruck little kid voice. Too funny.
    -Snoke turned out to be a great villain. Really great. Then they kill him(see 'what I hated'.)

    What I hated:
    -It was way too long. Braveheart was 3 hours, Gladiator was 2:50. Both long but brilliant. This was shorter but felt 10 times as long. So many unnecessary scenes that should have been cut. I could watch Empire every few weeks beginning to end no problem. I'm not sure I could sit through this whole thing even one more time.
    -The audience doesn't need a hundred battles. Why so many battles???? By the time the last battle happened it was anticlimactic.
    -While that casino scene was cool why were we there for 20 or so minutes. And all that time devoted to Benecio del Toro and his stutter. What that his character choice? Give this guy a stutter. Too much time devoted to a useless character.
    -Finn's character is weak and his acting, or the directing of his acting, is weaker. I was hoping he was at least going too sacrifice himself and take out that cannon. But not to be.
    -Snoke's death. So the force user who can telepathically connect two other force users- something we've never seen before- can't sense that lightsaber turning on him. Come on. The actual death/saber slicing was cool but just can't believe it could happen.
    -Rey's lightsaber skills with no training. The entire premise of the Jedi is training. They used to have academies and masters devoted to training other Jedi. It was essential Luke trained with Yoda before he confronted Vader. Not only for his lightsaber skills but also for his mind. You would have thought Luke would have trained Rey a little, just a couple of good moves. But nothing. Yet here she is, no training but taking out Imperial guardsman and holding her own against Ren- the guy who just took out Snoke- I just don't buy it.

    Questions:
    So now Luke is a Force Ghost?
    Ren is now the leader of the Sith? That would be lame.





    Luke was never trained on lightsaber fighting either and he held his own (ish) against Vader even though he was a damn farmer.
    Rey at least was a scavenger that had to learn ass-whoopin' staff style to get by.
    Luke was saber training with Obiwan in the first movie.  
    True, but training like a youngling lol
    A lifetime on Jakku has to be better than that!
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    So my three favorite scenes are the one where Vader goes ballistic in R1.  In Empire when he meets Han in cloud city and blocks his laser blast and when Luke goes nuts on the barge in Jedi.

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    BIGDaddyWilBIGDaddyWil Michigan Posts: 3,036
    For some reason, I didn't like the casting of Laura Dern and Benicio Del Toro.
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,913
    So my three favorite scenes are the one where Vader goes ballistic in R1.  In Empire when he meets Han in cloud city and blocks his laser blast and when Luke goes nuts on the barge in Jedi.

    Movies ranked

    V
    VI
    IV
    VII
    R1
    II
    VIII
    III
    I

    That might be the highest I've ever seen anyone rank Attack of the Clones. That's why I love these lists. Everyone's tastes are so different.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    I think the prequels are underrated.  
    The plot is solid, the action sequences are fun to watch, and though there are serious issues with the dialogue and some acting performances, there are some LOTR caliber quotes and solid acting moments.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Erase the Gungans and get better Anakins and you've got some solid films.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,269
    Overall I liked the movie. Just a few things I didn’t like/understand:

    Wasn’t Finn’s entire storyline a total waste of time? 

    Leia’s weird near death experience was stupid. 

    Dialogue was weak at times. 

    Laura Dern sucks. I just don’t like her and was disappointed to see her stupid face. 

    Other than that that it was great!
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    JimmyV said:
    So my three favorite scenes are the one where Vader goes ballistic in R1.  In Empire when he meets Han in cloud city and blocks his laser blast and when Luke goes nuts on the barge in Jedi.

    Movies ranked

    V
    VI
    IV
    VII
    R1
    II
    VIII
    III
    I

    That might be the highest I've ever seen anyone rank Attack of the Clones. That's why I love these lists. Everyone's tastes are so different.
    I'm a huge fan of Clones.  The story line is great to me.  It could have been so much better too!
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Yes Finn is turning out to be a total waste altogether.  I liked him just fine in TFA but in TLJ I find myself hoping his role will be diminished in the next film.
    I'd like to see this stretch out to 4 films, there's plenty of room for story.
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    Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    JimmyV said:
    So my three favorite scenes are the one where Vader goes ballistic in R1.  In Empire when he meets Han in cloud city and blocks his laser blast and when Luke goes nuts on the barge in Jedi.

    Movies ranked

    V
    VI
    IV
    VII
    R1
    II
    VIII
    III
    I

    That might be the highest I've ever seen anyone rank Attack of the Clones. That's why I love these lists. Everyone's tastes are so different.
    I'm a huge fan of Clones.  The story line is great to me.  It could have been so much better too!
    Too much CGI.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    JimmyV said:
    So my three favorite scenes are the one where Vader goes ballistic in R1.  In Empire when he meets Han in cloud city and blocks his laser blast and when Luke goes nuts on the barge in Jedi.

    Movies ranked

    V
    VI
    IV
    VII
    R1
    II
    VIII
    III
    I

    That might be the highest I've ever seen anyone rank Attack of the Clones. That's why I love these lists. Everyone's tastes are so different.
    I'm a huge fan of Clones.  The story line is great to me.  It could have been so much better too!
    Too much CGI.
    If you do a little research you'll find that the prequels used a ton of practical effects.  The problem is that the story was so large with so many impractical situations and characters, and the real issue is that some of the CGI was pretty poorly rendered.
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,913
    Holdo refuses to tell Poe her plan because conflict so Finn and Rose go on a ridiculous secret mission to get a code breaker but they bring back a different code breaker who sells them out when they get captured causing the First Order to discover the fleeing transport ships that they weren't scanning for already because reasons inadvertently leading to the deaths of the bulk of remaining Resistance members. But on the plus side it does lead to a shot of Gwendolyn Christie's eyeball and one of the most awkward kisses in cinema history, paving the way for Poe and Rey to foreshadow a romance through their alleged first meeting despite it not really making any sense at all that they didn't meet offscreen at the end of TFA.

    Great script.
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    goldrushgoldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,277
    I really hated the Mary Poppins In Space scene. Apart from the fact that it made zero sense for Leia to suddenly have these powers out of nowhere, it felt like they missed a perfect chance to write her out of the script. No disrespect to Carrie Fisher, but was there any need for her to be in the film at all after that point? 
    Plus, it would have solved the obvious problem of how to deal with Leia in Episode 9
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,269
    goldrush said:
    I really hated the Mary Poppins In Space scene. Apart from the fact that it made zero sense for Leia to suddenly have these powers out of nowhere, it felt like they missed a perfect chance to write her out of the script. No disrespect to Carrie Fisher, but was there any need for her to be in the film at all after that point? 
    Plus, it would have solved the obvious problem of how to deal with Leia in Episode 9
    Exactly. After that she was just....there. Didn't add anything to the rest of the film.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    goldrush said:
    I really hated the Mary Poppins In Space scene. Apart from the fact that it made zero sense for Leia to suddenly have these powers out of nowhere, it felt like they missed a perfect chance to write her out of the script. No disrespect to Carrie Fisher, but was there any need for her to be in the film at all after that point? 
    Plus, it would have solved the obvious problem of how to deal with Leia in Episode 9
    She has been in touch with the Force for more than 30 years, you don't think she toyed with some light telekinesis in that time?  She clearly didn't shut herself off from the Force, there are scenes which show she is still in touch.
    It literally makes more sense than saying the powers are sudden and from nowhere.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    But, yeah, it would have been a good opportunity to end her story.
    I'm guessing they felt it would be a dishonour to scrap the scenes that proceed that one.
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,913
    She's been shown to be in touch with the force. She was never before shown to have that kind of power, though. A better script would have used Luke and Rey's training on the island to explain it somehow. Rey was able to channel the force during her fight with Kylo through desperation. Leia found herself in the most dire of circumstances and almost subconsciously was able to do the same. Rey could ask Luke about that so when we see Leia do it moments later it makes more sense. Nope. Instead we get a tickle joke and Rey foolishly asking if that is the force.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    JimmyV said:
    She's been shown to be in touch with the force. She was never before shown to have that kind of power, though. A better script would have used Luke and Rey's training on the island to explain it somehow. Rey was able to channel the force during her fight with Kylo through desperation. Leia found herself in the most dire of circumstances and almost subconsciously was able to do the same. Rey could ask Luke about that so when we see Leia do it moments later it makes more sense. Nope. Instead we get a tickle joke and Rey foolishly asking if that is the force.
    It's not that much power, in the vacuum of space with zero G, it shouldn't take much more of a pull than every other Force sensitive character has shown to be capable of.
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,913
    rgambs said:
    But, yeah, it would have been a good opportunity to end her story.
    I'm guessing they felt it would be a dishonour to scrap the scenes that proceed that one.
    We wouldn't have gotten her and Luke at the end and that would have been a shame. I think she can be written tastefully out in between films.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited January 2018
    JimmyV said:
    rgambs said:
    But, yeah, it would have been a good opportunity to end her story.
    I'm guessing they felt it would be a dishonour to scrap the scenes that proceed that one.
    We wouldn't have gotten her and Luke at the end and that would have been a shame. I think she can be written tastefully out in between films.
    I agree, it was a fitting end for both characters, she should die in her sleep between films and I think the next episode should start with Leia's funeral.

    Maybe joint funeral for Leia and Luke, maybe the First Order attacks the funeral and the galaxy erupts in rebellion against them.
    Or maybe contrasting funerals for Leia and Snoke...I dunno, there's plenty of options but I feel like opening with Leia dead and the resistance mourning her is a fitting tribute.  It would be a meta-memorial for Leia and Carrie Fisher both.


    I like Rian Johnson's meta-theme.
    His main theme through the movie is literal within the story and literal messages to Star Wars fans.
    "It's time to let the past die" or however he said it exactly, is a message directly to the fans, and one I felt needed to be expressed.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,269
    edited January 2018
    rgambs said:
    goldrush said:
    I really hated the Mary Poppins In Space scene. Apart from the fact that it made zero sense for Leia to suddenly have these powers out of nowhere, it felt like they missed a perfect chance to write her out of the script. No disrespect to Carrie Fisher, but was there any need for her to be in the film at all after that point? 
    Plus, it would have solved the obvious problem of how to deal with Leia in Episode 9
    She has been in touch with the Force for more than 30 years, you don't think she toyed with some light telekinesis in that time?  She clearly didn't shut herself off from the Force, there are scenes which show she is still in touch.
    It literally makes more sense than saying the powers are sudden and from nowhere.

    Even so...she didn't add anything to the rest of the movie. What was the point? So she used the force in a big dramatic moment to......just hang around for the final hour plus of the movie. Hooray!
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    rgambs said:
    goldrush said:
    I really hated the Mary Poppins In Space scene. Apart from the fact that it made zero sense for Leia to suddenly have these powers out of nowhere, it felt like they missed a perfect chance to write her out of the script. No disrespect to Carrie Fisher, but was there any need for her to be in the film at all after that point? 
    Plus, it would have solved the obvious problem of how to deal with Leia in Episode 9
    She has been in touch with the Force for more than 30 years, you don't think she toyed with some light telekinesis in that time?  She clearly didn't shut herself off from the Force, there are scenes which show she is still in touch.
    It literally makes more sense than saying the powers are sudden and from nowhere.

    Even so...she didn't add anything to the rest of the movie. What was the point? So she used the force in a big dramatic moment to......just hang around for the final hour plus of the movie. Hooray!
    Its kind of insensitive, but I thought she was painful on screen, and I cant believe she was in as much of the plans for VIII and IX (and possibly beyond?).  Seeing her in TFA on screen felt uncomfortable.  
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