Waterboarding-thanks GW-and Obama

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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Well if you claim to be a realist or pragmatical, you'd recognize that if you "destroy the evil do'ers", in the process you're hurting innocents along the way. Perhaps in the long run you can merely claim it's not the intention or motive, but if continued to such extremes, you've been brought down to the opponents level. And in the end, the "evil do'ers" will never be gone, but your moral high ground, respect of others and rule of law will be.
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    I am a realist. We can't all get along. In the meantime, I am prepared to accept imperfections in my team. I look past the costs because I realize the rewards. We must destroy them, the evil do'ers. ;)
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    It's a natural compromise of survival. Of winning by accounting for the penalties of some fouls here and there. It's a big picture. ;)

    I'll keep the high ground. That's where you win from.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Yeah but you're missing the point - you're lowering yourself, not keeping the high ground. As for "survival", that's an overly dramatic generalization of reality. The likelihood is that if we continue fighting wars and acting in the world as we do, the greater the risk of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons will be used against us. We continue to lower our standards, yet continue to escalate the dangers... not a good combination and certainty doesn't breed stability, peace or winning.
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    It's a natural compromise of survival. Of winning by accounting for the penalties of some fouls here and there. It's a big picture. ;)

    I'll keep the high ground. That's where you win from.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Do not get complacent. This means aggressive offense of the Rats...that I want destroyed. People who wish harm on my country?
    I disagree with your laid back approach and I say smoke them sum bitches out. It is survival. Don't kid yourself

    good 'ol fashioned enhanced interrogation techniques

    High ground wins.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    Well said, gimmesometruth27 and FiveB247x. Thank you!

    All the other talk of justifying torture is getting to me. Adios till next time.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,627
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.

    :D

    "The road to bin Laden began with waterboarding," Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., House Homeland Security Chairman, said in an NBC News interview in which he asserted that waterboarding is a "moral imperative" that "saves lives."

    Doubtful.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,479
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Do not get complacent. This means aggressive offense of the Rats...that I want destroyed. People who wish harm on my country?
    I disagree with your laid back approach and I say smoke them sum bitches out. It is survival. Don't kid yourself

    good 'ol fashioned enhanced interrogation techniques

    High ground wins.
    this attitude and arrogance is why they hate us. can't you see that?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    They hate us because we have an entire isle of different cereal...
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    And where exactly do you plan on practicing these measures? We gonna keep invading every nation? Or perhaps you don't realize that everytime we enter one of these nations, we leave it worse off for the locals, and it turns into a breading ground for more "rats"?

    Seems like you're too busy aiming your crosshairs at a few miscreants but ignoring what our own government is doing is the world. You know like selling arms to Pakistan while negotiating (Bush's policies) and they didn't help us get Osama (and possibly knew exactly where he was). Or perhaps continue to back Saudi Arabia for our oil interests while they continue to breed terror in the region? Your notion of a solution isn't practical nor fits the real world of what we do and what others will allow for.

    Ps.. it's "aisle"... an "isle" is an island...and we're not an island of cereal ;)
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Do not get complacent. This means aggressive offense of the Rats...that I want destroyed. People who wish harm on my country?
    I disagree with your laid back approach and I say smoke them sum bitches out. It is survival. Don't kid yourself

    good 'ol fashioned enhanced interrogation techniques

    High ground wins.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    My NOTION is what we are practicing....homeboy
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Really, is that why it took us a decade to get Osama even though he was in the same place for roughly 6 years? And in a very open area like 20-30 miles outside of the capital of Pakistan? Was that because of the help of the Pakistan government? Yeah, didn't think so. Your notion is not in line with what our policies and practical/realist conditions are in the world. It's an idiot game of whack-a-mole, and guess what, you can't ever win. You can keep playing if you're an idiot or find a new strategy.
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    My NOTION is what we are practicing....homeboy
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,479
    the attitude of american exceptionalism has gotten us nowhere in the war on terror. perhaps this is why pakistan did not reveal bin laden's hiding place. they had to have known he was staying a few minutes away from the pakistani equivalent of west point. but that is another thread entirely.

    i know that i never wanted to help an arrogant prick when i was a bartender, so maybe if we softened the american exceptionalism attitude for 10 minutes we might actually get somewhere diplomatically.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    They must not have tipped well
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    America is exceptional .
    This is why you don't really get it. Sorry. Try to keep on trucking, you'll catch on I hope.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,479
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    They must not have tipped well
    that was irrelevent.

    the point is people are less willing to help people that think that they are superior to everyone else. hence the term american exceptionalism.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Sp. :D
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    People love Kobe
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    See that's why you're wrong. Simply because we have so many great things in our nation, the most money or allow the most freedoms, doesn't mean we should be acting this way in the world. In fact, we should be trying to be a shining example to the rest of the world of how to be, but as you put it, we're just looking out for ourselves, and guess what, so does everyone else. Then one day it arrives on your door and everyone says, hey, welcome to our world, you're not isolated and the smug attitude compounds others from helping. We were a great experiment created to be a beacon in the world... your posts greatly describe how we have undone that because of self-interest and loosing site of good and bad. And yea, we're still better than the rest, but I doubt you send your child to school to get a grade of C so they can edge out all the D students.. right?
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    America is exceptional .
    This is why you don't really get it. Sorry. Try to keep on trucking, you'll catch on I hope.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.

    :D

    "The road to bin Laden began with waterboarding," Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., House Homeland Security Chairman, said in an NBC News interview in which he asserted that waterboarding is a "moral imperative" that "saves lives."

    awkward how this is wrong

    "The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003,” said Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the National Security Council. “It took years of collection and analysis from many different sources to develop the case that enabled us to identify this compound, and reach a judgment that Bin Laden was likely to be living there.” "

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/po ... &seid=auto
  • Chip McFlennigan
    Chip McFlennigan Posts: 1,162
    MrAbraham wrote:
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.

    :D

    "The road to bin Laden began with waterboarding," Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., House Homeland Security Chairman, said in an NBC News interview in which he asserted that waterboarding is a "moral imperative" that "saves lives."

    Now ask yourself, how many more terrorists has waterboarding and other forms of torture created?

    Still smiling?

    Haters gon' hate.
    I knew it all along, see?

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