i respect your right to express your viewpionts (can you do that in your country as free as you can in ours?)
Many criticize the US for getting involved in other countries issues, but many also criticize when we don't (darfur, etc.). It's a line we walk as powerful country. we are the world's big brother. Of course we make mistakes at times and do things that we shouldn't. but do you also give the US praise for it's efforts when tragedy strikes in other countries? We as a nation are the most generous in giving charity around the world.
for personal reasons i can say i am happy that we killed a man who was a mass murderer of innocent american's. may he rest if hell.
Damn, what a great post.
As I said in the other thread, we are glad he is dead because now there is no chance that some misguided judge or commission or "person-in-charge-of-something" will ever release him, such as the ridiculous events with the TWA bomber being released from Scotland to a hero's welcome home in Libya because he was "sick."
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Just curious. Have you ever felt the need to post something when other groups have massive celebrations in the streets when innocent people are brutaly murdered or beheaded? Ever have the urge to post when a group. Celebrates the murder of a 3 month old infant by cutting the throat, with handing out candy and sweets to children? Ever feel like those actions might need some of your attention?
Not today. Its to sensative for to many people for a post lime that today. Give us some time please
i respect your right to express your viewpionts (can you do that in your country as free as you can in ours?)
Many criticize the US for getting involved in other countries issues, but many also criticize when we don't (darfur, etc.). It's a line we walk as powerful country. we are the world's big brother. Of course we make mistakes at times and do things that we shouldn't. but do you also give the US praise for it's efforts when tragedy strikes in other countries? We as a nation are the most generous in giving charity around the world.
for personal reasons i can say i am happy that we killed a man who was a mass murderer of innocent american's. may he rest if hell.
Damn, what a great post.
As I said in the other thread, we are glad he is dead because now there is no chance that some misguided judge or commission or "person-in-charge-of-something" will ever release him, such as the ridiculous events with the TWA bomber being released from Scotland to a hero's welcome home in Libya because he was "sick."
jail was not an option...that was to good for him
i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
somebody lock this fuckin thread before more goddamn idiots living outside of the US try to tell us that celebrating the death of a symbol of evil is a bad thing. We know this war isnt over, we know that there are bigger things to get going towards, and i dont think anyone should expect to bring home any troops yet. but the people who dont live in this country can shut up now. you dont know anything about how this makes people feel who lost people they loved either in the 9/11 attacks or in the war. its more of a symbol then an advance in the war.
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i thought it was hilarious when msnbc said people were singing "we are the champions" outside the white house last night... champions of what?? we are dumb
am i happy? hell yeah - he got what every shit head criminal deserves! was it a symbolic victory more than anything? obviously.
somebody lock this fuckin thread before more goddamn idiots living outside of the US try to tell us that celebrating the death of a symbol of evil is a bad thing. We know this war isnt over, we know that there are bigger things to get going towards, and i dont think anyone should expect to bring home any troops yet. but the people who dont live in this country can shut up now. you dont know anything about how this makes people feel who lost people they loved either in the 9/11 attacks or in the war. its more of a symbol then an advance in the war.
a respectful islamic burial was too good for him too... how many 9/11 victims were never given a proper burial according to their religious/personal beliefs... this ruined my buzz this morning
guess we have to walk a fine line to avoid retaliation though
a respectful islamic burial was too good for him too... how many 9/11 victims were never given a proper burial according to their religious/personal beliefs... this ruined my buzz this morning
guess we have to walk a fine line to avoid retaliation though
Probably the right thing to do. I guess.
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..im afraid more to come..bad things after his death
^^^this is why I am not 'celebrating'...there are more forces of Osama's out there, they could have been told 'if I am captured, fight back'...who knows when, where or if. :?
and I also agree with SVRDhand13
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a respectful islamic burial was too good for him too... how many 9/11 victims were never given a proper burial according to their religious/personal beliefs... this ruined my buzz this morning
guess we have to walk a fine line to avoid retaliation though
well my gf's uncles femur was handed to his wife ..that was respectful i guess :roll: :roll:
i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
a respectful islamic burial was too good for him too... how many 9/11 victims were never given a proper burial according to their religious/personal beliefs... this ruined my buzz this morning
guess we have to walk a fine line to avoid retaliation though
Probably the right thing to do. I guess.
I guess it was more to do with respecting the religion rather than the man himself.
It is a shame we didn't catch him alive though, who knows what kind of information we could have gotten from him that may have helped to catch more of his organization.
I guess it was more to do with respecting the religion rather than the man himself.
It is a shame we didn't catch him alive though, who knows what kind of information we could have gotten from him that may have helped to catch more of his organization.
Do you think they really intended to bring him out alive?!?!
It may be the wrong forum yes...but a US citizen or not, it is the right message. And cheering for the death of any one person, no matter how evil they may seem to be...(go ahead, I'm immune to all that you will throw my way) is just NOT the way it should be. Hey, I don't profess to even coming close to understanding it and even mountains more away from agreeing with it..no way. But there it is. Killing any one person for his crimes IMO is perpetrating the evil therein...perpetually. Who are we? Who is mankind to decide the lives of others? Who gave any one person on this planet the right to take an eye for an eye, a hand for a hand, a life for a life. I can tell you, if it were up to me to push that button, squeeze that trigger, push that plunger, flip that switch, it wouldn't happen. But you all are right..wrong forum. Move this to AMT and it'll go on forever and ever.
AND i think it's been said before.....
Nothing's changed, but the surrounding bullshit... that has grown
YOU DO REALIZE HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR AT LEAST 3,000 INNOCENT LIVES
tell that to my gf's 4 cousin's who lost their father when they were all 7 yrs old and younger
I DO know...or rather I do know who we were TOLD was responsible. Maybe responsibility lies there. It's been claimed. Do you recall that we were also told that it was the fault of Sadam? Yes.. I remember that well. Excuses for war. We are told a lot of things. I suppose 9-11 was proudly claimed by Bin Laden and his followers. That is not my point. I am very sorry that so many lives were lost. It is horrible. I cried my eyes out then. I still do. However, my convictions do not change with the circumstances. If they did, would they be convictions at all? I don't believe in an eye for an eye. I know half the world wanted him dead. I know its very personal and gut wrenching. I get that. I'm angry...we all are...and we should be. But I say if the elimination of another life were the solution, it were up to me, I couldn't do it. And I don't believe in it. What purpose does the killing of another person serve? Does it bring back our loved ones? It certainly does not. It may satisfy some urge for revenge, and that's it. That's all. I think he needed to be caught, imprisoned for life. Hard time. Yes. I think he should pay for his crimes. I just don't know how taking any other life justifies anything. I mean, isn't it the most contradictory thing a person can possibly ever do? How can you say...OH (and I'm not talking bin laden, I'm talking anyone) that person has killed a person..so I will now kill them. Doesn't that make you exactly the same? Give me all the "its not the same thing" arguments. But when it comes down to it, right down to it..it IS the same thing. And I don't understand it. Never have. I'm a lot older than most of you. Had friends who fought and died in the Vietnam war and continuing on.....and I've never agreed with any of it. Never will. I'm entitled to that opinion just as you are entitled to yours. Disagree. You're entitled. I thank goodness for our freedoms. And I know you all will say that in order to gain those freedoms we had to fight...and kill. You don't have to agree with me. That's the meaning of democracy.
I know I got off track. but ...there it is...bombs away...lemme have it. Doesn't change a thing.
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somebody lock this fuckin thread before more goddamn idiots living outside of the US try to tell us that celebrating the death of a symbol of evil is a bad thing. We know this war isnt over, we know that there are bigger things to get going towards, and i dont think anyone should expect to bring home any troops yet. but the people who dont live in this country can shut up now. you dont know anything about how this makes people feel who lost people they loved either in the 9/11 attacks or in the war. its more of a symbol then an advance in the war.
With respect, the US doesn't have monopoly on grief over the devastation caused by bin Laden. People of many different nationalities were killed on 9/11.
To those cheering his death: are you Christian? If I'm not mistaken, you are supposed to a) not murder (or celebrate murder) and b) love your enemy. So, are you following your own gospel or cheering with the rest of us heathens?
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I guess it was more to do with respecting the religion rather than the man himself.
It is a shame we didn't catch him alive though, who knows what kind of information we could have gotten from him that may have helped to catch more of his organization.
Do you think they really intended to bring him out alive?!?!
They said he resisted...no shit, Sherlock.
No, the order was to kill him not capture him, just seems a little strange since you are looking at the leader of a terrorist organization you are trying to shut down. Surely it would make much more sense to get intel from him and on the plus side you don't make him a martyr to his followers.
I guess it was more to do with respecting the religion rather than the man himself.
It is a shame we didn't catch him alive though, who knows what kind of information we could have gotten from him that may have helped to catch more of his organization.
Do you think they really intended to bring him out alive?!?!
They said he resisted...no shit, Sherlock.
No, the order was to kill him not capture him, just seems a little strange since you are looking at the leader of a terrorist organization you are trying to shut down. Surely it would make much more sense to get intel from him and on the plus side you don't make him a martyr to his followers.
To those cheering his death: are you Christian? If I'm not mistaken, you are supposed to a) not murder (or celebrate murder) and b) love your enemy. So, are you following your own gospel or cheering with the rest of us heathens?
Luckily Christianity seems pretty fluid in its beliefs. :roll:
like someone mentioned here already..cant't take the risk of him getting out of jail on some bullshit like the airplane bomber
he couldn't go into general population because he would be murdered
so jail for him would have been a peacful vacation for the rest of his life
fuck that
There is no way he would have been let out like that bomber. No way.
You say jail would have been a vacation I think he would have preffered death over jail in the US. For him and his organization it would have been the most demoralising and humiliating. But like I said, the information we could have gotten from him may have helped to save lives in the future, that alone means it was worth capturing him alive.
I DO know...or rather I do know who we were TOLD was responsible. Maybe responsibility lies there. It's been claimed. Do you recall that we were also told that it was the fault of Sadam? Yes.. I remember that well. Excuses for war. We are told a lot of things. I suppose 9-11 was proudly claimed by Bin Laden and his followers. That is not my point. I am very sorry that so many lives were lost. It is horrible. I cried my eyes out then. I still do. However, my convictions do not change with the circumstances. If they did, would they be convictions at all? I don't believe in an eye for an eye. I know half the world wanted him dead. I know its very personal and gut wrenching. I get that. I'm angry...we all are...and we should be. But I say if the elimination of another life were the solution, it were up to me, I couldn't do it. And I don't believe in it. What purpose does the killing of another person serve? Does it bring back our loved ones? It certainly does not. It may satisfy some urge for revenge, and that's it. That's all. I think he needed to be caught, imprisoned for life. Hard time. Yes. I think he should pay for his crimes. I just don't know how taking any other life justifies anything. I mean, isn't it the most contradictory thing a person can possibly ever do? How can you say...OH (and I'm not talking bin laden, I'm talking anyone) that person has killed a person..so I will now kill them. Doesn't that make you exactly the same? Give me all the "its not the same thing" arguments. But when it comes down to it, right down to it..it IS the same thing. And I don't understand it. Never have. I'm a lot older than most of you. Had friends who fought and died in the Vietnam war and continuing on.....and I've never agreed with any of it. Never will. I'm entitled to that opinion just as you are entitled to yours. Disagree. You're entitled. I thank goodness for our freedoms. And I know you all will say that in order to gain those freedoms we had to fight...and kill. You don't have to agree with me. That's the meaning of democracy.
I know I got off track. but ...there it is...bombs away...lemme have it. Doesn't change a thing.
I have no problem with your opinion, but I think you're missing one point: They couldn't have arrested him and taken him prisoner because he resisted. One guy there used a woman as a human shield, for God's sake. Killing him was the only option.
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To those cheering his death: are you Christian? If I'm not mistaken, you are supposed to a) not murder (or celebrate murder) and b) love your enemy. So, are you following your own gospel or cheering with the rest of us heathens?
Luckily Christianity seems pretty fluid in its beliefs. :roll:
Remember Bush said God told him to invade Iraq. Christian? I don't think so.
To those cheering his death: are you Christian? If I'm not mistaken, you are supposed to a) not murder (or celebrate murder) and b) love your enemy. So, are you following your own gospel or cheering with the rest of us heathens?
Luckily Christianity seems pretty fluid in its beliefs. :roll:
Remember Bush said God told him to invade Iraq. Christian? I don't think so.
The crimes committed in the name of religion are appalling. Truly.
Yes Bush certainly was a shining example of Christianity.
I just have to say something to the comments about Bin Laden having been buried at sea according to Muslim tradition of immediate burial. That may be the case, but I saw some of the talking heads on CNN this morning (I wish I'd remembered who this particular person was, I believe some sort of a diplomat, of Islamic descent) who was saying that he was told by some other officials, you know, down the lane, of the US military or govt that the actual reason that the burial at sea took place was that the U.S. wanted to avoid the possibility of Bin Laden's burial site becoming some sort of a shrine to his life and beliefs...and so on. Think whichever you want. I wish that the first was true..but you know...doubts creep in.
I tried finding a video of it, but failed. Maybe if you search long enough on CNN you can see the actual remark..there a a thousand op eds on it, but couldn't' find the actual remarks.
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Hmm...I'm sure this won't be understood but I feel I need to write it down. I come in peace.
I find all of this cheering around Osama's death quite "funny". You are so happy as if the whole evil on this planet has been forever banished- instead it is your politics who is spreading it. Are you blinded by your internal and international politics and media...or maybe just in denial ?(it is much to handle...)
......
Peace.
Being that you are from Slovenia, you must have family members that suffered during the Nazi occupation and communist takeovers in the last 60+ years. Were their no figureheads of evil whose deaths were not cheered by your countrymen for the atrocities they committed??? I know my Slovenian uncle who spent his childhood in a concentration camp while the Nazis tried to convert his family into German citizens feels otherwise.
No, the order was to kill him not capture him, just seems a little strange since you are looking at the leader of a terrorist organization you are trying to shut down. Surely it would make much more sense to get intel from him and on the plus side you don't make him a martyr to his followers.
no way to keep him alive..they didnt want to open his mouth..where he was hiding,who help him,who train him,who give him money
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Damn, what a great post.
As I said in the other thread, we are glad he is dead because now there is no chance that some misguided judge or commission or "person-in-charge-of-something" will ever release him, such as the ridiculous events with the TWA bomber being released from Scotland to a hero's welcome home in Libya because he was "sick."
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Not today. Its to sensative for to many people for a post lime that today. Give us some time please
jail was not an option...that was to good for him
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am i happy? hell yeah - he got what every shit head criminal deserves! was it a symbolic victory more than anything? obviously.
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guess we have to walk a fine line to avoid retaliation though
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Probably the right thing to do. I guess.
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I can relate to the european side of things
I can relate to the american side of things
both good arguments
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^^^this is why I am not 'celebrating'...there are more forces of Osama's out there, they could have been told 'if I am captured, fight back'...who knows when, where or if. :?
and I also agree with SVRDhand13
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well my gf's uncles femur was handed to his wife ..that was respectful i guess :roll: :roll:
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's
Muammar Gaddafi
obviously you lost nobody....which is fine...but you would feel different if you did
I guess it was more to do with respecting the religion rather than the man himself.
It is a shame we didn't catch him alive though, who knows what kind of information we could have gotten from him that may have helped to catch more of his organization.
Do you think they really intended to bring him out alive?!?!
They said he resisted...no shit, Sherlock.
I DO know...or rather I do know who we were TOLD was responsible. Maybe responsibility lies there. It's been claimed. Do you recall that we were also told that it was the fault of Sadam? Yes.. I remember that well. Excuses for war. We are told a lot of things. I suppose 9-11 was proudly claimed by Bin Laden and his followers. That is not my point. I am very sorry that so many lives were lost. It is horrible. I cried my eyes out then. I still do. However, my convictions do not change with the circumstances. If they did, would they be convictions at all? I don't believe in an eye for an eye. I know half the world wanted him dead. I know its very personal and gut wrenching. I get that. I'm angry...we all are...and we should be. But I say if the elimination of another life were the solution, it were up to me, I couldn't do it. And I don't believe in it. What purpose does the killing of another person serve? Does it bring back our loved ones? It certainly does not. It may satisfy some urge for revenge, and that's it. That's all. I think he needed to be caught, imprisoned for life. Hard time. Yes. I think he should pay for his crimes. I just don't know how taking any other life justifies anything. I mean, isn't it the most contradictory thing a person can possibly ever do? How can you say...OH (and I'm not talking bin laden, I'm talking anyone) that person has killed a person..so I will now kill them. Doesn't that make you exactly the same? Give me all the "its not the same thing" arguments. But when it comes down to it, right down to it..it IS the same thing. And I don't understand it. Never have. I'm a lot older than most of you. Had friends who fought and died in the Vietnam war and continuing on.....and I've never agreed with any of it. Never will. I'm entitled to that opinion just as you are entitled to yours. Disagree. You're entitled. I thank goodness for our freedoms. And I know you all will say that in order to gain those freedoms we had to fight...and kill. You don't have to agree with me. That's the meaning of democracy.
I know I got off track. but ...there it is...bombs away...lemme have it. Doesn't change a thing.
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With respect, the US doesn't have monopoly on grief over the devastation caused by bin Laden. People of many different nationalities were killed on 9/11.
nowadays hits you when you're young
he couldn't go into general population because he would be murdered
so jail for him would have been a peacful vacation for the rest of his life
fuck that
No, the order was to kill him not capture him, just seems a little strange since you are looking at the leader of a terrorist organization you are trying to shut down. Surely it would make much more sense to get intel from him and on the plus side you don't make him a martyr to his followers.
Very wise.
Luckily Christianity seems pretty fluid in its beliefs. :roll:
There is no way he would have been let out like that bomber. No way.
You say jail would have been a vacation I think he would have preffered death over jail in the US. For him and his organization it would have been the most demoralising and humiliating. But like I said, the information we could have gotten from him may have helped to save lives in the future, that alone means it was worth capturing him alive.
I have no problem with your opinion, but I think you're missing one point: They couldn't have arrested him and taken him prisoner because he resisted. One guy there used a woman as a human shield, for God's sake. Killing him was the only option.
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Remember Bush said God told him to invade Iraq. Christian? I don't think so.
The crimes committed in the name of religion are appalling. Truly.
Yes Bush certainly was a shining example of Christianity.
I tried finding a video of it, but failed. Maybe if you search long enough on CNN you can see the actual remark..there a a thousand op eds on it, but couldn't' find the actual remarks.
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