Cheering? Why? To Whom? What for? (On Osama)

Lizard

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Stereotype wrote:

I find all of this cheering around Osama's death quite "funny". You are so happy as if the whole evil on this planet has been forever banished

Nobody thinks this. It's just good to see a guy like him brought to justice. And why the heck is "funny" in quotes?

Yes.

StillHere

It may be the wrong forum yes...but a US citizen or not, it is the right message. And cheering for the death of any one person, no matter how evil they may seem to be...(go ahead, I'm immune to all that you will throw my way) is just NOT the way it should be. Hey, I don't profess to even coming close to understanding it and even mountains more away from agreeing with it..no way. But there it is. Killing any one person for his crimes IMO is perpetrating the evil therein...perpetually. Who are we? Who is mankind to decide the lives of others? Who gave any one person on this planet the right to take an eye for an eye, a hand for a hand, a life for a life. I can tell you, if it were up to me to push that button, squeeze that trigger, push that plunger, flip that switch, it wouldn't happen. But you all are right..wrong forum. Move this to AMT and it'll go on forever and ever.

AND i think it's been said before.....

Nothing's changed, but the surrounding bullshit... that has grown

JK18472

Some of those people may feel a little safer today, knowing that a man who targets them and is capable of carrying out a massive attack, is no longer a threat. Maybe that's why the were cheering. Maybe,,,,,

Ledbetterman10

StillHere wrote:

It may be the wrong forum yes...but a US citizen or not, it is the right message. And cheering for the death of any one person, no matter how evil they may seem to be...(go ahead, I'm immune to all that you will throw my way) is just NOT the way it should be. Hey, I don't profess to even coming close to understanding it and even mountains more away from agreeing with it..no way. But there it is. Killing any one person for his crimes IMO is perpetrating the evil therein...perpetually. Who are we? Who is mankind to decide the lives of others? Who gave any one person on this planet the right to take an eye for an eye, a hand for a hand, a life for a life. I can tell you, if it were up to me to push that button, squeeze that trigger, push that plunger, flip that switch, it wouldn't happen. But you all are right..wrong forum. Move this to AMT and it'll go on forever and ever.

So how would you like it done? Should the U.S. solider walk up to him and say "Excuse me Mr. Bin Laden. I have to place you under arrest for the 3,000 innocent people you murdered. Please don't struggle." Give me a fucking break. I'm as liberal as they come, but even I know when someone has to die.

neilybabes86

StillHere wrote:

It may be the wrong forum yes...but a US citizen or not, it is the right message. And cheering for the death of any one person, no matter how evil they may seem to be...(go ahead, I'm immune to all that you will throw my way) is just NOT the way it should be. Hey, I don't profess to even coming close to understanding it and even mountains more away from agreeing with it..no way. But there it is. Killing any one person for his crimes IMO is perpetrating the evil therein...perpetually. Who are we? Who is mankind to decide the lives of others? Who gave any one person on this planet the right to take an eye for an eye, a hand for a hand, a life for a life. I can tell you, if it were up to me to push that button, squeeze that trigger, push that plunger, flip that switch, it wouldn't happen. But you all are right..wrong forum. Move this to AMT and it'll go on forever and ever.

AND i think it's been said before.....

Nothing's changed, but the surrounding bullshit... that has grown

YOU DO REALIZE HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR AT LEAST 3,000 INNOCENT LIVES

tell that to my gf's 4 cousin's who lost their father when they were all 7 yrs old and younger

Green Circle

Stereotype wrote:

small town beck wrote:

You may want to post this on A Moving Train versus the AET.

Ah crap..my mistake. Maybe Kat or Sea can move it?

Yes of course I didn't mean to generalize but unfortunately I do not know the names of the people on TV - so I must use some common denominator - which is Americans. But still I feel the majority of the country is not critical. Would love to be proven wrong.

As much as I respect your message Stereotype, I do have to disagree with your response back to small town beck..your common denominator should NOT be "Americans" but SOME Americans.

and one more thing...I posted this on the other thread and it may or may not apply here but,

"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure." ~ Mark Twain

PEACE!

vduboise

Stereotype wrote:

Hmm...I'm sure this won't be understood but I feel I need to write it down. I come in peace.

I find all of this cheering around Osama's death quite "funny". You are so happy as if the whole evil on this planet has been forever banished- instead it is your politics who is spreading it. Are you blinded by your internal and international politics and media...or maybe just in denial ?(it is much to handle...)

Without USA there would be no Bin Laden.It is USA who is always financing wars around the world and molding dictators with their double-standards and greed for resources. As long as those puppets play their game they can kill their local people and do what they want, no problems with morals, nothing. Then if they revolt, USA goes and sells weapons and all that is necessary to their enemies. How many wars were there in the name of democracy and peace? It's sad. And then I see people on TV waving American flags and shouting. Really sad. I am of course not supporting terrorism or any violence, but these cheers are like a pervert theater, you are no different then them, full of hate. But their countries are more and more messy, and they've got nothing to lose. The consequence is not just terrorism but the reign of fear and instability everywhere. I think it would be much better if you would just stop interfering. A lot of blame for the status quo is also on the hands of the corporations. Instead of asking why they act the way they do - you throw bombs. This way, nothing is going to change, it is just going to be worse and worse. But you go and wave that American flag, eat a hamburger, drink some Coke, watch some soap opera or royal wedding or what ever keeps you from thinking too much and have a nice day in your marvelous country of freedom and success. Sorry for sarcasm, but I feel like Americans as a nation are really easy to lead and you lack a lot of self-criticism.

Peace.

You have a right to your opinion, but...

please don't think that a few people represent the whole country. I'm happy Osama is dead, but I'm not cheering- and a lot of people are not. When 9/11 happened and some of the people were cheering, did you think and feel the same way? did you come to the forum and tell of your disgust of what they were doing?

Don't think that its just the US that has financed wars around the world. There are a lot of other countries that have contributed to the state of what our world is at. Terrorism would exist whether the US is involved or not. Look at the middle east, where bombers kill their own people. Is that the US's fault?

I'm not saying that the US government hasn't done a lot of things that are questionable, but don't put the blame on just one country and say they are the evils of the world and they cause "all" the bad things to happen.

Cool Face Ryan

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Stereotype wrote:

I find all of this cheering around Osama's death quite "funny". You are so happy as if the whole evil on this planet has been forever banished- instead it is your politics who is spreading it. Are you blinded by your internal and international politics and media...or maybe just in denial ?(it is much to handle...)

Without USA there would be no Bin Laden.It is USA who is always financing wars around the world and molding dictators with their double-standards and greed for resources. As long as those puppets play their game they can kill their local people and do what they want, no problems with morals, nothing. Then if they revolt, USA goes and sells weapons and all that is necessary to their enemies. How many wars were there in the name of democracy and peace? It's sad. And then I see people on TV waving American flags and shouting. Really sad. I am of course not supporting terrorism or any violence, but these cheers are like a pervert theater, you are no different then them, full of hate. But their countries are more and more messy, and they've got nothing to lose. The consequence is not just terrorism but the reign of fear and instability everywhere. I think it would be much better if you would just stop interfering. A lot of blame for the status quo is also on the hands of the corporations. Instead of asking why they act the way they do - you throw bombs. This way, nothing is going to change, it is just going to be worse and worse. But you go and wave that American flag, eat a hamburger, drink some Coke, watch some soap opera or royal wedding or what ever keeps you from thinking too much and have a nice day in your marvelous country of freedom and success. Sorry for sarcasm, but I feel like Americans as a nation are really easy to lead and you lack a lot of self-criticism.

Peace.

There is so much wrong with your post.

1. We are blinded by politics and media? Where is your support? America is founded upon freedom of expression and ideas and many in this country do just that. We do not just accept what we hear. In fact, we do just the opposite.

2. USA Supporting Wars around the world? Every nation has made some mistakes on where our money goes, but the US has done its best to eliminate evil dictators the past few years. We do not go to war for fun.

3. Our Celebrations Are the Same As Theirs? They celebrate the death of innocent civilians and we celebrated the death of a maniac. We waited almost 10 years for this day and we have the right to celebrate. We all wish death was not necessary, but he took 3,000 of our people and he deserved to die. Throughout all of this everyone I know has remembered to stay respectful by realizing that not all Muslims are evil (in fact very very few are), remembering those who died on 9/11 and what all the families went through, and that we killing this one man will not end all our problems.

4. Your sarcasm is highly disrespectful. Why did you feel the need to say eat your hamburger and watch soap operas to keep from thinking too much? You are not better than an American just because you would not celebrate Bin Laden's death so stop acting like you are. Americans do not watch tv so that we do not have to think you imbecile- it is a form of relaxation. I am sure you have past times that are not the most intellectual kinds as well.

5. Your country has done nothing to stop global acts of terror.

Get of your high horse. I am embarrassed for you for posting this nonsense. But of course I am American so I accept the fact that it is your right to publish speech.

everything that was going through my mind, but didnt have the patience to write

small town beck

neilybabes86 wrote:

StillHere wrote:

It may be the wrong forum yes...but a US citizen or not, it is the right message. And cheering for the death of any one person, no matter how evil they may seem to be...(go ahead, I'm immune to all that you will throw my way) is just NOT the way it should be. Hey, I don't profess to even coming close to understanding it and even mountains more away from agreeing with it..no way. But there it is. Killing any one person for his crimes IMO is perpetrating the evil therein...perpetually. Who are we? Who is mankind to decide the lives of others? Who gave any one person on this planet the right to take an eye for an eye, a hand for a hand, a life for a life. I can tell you, if it were up to me to push that button, squeeze that trigger, push that plunger, flip that switch, it wouldn't happen. But you all are right..wrong forum. Move this to AMT and it'll go on forever and ever.

AND i think it's been said before.....

Nothing's changed, but the surrounding bullshit... that has grown

YOU DO REALIZE HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR AT LEAST 3,000 INNOCENT LIVES

tell that to my gf's 4 cousin's who lost their father when they were all 7 yrs old and younger

:(

He was the face of it. Sadly killing him, won't destroy others just like him. All killing bin Laden did was to ensure Obama another four years. I know I am not American, and I can't even begin to imagine having lost someone that day and I am truly sorry for all those who did. I do know though that that day changed the world. It changed the seemingly untouchable world of North America where things like that just don't happen. Bin Laden was evil but he was not the most evil man in the world, far from it. Thousands of other innocent lives were also lost in this whole war. Maybe though, they lived in countries where their lives didn't have the value that we have on our lives here.

FenwayFaithful

God Bless America

Johnny Abruzzo

pjhawks wrote:

i respect your right to express your viewpionts (can you do that in your country as free as you can in ours?)
Many criticize the US for getting involved in other countries issues, but many also criticize when we don't (darfur, etc.). It's a line we walk as powerful country. we are the world's big brother. Of course we make mistakes at times and do things that we shouldn't. but do you also give the US praise for it's efforts when tragedy strikes in other countries? We as a nation are the most generous in giving charity around the world.
for personal reasons i can say i am happy that we killed a man who was a mass murderer of innocent american's. may he rest if hell.

Damn, what a great post.

As I said in the other thread, we are glad he is dead because now there is no chance that some misguided judge or commission or "person-in-charge-of-something" will ever release him, such as the ridiculous events with the TWA bomber being released from Scotland to a hero's welcome home in Libya because he was "sick."

JK18472

Just curious. Have you ever felt the need to post something when other groups have massive celebrations in the streets when innocent people are brutaly murdered or beheaded? Ever have the urge to post when a group. Celebrates the murder of a 3 month old infant by cutting the throat, with handing out candy and sweets to children? Ever feel like those actions might need some of your attention?
Not today. Its to sensative for to many people for a post lime that today. Give us some time please

neilybabes86

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

i respect your right to express your viewpionts (can you do that in your country as free as you can in ours?)
Many criticize the US for getting involved in other countries issues, but many also criticize when we don't (darfur, etc.). It's a line we walk as powerful country. we are the world's big brother. Of course we make mistakes at times and do things that we shouldn't. but do you also give the US praise for it's efforts when tragedy strikes in other countries? We as a nation are the most generous in giving charity around the world.
for personal reasons i can say i am happy that we killed a man who was a mass murderer of innocent american's. may he rest if hell.

Damn, what a great post.

As I said in the other thread, we are glad he is dead because now there is no chance that some misguided judge or commission or "person-in-charge-of-something" will ever release him, such as the ridiculous events with the TWA bomber being released from Scotland to a hero's welcome home in Libya because he was "sick."

jail was not an option...that was to good for him

Cool Face Ryan

somebody lock this fuckin thread before more goddamn idiots living outside of the US try to tell us that celebrating the death of a symbol of evil is a bad thing. We know this war isnt over, we know that there are bigger things to get going towards, and i dont think anyone should expect to bring home any troops yet. but the people who dont live in this country can shut up now. you dont know anything about how this makes people feel who lost people they loved either in the 9/11 attacks or in the war. its more of a symbol then an advance in the war.

Kilgore_Trout

i thought it was hilarious when msnbc said people were singing "we are the champions" outside the white house last night... champions of what?? we are dumb

am i happy? hell yeah - he got what every shit head criminal deserves! was it a symbolic victory more than anything? obviously.

small town beck

manutd3581 wrote:

somebody lock this fuckin thread before more goddamn idiots living outside of the US try to tell us that celebrating the death of a symbol of evil is a bad thing. We know this war isnt over, we know that there are bigger things to get going towards, and i dont think anyone should expect to bring home any troops yet. but the people who dont live in this country can shut up now. you dont know anything about how this makes people feel who lost people they loved either in the 9/11 attacks or in the war. its more of a symbol then an advance in the war.

So I am an idiot? Thanks.

Kilgore_Trout

neilybabes86 wrote:

jail was not an option...that was to good for him

a respectful islamic burial was too good for him too... how many 9/11 victims were never given a proper burial according to their religious/personal beliefs... this ruined my buzz this morning

guess we have to walk a fine line to avoid retaliation though

Johnny Abruzzo

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

jail was not an option...that was to good for him

a respectful islamic burial was too good for him too... how many 9/11 victims were never given a proper burial according to their religious/personal beliefs... this ruined my buzz this morning

guess we have to walk a fine line to avoid retaliation though

Probably the right thing to do. I guess.

SomethingCreative

A bad man was brought to justice. That is a good thing.

brother123

Im divided

I can relate to the european side of things

I can relate to the american side of things

both good arguments


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