Without proof that he was just killed, it's really difficult to believe. Especially with the whole "sea burial"... Sounds like a cover up...
I might be wrong about this but I do know that many of the Muslim faith believe that i dead body must be buried in 1 day. Maybe someone here can confirm or deny that.
If it is true things become more difficult. what do you do? do you follow that believe or don't so that you can show more proof.
I believe this to be true. I would have rather we dug a hole in the ground so no one would find him. If he get's a proper burial it becomes a holy site for his believers, which I will take a burial at sea over. Sooo, shallow grave never to be found > burial at sea > leaving body to be buried on its own
Without proof that he was just killed, it's really difficult to believe. Especially with the whole "sea burial"... Sounds like a cover up...
I might be wrong about this but I do know that many of the Muslim faith believe that i dead body must be buried in 1 day. Maybe someone here can confirm or deny that.
If it is true things become more difficult. what do you do? do you follow that believe or don't so that you can show more proof.
I saw somewhere on cnn, I think, that it actually happened like a week ago and they have done DNA testing to make sure before they 'buried' him. ??
osamas plan was to kill 1 million men women and children, I wonder if all the damage he did to the US and having to live like a roadent from cave to cave or house to house was worth it ? after running and hiding for over 10 years with a $25 million price tag on his head making his life day to day a fight for survivle and being able to trust only a few people to know where he was had to be tough and now he's dead.
Godfather.
Forgive me in advance Godfather because my intention is not to be a prick
BUT
His (Osama's) plan, which you, a man from the united states with an interest in FOX news, knows that the 'plan' was to kill 1 million Americans. A total sum divided up between men, women & children. C'mon man. Was he going to stop after he reached his amazing mark of one million ? A ridiculous train of thought. No offense
I bet if you were to sit down with Osama (in another life now) he would not agree with you that he had been living like a rodent.
We live like rodents Godfather. Look around!
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623. * If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.
I wonder if 'they' chummed the water first. Some 19 year old U.S. soldiers are game for a little chummin', would you think ?
Imagine they baited him and actually fished with his body parts off the side of a vessel. It wouldn't surprise me.
*I could run with this but I better stop here*
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osamas plan was to kill 1 million men women and children, I wonder if all the damage he did to the US and having to live like a roadent from cave to cave or house to house was worth it ? after running and hiding for over 10 years with a $25 million price tag on his head making his life day to day a fight for survivle and being able to trust only a few people to know where he was had to be tough and now he's dead.
osamas plan was to kill 1 million men women and children, I wonder if all the damage he did to the US and having to live like a roadent from cave to cave or house to house was worth it ? after running and hiding for over 10 years with a $25 million price tag on his head making his life day to day a fight for survivle and being able to trust only a few people to know where he was had to be tough and now he's dead.
Godfather.
sorry Godfather but i think osama couldnt kill 1 million people,but he did something more important...
to make feel people fear,especially the west world,,to feel fear that they are helpless at their own home..
thats how we all felt when we saw the attack the the towers :( ..fear..
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osamas plan was to kill 1 million men women and children, I wonder if all the damage he did to the US and having to live like a roadent from cave to cave or house to house was worth it ? after running and hiding for over 10 years with a $25 million price tag on his head making his life day to day a fight for survivle and being able to trust only a few people to know where he was had to be tough and now he's dead.
Godfather.
He was living in a mansion in the suburbs.
I'm trying to comprehend that today actually and I find myself laughing as I shake my head.
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2022: Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto 2023: Chicago X2 2024: New York X2
Without proof that he was just killed, it's really difficult to believe. Especially with the whole "sea burial"... Sounds like a cover up...
I might be wrong about this but I do know that many of the Muslim faith believe that i dead body must be buried in 1 day. Maybe someone here can confirm or deny that.
If it is true things become more difficult. what do you do? do you follow that believe or don't so that you can show more proof.
I saw somewhere on cnn, I think, that it actually happened like a week ago and they have done DNA testing to make sure before they 'buried' him. ??
A week ago? And I did read something about linking DNA to a sister who died of cancer, but it's still in testing phases. How long does it take to get a DNA report?
Another thing... why did they choose to kill him rather than wound him in order to capture him? That would seem more feasible AND believable...
Without proof that he was just killed, it's really difficult to believe. Especially with the whole "sea burial"... Sounds like a cover up...
I might be wrong about this but I do know that many of the Muslim faith believe that i dead body must be buried in 1 day. Maybe someone here can confirm or deny that.
If it is true things become more difficult. what do you do? do you follow that believe or don't so that you can show more proof.
this whole "buried at sea" because he's a muslim stuff is really dodgy
i'm a muslim but that doesn't mean i have to go be buried at sea
it's preferred that you are prepared for burial by a family member (which was out of the question here) and washed, wrapped in a cloth and then buried, as soon as possible after death
It is preferred for a Muslim to be buried where he or she died, and not be transported to another location or country (which may cause delays or require embalming the body).
it's preferred that you're buried on land too, except in circumstances when you cannot get to land. then you are buried deep in the sea - to prevent any sea animals digging your body up.
i'm not the most knowledgeable and there will probably be stuff that i don't know but still..to say that he needs to be buried at sea because of his faith isn't accurate. at all.
after letting what happened sink in, and then reading lots of stuff, watching the news - i am worried, definitely, for the future, for revenge attacks from those members of Al-Qaeda that are still left.
Celebrating death is ignorant and while I completely understand and share in the feeling of relief that many Americans feel, we all know that this is NOT the end of terrorism. And it is probably the start of something new- i really fear more attacks on the west from angered and revenge seeking jihadists and such
I don't know if it's right for us to celebrate the killing of someone, to justify the killings of others? I suppose yes because what he did was much more but was a trial out of the question? Was it impossible to capture him and then see from there?
The world is a place full of suffering, death and sorrow already.
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A week ago? And I did read about linking DNA to a sister who died of cancer, but it's still in testing phases. How long does it take to get a DNA report?
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I'm not really sure, but not nearly as long as it used to. I would think they could probably get it back in a week considering the priority this probably has. Again, I didn't read the whole thing, but that was a headline comment on the story when I briefly glanced at cnn. Also, I think he was killed in a fire fight, so capturing him was out I guess.
A week ago? And I did read something about linking DNA to a sister who died of cancer, but it's still in testing phases. How long does it take to get a DNA report?
Another thing... why did they choose to kill him rather than wound him in order to capture him? That would seem more feasible AND believable...[/quote]
I have a feeling that if your the American government who just got the guy who took down the towers you can get a DNA test pretty fast.
as for the killing him rather than capturing him, i think we have wait for more info. i have never been in a war but many people i know have been and they say that sometimes capturing a person is not possible.
A week ago? And I did read something about linking DNA to a sister who died of cancer, but it's still in testing phases. How long does it take to get a DNA report?
Another thing... why did they choose to kill him rather than wound him in order to capture him? That would seem more feasible AND believable...
From all I've read and heard it all happened in one day, he was killed the same day Obama made the announcement.
And I don't think they chose to kill him. I highly doubt Osama would ever let that happen, he was gonna go down fighting no matter what. The was said to be a 45 minute gun battle.
A week ago? And I did read something about linking DNA to a sister who died of cancer, but it's still in testing phases. How long does it take to get a DNA report?
Another thing... why did they choose to kill him rather than wound him in order to capture him? That would seem more feasible AND believable...
From all I've read and heard it all happened in one day, he was killed the same day Obama made the announcement.
And I don't think they chose to kill him. I highly doubt Osama would ever let that happen, he was gonna go down fighting no matter what. The was said to be a 45 minute gun battle.
this whole "buried at sea" because he's a muslim stuff is really dodgy
i'm a muslim but that doesn't mean i have to go be buried at sea
it's preferred that you are prepared for burial by a family member (which was out of the question here) and washed, wrapped in a cloth and then buried, as soon as possible after death
It is preferred for a Muslim to be buried where he or she died, and not be transported to another location or country (which may cause delays or require embalming the body).
it's preferred that you're buried on land too, except in circumstances when you cannot get to land. then you are buried deep in the sea - to prevent any sea animals digging your body up.
i'm not the most knowledgeable and there will probably be stuff that i don't know but still..to say that he needs to be buried at sea because of his faith isn't accurate. at all.
Everything I've heard as to the burial at sea is not because of religion but because they didn't want him buried in a place that would become a terrorist shrine. Apparently the body was offered to the Saudis but they didn't want it. So the best place was the sea.
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I'm not surprised our guys were not hurt, they are the best, Navy SEALS.
I've also heard reports that he was given a chance to surrender but chose to fight it out. There is footage of the assault. Now the immediate burial at sea, I don't think he is. I'm guessing he is really on ice somewhere. It smells fishy, plus the torching of the compound? Wouldn't they go over that place with a fine toothed comb for weeks to extract info/intel first?
I wasn't questioning if he was buried at sea. I totally understand why it happened.
I think the "yeah right" is what is crazy. We will get the proof. No doubt about it.
The only one turning things political is you.
I personally would put his head on a stake and display it in the Smithsonian.
What??? Are you fucking high?
(and if I had my way, we would do that too)
Spewing conspiracy and political bullshit is what you said. So it's ok for EVERYONE else here to question the circumstances of this but when I do I'm playing politics? Funny.
Yeah...we're not getting the whole story. Bits and pieces, fragments. Weird. It actually kind of makes sense if it was a week ago, and they wanted to do testing...and then, now, they announce it after all that's done to make it appear as though the sea thing was within one day. Nobody really knows wth is going on other than he's supposedly dead. Par for the course.
Yeah...we're not getting the whole story. Bits and pieces, fragments. Weird.
Well it's all still pretty fresh, and broke pretty late at night in America. I'm pretty sure all of the facts and details will come out in the next few days. Obviuosly the American government know they are gonna have to prove it is him not only to their citizens but the whole world. And I'm sure they have enough evidence to prove this if the body has already been disposed of.
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I believe this to be true. I would have rather we dug a hole in the ground so no one would find him. If he get's a proper burial it becomes a holy site for his believers, which I will take a burial at sea over. Sooo, shallow grave never to be found > burial at sea > leaving body to be buried on its own
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
he said something about throwing him out of a chopper over the ocean though
I'm pretty sure it also said none of our men were injured in a 45 minute gun battle :?
that sounded unbelievable to me
Forgive me in advance Godfather because my intention is not to be a prick
BUT
His (Osama's) plan, which you, a man from the united states with an interest in FOX news, knows that the 'plan' was to kill 1 million Americans. A total sum divided up between men, women & children. C'mon man. Was he going to stop after he reached his amazing mark of one million ? A ridiculous train of thought. No offense
I bet if you were to sit down with Osama (in another life now) he would not agree with you that he had been living like a rodent.
We live like rodents Godfather. Look around!
... All done ...
1998: Barrie
2000: Montreal, Toronto, Auburn Hills
2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal
2004: Boston X2, Grand Rapids
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto X2
2009: Toronto
2011: PJ20, Montreal, Toronto X2, Hamilton
2012: Manchester X2, Amsterdam X2, Prague, Berlin X2, Philadelphia, Missoula
2013: Pittsburg, Buffalo
2014: Milan, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin, Stockholm, Oslo, Detroit
2016: Ottawa, Toronto X2
2018: Padova, Rome, Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Barcelona
2023: Chicago X2
2024: New York X2
We will slowly die like rats (when talking about tough economic conditions).
623. * If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.
I wonder if 'they' chummed the water first. Some 19 year old U.S. soldiers are game for a little chummin', would you think ?
Imagine they baited him and actually fished with his body parts off the side of a vessel. It wouldn't surprise me.
*I could run with this but I better stop here*
1998: Barrie
2000: Montreal, Toronto, Auburn Hills
2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal
2004: Boston X2, Grand Rapids
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto X2
2009: Toronto
2011: PJ20, Montreal, Toronto X2, Hamilton
2012: Manchester X2, Amsterdam X2, Prague, Berlin X2, Philadelphia, Missoula
2013: Pittsburg, Buffalo
2014: Milan, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin, Stockholm, Oslo, Detroit
2016: Ottawa, Toronto X2
2018: Padova, Rome, Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Barcelona
2023: Chicago X2
2024: New York X2
He was living in a mansion in the suburbs.
to make feel people fear,especially the west world,,to feel fear that they are helpless at their own home..
thats how we all felt when we saw the attack the the towers :( ..fear..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I'm trying to comprehend that today actually and I find myself laughing as I shake my head.
1998: Barrie
2000: Montreal, Toronto, Auburn Hills
2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal
2004: Boston X2, Grand Rapids
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto X2
2009: Toronto
2011: PJ20, Montreal, Toronto X2, Hamilton
2012: Manchester X2, Amsterdam X2, Prague, Berlin X2, Philadelphia, Missoula
2013: Pittsburg, Buffalo
2014: Milan, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin, Stockholm, Oslo, Detroit
2016: Ottawa, Toronto X2
2018: Padova, Rome, Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Barcelona
2023: Chicago X2
2024: New York X2
A week ago? And I did read something about linking DNA to a sister who died of cancer, but it's still in testing phases. How long does it take to get a DNA report?
Another thing... why did they choose to kill him rather than wound him in order to capture him? That would seem more feasible AND believable...
this whole "buried at sea" because he's a muslim stuff is really dodgy
i'm a muslim but that doesn't mean i have to go be buried at sea
it's preferred that you are prepared for burial by a family member (which was out of the question here) and washed, wrapped in a cloth and then buried, as soon as possible after death it's preferred that you're buried on land too, except in circumstances when you cannot get to land. then you are buried deep in the sea - to prevent any sea animals digging your body up.
i'm not the most knowledgeable and there will probably be stuff that i don't know but still..to say that he needs to be buried at sea because of his faith isn't accurate. at all.
after letting what happened sink in, and then reading lots of stuff, watching the news - i am worried, definitely, for the future, for revenge attacks from those members of Al-Qaeda that are still left.
Celebrating death is ignorant and while I completely understand and share in the feeling of relief that many Americans feel, we all know that this is NOT the end of terrorism. And it is probably the start of something new- i really fear more attacks on the west from angered and revenge seeking jihadists and such
I don't know if it's right for us to celebrate the killing of someone, to justify the killings of others? I suppose yes because what he did was much more but was a trial out of the question? Was it impossible to capture him and then see from there?
The world is a place full of suffering, death and sorrow already.
The only one turning things political is you.
I personally would put his head on a stake and display it in the Smithsonian.
I'm not really sure, but not nearly as long as it used to. I would think they could probably get it back in a week considering the priority this probably has. Again, I didn't read the whole thing, but that was a headline comment on the story when I briefly glanced at cnn. Also, I think he was killed in a fire fight, so capturing him was out I guess.
Another thing... why did they choose to kill him rather than wound him in order to capture him? That would seem more feasible AND believable...[/quote]
I have a feeling that if your the American government who just got the guy who took down the towers you can get a DNA test pretty fast.
as for the killing him rather than capturing him, i think we have wait for more info. i have never been in a war but many people i know have been and they say that sometimes capturing a person is not possible.
From all I've read and heard it all happened in one day, he was killed the same day Obama made the announcement.
And I don't think they chose to kill him. I highly doubt Osama would ever let that happen, he was gonna go down fighting no matter what. The was said to be a 45 minute gun battle.
What??? Are you fucking high?
(and if I had my way, we would do that too)
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
-The sea burial
-No proof
-No capture
-No Americans injured in this so-called incident
-They torched the compound
I could go on.
I just think it's very important that we QUESTION everything we hear from the U.S. government and not just blindly believe everything we hear.
Everything I've heard as to the burial at sea is not because of religion but because they didn't want him buried in a place that would become a terrorist shrine. Apparently the body was offered to the Saudis but they didn't want it. So the best place was the sea.
I've also heard reports that he was given a chance to surrender but chose to fight it out. There is footage of the assault. Now the immediate burial at sea, I don't think he is. I'm guessing he is really on ice somewhere. It smells fishy, plus the torching of the compound? Wouldn't they go over that place with a fine toothed comb for weeks to extract info/intel first?
Spewing conspiracy and political bullshit is what you said. So it's ok for EVERYONE else here to question the circumstances of this but when I do I'm playing politics? Funny.
Exactly. Another good question. Why would they torch unless they wanted to get rid of evidence...
This says he was buried within a day of his death according to Muslim tradition:
http://www.news.com.au/world/osama-bin- ... 6048335673
We (you and I) really should stop spewing conspiracy and political bullshit until the details come out. :P
I'm not spewing anything but questions that we should be asking, and rightfully so.
Well it's all still pretty fresh, and broke pretty late at night in America. I'm pretty sure all of the facts and details will come out in the next few days. Obviuosly the American government know they are gonna have to prove it is him not only to their citizens but the whole world. And I'm sure they have enough evidence to prove this if the body has already been disposed of.
Um, that was my point. My sarcasm must not have shown itself.