I don't see what we got to loose...I really don't...the liberals and conservatives have been running the show forever and it seems that the only people who really benefit are the people who don't need the help and the folks who could use a hand or a pick me up in life continually get screwed.
Not sure I agree entirely with his analysis but I definitely cringed when Layton used the phrase 'winning conditions'. At the risk of sounding over-dramatic perhaps this is what we have to lose?
That's one area I don't pay much attention to...I doubt Quebec will ever separate...Wish I could comment more...just no very informed on that subject.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I don't see what we got to loose...I really don't...the liberals and conservatives have been running the show forever and it seems that the only people who really benefit are the people who don't need the help and the folks who could use a hand or a pick me up in life continually get screwed.
I'll give an example...I know this couple who have young kids making good wages and was receiving the 100 *2 a month from the Harper childcare money, they needed the money like I needed another hole in the head...now tell me how that helps the single mother or father who has to get childcare in order to work. Harper is using tax $$$$ to buy votes...stuff like childcare should go to people who can't afford it
I am on the fence with the Universal Child Tax Benefit, as obviously now with my son we benefit with a $100 cheque/month until he turns 6. Do I think we need the money, no I do not. However at least it is something to famailies that does not prejudice based upon any sort of income, wage, race, etc.
BUT I can see how some well off people do not need it and people could not use the money on their child, just as I think a lot of people do not deserve EI because they are either lazy (and yes there are people like that, not as many as some right leaning people will say but they exist) or people taking advantage of our disability programs (which I of have heard a lot of). Actually pisses me right off seeing people abuse a system that is there to help us if we fall, but I would never advocate cutting the net which would allow more real honest people to suffer than fraudulent claims.
At least with the UCB it actually helps the family, is it vote buying, maybe but what isn't vote buying? A $100/month is not going to keep you at home to raise a child and the price of childcare is very high (which it should be for qualified people)
The Liberals promise post secondary education breaks (vote buying I guess), the NDP will offer small business tax breaks (vote-buying). Everything is vote buying that is a simple fact, that is what elections produce. The only thing you wait on is if they keep their word.
I guess I would like to see the people who could really use the help get the help...I think we have a great country, but unfortunately many people are getting left behind.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
agree...up until I saw Layton on global I might have chosen that option...now I mark an X for my NDP candidate...we need to try something different.
really ... this latest surge is all because of the negative attack ads the cons and libs are running ... a lot of people see right through that ...
i wasn't sure what you were referring to so i went to the global site and saw the interview he did with one of the anchors ... she came at him pretty good and he stayed pretty calm and firm ... he definitely has shown an uncanny ability to be passionate and reserved when needed ...
we shall see monday night i suppose ... anything but a harper majority ...
That was the one I was referring...he handled the interview well...imo...he's talking about the issue's...that in itself is what need.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
That was the one I was referring...he handled the interview well...imo...he's talking about the issue's...that in itself is what need.
his counter-attack of ... i will attack unemployment and the working class, i will attack the child care issue, etc ... is pretty brilliant ... not launching negative attack ads has proven to be in his benefit for sure ...
in case anyone needs reminding ... from the star ...
• Harper is the first prime minister in our history to have been found in contempt of Parliament, to have failed to get Canada elected to the UN Security Council, and to have been our most profligate PM ever (record $40 billion deficit and a record $519 billion debt).
• He has broken a string of promises. He flip-flopped on Afghanistan. He decried the appointed Senate but made a record number of appointments to it and had it overturn the will of the elected Commons. He deplored patronage but stuffed federal bodies with partisans. He passed the Federal Accountability Act, only to squash disclosure and transparency. He opposed taxing income tax trusts, only to tax them. He passed a law on fixed election dates, only to break it.
• He has been an autocratic leader given to compulsive control (meddling in every aspect of the administration, from cabinet to the civil service and independent agencies), excessive secrecy (to the point of rendering Canada’s excellent diplomats mute), vindictive rule (firing a dozen senior mandarins and cutting off funding to 25 groups for not toeing the line).
• He used the treasury for partisan purposes, funnelling funds into ridings and groups to help his party.
• He defended ministers who tampered with documents, attacked federal judges and meddled in independent agencies.
I would rather choke on my own vomit then cheer for Vancouver.... .
In all seriousness I am an Oilers fan first and will never cheer for a rival. Yeah my team sucks right now (actually let me correct that, really sucks right now).
I also never buy into this cheer for Canada bull-shit, considering both the Hawks/Preds have more Canadians than the Canucks.
Anyway good luck to your team, hope you lose and you guys think of something even more lame to hang in your rafters next year...keep it going to 41!
Back to politics here is what I hope happens (that is realistic) that will cause a ripple in the parties:
- Conservative Minority Goverment with the NDP as official opposition and significantly weaker BQ party.
I believe this would force Harper to set down and bring forth a true moderate into the healm of the party and maybe get the "progressive" going again. The Liberals will obviously need to find a new leader as Ignatieff runs back to Harvard. Jack will stay on riding a sea of success by completing a monumental first not only for his party but in federal politics.
There is MIGHTY concern here in Calgary of any sort of government where Layton has some sort of influence because most think they will need new jobs in months following as Jack destroys the O&G industry (or other-wise known as NEP Part 2).
I also see the Globe & Mail has officially endorsed Stephen Harper.
I also see the Globe & Mail has officially endorsed Stephen Harper.
i read that endorsement ... which was nauseating ... they highlight the need to tackle climate change and then in the same article pick stephen harper ... and have the nerve to credit the state of canada's economy to him!?? ... the reality is that he has been kept moderate simply because he is in a minority situation ...
anyone who glosses over the points i posted above isn't truly interested in a democratic leader but in essence supporting a fascist ..
edit: read the comments below the endorsement ... :thumbup:
I also see the Globe & Mail has officially endorsed Stephen Harper.
i read that endorsement ... which was nauseating ... they highlight the need to tackle climate change and then in the same article pick stephen harper ... and have the nerve to credit the state of canada's economy to him!?? ... the reality is that he has been kept moderate simply because he is in a minority situation ...
anyone who glosses over the points i posted above isn't truly interested in a democratic leader but in essence supporting a fascist ..
edit: read the comments below the endorsement ... :thumbup:
That comments section is the exact opposite of what I read in regards to the NDP surge here in the Calgary media.
This is how I see it both groups are over-reacting and the reality of the situation of what will happen is in the middle.
Regardless this is going to be a Conservative minority and I hope leads to a change at their helm because a truely moderate Conservative leader which I think would be good.
Not all the CP members are awful people, I was watching Real Time a few months ago when ex CP MP Kim Campbell was on and there was a discussion in regards to the extension of tax cuts for the wealthy in the USA. When she had her time to speak she told a story of discussing this issue with Finace Minister Flaherty and he was just blown away that the government would do that, how he said that is the most moronic thing you could do especially given their economic situation. I actually like Flaherty for some reason, cannot explain it but he is not a nut-bar like the old Reformists from here in the west.
I still maintain the Conservatives here are no more than Democrats in the USA.
Not all the CP members are awful people, I was watching Real Time a few months ago when ex CP MP Kim Campbell was on and there was a discussion in regards to the extension of tax cuts for the wealthy in the USA. When she had her time to speak she told a story of discussing this issue with Finace Minister Flaherty and he was just blown away that the government would do that, how he said that is the most moronic thing you could do especially given their economic situation. I actually like Flaherty for some reason, cannot explain it but he is not a nut-bar like the old Reformists from here in the west.
I still maintain the Conservatives here are no more than Democrats in the USA.
flaherty is a crook ... he was key in the harris debacle here in ontario where they basically raped the province for all its worth for their friends ... which is what they are doing now ...
i don't actually think conservatives are awful people ... i just don't believe in their ideology which is very right wing ... in line with george w. bush ... their stance on israel is a key example ...
having said that - layton would be bad for the oil and gas industry in alberta ... they have definitely a right to be concerned ... but having said that - they are a big problem for canada and someone has to take them on as opposed to making it better for them ...
Not all the CP members are awful people, I was watching Real Time a few months ago when ex CP MP Kim Campbell was on and there was a discussion in regards to the extension of tax cuts for the wealthy in the USA. When she had her time to speak she told a story of discussing this issue with Finace Minister Flaherty and he was just blown away that the government would do that, how he said that is the most moronic thing you could do especially given their economic situation. I actually like Flaherty for some reason, cannot explain it but he is not a nut-bar like the old Reformists from here in the west.
I still maintain the Conservatives here are no more than Democrats in the USA.
flaherty is a crook ... he was key in the harris debacle here in ontario where they basically raped the province for all its worth for their friends ... which is what they are doing now ...
i don't actually think conservatives are awful people ... i just don't believe in their ideology which is very right wing ... in line with george w. bush ... their stance on israel is a key example ...
having said that - layton would be bad for the oil and gas industry in alberta ... they have definitely a right to be concerned ... but having said that - they are a big problem for canada and someone has to take them on as opposed to making it better for them ...
Unsure of what happened into regards to the Provincial politics in Ontario but from out west I can for sure state how the NDP were the biggest disgrace of a political party that represented Saskatchewan. They single handily closed down multiple urban/rural hospitals and it is still an issue today. Fighters of health care my ass (at least provincially).
The Saskatchewan Party (formely PC) has taken the province to new heights, great Conservative party as they are very moderate but econimically sound. My mom used to be a huge NDP fan until they stabbed the people in the back with all those hospital closures. The same party that still fear mongers the people that the privatization of liquor stores will be the end of everything. Yeah because paying fracking $40 for 12 beer after "board" hours is awesome, idiots.
Since my area is in O&G as an engineer that designs multi million dollar projects for the O&G sector (I do not work for a producer) it does kind of concern me but I doubt anything would kill the western economy like the NEP did, I think most concerns are fear mongering.
I hope my fellow country-men know the amount of money that is gained for use by them because of O&G out west (cough Quebec....cough). I kind of wish a similar deal that Newfoundland got in regards to natural resources fit here, I laugh at some Conservatives that bitch about equalization (as i Do but I am not Conservative) do not realize how Harper has promised removal of natural resources from the equalization calculation but has like many things lied about....shakes head at how complacent Alberta (especially southern) voters are.
it is pretty crazy to see the NDP at 30.4% ... i'm pretty sure if anyone said they would be polling that high - they would have laughed and said to whoever they were crazy ... :shock:
it is pretty crazy to see the NDP at 30.4% ... i'm pretty sure if anyone said they would be polling that high - they would have laughed and said to whoever they were crazy ... :shock:
Yeah I will agree with you on that one, that is some epic heights for the NDP.
Yeah I will agree with you on that one, that is some epic heights for the NDP.
and i suspect none of it is based on their policies ... just simply, they appear to be the most trustworthy party with at least some integrity ...
If my memory serves, that's at least part of why Ontario wound up with the Rae government in 1990, but correct me on that if need be. That didn't turn out so well, although it was by no means entirely Rae's fault.
If my memory serves, that's at least part of why Ontario wound up with the Rae government in 1990, but correct me on that if need be. That didn't turn out so well, although it was by no means entirely Rae's fault.
yeah ... pretty much ...
it didn't turn out so well mainly because he inherited a huge defecit from petersen (liberal) at the beginning of a recession ... it would have turned out pretty crap for anyone ...
I would rather choke on my own vomit then cheer for Vancouver.... .
In all seriousness I am an Oilers fan first and will never cheer for a rival. Yeah my team sucks right now (actually let me correct that, really sucks right now).
I also never buy into this cheer for Canada bull-shit, considering both the Hawks/Preds have more Canadians than the Canucks.
Anyway good luck to your team, hope you lose and you guys think of something even more lame to hang in your rafters next year...keep it going to 41!
I understand... I'm usually an ABC person too (when it comes to hockey AND politics) for me though its oil > flames, if they play each other. the predicament is calgary vs toronto... which team do i hate more?!?!
If my memory serves, that's at least part of why Ontario wound up with the Rae government in 1990, but correct me on that if need be. That didn't turn out so well, although it was by no means entirely Rae's fault.
yeah ... pretty much ...
it didn't turn out so well mainly because he inherited a huge defecit from petersen (liberal) at the beginning of a recession ... it would have turned out pretty crap for anyone ...
Absolutely, but you have to admit that Rae days were a less than useful economic policy
I would rather choke on my own vomit then cheer for Vancouver.... .
In all seriousness I am an Oilers fan first and will never cheer for a rival. Yeah my team sucks right now (actually let me correct that, really sucks right now).
I also never buy into this cheer for Canada bull-shit, considering both the Hawks/Preds have more Canadians than the Canucks.
Anyway good luck to your team, hope you lose and you guys think of something even more lame to hang in your rafters next year...keep it going to 41!
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I understand... I'm usually an ABC person too (when it comes to hockey AND politics) for me though its oil > flames, if they play each other. the predicament is calgary vs toronto... which team do i hate more?!?![/quote]
Easy you pick Toronto, I can not bring myself to cheer for the Flames.
Absolutely, but you have to admit that Rae days were a less than useful economic policy
it wasn't so much an economic policy as it was about saving money ... when you are straddled with a defecit and you are in a recession ... you have to find ways of managing the books ... i can see why people were pissed at rae for those rae days but he cut gov't spending ... so, the conservatives just cut programs altogether and no one cares but he tries to cut from the payroll and its his lasting legacy ...
If my memory serves, that's at least part of why Ontario wound up with the Rae government in 1990, but correct me on that if need be. That didn't turn out so well, although it was by no means entirely Rae's fault.
yeah ... pretty much ...
it didn't turn out so well mainly because he inherited a huge defecit from petersen (liberal) at the beginning of a recession ... it would have turned out pretty crap for anyone ...
Absolutely, but you have to admit that Rae days were a less than useful economic policy
I actually think it was a fair compromise at the time. They were hugely backed by Unions then, and ran on a platform of protecting the working man. At the same time they deficit was WAY bigger than Peterson told anyone prior to the election and we were at the beginning of an election - All of which was said by another poster I know. As much as people bitched and moaned about them at the time..at least they HAD THEIR JOBS! When Mike the Knife Harris got his first majority...he cut thousands of jobs expecially in the public sector - civil service. Hell both the Conservatives and the liberals ran on a platform saying flat out they were cutting a shitload of civil service jobs and people still voted for them. Their excuse after "well I didn't think it would be MY job!" Rae Days aren't looking so bad now huh?!?! was my feeling.
I'm kind of excited and scared about this election at the same time. I hope that this NDP surge translates into a lot of seats - esp at the conservatives expense! I'm scared that it won't though.
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Absolutely, but you have to admit that Rae days were a less than useful economic policy
I actually think it was a fair compromise at the time. They were hugely backed by Unions then, and ran on a platform of protecting the working man. At the same time they deficit was WAY bigger than Peterson told anyone prior to the election and we were at the beginning of an election - All of which was said by another poster I know. As much as people bitched and moaned about them at the time..at least they HAD THEIR JOBS! When Mike the Knife Harris got his first majority...he cut thousands of jobs expecially in the public sector - civil service. Hell both the Conservatives and the liberals ran on a platform saying flat out they were cutting a shitload of civil service jobs and people still voted for them. Their excuse after "well I didn't think it would be MY job!" Rae Days aren't looking so bad now huh?!?! was my feeling.
I'm kind of excited and scared about this election at the same time. I hope that this NDP surge translates into a lot of seats - esp at the conservatives expense! I'm scared that it won't though.
Sorry I meant that to be tongue-in-cheek; I can't argue the economics but it is a significant part of the Rae-NDP legacy in Ontario, fairly or otherwise. Assuming that unpaid days off aren't a deal breaker, to me it seems more likely that the NDP will take votes from the Liberals and Bloc, but will that be votes or actual seats? Could reduce Green support to near zero, as well.
it didn't turn out so well mainly because he inherited a huge defecit from petersen (liberal) at the beginning of a recession ... it would have turned out pretty crap for anyone ...
Absolutely, but you have to admit that Rae days were a less than useful economic policy
I actually think it was a fair compromise at the time. They were hugely backed by Unions then, and ran on a platform of protecting the working man. At the same time they deficit was WAY bigger than Peterson told anyone prior to the election and we were at the beginning of an election - All of which was said by another poster I know. As much as people bitched and moaned about them at the time..at least they HAD THEIR JOBS! When Mike the Knife Harris got his first majority...he cut thousands of jobs expecially in the public sector - civil service. Hell both the Conservatives and the liberals ran on a platform saying flat out they were cutting a shitload of civil service jobs and people still voted for them. Their excuse after "well I didn't think it would be MY job!" Rae Days aren't looking so bad now huh?!?! was my feeling.
I'm kind of excited and scared about this election at the same time. I hope that this NDP surge translates into a lot of seats - esp at the conservatives expense! I'm scared that it won't though.
There is way to many public servants today and there were way to many when Rae was premier...that being said...here locally the catholic school has issued 100 layoffs to librarians and secretaries because of declining enrolment...the only thing I agree about the union who is of course pissed is they want to know why in 2004 there was 6 administrators making 100 grand, now there is over 90 administrators making 100 grand...hum Dalton came to power about that time...there is no difference from 1 to other there all crooked...Rae tried to take care of the unions...Harris looked out for the business community...Dalton looking out for the high salaried government worker.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
This is why I don't vote in advance poles...usually something happens in the last week...
First off, I will state that I on't care who called the election and I don't care if their on vacation.
But all he had to say is the truth...he wants to be different, but he does what everybody else does...blames someone else...what a crock of shot
Like I've said their all corrupt bullshitters that couldn't take responsibility for anything...yet people run out to vote for corruption.
yeah ... that's weak for sure ...
having said that ... there are over 300 ridings and i'm pretty sure every party has candidates that are doing little or no campaigning whatsoever ... elections cost money and parties need to strategize as to how to spend that money ...
This is why I don't vote in advance poles...usually something happens in the last week...
First off, I will state that I on't care who called the election and I don't care if their on vacation.
But all he had to say is the truth...he wants to be different, but he does what everybody else does...blames someone else...what a crock of shot
Like I've said their all corrupt bullshitters that couldn't take responsibility for anything...yet people run out to vote for corruption.
yeah ... that's weak for sure ...
having said that ... there are over 300 ridings and i'm pretty sure every party has candidates that are doing little or no campaigning whatsoever ... elections cost money and parties need to strategize as to how to spend that money ...
I agree...but he wants to be seen a different...all he would have said is that they had vacations booked for some time...I think most Canadians would understand and appreciate that...to me if your going to beat around the truth on the little things, then what about the big things that will come up in government...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I agree...but he wants to be seen a different...all he would have said is that they had vacations booked for some time...I think most Canadians would understand and appreciate that...to me if your going to beat around the truth on the little things, then what about the big things that will come up in government...
i've read about 2 articles and watched a clip on it ... i think that's what he says but after a dozen or so questions he's basically looking for a diversion ... standard political procedure ...
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That's one area I don't pay much attention to...I doubt Quebec will ever separate...Wish I could comment more...just no very informed on that subject.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I guess I would like to see the people who could really use the help get the help...I think we have a great country, but unfortunately many people are getting left behind.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
That was the one I was referring...he handled the interview well...imo...he's talking about the issue's...that in itself is what need.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
his counter-attack of ... i will attack unemployment and the working class, i will attack the child care issue, etc ... is pretty brilliant ... not launching negative attack ads has proven to be in his benefit for sure ...
• Harper is the first prime minister in our history to have been found in contempt of Parliament, to have failed to get Canada elected to the UN Security Council, and to have been our most profligate PM ever (record $40 billion deficit and a record $519 billion debt).
• He has broken a string of promises. He flip-flopped on Afghanistan. He decried the appointed Senate but made a record number of appointments to it and had it overturn the will of the elected Commons. He deplored patronage but stuffed federal bodies with partisans. He passed the Federal Accountability Act, only to squash disclosure and transparency. He opposed taxing income tax trusts, only to tax them. He passed a law on fixed election dates, only to break it.
• He has been an autocratic leader given to compulsive control (meddling in every aspect of the administration, from cabinet to the civil service and independent agencies), excessive secrecy (to the point of rendering Canada’s excellent diplomats mute), vindictive rule (firing a dozen senior mandarins and cutting off funding to 25 groups for not toeing the line).
• He used the treasury for partisan purposes, funnelling funds into ridings and groups to help his party.
• He defended ministers who tampered with documents, attacked federal judges and meddled in independent agencies.
I would rather choke on my own vomit then cheer for Vancouver....
In all seriousness I am an Oilers fan first and will never cheer for a rival. Yeah my team sucks right now (actually let me correct that, really sucks right now).
I also never buy into this cheer for Canada bull-shit, considering both the Hawks/Preds have more Canadians than the Canucks.
Anyway good luck to your team, hope you lose and you guys think of something even more lame to hang in your rafters next year...keep it going to 41!
- Conservative Minority Goverment with the NDP as official opposition and significantly weaker BQ party.
I believe this would force Harper to set down and bring forth a true moderate into the healm of the party and maybe get the "progressive" going again. The Liberals will obviously need to find a new leader as Ignatieff runs back to Harvard. Jack will stay on riding a sea of success by completing a monumental first not only for his party but in federal politics.
There is MIGHTY concern here in Calgary of any sort of government where Layton has some sort of influence because most think they will need new jobs in months following as Jack destroys the O&G industry (or other-wise known as NEP Part 2).
I also see the Globe & Mail has officially endorsed Stephen Harper.
i read that endorsement ... which was nauseating ... they highlight the need to tackle climate change and then in the same article pick stephen harper ... and have the nerve to credit the state of canada's economy to him!?? ... the reality is that he has been kept moderate simply because he is in a minority situation ...
anyone who glosses over the points i posted above isn't truly interested in a democratic leader but in essence supporting a fascist ..
edit: read the comments below the endorsement ... :thumbup:
That comments section is the exact opposite of what I read in regards to the NDP surge here in the Calgary media.
This is how I see it both groups are over-reacting and the reality of the situation of what will happen is in the middle.
Regardless this is going to be a Conservative minority and I hope leads to a change at their helm because a truely moderate Conservative leader which I think would be good.
Not all the CP members are awful people, I was watching Real Time a few months ago when ex CP MP Kim Campbell was on and there was a discussion in regards to the extension of tax cuts for the wealthy in the USA. When she had her time to speak she told a story of discussing this issue with Finace Minister Flaherty and he was just blown away that the government would do that, how he said that is the most moronic thing you could do especially given their economic situation. I actually like Flaherty for some reason, cannot explain it but he is not a nut-bar like the old Reformists from here in the west.
I still maintain the Conservatives here are no more than Democrats in the USA.
flaherty is a crook ... he was key in the harris debacle here in ontario where they basically raped the province for all its worth for their friends ... which is what they are doing now ...
i don't actually think conservatives are awful people ... i just don't believe in their ideology which is very right wing ... in line with george w. bush ... their stance on israel is a key example ...
having said that - layton would be bad for the oil and gas industry in alberta ... they have definitely a right to be concerned ... but having said that - they are a big problem for canada and someone has to take them on as opposed to making it better for them ...
Unsure of what happened into regards to the Provincial politics in Ontario but from out west I can for sure state how the NDP were the biggest disgrace of a political party that represented Saskatchewan. They single handily closed down multiple urban/rural hospitals and it is still an issue today. Fighters of health care my ass (at least provincially).
The Saskatchewan Party (formely PC) has taken the province to new heights, great Conservative party as they are very moderate but econimically sound. My mom used to be a huge NDP fan until they stabbed the people in the back with all those hospital closures. The same party that still fear mongers the people that the privatization of liquor stores will be the end of everything. Yeah because paying fracking $40 for 12 beer after "board" hours is awesome, idiots.
Since my area is in O&G as an engineer that designs multi million dollar projects for the O&G sector (I do not work for a producer) it does kind of concern me but I doubt anything would kill the western economy like the NEP did, I think most concerns are fear mongering.
I hope my fellow country-men know the amount of money that is gained for use by them because of O&G out west (cough Quebec....cough). I kind of wish a similar deal that Newfoundland got in regards to natural resources fit here, I laugh at some Conservatives that bitch about equalization (as i Do but I am not Conservative) do not realize how Harper has promised removal of natural resources from the equalization calculation but has like many things lied about....shakes head at how complacent Alberta (especially southern) voters are.
CPC: 36.6%
NDP: 30.4%
LIB: 21.9%
BQ: 6.0%
GRN: 4.1%
Love seeing the BQ getting pounded the list.
anything but a harper majority ...
it is pretty crazy to see the NDP at 30.4% ... i'm pretty sure if anyone said they would be polling that high - they would have laughed and said to whoever they were crazy ... :shock:
Yeah I will agree with you on that one, that is some epic heights for the NDP.
and i suspect none of it is based on their policies ... just simply, they appear to be the most trustworthy party with at least some integrity ...
If my memory serves, that's at least part of why Ontario wound up with the Rae government in 1990, but correct me on that if need be. That didn't turn out so well, although it was by no means entirely Rae's fault.
yeah ... pretty much ...
it didn't turn out so well mainly because he inherited a huge defecit from petersen (liberal) at the beginning of a recession ... it would have turned out pretty crap for anyone ...
Absolutely, but you have to admit that Rae days were a less than useful economic policy
I would rather choke on my own vomit then cheer for Vancouver....
In all seriousness I am an Oilers fan first and will never cheer for a rival. Yeah my team sucks right now (actually let me correct that, really sucks right now).
I also never buy into this cheer for Canada bull-shit, considering both the Hawks/Preds have more Canadians than the Canucks.
Anyway good luck to your team, hope you lose and you guys think of something even more lame to hang in your rafters next year...keep it going to 41!
I understand... I'm usually an ABC person too (when it comes to hockey AND politics) for me though its oil > flames, if they play each other. the predicament is calgary vs toronto... which team do i hate more?!?![/quote]
Easy you pick Toronto, I can not bring myself to cheer for the Flames.
Canucks > Flames in my books.
it wasn't so much an economic policy as it was about saving money ... when you are straddled with a defecit and you are in a recession ... you have to find ways of managing the books ... i can see why people were pissed at rae for those rae days but he cut gov't spending ... so, the conservatives just cut programs altogether and no one cares but he tries to cut from the payroll and its his lasting legacy ...
just know that while you guys use energy to put a hate on ... us folks in toronto for the most part are cheering for you guys ...
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/ ... ub=Toronto
This is why I don't vote in advance poles...usually something happens in the last week...
First off, I will state that I on't care who called the election and I don't care if their on vacation.
But all he had to say is the truth...he wants to be different, but he does what everybody else does...blames someone else...what a crock of shot
Like I've said their all corrupt bullshitters that couldn't take responsibility for anything...yet people run out to vote for corruption.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I actually think it was a fair compromise at the time. They were hugely backed by Unions then, and ran on a platform of protecting the working man. At the same time they deficit was WAY bigger than Peterson told anyone prior to the election and we were at the beginning of an election - All of which was said by another poster I know. As much as people bitched and moaned about them at the time..at least they HAD THEIR JOBS! When Mike the Knife Harris got his first majority...he cut thousands of jobs expecially in the public sector - civil service. Hell both the Conservatives and the liberals ran on a platform saying flat out they were cutting a shitload of civil service jobs and people still voted for them. Their excuse after "well I didn't think it would be MY job!" Rae Days aren't looking so bad now huh?!?! was my feeling.
I'm kind of excited and scared about this election at the same time. I hope that this NDP surge translates into a lot of seats - esp at the conservatives expense! I'm scared that it won't though.
Sorry I meant that to be tongue-in-cheek; I can't argue the economics but it is a significant part of the Rae-NDP legacy in Ontario, fairly or otherwise. Assuming that unpaid days off aren't a deal breaker, to me it seems more likely that the NDP will take votes from the Liberals and Bloc, but will that be votes or actual seats? Could reduce Green support to near zero, as well.
There is way to many public servants today and there were way to many when Rae was premier...that being said...here locally the catholic school has issued 100 layoffs to librarians and secretaries because of declining enrolment...the only thing I agree about the union who is of course pissed is they want to know why in 2004 there was 6 administrators making 100 grand, now there is over 90 administrators making 100 grand...hum Dalton came to power about that time...there is no difference from 1 to other there all crooked...Rae tried to take care of the unions...Harris looked out for the business community...Dalton looking out for the high salaried government worker.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
yeah ... that's weak for sure ...
having said that ... there are over 300 ridings and i'm pretty sure every party has candidates that are doing little or no campaigning whatsoever ... elections cost money and parties need to strategize as to how to spend that money ...
I agree...but he wants to be seen a different...all he would have said is that they had vacations booked for some time...I think most Canadians would understand and appreciate that...to me if your going to beat around the truth on the little things, then what about the big things that will come up in government...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
i've read about 2 articles and watched a clip on it ... i think that's what he says but after a dozen or so questions he's basically looking for a diversion ... standard political procedure ...
... boils my blood
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