People seem to be a lot more friendly and caring elsewhere.
Hm.
Really?
Because so far this year, newly-elected Republicans have fallen all over themselves to pass bills which are designed to just be mean to gay families, take away the protections of women and children and the working poor, take away the pensions and safety nets of the elderly and just destroy anyone who isn't white, Christian and heterosexual.
Sorry if our clothes and cars here in LA upset you so much.
I'm not totally clear on this, but does a bill not have to signed by the president to become law?
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People seem to be a lot more friendly and caring elsewhere.
Hm.
Really?
Because so far this year, newly-elected Republicans have fallen all over themselves to pass bills which are designed to just be mean to gay families, take away the protections of women and children and the working poor, take away the pensions and safety nets of the elderly and just destroy anyone who isn't white, Christian and heterosexual.
Sorry if our clothes and cars here in LA upset you so much.
You count politicians as people? No wonder you are jaded. Democrats and Republicans care nothing about you or me. They only care about votes and staying in power.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
You count politicians as people? No wonder you are jaded. Democrats and Republicans care nothing about you or me. They only care about votes and staying in power.
And they do that by passing bills that hurt someone OTHER than their target voter base. And the target voter base are people.
Cases in point... The Wisconsin bill is all about taking away people's collective bargaining rights... not about money, it's about just going after "liberals."
Little-known fact is that the new Wisconsin budget bill also removes employment protections for the LGBT community. Just how does making it legal to fire people JUST for being gay help the state budget? It doesn't... it hurts our community and pleases the tea baggers.
Montana also just passed a bill last week that makes it ILLEGAL to have any kind of protections for LGBT people. The Montana House Judiciary Committee has voted 13-7 to advance a bill that would kill Missoula's LGBT anti-discrimination ordinance and prevent local municipalities in the state from enacting similar ordinances. how does THAT help the budget or create jobs (unless you mean creating jobs for straight people by firing the gay ones)?
I'm not totally clear on this, but does a bill not have to signed by the president to become law?
Not if it's a state bill, no.
Just because you can't be thrown out of the army for being gay anymore doesn't mean you can't be fired, thrown out of your apartment, have your kids taken away, be stopped from being with your partner in the hospital...
You count politicians as people? No wonder you are jaded. Democrats and Republicans care nothing about you or me. They only care about votes and staying in power.
And for the record... maybe I'm "jaded" because my husband of nearly 20 years could be deported at any time since our REAL marriage isn't recognized down here, although the vanity marriages of Rush Limbaugh, Larry King and Britney Spears (most of which were performed while they were drunk) are iron-clad.
And for the record... maybe I'm "jaded" because my husband of nearly 20 years could be deported at any time since our REAL marriage isn't recognized down here, although the vanity marriages of Rush Limbaugh, Larry King and Britney Spears (most of which were performed while they were drunk) are iron-clad.
I'm very sorry, man.
"The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
The plan's supporters warned that rising pension and health care costs probably will eat up all the spending allowed by the caps, forcing cuts in other areas of government.
add on to that the higest sales tax around.
property taxes that just keep going up.
corruption that just doesn't end. IL sucks, but if you give me $50K, i'll say something different.
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Thanx. I stand corrected. It went from 3 pennies per dollar to a whole nickel per dollar (instead of 4 1/2 pennies).
The point being, it is 2 pennies per dollar. Yes, it is 66%... but, it is still 2 pennies per dollar, because 66% of a nickel is 2 cents. That is the point I'm making. I'm not saying it is nothing, because that would be zero. I'm just pointing out the fact that the 66% (sounds gigantic) is actually 2 cents. 66% makes for much better headlines and Sean Hannity rants than 2 pennies would make.
If it were 66% of 9.25%... then, yeah, that's a big deal. It would mean a tax rate of 15%.
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Also, what is the State Sale Tax in Illinois? (is this information current?)
•Illinois's sales tax rate for general merchandise is 6.25 percent. (8.25 in California)
•A reduced rate of 1 percent applies to qualifying food, drug and medical appliances.
Illinois Property taxes are based upon local rates, depending on where you live... up to 33.33 percent of the property's value. So, increased value means increased tax dollars... lower property value means lower taxes paid.
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The teachers are upset cause this upsets their perfect lives. And yes I said perfect lives.....three months off in the summer and getting paid for it along with other paid days off during the year.
Agreed
Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit!
We can get that for less than minimum wage.
That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours).
Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.
However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
LET'S SEE....
That's $585 X 180= $105,300 per year.
Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here!
Let's just say the average teacher's salary is $50,000.
$50,000/180 days= $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student--a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!
Sounds like a perfect life to me...
"The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
Agreed
Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit!
We can get that for less than minimum wage.
That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours).
Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.
However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
LET'S SEE....
That's $585 X 180= $105,300 per year.
Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here!
Let's just say the average teacher's salary is $50,000.
$50,000/180 days= $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student--a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!
Sounds like a perfect life to me...
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You couldn't pay me enough to teach a bunch of 13 year olds with cell phones. I would want hazzardous work pay.
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Hail, Hail!!!
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The plan's supporters warned that rising pension and health care costs probably will eat up all the spending allowed by the caps, forcing cuts in other areas of government.
add on to that the higest sales tax around.
property taxes that just keep going up.
corruption that just doesn't end. IL sucks, but if you give me $50K, i'll say something different.
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Thanx. I stand corrected. It went from 3 pennies per dollar to a whole nickel per dollar (instead of 4 1/2 pennies).
The point being, it is 2 pennies per dollar. Yes, it is 66%... but, it is still 2 pennies per dollar, because 66% of a nickel is 2 cents. That is the point I'm making. I'm not saying it is nothing, because that would be zero. I'm just pointing out the fact that the 66% (sounds gigantic) is actually 2 cents. 66% makes for much better headlines and Sean Hannity rants than 2 pennies would make.
If it were 66% of 9.25%... then, yeah, that's a big deal. It would mean a tax rate of 15%.
...
Also, what is the State Sale Tax in Illinois? (is this information current?)
•Illinois's sales tax rate for general merchandise is 6.25 percent. (8.25 in California)
•A reduced rate of 1 percent applies to qualifying food, drug and medical appliances.
Illinois Property taxes are based upon local rates, depending on where you live... up to 33.33 percent of the property's value. So, increased value means increased tax dollars... lower property value means lower taxes paid.
total sales tax is 9.5% (state, county and local), unless you go out to dinner, than it's 11.5%
sales tax on groceries is 2.25%
lower property values = lower taxes in thoery. i estimate my home has dropped 20%, yet my taxes are up 20%. figure that one out.
what's gas where you live? it's ~3.35 here right now. go into the city and it gets worse, than again, everything gets worse in teh city. pack of smokes in the city will run you close to $10
but as far as your 2 penny argurment, multiply your salary by 2%. it's alot bigger than you think.
and then you go, where is this money going. is it going to build bridges, create jobs, fix sewers. nope, it's going to fund pensions and fill the gap for all the excess spending that was done over the past 5 years.
just in case you weren't aware. IL has one former gov in prison and anouther on his way. now tell, why should i be happy about giving up just 2 pennies a day?
"If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain, when I’m in the White House, I’ll put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I’ll walk on that picket line with you as President of the United States of America.”
Barack Obama. November 2nd, 2008 in South Carolina.
see ya in wisconsin then, obama????
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
total sales tax is 9.5% (state, county and local), unless you go out to dinner, than it's 11.5%
sales tax on groceries is 2.25%
lower property values = lower taxes in thoery. i estimate my home has dropped 20%, yet my taxes are up 20%. figure that one out.
what's gas where you live? it's ~3.35 here right now. go into the city and it gets worse, than again, everything gets worse in teh city. pack of smokes in the city will run you close to $10
but as far as your 2 penny argurment, multiply your salary by 2%. it's alot bigger than you think.
and then you go, where is this money going. is it going to build bridges, create jobs, fix sewers. nope, it's going to fund pensions and fill the gap for all the excess spending that was done over the past 5 years.
just in case you weren't aware. IL has one former gov in prison and anouther on his way. now tell, why should i be happy about giving up just 2 pennies a day?
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Oh, I understand... any tax hike is shitty. I'm just pointing out the hysteria about the 66%. Because 66% sounds massive... but the 2 cents on the dollar does not. Hannity and Limbaugh go out on rants because 66% is a lot. They seem to fail to point out that the increase is factually 2 cents on the dollar.
And i understand what you are saying about scaling it up. Take a gross income of 98,000.00, the total increase would amount to 1,960.00 per year. But, the taxable is way below that because of a savings 36,000.00 pre-taxed so it ends up being closer to 1,260.00 (not including pre-taxed medical co-pay, insurances, etc...). It still leave a total gross amount of 96,740.00
Again, 1,260.00 alone, sounds like alot... until it is compared to 98,000.00. An annual gross of 98,000.00 can take an increase of 1,260.00 per year and hardly feel it.
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Also, if you are interested, Here is your tax rate (see page 17)
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Hail, Hail!!!
Agreed
Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit!
Well, the bad teachers only work for 9 months and baby sit.
My parents were teachers and they worked their asses off, long hours, weekends and many many late nights.
They would spend their summers taking courses and getting new training to adapt to a new year every year.
You count politicians as people? No wonder you are jaded. Democrats and Republicans care nothing about you or me. They only care about votes and staying in power.
And they do that by passing bills that hurt someone OTHER than their target voter base. And the target voter base are people.
Cases in point... The Wisconsin bill is all about taking away people's collective bargaining rights... not about money, it's about just going after "liberals."
I agree. The unions are the Democrats bread and butter, almost a 100% guaranteed voter base. In return, the Democrats give the unions backing. The teachers union in Wisconsin alone rings up $100M from forced member dues each year. Then the union protects the employees. Everyone gets a taste of the pie and in return the politicians get to remain in power and reap campaign donations.
The Republicans are striking in a moment of weakness. The economy's down, thus no general sympathy from those that don't have union protection or benefits. When strong, the unions for the most part demand "take" and offer little "give" and rely on strong-arm tactics to get their way. Now the unions know they are screwed and want to offer concessions but it looks like Walker wants to strike with a dagger to the heart … something that the unions have no problem doing when the tables are turned.
You count politicians as people? No wonder you are jaded. Democrats and Republicans care nothing about you or me. They only care about votes and staying in power.
And for the record... maybe I'm "jaded" because my husband of nearly 20 years could be deported at any time since our REAL marriage isn't recognized down here, although the vanity marriages of Rush Limbaugh, Larry King and Britney Spears (most of which were performed while they were drunk) are iron-clad.
Hopefully everyone will come to their senses sooner then later. Personally, I don't think that the government should be involved in any wedding, less yet dictate who can and cannot be married. In 50 years this issue will be viewed similar to the way we currently view segregated drinking fountains in the past as pure lunacy ... hopefully.
The Republicans are striking in a moment of weakness. The economy's down, thus no general sympathy from those that don't have union protection or benefits.
to be fair... Wisconsin had a surplus up until just recently when the new GOP Governor gave it all away in the form of tax cuts to corporations, many owned by the Koch brothers who are his major funders.
He did this to INTENTIONALLY bankrupt the state so he could bust the unions (a favor the the Koch brothers) and his next step on this plan is to sell publicly-owned utilities to the Koch brothers who will jack up the prices and make bank, especially once the unions have been busted and they're able to cut corners, safety and quality but charge more for it.
So.. don't think this is just about lazy teachers who want to lay in the sun all summer on the public dime.
Personally, I don't think that the government should be involved in any wedding, less yet dictate who can and cannot be married.
I'm in a different mind.
see, I think that we NEED government protections for couples.
If I'm in a coma, I want my husband and not a doctor to speak for me. I want him to inherit my estate, I want him to collect my pension. I want to have the same rights and protections that straight people have.
There are over 1500 rights, privileges and responsibilities that straight couples enjoy that gay people have NO access to and no way to get. Yes, we can pay through the nose to have lawyers draft up power of attorney papers and such but he still can't get a Green Card as my husband. Or sue for wrongful death if I'm run over by a McDonald's delivery van. Straight couples get to do that.
Oh, and straight couples can adopt each other's kids... we can't. Straight couples don't have to testify against each other in court... gay couples do.
total sales tax is 9.5% (state, county and local), unless you go out to dinner, than it's 11.5%
sales tax on groceries is 2.25%
lower property values = lower taxes in thoery. i estimate my home has dropped 20%, yet my taxes are up 20%. figure that one out.
what's gas where you live? it's ~3.35 here right now. go into the city and it gets worse, than again, everything gets worse in teh city. pack of smokes in the city will run you close to $10
but as far as your 2 penny argurment, multiply your salary by 2%. it's alot bigger than you think.
and then you go, where is this money going. is it going to build bridges, create jobs, fix sewers. nope, it's going to fund pensions and fill the gap for all the excess spending that was done over the past 5 years.
just in case you weren't aware. IL has one former gov in prison and anouther on his way. now tell, why should i be happy about giving up just 2 pennies a day?
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Oh, I understand... any tax hike is shitty. I'm just pointing out the hysteria about the 66%. Because 66% sounds massive... but the 2 cents on the dollar does not. Hannity and Limbaugh go out on rants because 66% is a lot. They seem to fail to point out that the increase is factually 2 cents on the dollar.
And i understand what you are saying about scaling it up. Take a gross income of 98,000.00, the total increase would amount to 1,960.00 per year. But, the taxable is way below that because of a savings 36,000.00 pre-taxed so it ends up being closer to 1,260.00 (not including pre-taxed medical co-pay, insurances, etc...). It still leave a total gross amount of 96,740.00
Again, 1,260.00 alone, sounds like alot... until it is compared to 98,000.00. An annual gross of 98,000.00 can take an increase of 1,260.00 per year and hardly feel it.
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Also, if you are interested, Here is your tax rate (see page 17)
you can spin it anyway you want, but i'm going to see a hefty increase in my tax paid.
life long pensions for .gov employee's is a bunch of crap. if a 401k system is good enough for me, it's good enough for them.
we won't even discuss some of the bs that goes on with some of the people who are getting close to retirement. there are tons of cases where these people get massive salary increases in teh last 5 years of employment, which results in a higher pension.
Now the unions know they are screwed and want to offer concessions but it looks like Walker wants to strike with a dagger to the heart … something that the unions have no problem doing when the tables are turned.
Ok, this one is bugging me..
First... not sure if the unions ARE screwed. The majority of people in Wisconsin are backing the unions and not the Governor.
Second.. the base of the Republican party is the Christian right and I can't think of a time when a Democratic Governor has tried to destroy churches or anything similar. what do you mean by that last part?
you can spin it anyway you want, but i'm going to see a hefty increase in my tax paid.
life long pensions for .gov employee's is a bunch of crap. if a 401k system is good enough for me, it's good enough for them.
we won't even discuss some of the bs that goes on with some of the people who are getting close to retirement. there are tons of cases where these people get massive salary increases in teh last 5 years of employment, which results in a higher pension.
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I think you are mistaking me for someone who is for tax increases. I am only for paying for the services you want provided to you... roads, police, fire, education, etc... The money has to come from somewhere.
I'm not trying to 'Spin' anything... I am simply pointing out the hysteria that media outlets and pundits are whipping up. They are spinning it in the direction of a 66% increase... which it is. It is also a total of 2 cents on the dollar. Both are true statements. But a tax hike of 66% gets more headlines and freaks out more Tea Partiers than 2 cents more per dollar.
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Why should I have to pay the same taxes as you straight people?
I'm not going to have kids... so I should pay less. I'm not going to use public playgrounds, schools, school lunch programs... I don't get all those nice tax breaks you guys get... so I shouldn't have to pay for them.
I'm not going to be able to take advantage of a lot of programs made for you people... And hey, up until just recently I couldn't even join the military so I should have gotten a bit of a tax credit for that, too.
See... when you make things all about you, there's a LOT of savings in it for you.
Since us homos all live downtown, I don't think I should have to pay for highways out to the suburbs... besides, fixing those roads just encourages you people to like... come into the city and drive those tacky cars you all have...
(if you're not smart enough to catch the sarcasm in my post.. I'm kinda embarrassed for you)
Why should I have to pay the same taxes as you straight people?
I'm not going to have kids... so I should pay less. I'm not going to use public playgrounds, schools, school lunch programs... I don't get all those nice tax breaks you guys get... so I shouldn't have to pay for them.
I'm not going to be able to take advantage of a lot of programs made for you people... And hey, up until just recently I couldn't even join the military so I should have gotten a bit of a tax credit for that, too.
See... when you make things all about you, there's a LOT of savings in it for you.
Since us homos all live downtown, I don't think I should have to pay for highways out to the suburbs... besides, fixing those roads just encourages you people to like... come into the city and drive those tacky cars you all have...
Shouldn't you boys pay for the 10 freeway between L.A. And Palm Springs!
(if you're not smart enough to catch the sarcasm in my post.. I'm kinda embarrassed for you)
Now the unions know they are screwed and want to offer concessions but it looks like Walker wants to strike with a dagger to the heart … something that the unions have no problem doing when the tables are turned.
Ok, this one is bugging me..
First... not sure if the unions ARE screwed. The majority of people in Wisconsin are backing the unions and not the Governor.
Second.. the base of the Republican party is the Christian right and I can't think of a time when a Democratic Governor has tried to destroy churches or anything similar. what do you mean by that last part?
For the first part, it looks like the Republicans are not backing down so sooner or later they will get their way ... which may backfire in the long run when the next election comes around. On the second part, I guess that was more directed towards my experience with construction trade unions. I like the training they provide to their workers but they are ruthless, use deplorable tactics, and will use any leverage they can to get their way.
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you can spin it anyway you want, but i'm going to see a hefty increase in my tax paid.
life long pensions for .gov employee's is a bunch of crap. if a 401k system is good enough for me, it's good enough for them.
we won't even discuss some of the bs that goes on with some of the people who are getting close to retirement. there are tons of cases where these people get massive salary increases in teh last 5 years of employment, which results in a higher pension.
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I think you are mistaking me for someone who is for tax increases. I am only for paying for the services you want provided to you... roads, police, fire, education, etc... The money has to come from somewhere.
I'm not trying to 'Spin' anything... I am simply pointing out the hysteria that media outlets and pundits are whipping up. They are spinning it in the direction of a 66% increase... which it is. It is also a total of 2 cents on the dollar. Both are true statements. But a tax hike of 66% gets more headlines and freaks out more Tea Partiers than 2 cents more per dollar.
TV loves to scream big numbers, but i think most people get it's 2% more of you salary. And most people can whip out a calculater and figure out it's costing them an extra $1,000 per year on average. I think we also know that pensions are going to be the death of government. I understnad there has to be a retirement plan, but full retirement @ 55 is way to generous when the common man has to work until 65 to get retirement money.
you can spin it anyway you want, but i'm going to see a hefty increase in my tax paid.
life long pensions for .gov employee's is a bunch of crap. if a 401k system is good enough for me, it's good enough for them.
we won't even discuss some of the bs that goes on with some of the people who are getting close to retirement. there are tons of cases where these people get massive salary increases in teh last 5 years of employment, which results in a higher pension.
why are you whining now...? why do you hate someone who has worked through their career and earned a pension and salary increases...?
to me you sound jealous...
and who cares what's "good enough for you"...maybe what's "good enough for you" is not good enough for others...
and who cares what's "good enough for you"...maybe what's "good enough for you" is not good enough for others...
yeah, that kinda bugged me, too.
Teachers need degrees and special training and they need to constantly get new skills and training as they go...
They need a few perks to attract good ones to work for your state. Education is important and if you want your state to have a good future you need good teachers.
That means you need to pay them well and give them the resources and things like pensions or they'll go work somewhere else.
and then your kids will be dumb. Ask people in Mississippi. :roll:
I like the training they provide to their workers but they are ruthless, use deplorable tactics, and will use any leverage they can to get their way.
Deplorable Tactics and any leverage to get their way. Sounds kinda like the new Governor in Wisconsin if you ask me. :twisted:
Hence my reference of them getting a taste of their own medicine . But really, I don't know how the Teachers union operates first hand, I just deal with the eccentric trade unions.
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
And they do that by passing bills that hurt someone OTHER than their target voter base. And the target voter base are people.
Cases in point... The Wisconsin bill is all about taking away people's collective bargaining rights... not about money, it's about just going after "liberals."
Little-known fact is that the new Wisconsin budget bill also removes employment protections for the LGBT community. Just how does making it legal to fire people JUST for being gay help the state budget? It doesn't... it hurts our community and pleases the tea baggers.
Montana also just passed a bill last week that makes it ILLEGAL to have any kind of protections for LGBT people. The Montana House Judiciary Committee has voted 13-7 to advance a bill that would kill Missoula's LGBT anti-discrimination ordinance and prevent local municipalities in the state from enacting similar ordinances. how does THAT help the budget or create jobs (unless you mean creating jobs for straight people by firing the gay ones)?
Not if it's a state bill, no.
Just because you can't be thrown out of the army for being gay anymore doesn't mean you can't be fired, thrown out of your apartment, have your kids taken away, be stopped from being with your partner in the hospital...
And for the record... maybe I'm "jaded" because my husband of nearly 20 years could be deported at any time since our REAL marriage isn't recognized down here, although the vanity marriages of Rush Limbaugh, Larry King and Britney Spears (most of which were performed while they were drunk) are iron-clad.
I'm very sorry, man.
Thanx. I stand corrected. It went from 3 pennies per dollar to a whole nickel per dollar (instead of 4 1/2 pennies).
The point being, it is 2 pennies per dollar. Yes, it is 66%... but, it is still 2 pennies per dollar, because 66% of a nickel is 2 cents. That is the point I'm making. I'm not saying it is nothing, because that would be zero. I'm just pointing out the fact that the 66% (sounds gigantic) is actually 2 cents. 66% makes for much better headlines and Sean Hannity rants than 2 pennies would make.
If it were 66% of 9.25%... then, yeah, that's a big deal. It would mean a tax rate of 15%.
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Also, what is the State Sale Tax in Illinois? (is this information current?)
•Illinois's sales tax rate for general merchandise is 6.25 percent. (8.25 in California)
•A reduced rate of 1 percent applies to qualifying food, drug and medical appliances.
Illinois Property taxes are based upon local rates, depending on where you live... up to 33.33 percent of the property's value. So, increased value means increased tax dollars... lower property value means lower taxes paid.
Hail, Hail!!!
Agreed
Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit!
We can get that for less than minimum wage.
That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours).
Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.
However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
LET'S SEE....
That's $585 X 180= $105,300 per year.
Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here!
Let's just say the average teacher's salary is $50,000.
$50,000/180 days= $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student--a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!
Sounds like a perfect life to me...
You couldn't pay me enough to teach a bunch of 13 year olds with cell phones. I would want hazzardous work pay.
Hail, Hail!!!
total sales tax is 9.5% (state, county and local), unless you go out to dinner, than it's 11.5%
sales tax on groceries is 2.25%
lower property values = lower taxes in thoery. i estimate my home has dropped 20%, yet my taxes are up 20%. figure that one out.
what's gas where you live? it's ~3.35 here right now. go into the city and it gets worse, than again, everything gets worse in teh city. pack of smokes in the city will run you close to $10
but as far as your 2 penny argurment, multiply your salary by 2%. it's alot bigger than you think.
and then you go, where is this money going. is it going to build bridges, create jobs, fix sewers. nope, it's going to fund pensions and fill the gap for all the excess spending that was done over the past 5 years.
just in case you weren't aware. IL has one former gov in prison and anouther on his way. now tell, why should i be happy about giving up just 2 pennies a day?
Barack Obama. November 2nd, 2008 in South Carolina.
see ya in wisconsin then, obama????
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Oh, I understand... any tax hike is shitty. I'm just pointing out the hysteria about the 66%. Because 66% sounds massive... but the 2 cents on the dollar does not. Hannity and Limbaugh go out on rants because 66% is a lot. They seem to fail to point out that the increase is factually 2 cents on the dollar.
And i understand what you are saying about scaling it up. Take a gross income of 98,000.00, the total increase would amount to 1,960.00 per year. But, the taxable is way below that because of a savings 36,000.00 pre-taxed so it ends up being closer to 1,260.00 (not including pre-taxed medical co-pay, insurances, etc...). It still leave a total gross amount of 96,740.00
Again, 1,260.00 alone, sounds like alot... until it is compared to 98,000.00. An annual gross of 98,000.00 can take an increase of 1,260.00 per year and hardly feel it.
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Also, if you are interested, Here is your tax rate (see page 17)
Hail, Hail!!!
Well, the bad teachers only work for 9 months and baby sit.
My parents were teachers and they worked their asses off, long hours, weekends and many many late nights.
They would spend their summers taking courses and getting new training to adapt to a new year every year.
But you get what you pay for, I guess.
And the war.
It's not the relatively low salaries we pay teachers and firemen and policemen.
The Republicans are striking in a moment of weakness. The economy's down, thus no general sympathy from those that don't have union protection or benefits. When strong, the unions for the most part demand "take" and offer little "give" and rely on strong-arm tactics to get their way. Now the unions know they are screwed and want to offer concessions but it looks like Walker wants to strike with a dagger to the heart … something that the unions have no problem doing when the tables are turned.
to be fair... Wisconsin had a surplus up until just recently when the new GOP Governor gave it all away in the form of tax cuts to corporations, many owned by the Koch brothers who are his major funders.
He did this to INTENTIONALLY bankrupt the state so he could bust the unions (a favor the the Koch brothers) and his next step on this plan is to sell publicly-owned utilities to the Koch brothers who will jack up the prices and make bank, especially once the unions have been busted and they're able to cut corners, safety and quality but charge more for it.
So.. don't think this is just about lazy teachers who want to lay in the sun all summer on the public dime.
I'm in a different mind.
see, I think that we NEED government protections for couples.
If I'm in a coma, I want my husband and not a doctor to speak for me. I want him to inherit my estate, I want him to collect my pension. I want to have the same rights and protections that straight people have.
There are over 1500 rights, privileges and responsibilities that straight couples enjoy that gay people have NO access to and no way to get. Yes, we can pay through the nose to have lawyers draft up power of attorney papers and such but he still can't get a Green Card as my husband. Or sue for wrongful death if I'm run over by a McDonald's delivery van. Straight couples get to do that.
Oh, and straight couples can adopt each other's kids... we can't. Straight couples don't have to testify against each other in court... gay couples do.
I could go on. Sorry if I bore you.
you can spin it anyway you want, but i'm going to see a hefty increase in my tax paid.
life long pensions for .gov employee's is a bunch of crap. if a 401k system is good enough for me, it's good enough for them.
we won't even discuss some of the bs that goes on with some of the people who are getting close to retirement. there are tons of cases where these people get massive salary increases in teh last 5 years of employment, which results in a higher pension.
Ok, this one is bugging me..
First... not sure if the unions ARE screwed. The majority of people in Wisconsin are backing the unions and not the Governor.
Second.. the base of the Republican party is the Christian right and I can't think of a time when a Democratic Governor has tried to destroy churches or anything similar. what do you mean by that last part?
I think you are mistaking me for someone who is for tax increases. I am only for paying for the services you want provided to you... roads, police, fire, education, etc... The money has to come from somewhere.
I'm not trying to 'Spin' anything... I am simply pointing out the hysteria that media outlets and pundits are whipping up. They are spinning it in the direction of a 66% increase... which it is. It is also a total of 2 cents on the dollar. Both are true statements. But a tax hike of 66% gets more headlines and freaks out more Tea Partiers than 2 cents more per dollar.
Hail, Hail!!!
Why should I have to pay the same taxes as you straight people?
I'm not going to have kids... so I should pay less. I'm not going to use public playgrounds, schools, school lunch programs... I don't get all those nice tax breaks you guys get... so I shouldn't have to pay for them.
I'm not going to be able to take advantage of a lot of programs made for you people... And hey, up until just recently I couldn't even join the military so I should have gotten a bit of a tax credit for that, too.
See... when you make things all about you, there's a LOT of savings in it for you.
Since us homos all live downtown, I don't think I should have to pay for highways out to the suburbs... besides, fixing those roads just encourages you people to like... come into the city and drive those tacky cars you all have...
(if you're not smart enough to catch the sarcasm in my post.. I'm kinda embarrassed for you)
TV loves to scream big numbers, but i think most people get it's 2% more of you salary. And most people can whip out a calculater and figure out it's costing them an extra $1,000 per year on average. I think we also know that pensions are going to be the death of government. I understnad there has to be a retirement plan, but full retirement @ 55 is way to generous when the common man has to work until 65 to get retirement money.
why are you whining now...? why do you hate someone who has worked through their career and earned a pension and salary increases...?
to me you sound jealous...
and who cares what's "good enough for you"...maybe what's "good enough for you" is not good enough for others...
don't be silly.
Gay guys take the 10 so we can pass through the cruising areas in the hills between Riverside and Banning. :twisted:
Deplorable Tactics and any leverage to get their way. Sounds kinda like the new Governor in Wisconsin if you ask me. :twisted:
yeah, that kinda bugged me, too.
Teachers need degrees and special training and they need to constantly get new skills and training as they go...
They need a few perks to attract good ones to work for your state. Education is important and if you want your state to have a good future you need good teachers.
That means you need to pay them well and give them the resources and things like pensions or they'll go work somewhere else.
and then your kids will be dumb. Ask people in Mississippi. :roll: