In relation to Tim's latest comments, I am an equally paying customer and don't think Tim owes me an apology, or should do anything at all. I feel though that if people really are as offended as some say they are then they should take some action and withdraw their business.
I am not offended since I don't consider myself an asshole.
I just think it is absolutely unacceptable that he said this in his position (head of the 10-C).
He doesn't owe me an apology, but he needs to clarify his statement.
I read a lot of stuff the last days here, but i didn't read many things qualifiing the authors as assholes.
Tell me, who are the assholes here, and what did they say?
But maybe for some people, everybody with a (different) opinion is an asshole...
There is absolutely no reason anyone from the 10 Club should have to apologize to anyone. They made a business decision with 2 payment options. If you want to be a limited Edition type of member you pay more, if you don't or can't afford the pay increase they still have the $20 option. And trust me the people who are whining probably make up less than 5% of the total 10 Club members.
In relation to Tim's latest comments, I am an equally paying customer and don't think Tim owes me an apology, or should do anything at all. I feel though that if people really are as offended as some say they are then they should take some action and withdraw their business.
I am not offended since I don't consider myself an asshole.
I just think it is absolutely unacceptable that he said this in his position (head of the 10-C).
He doesn't owe me an apology, but he needs to clarify his statement.
I read a lot of stuff the last days here, but i didn't read many things qualifiing the authors as assholes.
Tell me, who are the assholes here, and what did they say?
But maybe for some people, everybody with a (different) opinion is an asshole...
i know im a nice guy..i know im an asshole too...im confuced :roll:
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In relation to Tim's latest comments, I am an equally paying customer and don't think Tim owes me an apology, or should do anything at all. I feel though that if people really are as offended as some say they are then they should take some action and withdraw their business.
I am not offended since I don't consider myself an asshole.
I just think it is abolutely unacceptable that he said this in his position (head of the 10-C).
He doesn't owe me an apology, but he needs to clarify his statement.
I read a lot of stuff the last days here, but i didn't read many things qualifiing the authors as an assholes.
But maybe for some people, everybody with a (different) opinion is an asshole...
OK, then on the asshole thing - have you listened to the recording of the show and heard what was actually said? If so, do you not think that Tim was simply 'caricaturing' a certain type of forum member who continually uses 'caustic' modes of expression to contribute to the forum? I heard the thing live, thought it was pretty funny, pretty accurate, pretty lighthearted - and the phrase that stuck in my mind was not 'asshole' but 'caustic'. The sentence in which Tim used the word asshole is now being taken completely out of context in my opinion, and it is entirely unfair on him I think, and misrepresentative of the spirit in which he spoke. I don't think it *is* a problem at all.
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William Wallace, if I were this upset about a business I would withdraw my custom. How can you live with yourself and keep paying them? I hate nestle, so I don't buy their products.
I really don't think it was that offensive what was said anyway - as a paying customer it caused me no problems at all - Tim seems to me a decent bloke doing a pretty decent job who is fed up to the back teeth of the way some people use this forum so negatvely. He has a point.
I think the majorly dissatisfied customers should put their money where their mouth is, cancel their custom, and let the people satisfied with the Ten Club get back to doing what they like best - discussing Pearl Jam
Thanks for your kind advice.
But if you would read open minded, you would have seen that I mentioned I like lot of things about the Tenclub.
I just think the new membership system is based on a good idea, but done in a bad way.
And since this thread is about the new system, it is obvious you'll find more critical remarks than positiv ones.
So your solution is 'sut up when you disagree'?
I think it was offensive.
If a representative of an organisation calls members 'assholes', it is a problem.
When you guys who are excusing this would hear this anywhere else but in the Pearl Jam world, you wouldn't be OK with it either.
And to be honest, I didn't read any insults from tenclubbers directed to the 10-C workers here at all.
If someone did this, it would also be unacceptable.
So discussing is only for the fans satisfied with the tenclub?
This will be a controversial discussion...
A discussion forum lives from different opinion.
As long as everyone minds the rules, what problem is there?
Take me as an example:
I loved Backspacer. I was more than happy to hear about this years plans. But I was disappointed about the new membership system.
If you look in the backspacer thread, you'll find positive input.
If you look at '20 years PJ', you'll find positive input.
If you look in this thread, you'll find negative input.
So who are you guys judging fans who disagree in some points?
WW - if what we were focusing on here was simply the latest membership increase then fine, there's nothing wrong with providing feedback about the price rise. But actually, the context in which this discussion has arisen, and Tim's frustrated comments come against a backdrop of constant criticism of the Ten Club by some extremely dissatisfied customers over a long period of time. I am not saying people shouldn't have specific comments and feedback about a pretty substantial membership rise; but what I am saying is that if I had a long term sense of grievance and dissatisfaction with the way a business was being conducted then I would do the honest thing and stop paying them my money, and I do do this for businesses I disagree with. In relation to Tim's latest comments, I am an equally paying customer and don't think Tim owes me an apology, or should do anything at all. I feel though that if people really are as offended as some say they are then they should take some action and withdraw their business.
Honestly, everyone has their own way of handling a business with which they are dissatisfied. In this case, the analogy of another business model may not be relevant.
For instance, if the person who owns your local grocery store calls me a bad name, I can go to another grocery store just down the road. They have milk, bread, eggs, just like the first grocer.
When the president of the Ten Club calls me a bad name (which, in my case, I don't think he was talking about me so I don't really care, but just making a point), I'm not going to go join the U2, Metallica or REM fan club instead. I can't get the same items there. I want my fan club single, access to tickets, etc for Pearl Jam, not another band. This is the only game in town.
With that said, there are a lot of people who begrudgingly do spend their hard earned money on the Ten Club even though they may not be satisfied. They express their displeasure on the forums, and sometimes things change as a result.
The best thing to do? Be kind and respectful, then when Tim decides to refer to people by a bad name, you can be confident that he's not talking about you because you don't act that way.
And yes, Tim should apologize for the comments. But he said that on the radio, not the forums. The phone lines were WIDE open this week, I got through first try. Call him there, talk to him, don't put the board admins in the middle because it didn't happen here.
There is absolutely no reason anyone from the 10 Club should have to apologize to anyone. They made a business decision with 2 payment options. If you want to be a limited Edition type of member you pay more, if you don't or can't afford the pay increase they still have the $20 option. And trust me the people who are whining probably make up less than 5% of the total 10 Club members.
People amaze me sometimes.
No one said anyone should apologize for the new system.
It was about Tim's 'assholes' remark where some people said he should apologize..
Thanks for your kind advice.
But if you would read open minded, you would have seen that I mentioned I like lot of things about the Tenclub.
I just think the new membership system is based on a good idea, but done in a bad way.
And since this thread is about the new system, it is obvious you'll find more critical remarks than positiv ones.
So your solution is 'sut up when you disagree'?
I think it was offensive.
If a representative of an organisation calls members 'assholes', it is a problem.
When you guys who are excusing this would hear this anywhere else but in the Pearl Jam world, you wouldn't be OK with it either.
And to be honest, I didn't read any insults from tenclubbers directed to the 10-C workers here at all.
If someone did this, it would also be unacceptable.
So discussing is only for the fans satisfied with the tenclub?
This will be a controversial discussion...
A discussion forum lives from different opinion.
As long as everyone minds the rules, what problem is there?
Take me as an example:
I loved Backspacer. I was more than happy to hear about this years plans. But I was disappointed about the new membership system.
If you look in the backspacer thread, you'll find positive input.
If you look at '20 years PJ', you'll find positive input.
If you look in this thread, you'll find negative input.
So who are you guys judging fans who disagree in some points?
WW - if what we were focusing on here was simply the latest membership increase then fine, there's nothing wrong with providing feedback about the price rise. But actually, the context in which this discussion has arisen, and Tim's frustrated comments come against a backdrop of constant criticism of the Ten Club by some extremely dissatisfied customers over a long period of time. I am not saying people shouldn't have specific comments and feedback about a pretty substantial membership rise; but what I am saying is that if I had a long term sense of grievance and dissatisfaction with the way a business was being conducted then I would do the honest thing and stop paying them my money, and I do do this for businesses I disagree with. In relation to Tim's latest comments, I am an equally paying customer and don't think Tim owes me an apology, or should do anything at all. I feel though that if people really are as offended as some say they are then they should take some action and withdraw their business.
Honestly, everyone has their own way of handling a business with which they are dissatisfied. In this case, the analogy of another business model may not be relevant.
For instance, if the person who owns your local grocery store calls me a bad name, I can go to another grocery store just down the road. They have milk, bread, eggs, just like the first grocer.
When the president of the Ten Club calls me a bad name (which, in my case, I don't think he was talking about me so I don't really care, but just making a point), I'm not going to go join the U2, Metallica or REM fan club instead. I can't get the same items there. I want my fan club single, access to tickets, etc for Pearl Jam, not another band. This is the only game in town.
With that said, there are a lot of people who begrudgingly do spend their hard earned money on the Ten Club even though they may not be satisfied. They express their displeasure on the forums, and sometimes things change as a result.
The best thing to do? Be kind and respectful, then when Tim decides to refer to people by a bad name, you can be confident that he's not talking about you because you don't act that way.
And yes, Tim should apologize for the comments. But he said that on the radio, not the forums. The phone lines were WIDE open this week, I got through first try. Call him there, talk to him, don't put the board admins in the middle because it didn't happen here.
Tim is the manager of the fan club, and not a president - I am pretty well satisfied with the Fan Club, and if I wasn't I would just DO WITHOUT THE FAN CLUB
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anyways, if anyone is interested about the digital/analog memberships with previous renewal issue, i believe i got a response from 10C that clears it up.
anyone who renewed their membership prior to the change at $20 is a digital member going forth. so no, we are not grandfathered in, nor will 10C honor the terms of the old contract. so, no holiday single or hard copy of deep for the 2011 year. so, those of you that believe we will be getting just the single and deep are wrong.
i believe they waited after the holidays to announce this change as soon as the 2010 holiday single has passed. any new members/renewals apply for the 2011 single which will not be given to us unless we pay for the analog membership.
anyways, if anyone is interested about the digital/analog memberships with previous renewal issue, i believe i got a response from 10C that clears it up.
anyone who renewed their membership prior to the change at $20 is a digital member going forth. so no, we are not grandfathered in, nor will 10C honor the terms of the old contract. so, no holiday single or hard copy of deep for the 2011 year. so, those of you that believe we will be getting just the single and deep are wrong.
i believe they waited after the holidays to announce this change as soon as the 2010 holiday single has passed. any new members/renewals apply for the 2011 single which will not be given to us unless we pay for the analog membership.
But I renwed my membership in September 2010. So... I will get this years single on vinyl and then next september I pay $50 and i will recieve the 2011 holiday single etc?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
There is absolutely no reason anyone from the 10 Club should have to apologize to anyone. They made a business decision with 2 payment options. If you want to be a limited Edition type of member you pay more, if you don't or can't afford the pay increase they still have the $20 option. And trust me the people who are whining probably make up less than 5% of the total 10 Club members.
People amaze me sometimes.
No one said anyone should apologize for the new system.
It was about Tim's 'assholes' remark where some people said he should apologize..
If people didn't whine like a bunch of 2 year olds over an extra $1.66 per month he wouldn't have had to make comments.
Really, if you can't afford $40 can you really afford $20? And if it is a huge problem, pay the $20 and if you want you can always change to Analog next year and you will always be able to find the single on ebay.
If you don't want the t-shirt and download, so be it. You still get the single, just in mp3 format and you don't lose your ticket rights for $20. There isn't anything unfair at all in this change, in my opinion.
Sorry, "manager of the Ten Club not president of the Ten Club"
Right, but if a person isn't satisfied with say, customer service and price, but is satisfied with their 45 single, tickets, posting on the board, etc., you suggest they walk away as opposed to trying to make it better or expressing their opinion?
There is absolutely no reason anyone from the 10 Club should have to apologize to anyone. They made a business decision with 2 payment options. If you want to be a limited Edition type of member you pay more, if you don't or can't afford the pay increase they still have the $20 option. And trust me the people who are whining probably make up less than 5% of the total 10 Club members.
People amaze me sometimes.
No one said anyone should apologize for the new system.
It was about Tim's 'assholes' remark where some people said he should apologize..
If people didn't whine like a bunch of 2 year olds over an extra $1.66 per month he wouldn't have had to make comments.
Really, if you can't afford $40 can you really afford $20? And if it is a huge problem, pay the $20 and if you want you can always change to Analog next year and you will always be able to find the single on ebay.
If you don't want the t-shirt and download, so be it. You still get the single, just in mp3 format and you don't lose your ticket rights for $20. There isn't anything unfair at all in this change, in my opinion.
RedMosquito22 is becoming my favorite poster right now. He hit's the nail on the head everytime.
Can someone give me the Coles notes on this? Sounds like Tim went on a rant or something?
I listened to the show on Sirius on Wednesday as it went out. Before the interview with Brad Klausen Tim explained some stuff about the price rise to Ten Club membership. He said they had been considering a price rise for quite some time, to be able to deliver more what people expected of them - upgrade the servers, improve the website, improve the ticketing and merch operations for which they needed to increase some revenue. He said they were aware that some people only really wanted the advanced ticketing options, and so they preserved the price for the 'digital' option. He said he had read a lot of criticism on the boards, and he said a little piece about some of the 'caustic' members of the forum who criticised continually. He gave a little caricature of them sitting in their underpants drinking root beer while posting (I think). At some point in the discussions he used the word 'asshole', or 'being assholes' or something.
When I heard it I didn't think it was a rant, or much else than letting off a bit of frustration about 'caustic' attitudes on this forum. Overall I didn't think it was much to write home about. Some people differ - and it has been a topic of debate since Wednesday.
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Why do people put such value in someone being the "president" of a "fanclub".
Tim runs the fanclub, but besides decision making abilities he may be granted by the powers that be, he is not some political leader that has a big effect on our everyday lives!...this is not a knock on Tim!
This is a great community of people with a common interest, but all it takes is $20 to become a member. It ain't some secret society that has many barriers to entry.
So Tim can misuse his power because he is in this position?
And you are even OK with this?
Not sure how he "misued his power." I have absolutely no problems at all with what he said. Very refreshing. People here were being extremely rude and he just stated that fact.
As Kat said before, it is not OK to insult others. You really think it is OK for the president of this Club, only because he is the president and has the power?
You can't be serious?
A couple things on this one; First off, he is not "the president." He is the manager of a fan club. Second, Kat has no control over what happens away from this message board. Third, what Kat doesn't want to happen here are direct attacks on anyone else. What Tim said was not a direct attack on any one person. He made a general statement about the assholes on here who belittle and label those who say the Ten Club does a good job as "ass kissers."
And 'take it or leave it' is the best approach for a good and open discussion, and for improvement, right?! :roll:
I won't take it, and I surely won't leave it.
I, like many others here, have my own thoughts that don't necessarily go along with everything 10-C does.
Intollerance won't shut us up, I promise!
I am not even sure what you are upset about. Is it what Tim said, or is it the change in the membership program?
Sorry, "manager of the Ten Club not president of the Ten Club"
Right, but if a person isn't satisfied with say, customer service and price, but is satisfied with their 45 single, tickets, posting on the board, etc., you suggest they walk away as opposed to trying to make it better or expressing their opinion?
No, it is probably better to try and make it better I think, I agree. But if you are mortally offended by the words of the manager of the business whilst others are not at all. Then there are less options.
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Sorry, "manager of the Ten Club not president of the Ten Club"
Right, but if a person isn't satisfied with say, customer service and price, but is satisfied with their 45 single, tickets, posting on the board, etc., you suggest they walk away as opposed to trying to make it better or expressing their opinion?
No, it is probably better to try and make it better I think, I agree. But if you are mortally offended by the words of the manager of the business whilst others are not at all. Then there are less options.
Whats wrong with the mgr of a business defending themselves?
The customer isn't always right, and the business is allowed to deal with customers as they see fit.
I don't really have a big problem with the price increase, I have a problem with the 10club not sending anything out on time, thats what annoys me. I'd also like to see a picture of the shirt thats included in the analog.
I don't really have a big problem with the price increase, I have a problem with the 10club not sending anything out on time, thats what annoys me. I'd also like to see a picture of the shirt thats included in the analog.
What isn't sent out on time? If you mean the Holiday single, when has there ever been a promised date for it? All that was ever promised is that you were guaranteed to get one that calendar year if your membership was paid up by December.
I read a lot of stuff the last days here, but i didn't read many things qualifiing the authors as assholes.
Tell me, who are the assholes here, and what did they say?
Now, that would be against the posting guidlines here.
But maybe for some people, everybody with a (different) opinion is an asshole...
No, in these cases people were bashing people who were paying the 10c a compliment, as "ass kissers" and "brown nosers." This had nothing to do with people being upset at the new membership, and solely about the people who post negative comments about other people here who say nice things about the Ten Club. They are the assholes he was referring to. He never even remotely implied that everyone are assholes, or even that everyone who is unhappy with the new membership are assholes. It was all about those who bash the ten club supporters.
If people didn't whine like a bunch of 2 year olds over an extra $1.66 per month he wouldn't have had to make comments.
See, I find this as insulting as anything in this thread, but this sort of talk about members expressing their opinions is allowed? I hope this poster gets a warning from Kat as I did.
I don't really have a big problem with the price increase, I have a problem with the 10club not sending anything out on time, thats what annoys me. I'd also like to see a picture of the shirt thats included in the analog.
What isn't sent out on time? If you mean the Holiday single, when has there ever been a promised date for it? All that was ever promised is that you were guaranteed to get one that calendar year if your membership was paid up by December.
Weren't we supposed to get 2 deep mags every year? I didn't get two? Maybe it's just me then.
I think The holiday single should atleast come out in the year it is supposed to, like i'd want to get the one for 2010 in 2010, not in mid 2011, i would consider that late, i think thats a pretty reasonable want.
If people didn't whine like a bunch of 2 year olds over an extra $1.66 per month he wouldn't have had to make comments.
See, I find this as insulting as anything in this thread, but this sort of talk about members expressing their opinions is allowed? I hope this poster gets a warning from Kat as I did.
I don't really have a big problem with the price increase, I have a problem with the 10club not sending anything out on time, thats what annoys me. I'd also like to see a picture of the shirt thats included in the analog.
What isn't sent out on time? If you mean the Holiday single, when has there ever been a promised date for it? All that was ever promised is that you were guaranteed to get one that calendar year if your membership was paid up by December.
Weren't we supposed to get 2 deep mags every year? I didn't get two? Maybe it's just me then.
I think The holiday single should atleast come out in the year it is supposed to, like i'd want to get the one for 2010 in 2010, not in mid 2011, i would consider that late, i think thats a pretty reasonable want.
2 deep issues hasn't been promised. It does come in the calendar year it's promised. Your membership has to be up to date in December to get it. The calendar year is December to December. And you always get it in that time frame. There has never been a guarantee that you get it between December 25th and January 1st.
But I renwed my membership in September 2010. So... I will get this years single on vinyl and then next september I pay $50 and i will recieve the 2011 holiday single etc?
from what i understand, thats how it works. you renewed on 9/2010 which qualifies you for the 2010 holiday single only (from 9/10 -9/11). the new membership contract is for the 2011 holiday single. so it doesn't matter who snuck in and renewed prior to the change. if you want the 2011 single you have to be an analog member.
No, in these cases people were bashing people who were paying the 10c a compliment, as "ass kissers" and "brown nosers."
What's with those people calling other fans 'whiners', only because they had different opinions and were not satisfied with the membership changes?
Do they qualify as 'assholes' too?
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No, in these cases people were bashing people who were paying the 10c a compliment, as "ass kissers" and "brown nosers."
What's with those people calling other fans 'whiners', only because they had different opinions and were not satisfied with the membership changes?
There's a difference. It wasn't just a differing opinion. People were actually bashing all involved. If people innocently just said "I don't like the change, but will/will not go with Analog" that would be fine and totally acceptable. I'm pretty sure everyone can accept people saying that they don't like it and respect their opinion and can understand that they may not want to pay more. It went to a whole other level however. It wasn't like they forced everyone to pay $40. They were still nice enough to keep the $20 option for people who didn't want to pay more.
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I just think it is absolutely unacceptable that he said this in his position (head of the 10-C).
He doesn't owe me an apology, but he needs to clarify his statement.
I read a lot of stuff the last days here, but i didn't read many things qualifiing the authors as assholes.
Tell me, who are the assholes here, and what did they say?
But maybe for some people, everybody with a (different) opinion is an asshole...
People amaze me sometimes.
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OK, then on the asshole thing - have you listened to the recording of the show and heard what was actually said? If so, do you not think that Tim was simply 'caricaturing' a certain type of forum member who continually uses 'caustic' modes of expression to contribute to the forum? I heard the thing live, thought it was pretty funny, pretty accurate, pretty lighthearted - and the phrase that stuck in my mind was not 'asshole' but 'caustic'. The sentence in which Tim used the word asshole is now being taken completely out of context in my opinion, and it is entirely unfair on him I think, and misrepresentative of the spirit in which he spoke. I don't think it *is* a problem at all.
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Honestly, everyone has their own way of handling a business with which they are dissatisfied. In this case, the analogy of another business model may not be relevant.
For instance, if the person who owns your local grocery store calls me a bad name, I can go to another grocery store just down the road. They have milk, bread, eggs, just like the first grocer.
When the president of the Ten Club calls me a bad name (which, in my case, I don't think he was talking about me so I don't really care, but just making a point), I'm not going to go join the U2, Metallica or REM fan club instead. I can't get the same items there. I want my fan club single, access to tickets, etc for Pearl Jam, not another band. This is the only game in town.
With that said, there are a lot of people who begrudgingly do spend their hard earned money on the Ten Club even though they may not be satisfied. They express their displeasure on the forums, and sometimes things change as a result.
The best thing to do? Be kind and respectful, then when Tim decides to refer to people by a bad name, you can be confident that he's not talking about you because you don't act that way.
And yes, Tim should apologize for the comments. But he said that on the radio, not the forums. The phone lines were WIDE open this week, I got through first try. Call him there, talk to him, don't put the board admins in the middle because it didn't happen here.
It was about Tim's 'assholes' remark where some people said he should apologize..
Tim is the manager of the fan club, and not a president - I am pretty well satisfied with the Fan Club, and if I wasn't I would just DO WITHOUT THE FAN CLUB
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anyways, if anyone is interested about the digital/analog memberships with previous renewal issue, i believe i got a response from 10C that clears it up.
anyone who renewed their membership prior to the change at $20 is a digital member going forth. so no, we are not grandfathered in, nor will 10C honor the terms of the old contract. so, no holiday single or hard copy of deep for the 2011 year. so, those of you that believe we will be getting just the single and deep are wrong.
i believe they waited after the holidays to announce this change as soon as the 2010 holiday single has passed. any new members/renewals apply for the 2011 single which will not be given to us unless we pay for the analog membership.
But I renwed my membership in September 2010. So... I will get this years single on vinyl and then next september I pay $50 and i will recieve the 2011 holiday single etc?
If people didn't whine like a bunch of 2 year olds over an extra $1.66 per month he wouldn't have had to make comments.
Really, if you can't afford $40 can you really afford $20? And if it is a huge problem, pay the $20 and if you want you can always change to Analog next year and you will always be able to find the single on ebay.
If you don't want the t-shirt and download, so be it. You still get the single, just in mp3 format and you don't lose your ticket rights for $20. There isn't anything unfair at all in this change, in my opinion.
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Sorry, "manager of the Ten Club not president of the Ten Club"
Right, but if a person isn't satisfied with say, customer service and price, but is satisfied with their 45 single, tickets, posting on the board, etc., you suggest they walk away as opposed to trying to make it better or expressing their opinion?
RedMosquito22 is becoming my favorite poster right now. He hit's the nail on the head everytime.
I listened to the show on Sirius on Wednesday as it went out. Before the interview with Brad Klausen Tim explained some stuff about the price rise to Ten Club membership. He said they had been considering a price rise for quite some time, to be able to deliver more what people expected of them - upgrade the servers, improve the website, improve the ticketing and merch operations for which they needed to increase some revenue. He said they were aware that some people only really wanted the advanced ticketing options, and so they preserved the price for the 'digital' option. He said he had read a lot of criticism on the boards, and he said a little piece about some of the 'caustic' members of the forum who criticised continually. He gave a little caricature of them sitting in their underpants drinking root beer while posting (I think). At some point in the discussions he used the word 'asshole', or 'being assholes' or something.
When I heard it I didn't think it was a rant, or much else than letting off a bit of frustration about 'caustic' attitudes on this forum. Overall I didn't think it was much to write home about. Some people differ - and it has been a topic of debate since Wednesday.
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Tim runs the fanclub, but besides decision making abilities he may be granted by the powers that be, he is not some political leader that has a big effect on our everyday lives!...this is not a knock on Tim!
This is a great community of people with a common interest, but all it takes is $20 to become a member. It ain't some secret society that has many barriers to entry.
A couple things on this one; First off, he is not "the president." He is the manager of a fan club. Second, Kat has no control over what happens away from this message board. Third, what Kat doesn't want to happen here are direct attacks on anyone else. What Tim said was not a direct attack on any one person. He made a general statement about the assholes on here who belittle and label those who say the Ten Club does a good job as "ass kissers."
I am not even sure what you are upset about. Is it what Tim said, or is it the change in the membership program?
No, it is probably better to try and make it better I think, I agree. But if you are mortally offended by the words of the manager of the business whilst others are not at all. Then there are less options.
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Whats wrong with the mgr of a business defending themselves?
The customer isn't always right, and the business is allowed to deal with customers as they see fit.
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What isn't sent out on time? If you mean the Holiday single, when has there ever been a promised date for it? All that was ever promised is that you were guaranteed to get one that calendar year if your membership was paid up by December.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
Now, that would be against the posting guidlines here.
No, in these cases people were bashing people who were paying the 10c a compliment, as "ass kissers" and "brown nosers." This had nothing to do with people being upset at the new membership, and solely about the people who post negative comments about other people here who say nice things about the Ten Club. They are the assholes he was referring to. He never even remotely implied that everyone are assholes, or even that everyone who is unhappy with the new membership are assholes. It was all about those who bash the ten club supporters.
See, I find this as insulting as anything in this thread, but this sort of talk about members expressing their opinions is allowed? I hope this poster gets a warning from Kat as I did.
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Weren't we supposed to get 2 deep mags every year? I didn't get two? Maybe it's just me then.
I think The holiday single should atleast come out in the year it is supposed to, like i'd want to get the one for 2010 in 2010, not in mid 2011, i would consider that late, i think thats a pretty reasonable want.
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Of course you do.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
2 deep issues hasn't been promised. It does come in the calendar year it's promised. Your membership has to be up to date in December to get it. The calendar year is December to December. And you always get it in that time frame. There has never been a guarantee that you get it between December 25th and January 1st.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
from what i understand, thats how it works. you renewed on 9/2010 which qualifies you for the 2010 holiday single only (from 9/10 -9/11). the new membership contract is for the 2011 holiday single. so it doesn't matter who snuck in and renewed prior to the change. if you want the 2011 single you have to be an analog member.
Do they qualify as 'assholes' too?
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There's a difference. It wasn't just a differing opinion. People were actually bashing all involved. If people innocently just said "I don't like the change, but will/will not go with Analog" that would be fine and totally acceptable. I'm pretty sure everyone can accept people saying that they don't like it and respect their opinion and can understand that they may not want to pay more. It went to a whole other level however. It wasn't like they forced everyone to pay $40. They were still nice enough to keep the $20 option for people who didn't want to pay more.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....