Wishing the wrong people Merry Christmas...

Thoughts_Arrive

Paul David wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Then I think about Islam, what joy do their followers have?
All I see is violence and no joy.

what a lovely generalization.

Thanks.
You show me one thing that is joyous with that religion?

Thoughts_Arrive

titchinello wrote:

I skipped all the replys and came to here.

where i live is a small village, and in the community there is a lot of religion. ( none of which i take part in)

Last year Daughter Tyler who was 4 at the time gave out xmas cards to all here classmates, chuffed to bits that she was getting to do this.
Next day one of the girls in here class gave Tyler her card back. with no explination, which really upset tyler.
turns out her family are some religion that doesn't celebrate xmas. and we had to wipe away the tears and explain this to tyler.

so i ask also. was the girl right to give her card back, or should she have just binned it, and said nothing.

Sorry to hijack your thread dude. but just felt i should share this to.

No probs, go for it

acrossssSsssshittt

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Paul David wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Then I think about Islam, what joy do their followers have?
All I see is violence and no joy.

what a lovely generalization.

Thanks.
You show me one thing that is joyous with that religion?

sex, drugs and violence... i find that joyous

aNiMaL

Paul David wrote:

I just can't jump on this bandwagon. Just imagine for a second that you didn't grow up in this Christian-dominated culture. Everything, everywhere, is CHRISTMAS. EVERYTHING. Don't you think it might get a bit much after a while? Telling people to suck it up and ignore it is easy when it's not a big deal to you.

I say Merry Christmas to those I know celebrate it, and that's it. If someone I don't know says it to me, I'll say it back. It's not politically correct, it's being tolerant of other cultures. Most don't give a shit, but to those that do, I can't judge them for that.

No, because I cannot fathom being a minority in a new land and having the audacity to tell these people how they should live and what they should and shouldn't celebrate - just because I don't. What is so hard with, live and let live?

This is the most idiotic notion that somehow people that choose to not celebrate Christmas are somehow "offended" by others celebrating it. Absolutely IDIOTIC.

The anti-Christmas folks need to settle down and realize that this is a US National Holiday - and there is nothing scary or offensive about it. If you have chosen to not participate, that's fine, you are free to celebrate what you want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. But, you do not have the right to stop anyone else for celebrating what they like as long as it also doesn't hurt anyone. Christmas doesn't hurt anyone.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

no one is telling anyone they shouldn't celebrate something, or "how they should live". :roll: where are you getting this from? they are merely stating THEY don't celebrate it, so don't shove it down our throats. that is all.

it's called tolerance. More people should give it a try.

aNiMaL wrote:

No, because I cannot fathom being a minority in a new land and having the audacity to tell these people how they should live and what they should and shouldn't celebrate - just because I don't. What is so hard with, live and let live?

This is the most idiotic notion that somehow people that choose to not celebrate Christmas are somehow "offended" by others celebrating it. Absolutely IDIOTIC.

The anti-Christmas folks need to settle down and realize that this is a US National Holiday - and there is nothing scary or offensive about it. If you have chosen to not participate, that's fine, you are free to celebrate what you want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. But, you do not have the right to stop anyone else for celebrating what they like as long as it also doesn't hurt anyone. Christmas doesn't hurt anyone.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

sure.

Bakr Id, or Id al Zuha (Feast of Sacrifice), begins on the tenth day of the Islamic month of Dhul Hijjah and is a major holiday. Prescribed in the Quran, Id al Zuha commemorates Ibrahim's willingness to sacrifice Ishmael (rather than Ishaq--Isaac--as in the Judeo-Christian tradition) according to God's command, but it is also the high point of the pilgrim's ritual cycle while on the hajj in Mecca. All of these festivals involve large feasts, gifts given to family and neighbors, and the distribution of food for charitable purposes.

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Paul David wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Then I think about Islam, what joy do their followers have?
All I see is violence and no joy.

what a lovely generalization.

Thanks.
You show me one thing that is joyous with that religion?

John Briggs 2008

I despise all things Christmas. I don't celebrate it, can't stand it and don't want anything to do with it but even I take no offense by someone wishing it to me and I will even extend the same in return to honor there gracious and kind intentions. Be offended if one wishes but don't take it out on others because they are different I say. Be kind in return regardless always and forever.

Gary Carter

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Paul David wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Then I think about Islam, what joy do their followers have?
All I see is violence and no joy.

what a lovely generalization.

Thanks.
You show me one thing that is joyous with that religion?

same can be said for any religion really



btw- paul my rant wasn't meant for you. just pisses me off people are so uptight by one holiday. the same people that are so uptight bout a holiday they still do things associated with that holiday. ffs this country was founded by quakers who are christians, shocking to most people :roll: .

Gary Carter

Empty Glass wrote:

metsfan wrote:

why don't these pc people single out hanukkah or kwanzaa? hell those last 8 days and 6 days . i don't see the pc up in arms bout those holidays but god forbid we offend the jewish and blacks. let's all get pc bout the christian holiday. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

if people are so against christmas then dont put up a fucking tree, dont fucking buy presents, dont fucking spend christmas with your loved one, stay the fuck home. kinda pot kettle black if your so against christmas but yet do all the things that are associated with christmas holiday. i say either suck it up for one fucking day or don't do things that are associated with the holiday




MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS !

100% agree here.

And look a Christmas miracle, a Phillies fan agrees with a Mets fan. Merry Christmas brother!

merry christmas bro

aNiMaL

Paul David wrote:

it's called tolerance. More people should give it a try

Odd, that's my point too. Tolerance from those that do not participate. They need to be tolerant of something that they do not participate in, but most around them do.

To cry offense is what is ridiculous.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

but it isn't promoting tolerance to push your celebration on others, and then freak out when they don't like it. I don't necessarily agree that people should really freak out about getting a Christmas greeting, but like I said, I can't judge them, as I am not in their shoes.

If I lived in the middle east, I would probably expect to hear all sorts of different greetings that I'm not used to, and I'd assume I'd take it in stride, but I can't know that for sure.

aNiMaL wrote:

Paul David wrote:

it's called tolerance. More people should give it a try

Odd, that's my point too. Tolerance from those that do not participate. They need to be tolerant of something that they do not participate in, but most around them do.

To cry offense is what is ridiculous.

aNiMaL

Paul David wrote:

but it isn't promoting tolerance to push your celebration on others, and then freak out when they don't like it. I don't necessarily agree that people should really freak out about getting a Christmas greeting, but like I said, I can't judge them, as I am not in their shoes.

If I lived in the middle east, I would probably expect to hear all sorts of different greetings that I'm not used to, and I'd assume I'd take it in stride, but I can't know that for sure.

aNiMaL wrote:

Paul David wrote:

it's called tolerance. More people should give it a try

Odd, that's my point too. Tolerance from those that do not participate. They need to be tolerant of something that they do not participate in, but most around them do.

To cry offense is what is ridiculous.

Just as though those who come here (or currently live here but choose to not celebrate) need to take Christmas in stride. They need to accept the fact that this country recognizes it as a National Holiday. No one is purposefully shoving it down their throats. This time of year, otherwise known as Christmastime, the holiday is everywhere in this country. It is just the way it is.

And, this wouldn't even be a subject if it wasn't for the few who want to cry "offense" every time they see a Christmas tree or are wished a Merry Christmas. Unless these anti-Christmas folks wear a shirt or a sign that claims their stance, they will continue to be wished a Merry Christmas from strangers - because that is the type of cheerful holiday that it is.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

yep, as I thought.

aNiMaL wrote:

Just as though those who come here (or currently live here but choose to not celebrate) need to take Christmas in stride. They need to accept the fact that this country recognizes it as a National Holiday. No one is purposefully shoving it down their throats. This time of year, otherwise known as Christmastime, the holiday is everywhere in this country. It is just the way it is.

And, this wouldn't even be a subject if it wasn't for the few who want to cry "offense" every time they see a Christmas tree or are wished a Merry Christmas. Unless these anti-Christmas folks wear a shirt or a sign that claims their stance, they will continue to be wished a Merry Christmas from strangers - because that is the type of cheerful holiday that it is.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

aNiMaL wrote:

Just as though those who come here (or currently live here but choose to not celebrate) need to take Christmas in stride.

this is exactly the BS I'm talking about. Those who "choose not to celebrate". You choose not to celebrate any other holiday from another religion, should they shove it down YOUR throat just because of their geographical location? That's ludicrous and ignorant.

Happy holidays.

aNiMaL

Paul David wrote:

aNiMaL wrote:

Just as though those who come here (or currently live here but choose to not celebrate) need to take Christmas in stride.

this is exactly the BS I'm talking about. Those who "choose not to celebrate". You choose not to celebrate any other holiday from another religion, should they shove it down YOUR throat just because of their geographical location? That's ludicrous and ignorant.

Happy holidays.

I don't follow...You kind of lost me on that one.

I have never shoved Christmas down anyone's throat. I am not even sure how you would do that.

To you, what does "shoving it down their throats" mean? If it just means that they have to see Christmas decorations and hear Christmas songs when in public places, again that is just what Christmastime is and they do need to be tolerant of it or choose to not leave their house this time of year. Or, does it means their employer, who celebrates Christmas and recognizes it by paying their employees holiday pay that day, throws a Christmas party?

There are plenty of things that I choose not to follow or participate in. Things that go on all around me. :?

Do I have the right to ask everyone else to stop participating in activities in front of me that I choose not to participate in?

Franny

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Today at work those that worked their last day before Christmas holidays were walking around the office wishing everyone that is working tomorrow (such as myself) a Merry Christmas.
An Indonesian guy took offense when my co-worked wished him a Merry Christmas and said "I don't celebrate Christmas" in a nasty tone of voice to which my co-worker replied "well.....a Happy New Year then" and told everyone not to wish this guy a Merry Christmas.

Do you guys think it is wrong to wish those that do not celebrate it a Merry Christmas?
Or is this dude just a asshole?
I would say the latter.

No Ireckon he just needs to build a bridge. Seriously if you visit a country, you research thier customs before you and you therefore respect and abide by those customs etc whilst there. If you willing migrate to a country then the same principle applies.

My friend had the JW's rock up on her door xmas morning and they took offence to her telling them to piss off as she found thier preaching to her on her religions holy day to be offensive!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

aNiMaL wrote:

I don't follow...You kind of lost me on that one.

I have never shoved Christmas down anyone's throat. I am not even sure how you would do that.

To you, what does "shoving it down their throats" mean? If it just means that they have to see Christmas decorations and hear Christmas songs when in public places, again that is just what Christmastime is and they do need to be tolerant of it or choose to not leave their house this time of year. Or, does it means their employer, who celebrates Christmas and recognizes it by paying their employees holiday pay that day, throws a Christmas party?

no, it means people saying Merry Christmas to someone who doesn't celebrate it or doesn't believe in it, they say "I don't celebrate it" and saying that person needs to assimilate. I'm not saying you have done this, but many who have posted in this thread have suggested that they need to "suck it up" since it is a North American custom. Which it isn't. We adopted it, but it didn't originate here.

I'm not saying that Christmas should be stopped. I'm not Christian but I still celebrate it as a family holiday to enjoy those around me. I love Christmas, especially now since I have two young daughters. It's magical to them, and I love it.

All I was saying is to try to be a little more sensitive to other cultures. I think the assimilation argument doesn't apply in North America. Exactly which culture does one assimilate to? North American culture is a mixture of about a million different ones, all mashed together.

Hope everyone had a great Christmas/holiday!

Loulou

I see where your coming from but I think by the sounds of it this bloke was quite rude when he said Merry Xmas, that's not neccesary. He should have had the common courtesy to say "Thanks but I don't celebrate it". I don't think that's too hard. Merry Xmas all and for the folks who don't do xmas.......Merry Xmas to me instead!!!!!

Paul David wrote:

aNiMaL wrote:

I don't follow...You kind of lost me on that one.

I have never shoved Christmas down anyone's throat. I am not even sure how you would do that.

To you, what does "shoving it down their throats" mean? If it just means that they have to see Christmas decorations and hear Christmas songs when in public places, again that is just what Christmastime is and they do need to be tolerant of it or choose to not leave their house this time of year. Or, does it means their employer, who celebrates Christmas and recognizes it by paying their employees holiday pay that day, throws a Christmas party?

no, it means people saying Merry Christmas to someone who doesn't celebrate it or doesn't believe in it, they say "I don't celebrate it" and saying that person needs to assimilate. I'm not saying you have done this, but many who have posted in this thread have suggested that they need to "suck it up" since it is a North American custom. Which it isn't. We adopted it, but it didn't originate here.

I'm not saying that Christmas should be stopped. I'm not Christian but I still celebrate it as a family holiday to enjoy those around me. I love Christmas, especially now since I have two young daughters. It's magical to them, and I love it.

All I was saying is to try to be a little more sensitive to other cultures. I think the assimilation argument doesn't apply in North America. Exactly which culture does one assimilate to? North American culture is a mixture of about a million different ones, all mashed together.

Hope everyone had a great Christmas/holiday!

Danimal

Merry Christmas everyone!!!