Why should you get to sexuall harass other men in the shower and shrug it off like, "If you're man enough to be a Marine, you should tolerate my sexuall observing of your genitals."
You shouldn't. Nor would anyone suggest that you should.
Sexual harassment shouldn't be tolerated in any way and if there's a gay guy who leers at the other men he's with... yes.. he's not fit for service. Just like the Neo-Nazi who attacks the Jewish soldiers. But not all white men are Neo-Nazis and not all gay men are creepy perverts. Most, in fact, are not.
You said that a Marine "who couldn't handle some guy taking a sideways glance at his junk" in the shower wasn't "man enough to be a Marine." That is a blatant sexual harrassment scenario, which you suggested a "real man" should tolerate.
Ya, I guess once an active-duty military member decides to be a porn actor, its safe to say that the core value integrity has alread been marginalized...
Gimme a break dude. What are you so afraid of?
I'd love to know what kinds of jobs or things were done extracurricularly by the soldiers who were relieved from duty and charged with all sorts of terrible crimes at Abu Ghraib, or the shitfucks who were exposed by wikileaks that massacred those innocent people on a street in Iraq from a helicopter (including severely injuring two children), or the many many other cases that we hear about of soldiers doing horrible things to the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. I'll bet those folks had a lot of integrity, huh?
I think before they start saying NO to gay pepole in the military, they should find a new way to test some of these peoples abilites to reason that they are letting decide who lives and who dies in another country...
Serious question...So I take it you've NEVER watched porn ? yes/no?
Funny. I didn't know "innocent people" run around with RPGs. You clearly understand nothing about rules of engagement. If you are an American, then no doubt you hate yourself for it, and apologize whenever you get the chance, but I just don't give a shit.
Ya, I guess once an active-duty military member decides to be a porn actor, its safe to say that the core value integrity has alread been marginalized...
Gimme a break dude. What are you so afraid of?
I'd love to know what kinds of jobs or things were done extracurricularly by the soldiers who were relieved from duty and charged with all sorts of terrible crimes at Abu Ghraib, or the shitfucks who were exposed by wikileaks that massacred those innocent people on a street in Iraq from a helicopter (including severely injuring two children), or the many many other cases that we hear about of soldiers doing horrible things to the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. I'll bet those folks had a lot of integrity, huh?
I think before they start saying NO to gay pepole in the military, they should find a new way to test some of these peoples abilites to reason that they are letting decide who lives and who dies in another country...
Serious question...So I take it you've NEVER watched porn ? yes/no?
Funny. I didn't know "innocent people" run around with RPGs. You clearly understand nothing about rules of engagement. If you are an American, then no doubt you hate yourself for it, and apologize whenever you get the chance, but I just don't give a shit.
what? I Never said anything about innocent people with RPGs :roll: -- but I do know that an innocent man who had a CAMERA that was mistaken for an RPG was KILLED on video in Iraq-- so if you're defending those actions, you clearly have no clue about the rules of engagement either. But that takes a lot of integrity to do im sure. I am proud to be an American, but i'm not proud of the pathetic things I hear our millitary taking part of sometimes (now dont get lost here, the pivital word: 'sometimes'), I'm also not pround of the way that gays have been treated unequally. I see it as an embarrasement that we live in such fear of people who are 'differnt'.
Ya, I guess once an active-duty military member decides to be a porn actor, its safe to say that the core value integrity has alread been marginalized...
Gimme a break dude. What are you so afraid of?
I'd love to know what kinds of jobs or things were done extracurricularly by the soldiers who were relieved from duty and charged with all sorts of terrible crimes at Abu Ghraib, or the shitfucks who were exposed by wikileaks that massacred those innocent people on a street in Iraq from a helicopter (including severely injuring two children), or the many many other cases that we hear about of soldiers doing horrible things to the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. I'll bet those folks had a lot of integrity, huh?
I think before they start saying NO to gay pepole in the military, they should find a new way to test some of these peoples abilites to reason that they are letting decide who lives and who dies in another country...
Serious question...So I take it you've NEVER watched porn ? yes/no?
Funny. I didn't know "innocent people" run around with RPGs. You clearly understand nothing about rules of engagement. If you are an American, then no doubt you hate yourself for it, and apologize whenever you get the chance, but I just don't give a shit.
btw, you didnt bother to answer, have you watched porn? yes/no?
You said that a Marine "who couldn't handle some guy taking a sideways glance at his junk" in the shower wasn't "man enough to be a Marine." That is a blatant sexual harrassment scenario, which you suggested a "real man" should tolerate.
I disagree.
One thing I've noticed is that even straight men look at each other in the shower. I've seen my straight friends look at other guys... not in a "sexual" way but just because it's something in front of their faces.
My point is that if that upsets you that much, I'm not sure you're really tough enough to be on the battlefield.
I mean, here you are saying that gay people are asking for "special treatment" when you're asking that the government to protect you from gay men seeing you naked.
I mean really?
I see men naked all the time. Not just at work but at the gym, too. It's just... I mean, I'm gay but I don't have cock on the brain 24/7. Maybe being straight you don't really understand since you don't share a gym locker room with women... seeing naked people isn't that huge a deal.
And.. I mean, just how much time do men spend in the shower in the military anyway?
Many countries have integrated gay men and lesbians into their militaries. And the deaths, disaster and crumbling of the volunteer force hasn't happened in a single one. It's an option I wish had been available to me when I was 18.
You said that a Marine "who couldn't handle some guy taking a sideways glance at his junk" in the shower wasn't "man enough to be a Marine." That is a blatant sexual harrassment scenario, which you suggested a "real man" should tolerate.
I disagree.
One thing I've noticed is that even straight men look at each other in the shower. I've seen my straight friends look at other guys... not in a "sexual" way but just because it's something in front of their faces.
My point is that if that upsets you that much, I'm not sure you're really tough enough to be on the battlefield.
I mean, here you are saying that gay people are asking for "special treatment" when you're asking that the government to protect you from gay men seeing you naked.
I mean really?
I see men naked all the time. Not just at work but at the gym, too. It's just... I mean, I'm gay but I don't have cock on the brain 24/7. Maybe being straight you don't really understand since you don't share a gym locker room with women... seeing naked people isn't that huge a deal.
And.. I mean, just how much time do men spend in the shower in the military anyway?
Many countries have integrated gay men and lesbians into their militaries. And the deaths, disaster and crumbling of the volunteer force hasn't happened in a single one. It's an option I wish had been available to me when I was 18.
Thank you. In one post, you've reiterated your support for sexual harrassment by claiming that expecting a sexual harrassment-free workplace is "asking for special treatment"; and minimalized the crime by suggesting that the time subjected to said behavior is minimal, seeing that a person only showers, what, once or twice a day? No matter what sex, or sexual orientation, your argument is abhorrent and any decent person would tell you that.
you shouldnt really assume just cause someones looking at your junk that they want to jump your bones.or that theyre even interested in doing so. and at what point does a look become a perv?
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Thank you. In one post, you've reiterated your support for sexual harrassment by claiming that texpecting a sexual harrassment-free workplace is "asking for special treatment"; and minimalized the crime by suggesting that the time subjected to said behavior is minimal, seeing that a person only showers, what, once or twice a day? No matter what sex, or sexual orientation, your argument is abhorent and any decent person would tell you that.
Do you have a problem showering with straight guys?
Are you SURE they're straight? You could be showering with closeted-gay men and have no problem with it...but the knowledge that they're gay is what is making you uncomforable. That tells me that it is an internal problem YOU have, not a problem the military should define policy as a result of.
Your moral arguments have been put to bed....I can't believe this has become the crux of your argument. How difficult or costly would it be for the military to put up partion walls in communal showers so that the homophobes don't have to be seen naked? Probably a lot less than one frickin dolphin with lasers. I've seen vids from military camps in Iraq, in which it looks like the showers ARE partioned. I don't know if that's the standard...but if so...your complaint becomes about being seen naked while parading around a dressing room with your junk swingin low....which is your choice. Wear a towel, sheesh.
You said that a Marine "who couldn't handle some guy taking a sideways glance at his junk" in the shower wasn't "man enough to be a Marine." That is a blatant sexual harrassment scenario, which you suggested a "real man" should tolerate.
I disagree.
One thing I've noticed is that even straight men look at each other in the shower. I've seen my straight friends look at other guys... not in a "sexual" way but just because it's something in front of their faces.
My point is that if that upsets you that much, I'm not sure you're really tough enough to be on the battlefield.
I mean, here you are saying that gay people are asking for "special treatment" when you're asking that the government to protect you from gay men seeing you naked.
I mean really?
I see men naked all the time. Not just at work but at the gym, too. It's just... I mean, I'm gay but I don't have cock on the brain 24/7. Maybe being straight you don't really understand since you don't share a gym locker room with women... seeing naked people isn't that huge a deal.
And.. I mean, just how much time do men spend in the shower in the military anyway?
Many countries have integrated gay men and lesbians into their militaries. And the deaths, disaster and crumbling of the volunteer force hasn't happened in a single one. It's an option I wish had been available to me when I was 18.
Thank you. In one post, you've reiterated your support for sexual harrassment by claiming that texpecting a sexual harrassment-free workplace is "asking for special treatment"; and minimalized the crime by suggesting that the time subjected to said behavior is minimal, seeing that a person only showers, what, once or twice a day? No matter what sex, or sexual orientation, your argument is abhorent and any decent person would tell you that.
A bit oversensitive?
If I'm showering with 25 guys and a couple happen to be gay, what the hell difference does it make to me if a gay guy or straight guy glances my way? You'd honestly feel harassed?
Now if the guy was staring at me and acting creepy and stuff, then yes, that is a problem and there should be a punishment for that... no one is saying that should be allowed.
I don't really see what the big problem is... if a soldier hits on another soldier and makes them feel uncomfortable, there should be sexual harassment rules that exist whether it's straight or gay.
And honestly, it's not like a bunch of gay people are going to all of a suddenly enlist now... there were gay people in the army before, but now they just don't have to lie about it.
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Thank you. In one post, you've reiterated your support for sexual harrassment by claiming that texpecting a sexual harrassment-free workplace is "asking for special treatment"; and minimalized the crime by suggesting that the time subjected to said behavior is minimal, seeing that a person only showers, what, once or twice a day? No matter what sex, or sexual orientation, your argument is abhorent and any decent person would tell you that.
Do you have a problem showering with straight guys?
Are you SURE they're straight? You could be showering with closeted-gay men and have no problem with it...but the knowledge that they're gay is what is making you uncomforable. That tells me that it is an internal problem YOU have, not a problem the military should define policy as a result of.
Your moral arguments have been put to bed....I can't believe this has become the crux of your argument. How difficult or costly would it be for the military to put up partion walls in communal showers so that the homophobes don't have to be seen naked? Probably a lot less than one frickin dolphin with lasers. I've seen vids from military camps in Iraq, in which it looks like the showers ARE partioned. I don't know if that's the standard...but if so...your complaint becomes about being seen naked while parading around a dressing room with your junk swingin low....which is your choice. Where a towel, sheesh.
but he shouldnt have to wear a towel.. he should be able to gambol about the showers with his junk 'swinging low'.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Thank you. In one post, you've reiterated your support for sexual harrassment by claiming that texpecting a sexual harrassment-free workplace is "asking for special treatment"; and minimalized the crime by suggesting that the time subjected to said behavior is minimal, seeing that a person only showers, what, once or twice a day? No matter what sex, or sexual orientation, your argument is abhorent and any decent person would tell you that.
Well, no... in many posts, you've made yourself look like a paranoid wuss. Thinking that eye contact from a gay person is "sexual harassment." It's pretty clear you don't know what "sexual harassment" is. Following your logic, girl watching at the beach is "sexual harassment."
My argument isn't abhorrent. And 70% of America agrees with me, so there goes your "any decent person" statement.
Gay people are all perfectly capable of maintaining a professional demeanor in an environment like the military. Your hysterical fears that every gay person wants to rape you are out-dated and laughable caricatures from 1950s "don't let this happen to you" school movies.
If a gay man, straight man or woman, lesbian or otherwise, isn't able to carry out their duty without being a creepy perv, they're out of the military. Do you really need the government to protect you like that?
The "pivotal word" you used was not "sometimes"- it was "hear". You don't know. You "hear". Check your sources.
way to dodge every important point I made..
the fun that is associated with your drivel is running out around here.
yet you still wont answer if you've watched porn. you know the point I am making
You think that someone who directs porn is BELOW you, but you regret to admit that you watch porn yourself, so you are no better than the people who you look down your nose at...
lol, integrity!? thats a funny imaginable high horse I see there.
You said that a Marine "who couldn't handle some guy taking a sideways glance at his junk" in the shower wasn't "man enough to be a Marine." That is a blatant sexual harrassment scenario, which you suggested a "real man" should tolerate.
Blatant sexual hararassment? seriously? wow.
I'm out, i forgot there is a limit to credibility..
Many countries have integrated gay men and lesbians into their militaries. And the deaths, disaster and crumbling of the volunteer force hasn't happened in a single one. It's an option I wish had been available to me when I was 18.[/quote]
Not only that but US military forces serve with British military in Iraq and Canadian military in Afganistan. Both those countries allow openly gay people to serve. So how come you don't here stories about US army guys in those countries freaking out because they were forced to work, or potentially work, with a gay soldier in an actual warzone?
Thank you. In one post, you've reiterated your support for sexual harrassment by claiming that texpecting a sexual harrassment-free workplace is "asking for special treatment"; and minimalized the crime by suggesting that the time subjected to said behavior is minimal, seeing that a person only showers, what, once or twice a day? No matter what sex, or sexual orientation, your argument is abhorent and any decent person would tell you that.
Do you have a problem showering with straight guys?
Are you SURE they're straight? You could be showering with closeted-gay men and have no problem with it...but the knowledge that they're gay is what is making you uncomforable. That tells me that it is an internal problem YOU have, not a problem the military should define policy as a result of.
Your moral arguments have been put to bed....I can't believe this has become the crux of your argument. How difficult or costly would it be for the military to put up partion walls in communal showers so that the homophobes don't have to be seen naked? Probably a lot less than one frickin dolphin with lasers. I've seen vids from military camps in Iraq, in which it looks like the showers ARE partioned. I don't know if that's the standard...but if so...your complaint becomes about being seen naked while parading around a dressing room with your junk swingin low....which is your choice. Wear a towel, sheesh.
another advocate for gay sexual harrassment. I'll just let you, in your infinite wisdom, decide who gets to look at who and when, and who has the right to protection from criminal behavior and who doesn't.
Whatever.
The logistical problem for implementation is real, and will require new facilities for showers, bathrooms and sleeping- both in stateside and deployed locations. It will cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and will take time. I can tell you that if you "come out" right now, or in the next 60 days, you are still subject to court martial. You that out off about what's the big deal? A billion dollar implementation may not be a big deal to people who think studying cow farts and cocaine use in monkeys to stop global warming is a vital use of taxpayer dollars, but to the military, it is a big deal. And you don't just hand out a few towels and say, "eh, whats a little gay sodomy in the workplace? Deal w/ it." In the Age of the Trial Lawyer, every base must be covered so to speak. As Biden would say, "Its a big F'n deal!!"
Thank you. In one post, you've reiterated your support for sexual harrassment by claiming that texpecting a sexual harrassment-free workplace is "asking for special treatment"; and minimalized the crime by suggesting that the time subjected to said behavior is minimal, seeing that a person only showers, what, once or twice a day? No matter what sex, or sexual orientation, your argument is abhorent and any decent person would tell you that.
Well, no... in many posts, you've made yourself look like a paranoid wuss. Thinking that eye contact from a gay person is "sexual harassment." It's pretty clear you don't know what "sexual harassment" is. Following your logic, girl watching at the beach is "sexual harassment."
My argument isn't abhorrent. And 70% of America agrees with me, so there goes your "any decent person" statement.
Gay people are all perfectly capable of maintaining a professional demeanor in an environment like the military. Your hysterical fears that every gay person wants to rape you are out-dated and laughable caricatures from 1950s "don't let this happen to you" school movies.
If a gay man, straight man or woman, lesbian or otherwise, isn't able to carry out their duty without being a creepy perv, they're out of the military. Do you really need the government to protect you like that?
You didnt say "EYE CONTACT". You said "SOME GUY (implying a gay Marine) WANTS TO TAKE A SIDEWAYS GLANCE AT YOUR JUNK".
Now you're describing behavior that in no way approaches the sexual harrsssment that you initially described- don't twist it now. Just say that its wrong for anyone to do it- EVER- regardless of sex, sex orientation, etc.
You know that is right....
I, in no way, feel or have expressed "hysterical fears that every gay person wants to rape (me)", as you said. I've said nothing of the kind. You're trying to distract from a post you probably wish you'd said differently, b/c sex.harass. is WRONG all the time.
You said that a Marine "who couldn't handle some guy taking a sideways glance at his junk" in the shower wasn't "man enough to be a Marine." That is a blatant sexual harrassment scenario, which you suggested a "real man" should tolerate.
Blatant sexual hararassment? seriously? wow.
I'm out, i forgot there is a limit to credibility..
Sexual harrasssment is defined by the victim, not the aggressor. If you're unsure, look up the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)- you can read for yourself.
You act all offended, like I made up the fckn law myself. geez.... If you want credibility, read a book before getting your panties twisted, then you might have some facts in your head, which fosters understanding, and replaces fear of the unknown; that is to say, ignorance.
I wonder how many cases there are of gay men looking at each other in the shower now, seeing as there are gay men and women. I don't see how its a problem, I'm a 19 year old straight male, and there have been some cases where female friends and I have to change in the same room (going out from a hotel party, etc...). Have any one of them ever felt violated by me being there? No. They're fucking tits. If I can keep it under control while drunk, I'd bet that 99.99% of people can keep it under control when in a military situation.
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You said that a Marine "who couldn't handle some guy taking a sideways glance at his junk" in the shower wasn't "man enough to be a Marine." That is a blatant sexual harrassment scenario, which you suggested a "real man" should tolerate.
Blatant sexual hararassment? seriously? wow.
I'm out, i forgot there is a limit to credibility..
Sexual harrasssment is defined by the victim, not the aggressor. If you're unsure, look up the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)- you can read for yourself.
You act all offended, like I made up the fckn law myself. geez.... If you want credibility, read a book before getting your panties twisted, then you might have some facts in your head, which fosters understanding, and replaces fear of the unknown; that is to say, ignorance.
Of course it is defined by the victim, but if someone "claims" they've been sexually harrassed becuase someone looked at them, they arent likely going to get anywhere with that.
In one post you're talking about gay soldiers threatening to sue and shit over their treatment, and the next sentence, you are talking about a soldier claiming blatant sexual harrassment for someone glancing at them? Just sounds twisted man.
I wonder how many cases there are of gay men looking at each other in the shower now, seeing as there are gay men and women. I don't see how its a problem, I'm a 19 year old straight male, and there have been some cases where female friends and I have to change in the same room (going out from a hotel party, etc...). Have any one of them ever felt violated by me being there? No. They're fucking tits. If I can keep it under control while drunk, I'd bet that 99.99% of people can keep it under control when in a military situation.
Oh. Ok. Well as long as keeponrockin can manage not to nut himself when one of his girlfriends that likes him, but doesn't "like him, like him" changes clothes- ya, that's all the study we needed. Shit, I was worried implementing the largest policy change since the integration of women into the military would be a logistical and legal nightmare... phew! what a relief. Christ.
responding to scenario presented by JasunMark- not my own. THAT scenario was NOT "someone looking at them" as you put it, or "eye contact", as Jasonmark tried to change it to later. Re-read the origin of this.
Is there an eight yr old out there that can teach me how to quote properly? I suck.
responding to scenario presented by JasunMark- not my own. THAT scenario was NOT "someone looking at them" as you put it, or "eye contact", as Jasonmark tried to change it to later. Re-read the origin of this.
Is there an eight yr old out there that can teach me how to quote properly? I suck.
(There's a 'qoute' button at the top right of each post)
I figure if just having some guy take a sideways glance at your junk is going to upset you that much, you're probably not man enough to be a marine anyway.
That's not goin to stand up as blatant sexual harrassment as you said.
I wonder how many cases there are of gay men looking at each other in the shower now, seeing as there are gay men and women. I don't see how its a problem, I'm a 19 year old straight male, and there have been some cases where female friends and I have to change in the same room (going out from a hotel party, etc...). Have any one of them ever felt violated by me being there? No. They're fucking tits. If I can keep it under control while drunk, I'd bet that 99.99% of people can keep it under control when in a military situation.
Oh. Ok. Well as long as keeponrockin can manage not to nut himself when one of his girlfriends that likes him, but doesn't "like him, like him" changes clothes- ya, that's all the study we needed. Shit, I was worried implementing the largest policy change since the integration of women into the military would be a logistical and legal nightmare... phew! what a relief. Christ.
I'm not saying that it's the be all and end all, I believe most people could handle their shit in this sort of situation...
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You said that a Marine "who couldn't handle some guy taking a sideways glance at his junk" in the shower wasn't "man enough to be a Marine." That is a blatant sexual harrassment scenario, which you suggested a "real man" should tolerate.
I disagree.
Funny. I didn't know "innocent people" run around with RPGs. You clearly understand nothing about rules of engagement. If you are an American, then no doubt you hate yourself for it, and apologize whenever you get the chance, but I just don't give a shit.
what? I Never said anything about innocent people with RPGs :roll: -- but I do know that an innocent man who had a CAMERA that was mistaken for an RPG was KILLED on video in Iraq-- so if you're defending those actions, you clearly have no clue about the rules of engagement either.
btw, you didnt bother to answer, have you watched porn? yes/no?
One thing I've noticed is that even straight men look at each other in the shower. I've seen my straight friends look at other guys... not in a "sexual" way but just because it's something in front of their faces.
My point is that if that upsets you that much, I'm not sure you're really tough enough to be on the battlefield.
I mean, here you are saying that gay people are asking for "special treatment" when you're asking that the government to protect you from gay men seeing you naked.
I mean really?
I see men naked all the time. Not just at work but at the gym, too. It's just... I mean, I'm gay but I don't have cock on the brain 24/7. Maybe being straight you don't really understand since you don't share a gym locker room with women... seeing naked people isn't that huge a deal.
And.. I mean, just how much time do men spend in the shower in the military anyway?
Many countries have integrated gay men and lesbians into their militaries. And the deaths, disaster and crumbling of the volunteer force hasn't happened in a single one. It's an option I wish had been available to me when I was 18.
The "pivotal word" you used was not "sometimes"- it was "hear". You don't know. You "hear". Check your sources.
Thank you. In one post, you've reiterated your support for sexual harrassment by claiming that expecting a sexual harrassment-free workplace is "asking for special treatment"; and minimalized the crime by suggesting that the time subjected to said behavior is minimal, seeing that a person only showers, what, once or twice a day? No matter what sex, or sexual orientation, your argument is abhorrent and any decent person would tell you that.
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Are you SURE they're straight? You could be showering with closeted-gay men and have no problem with it...but the knowledge that they're gay is what is making you uncomforable. That tells me that it is an internal problem YOU have, not a problem the military should define policy as a result of.
Your moral arguments have been put to bed....I can't believe this has become the crux of your argument. How difficult or costly would it be for the military to put up partion walls in communal showers so that the homophobes don't have to be seen naked? Probably a lot less than one frickin dolphin with lasers. I've seen vids from military camps in Iraq, in which it looks like the showers ARE partioned. I don't know if that's the standard...but if so...your complaint becomes about being seen naked while parading around a dressing room with your junk swingin low....which is your choice. Wear a towel, sheesh.
A bit oversensitive?
If I'm showering with 25 guys and a couple happen to be gay, what the hell difference does it make to me if a gay guy or straight guy glances my way? You'd honestly feel harassed?
Now if the guy was staring at me and acting creepy and stuff, then yes, that is a problem and there should be a punishment for that... no one is saying that should be allowed.
I don't really see what the big problem is... if a soldier hits on another soldier and makes them feel uncomfortable, there should be sexual harassment rules that exist whether it's straight or gay.
And honestly, it's not like a bunch of gay people are going to all of a suddenly enlist now... there were gay people in the army before, but now they just don't have to lie about it.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
but he shouldnt have to wear a towel.. he should be able to gambol about the showers with his junk 'swinging low'.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Well, no... in many posts, you've made yourself look like a paranoid wuss. Thinking that eye contact from a gay person is "sexual harassment." It's pretty clear you don't know what "sexual harassment" is. Following your logic, girl watching at the beach is "sexual harassment."
My argument isn't abhorrent. And 70% of America agrees with me, so there goes your "any decent person" statement.
Gay people are all perfectly capable of maintaining a professional demeanor in an environment like the military. Your hysterical fears that every gay person wants to rape you are out-dated and laughable caricatures from 1950s "don't let this happen to you" school movies.
If a gay man, straight man or woman, lesbian or otherwise, isn't able to carry out their duty without being a creepy perv, they're out of the military. Do you really need the government to protect you like that?
Damnit, you quoted my glaring spelling mistake. Thanks for not correcting me
its like guys slapping other guys arses is ONLY allowable in a sporting type situation. for encouragement and congratulations.
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Back in college when I played football, I was always getting in trouble for penetrating deep into the wide receiver's end zone.
And I got sacked a LOT. Never understood why people were so grumpy about that.
i bet you were a tight end.
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I refuse to answer that question on the basis that I've already had a talking-to about going off topic. :evil:
ill take that as a yes.
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i just need to say
way to dodge every important point I made..
the fun that is associated with your drivel is running out around here.
yet you still wont answer if you've watched porn. you know the point I am making
You think that someone who directs porn is BELOW you, but you regret to admit that you watch porn yourself, so you are no better than the people who you look down your nose at...
lol, integrity!? thats a funny imaginable high horse I see there.
Blatant sexual hararassment? seriously? wow.
I'm out, i forgot there is a limit to credibility..
Not only that but US military forces serve with British military in Iraq and Canadian military in Afganistan. Both those countries allow openly gay people to serve. So how come you don't here stories about US army guys in those countries freaking out because they were forced to work, or potentially work, with a gay soldier in an actual warzone?
another advocate for gay sexual harrassment. I'll just let you, in your infinite wisdom, decide who gets to look at who and when, and who has the right to protection from criminal behavior and who doesn't.
Whatever.
The logistical problem for implementation is real, and will require new facilities for showers, bathrooms and sleeping- both in stateside and deployed locations. It will cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and will take time. I can tell you that if you "come out" right now, or in the next 60 days, you are still subject to court martial. You that out off about what's the big deal? A billion dollar implementation may not be a big deal to people who think studying cow farts and cocaine use in monkeys to stop global warming is a vital use of taxpayer dollars, but to the military, it is a big deal. And you don't just hand out a few towels and say, "eh, whats a little gay sodomy in the workplace? Deal w/ it." In the Age of the Trial Lawyer, every base must be covered so to speak. As Biden would say, "Its a big F'n deal!!"
You didnt say "EYE CONTACT". You said "SOME GUY (implying a gay Marine) WANTS TO TAKE A SIDEWAYS GLANCE AT YOUR JUNK".
Now you're describing behavior that in no way approaches the sexual harrsssment that you initially described- don't twist it now. Just say that its wrong for anyone to do it- EVER- regardless of sex, sex orientation, etc.
You know that is right....
I, in no way, feel or have expressed "hysterical fears that every gay person wants to rape (me)", as you said. I've said nothing of the kind. You're trying to distract from a post you probably wish you'd said differently, b/c sex.harass. is WRONG all the time.
Sexual harrasssment is defined by the victim, not the aggressor. If you're unsure, look up the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)- you can read for yourself.
You act all offended, like I made up the fckn law myself. geez.... If you want credibility, read a book before getting your panties twisted, then you might have some facts in your head, which fosters understanding, and replaces fear of the unknown; that is to say, ignorance.
Sneak a peek?
http://www.tbs.com/video/index/0,,72933||,00.html
Of course it is defined by the victim, but if someone "claims" they've been sexually harrassed becuase someone looked at them, they arent likely going to get anywhere with that.
In one post you're talking about gay soldiers threatening to sue and shit over their treatment, and the next sentence, you are talking about a soldier claiming blatant sexual harrassment for someone glancing at them? Just sounds twisted man.
Still watch porn? haha
Oh. Ok. Well as long as keeponrockin can manage not to nut himself when one of his girlfriends that likes him, but doesn't "like him, like him" changes clothes- ya, that's all the study we needed. Shit, I was worried implementing the largest policy change since the integration of women into the military would be a logistical and legal nightmare... phew! what a relief. Christ.
responding to scenario presented by JasunMark- not my own. THAT scenario was NOT "someone looking at them" as you put it, or "eye contact", as Jasonmark tried to change it to later. Re-read the origin of this.
Is there an eight yr old out there that can teach me how to quote properly? I suck.
(There's a 'qoute' button at the top right of each post)
Here's what JasunMark Said:
That's not goin to stand up as blatant sexual harrassment as you said.