I'm pretty damn certain that they can handle knowing that they have a gay guy in their tent... chances are they knew the guy was gay anyhow.
I never really understood what people were afraid of. Are hetero soldiers afraid that a gay soldier is going to assualt them in the barracks, or in the washroom at the officers club? If that is the case logically you shoud completely segrate the military so that people aren't afraid of men assualting women or vice versa. Or are people afraid that a gay soldier might be checking out a straight soldier in the shower and make him feel uncomfortable. If that is the case changing and showering at a local gym would be a way bigger risk. And really why would most people assume that someone would want to check them out in the shower, I am a straight guy and probably the majority of women out there I wouldn't be interested in seeing in the shower.
I don't get it either... apparently the feeling is that gay guys can't control their urges or something? I think it's pretty egotistical (and delusional) that just because you are a dude, all gay guys want you.
It's funny, a goalie that played for our mens league hockey team for a couple of seasons (and filled in for years) is gay... watching how some people in the locker room acted when he was around cracked me up. Some guys either rushed to get in the shower before him, or waited until he was done. I've seen myself naked plenty of times, and I'm pretty confident that he wasn't going to be checking me out lol.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I'm pretty damn certain that they can handle knowing that they have a gay guy in their tent... chances are they knew the guy was gay anyhow.
I never really understood what people were afraid of. Are hetero soldiers afraid that a gay soldier is going to assualt them in the barracks, or in the washroom at the officers club? If that is the case logically you shoud completely segrate the military so that people aren't afraid of men assualting women or vice versa. Or are people afraid that a gay soldier might be checking out a straight soldier in the shower and make him feel uncomfortable. If that is the case changing and showering at a local gym would be a way bigger risk. And really why would most people assume that someone would want to check them out in the shower, I am a straight guy and probably the majority of women out there I wouldn't be interested in seeing in the shower.
I don't get it either... apparently the feeling is that gay guys can't control their urges or something? I think it's pretty egotistical (and delusional) that just because you are a dude, all gay guys want you.
It's funny, a goalie that played for our mens league hockey team for a couple of seasons (and filled in for years) is gay... watching how some people in the locker room acted when he was around cracked me up. Some guys either rushed to get in the shower before him, or waited until he was done. I've seen myself naked plenty of times, and I'm pretty confident that he wasn't going to be checking me out lol.
I asked a friend of mine in the navy last night what he thought about it, the fact that the gay military men are gay ain't so much of a problem they can kinda tell who is and who is not gay anyway...no big deal, one of the problems is liberty off the ship there is no rooming with a female....see where this is going ?
so anyway it sounds to me like a double standard of rules that sparks a little controversy but he did tell me that most military members agree with the don't ask don't tell rule.
I foresee new lawsuits, “he made me do more sit ups than the rest because I’m gay” when the real reason is he or she sucked as a solder Will an accident by friendly fire become a hate crime?
Maybe they should have let the enlisted vote on this one… but now once again we have the politicians in there comfortable rooms making decisions for the solders on the battled field…
They can’t seem to handle the real problems so they waste time with this……
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I foresee new lawsuits, “he made me do more sit ups than the rest because I’m gay” when the real reason is he or she sucked as a solder Will an accident by friendly fire become a hate crime?
Maybe they should have let the enlisted vote on this one… but now once again we have the politicians in there comfortable rooms making decisions for the solders on the battled field…
They can’t seem to handle the real problems so they waste time with this……
Disagree. This is a civil rights issue.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
I think it's a bunch of crap, if a man wants everybody to know he enjoys sex with other men why does it have to be a military issue,DADT was just fine this "we're queer and we're here" is getting a annoying.
freekin weird in my opinion.
I think it's a bunch of crap, if a man wants everybody to know he enjoys sex with other men why does it have to be a military issue,DADT was just fine this "we're queer and we're here" is getting a annoying.
freekin weird in my opinion.
Godfather.
you need to ask yourself why it's weird to you ... why is it weird that something that is pretty much a non-issue with every other NATO nation is a problem for you ... ??
I think it's a bunch of crap, if a man wants everybody to know he enjoys sex with other men why does it have to be a military issue,DADT was just fine this "we're queer and we're here" is getting a annoying.
freekin weird in my opinion.
Godfather.
you need to ask yourself why it's weird to you ... why is it weird that something that is pretty much a non-issue with every other NATO nation is a problem for you ... ??
I am wondering why it is an issue too. I mean the US military totally likes to play it up like they have the toughest most badass service people on the planet. But if these people are so badass, why wouldn't they be able to handle working with a homosexual?
I think it's a bunch of crap, if a man wants everybody to know he enjoys sex with other men why does it have to be a military issue,DADT was just fine this "we're queer and we're here" is getting a annoying.
freekin weird in my opinion.
Godfather.
you need to ask yourself why it's weird to you ... why is it weird that something that is pretty much a non-issue with every other NATO nation is a problem for you ... ??
I am wondering why it is an issue too. I mean the US military totally likes to play it up like they have the toughest most badass service people on the planet. But if these people are so badass, why wouldn't they be able to handle working with a homosexual?
1. Man-in man sodomy is now accepted in the US military.
2. Russia and China must be laughing their asses off.
3. It's a fucking disgrace.
And all you man-loving-boy hippies can STFU cause I don't want to hear your liberal bitchin. :twisted:
As I was watching clips from a recent hearing on this (like a month ago), the first thing I noticed about all of those who were speaking out against repealing this law, were how old they were. Yes, it was in the senate, so most of the people were shriveled up old white dudes, but I just got me thinking how much of a generational issues this is.
I'm 36, and I don't think I personally know one person around my age who is against repealing this law (or even gay marriage). A couple generations from now when the old, anti-gay crowd is pretty much gone, it will be names like John McCain, which will be shown as the example of people who were behind the times, like Strom Thurmond and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
I've never served in the military, but seeing what we ask these young men and women to endure - the stress, the danger, the heat, the unsanitary conditions, the time away form families, etc... If they can handle most of that, I'm pretty damn certain that they can handle knowing that they have a gay guy in their tent... chances are they knew the guy was gay anyhow.
I like what you say here BlackRedYellow, and I was begining to think you made a great point, but then I read some of the comments that even people in here (who I assume are younger than McCain) said... they say its a disgrace that some people should be treated equally, and all I can imagine is that their great grandparents are alive inside of them and that some will just never break out of the rut of narrowmindedness.
I think it's a bunch of crap, if a man wants everybody to know he enjoys sex with other men why does it have to be a military issue,DADT was just fine this "we're queer and we're here" is getting a annoying.
freekin weird in my opinion.
Godfather.
you need to ask yourself why it's weird to you ... why is it weird that something that is pretty much a non-issue with every other NATO nation is a problem for you ... ??
I just can't understand why men or women for that matter would have same sex and want to marry, have you seen those gay parades with the guys dressed up in freaky drag clothing, sorry it's just one of those things I can't get used to, it grosses me out and to me it's just not natural and not the way I grew up.
I think it's a bunch of crap, if a man wants everybody to know he enjoys sex with other men why does it have to be a military issue,DADT was just fine this "we're queer and we're here" is getting a annoying.
freekin weird in my opinion.
Godfather.
you need to ask yourself why it's weird to you ... why is it weird that something that is pretty much a non-issue with every other NATO nation is a problem for you ... ??
I am wondering why it is an issue too. I mean the US military totally likes to play it up like they have the toughest most badass service people on the planet. But if these people are so badass, why wouldn't they be able to handle working with a homosexual?
having sex with another man is not badass....gross !
I just can't understand why men or women for that matter would have same sex and want to marry, have you seen those gay parades with the guys dressed up in freaky drag clothing, sorry it's just one of those things I can't get used to, it grosses me out and to me it's just not natural and not the way I grew up.
have you seen those gay parades with the guys dressed up in freaky drag clothing, sorry it's just one of those things I can't get used to, it grosses me out and to me it's just not natural and not the way I grew up.
Godfather.
The problem I have with this is that you are basing what you know and your personal experiences, (which sounds limited) with the entire gay community. Your personal experiences with flambouyant gay men at parades is not representative of the gay community. That would be like saying I saw a halloween parade and now I assume all the people in my town are zombies.
My grandfather was a racist bigot. He couldn't get over equal rights issues with blacks. I'm not disgusted or anything with him, it was just that he was a narrow-minded, ethnocentric, simple man who lived in the past.
Some people on this board will be remembered by their grandchildren in the same manner, but in regards to gay rights.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
I just can't understand why men or women for that matter would have same sex and want to marry, have you seen those gay parades with the guys dressed up in freaky drag clothing, sorry it's just one of those things I can't get used to, it grosses me out and to me it's just not natural and not the way I grew up.
Godfather.
do you think two women having sex is gross?
to me it's wrong even as socially accepted as it is,and I seen some gals that gross me out too all dressed up and looking like men (I work with a few)
as nice as they are and we are friends I still don't agree with their life ...or ..alturnitive life style...what ever you want to call it.
a woman I have know for years is bi and she is what she is and as a friend I love her very much but I still don't understand or agree with her life style.
this just the way I see life and will not change my values because other people tell me it's ok.
I foresee new lawsuits, “he made me do more sit ups than the rest because I’m gay” when the real reason is he or she sucked as a solder Will an accident by friendly fire become a hate crime?
Maybe they should have let the enlisted vote on this one… but now once again we have the politicians in there comfortable rooms making decisions for the solders on the battled field…
They can’t seem to handle the real problems so they waste time with this……
Disagree. This is a civil rights issue.
Is it a civil right to have sex with animals, your children, I mean is it anything goes when related to sex?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I just can't understand why men or women for that matter would have same sex and want to marry, have you seen those gay parades with the guys dressed up in freaky drag clothing, sorry it's just one of those things I can't get used to, it grosses me out and to me it's just not natural and not the way I grew up.
Godfather.
do you think two women having sex is gross?
to me it's wrong even as socially accepted as it is,and I seen some gals that gross me out too all dressed up and looking like men (I work a few)
as nice as they are and we are friends I still don't agree with their life ...or ..alturnitive life style...what ever you want to call it.
a woman I have know for years is bi and she is what she is and as a friend I love her very much but I still don't understand or agree with her life style.
this just the way I see life and will not change my values because other people tell me it's ok.
Godfather.
Values? Isn't that another word for bigot on the MT :shock:
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I foresee new lawsuits, “he made me do more sit ups than the rest because I’m gay” when the real reason is he or she sucked as a solder Will an accident by friendly fire become a hate crime?
Maybe they should have let the enlisted vote on this one… but now once again we have the politicians in there comfortable rooms making decisions for the solders on the battled field…
They can’t seem to handle the real problems so they waste time with this……
Disagree. This is a civil rights issue.
Is it a civil right to have sex with animals, your children, I mean is it anything goes when related to sex?
or is it anything goes with civil rights ?
great question aerial !
why is it that when bigots talk about gay sex, they bring in beastiality and sex with children into the argument? It really says quite a lot about your ignorance when you think that two consenting adults having sex is tantamount to raping a defenseless creature or human.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
why is it that when bigots talk about gay sex, they bring in beastiality and sex with children into the argument? It really says quite a lot about your ignorance when you think that two consenting adults having sex is tantamount to raping a defenseless creature or human.
I was not talking children I meant adult children. There are people out there that feel they have the right to marry there children or parents. My main question is "is there right and wrong" or is it just a matter of opinions?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I was not talking children I meant adult children. There are people out there that feel they have the right to marry there children or parents. My main question is "is there right and wrong" or is it just a matter of opinions?
"I was not talking children I meant adult children" ... huh? :?
"is there right and wrong?" Good question. I think there is no universal right and wrong when we talk about values or beliefs, except for anything that involves harming others. Obviously that is "wrong." "Do what thou wilt and harm none." Harming others does not include hurting someone's feelings because you have a differnet belief system.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
I foresee new lawsuits, “he made me do more sit ups than the rest because I’m gay” when the real reason is he or she sucked as a solder Will an accident by friendly fire become a hate crime?
Maybe they should have let the enlisted vote on this one… but now once again we have the politicians in there comfortable rooms making decisions for the solders on the battled field…
They can’t seem to handle the real problems so they waste time with this……
Disagree. This is a civil rights issue.
Is it a civil right to have sex with animals, your children, I mean is it anything goes when related to sex?
mike huckabee, is this you??
he is a prominent right winger who has gone on record comparing gay sex to beastiality...
you need to ask yourself why it's weird to you ... why is it weird that something that is pretty much a non-issue with every other NATO nation is a problem for you ... ??
I am wondering why it is an issue too. I mean the US military totally likes to play it up like they have the toughest most badass service people on the planet. But if these people are so badass, why wouldn't they be able to handle working with a homosexual?
having sex with another man is not badass....gross !
Godfather.
So are you saying that if another country wanted to invade the US all they would have to do is form an army of openly gay dudes, and US soldiers would be so freaked out or grossed out by gay people that they wouldn't be able to fight back? Because when people talk about how soldiers would be uncomfortble around other openly gay soldiers that's kind of what I think of.
I foresee new lawsuits, “he made me do more sit ups than the rest because I’m gay” when the real reason is he or she sucked as a solder Will an accident by friendly fire become a hate crime?
Maybe they should have let the enlisted vote on this one… but now once again we have the politicians in there comfortable rooms making decisions for the solders on the battled field…
They can’t seem to handle the real problems so they waste time with this……
Disagree. This is a civil rights issue.
Is it a civil right to have sex with animals, your children, I mean is it anything goes when related to sex?
Sex with children and animals is illegal. Being in a consenting homosexual relationship is not.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
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I don't get it either... apparently the feeling is that gay guys can't control their urges or something? I think it's pretty egotistical (and delusional) that just because you are a dude, all gay guys want you.
It's funny, a goalie that played for our mens league hockey team for a couple of seasons (and filled in for years) is gay... watching how some people in the locker room acted when he was around cracked me up. Some guys either rushed to get in the shower before him, or waited until he was done. I've seen myself naked plenty of times, and I'm pretty confident that he wasn't going to be checking me out lol.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I asked a friend of mine in the navy last night what he thought about it, the fact that the gay military men are gay ain't so much of a problem they can kinda tell who is and who is not gay anyway...no big deal, one of the problems is liberty off the ship there is no rooming with a female....see where this is going ?
so anyway it sounds to me like a double standard of rules that sparks a little controversy but he did tell me that most military members agree with the don't ask don't tell rule.
Godfather.
Maybe they should have let the enlisted vote on this one… but now once again we have the politicians in there comfortable rooms making decisions for the solders on the battled field…
They can’t seem to handle the real problems so they waste time with this……
it really begs the question ... what really is the issue here? ... what is the real problem in the land of freedom and liberty?
freekin weird in my opinion.
Godfather.
you need to ask yourself why it's weird to you ... why is it weird that something that is pretty much a non-issue with every other NATO nation is a problem for you ... ??
I am wondering why it is an issue too. I mean the US military totally likes to play it up like they have the toughest most badass service people on the planet. But if these people are so badass, why wouldn't they be able to handle working with a homosexual?
1. Man-in man sodomy is now accepted in the US military.
2. Russia and China must be laughing their asses off.
3. It's a fucking disgrace.
And all you man-loving-boy hippies can STFU cause I don't want to hear your liberal bitchin. :twisted:
I like what you say here BlackRedYellow, and I was begining to think you made a great point, but then I read some of the comments that even people in here (who I assume are younger than McCain) said... they say its a disgrace that some people should be treated equally, and all I can imagine is that their great grandparents are alive inside of them and that some will just never break out of the rut of narrowmindedness.
Godfather.
having sex with another man is not badass....gross !
Godfather.
do you think two women having sex is gross?
The problem I have with this is that you are basing what you know and your personal experiences, (which sounds limited) with the entire gay community. Your personal experiences with flambouyant gay men at parades is not representative of the gay community. That would be like saying I saw a halloween parade and now I assume all the people in my town are zombies.
Some people on this board will be remembered by their grandchildren in the same manner, but in regards to gay rights.
to me it's wrong even as socially accepted as it is,and I seen some gals that gross me out too all dressed up and looking like men (I work with a few)
as nice as they are and we are friends I still don't agree with their life ...or ..alturnitive life style...what ever you want to call it.
a woman I have know for years is bi and she is what she is and as a friend I love her very much but I still don't understand or agree with her life style.
this just the way I see life and will not change my values because other people tell me it's ok.
Godfather.
or is it anything goes with civil rights ?
great question aerial !
Godfather.
well then by your definition are you a bigot also ?
Godfather.
umm... no... because I don't assume my values are superior to anyone else's, including yours (which is hard to do).
"I was not talking children I meant adult children" ... huh? :?
"is there right and wrong?" Good question. I think there is no universal right and wrong when we talk about values or beliefs, except for anything that involves harming others. Obviously that is "wrong." "Do what thou wilt and harm none." Harming others does not include hurting someone's feelings because you have a differnet belief system.
nice one
Godfather.
he is a prominent right winger who has gone on record comparing gay sex to beastiality...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/1 ... d=11044022
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
So are you saying that if another country wanted to invade the US all they would have to do is form an army of openly gay dudes, and US soldiers would be so freaked out or grossed out by gay people that they wouldn't be able to fight back? Because when people talk about how soldiers would be uncomfortble around other openly gay soldiers that's kind of what I think of.
don't give em any ideas ... their intolerance has no boundaries ...