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  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    Jason P wrote:
    tonifig8 wrote:
    Damn! Hope this isn't an attack on their site! We need the bank industry info released!
    The thought of a bank getting turned upside-down for their shenanigans sounds great, but who will end up suffering the most if one of the biggest financial institutions collapses? The banks are not the ones suffering for their greed throughout the 90's and aughts. I doubt they will be the ones that suffer if Assange's claims are true.

    true, indeed.

    we were talking about this at the dinner table.

    "is it more damaging to world stability, if the "little people...us." live in a fog?

    people need to simply clean their own house....and stop attempting to clean others.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    Byrnzie wrote:
    tonifig8 wrote:
    Damn! Hope this isn't an attack on their site! We need the bank industry info released!


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... ers-amazon

    WikiLeaks website pulled by Amazon after US political pressure

    Site hosting leaked US embassy cables is ousted from American servers as senator calls for boycott of WikiLeaks by companies


    Ewen MacAskill in Washington
    The Guardian, Thursday 2 December 2010


    The US struck its first blow against WikiLeaks after Amazon.com pulled the plug on hosting the whistleblowing website in reaction to heavy political pressure.

    The company announced it was cutting WikiLeaks off yesterday only 24 hours after being contacted by the staff of Joe Lieberman, chairman of the Senate's committee on homeland security.

    WikiLeaks expressed disappointment with Amazon, and insisted it was a breach of freedom of speech as enshrined in the US constitution's first amendment. The organisation, in a message sent via Twitter, said if Amazon was "so uncomfortable with the first amendment, they should get out of the business of selling books."

    While freedom of speech is a sensitive issue in the US, scope for a full-blown row is limited, given that Democrats and Republicans will largely applaud Amazon's move. Previously a fully fledged Democrat, Lieberman won re-election to the Senate in 2006 as an independent; his status is that of an independent, albeit with continued close associations with the Democratic party's Senate contingent.

    The question is whether he was acting on his own or pressed to do so by the Obama administration, and how much pressure was applied to Amazon.

    Although there are echoes of the censorship row between Google and China earlier this year, constitutional lawyers insisted it was not a first amendment issue because Amazon is a private company, free to make its own decisions.

    The WikiLeaks main website and a sub-site devoted to the diplomatic documents were unavailable from the US and Europe yesterday, as Amazon servers refused to acknowledge requests for data. WikiLeaks switched to a host in Sweden.

    Lieberman said: "[Amazon's] decision to cut off WikiLeaks now is the right decision and should set the standard for other companies WikiLeaks is using to distribute its illegally seized material. I call on any other company or organisation that is hosting WikiLeaks to immediately terminate its relationship with them."

    The department of homeland security confirmed Amazon's move, referring journalists to Lieberman's statement.

    Kevin Bankston, a lawyer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which supports internet freedom, said it was not a violation of the first amendment but was nevertheless disappointing. "This certainly implicates first amendment rights to the extent that web hosts may, based on direct or informal pressure, limit the materials the American public has a first amendment right to access," Bankston told the website Talking Points Memo.

    The development came amid angry and polarised political opinion in America over WikiLeaks, with some conservatives calling for the organisation's founder, Julian Assange, to be executed as a spy.

    The fury building up among rightwingers in the US, ranging from the potential Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee to conservative blogsites such as Red State, contrasted with a measured response from the Obama administration. The White House, the state department and the Pentagon continued to denounce the leaks, describing them as "despicable". But senior administration officials, with a sense of weary resignation, also called on people to put the leaks into context and insisted they had not done serious damage to US relations.

    The White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, shrugged aside as "ridiculous" a call by Assange, interviewed by Time magazine, via Skype from an undisclosed location, for the resignation of the secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, over an order to spy on the United Nations. "I'm not entirely sure why we care about the opinion of one guy with one website," Gibbs said. "Our foreign policy and the interests of this country are far stronger than his one website."

    John Kerry, the Democratic head of the Senate foreign relations committee, on Sunday denounced the leaks but he sounded more sanguine at an event in Washington on Tuesday night. He said there was a "silver lining" in that it was now clear where everyone stood on Iran. "Things that I have heard from the mouths of King Abdullah [of Saudi Arabia] and Hosni Mubarak [Egyptian president] and others are now quite public," Kerry said. He went on to say there was a "consensus on Iran".

    But others, particularly rightwingers, are seeking retribution, with Assange as the prime target. Legal experts in the US were divided over whether the US could successfully prosecute Assange under the 1917 espionage act. Sceptics said the US protections for journalists would make such a prosecution difficult and also cited pragmatic issues, such as the difficulty of extraditing Assange, an Australian.

    Huckabee, who was among the contenders for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 and is likely to stand again in 2012, told the Politico website: "Whoever in our government leaked that information is guilty of treason, and I think anything less than execution is too kind a penalty."

    His later comments suggest he had in mind Bradley Manning, the US private in Iraq who is suspected of leaking the information and is under arrest in Virginia, rather than Assange.

    Typical of attacks on Assange is a blog by lexington_concord on Red State, a popular rightwing site, in which the writers says Assange is a spy.

    "Under the traditional rules of engagement he is thus subject to summary execution and my preferred course of action would [be] for Assange to find a small calibre round in the back of his head."

    • This article was amended on 2 December 2010. The original said: Joe Lieberman, though an independent, is a former Republican who switched to the Democrats last year. This has been corrected.


    WTF!!! Shame on these "Americans" - Joe you Mother F'er! The info will get out one way or another- I'm pretty sure their protocol is set up and ready for the next move- This shut down shouldn't come as a surprise - The cyber war is before us!

    http://twitter.com/wikileaks
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    tonifig8 wrote:
    WTF!!! Shame on these "Americans" - Joe you Mother F'er! The info will get out one way or another- I'm pretty sure their protocol is set up and ready for the next move- This shut down shouldn't come as a surprise - The cyber war is before us!

    http://twitter.com/wikileaks
    I do find it ironic that a former hacker is complaining about having his site hacked.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    Jason P wrote:
    tonifig8 wrote:
    WTF!!! Shame on these "Americans" - Joe you Mother F'er! The info will get out one way or another- I'm pretty sure their protocol is set up and ready for the next move- This shut down shouldn't come as a surprise - The cyber war is before us!

    http://twitter.com/wikileaks
    I do find it ironic that a former hacker is complaining about having his site hacked.
    and i find it ironic that we are persecuting the people that exposed all of this instead of the ones who are committing these acts. this is the same thing as a guy robbing your house, you go to the police to report him, and you get arrested instead of the criminal. how does that work? this is how the americans are going to choose to go in this case, and we will look even more foolish to the rest of the world. the other international papers are lambasting us for going after assange while not going after the people who made these mistakes and wrote these cables...and we deserve to be laughed at. we did not go after libby and cheney for outing valerie plame, and the obama administration put pressure on spain to not go after those in the bush administration for allowing torture. it is funny how the american government will go to great lengths to try to uphold the fascade of us having some sort of moral high ground, while we do the opposite of what we say we will do publicly..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    tonifig8 wrote:
    WTF!!! Shame on these "Americans" - Joe you Mother F'er! The info will get out one way or another- I'm pretty sure their protocol is set up and ready for the next move- This shut down shouldn't come as a surprise - The cyber war is before us!

    http://twitter.com/wikileaks
    I do find it ironic that a former hacker is complaining about having his site hacked.
    and i find it ironic that we are persecuting the people that exposed all of this instead of the ones who are committing these acts. this is the same thing as a guy robbing your house, you go to the police to report him, and you get arrested instead of the criminal. how does that work? this is how the americans are going to choose to go in this case, and we will look even more foolish to the rest of the world. the other international papers are lambasting us for going after assange while not going after the people who made these mistakes and wrote these cables...and we deserve to be laughed at. we did not go after libby and cheney for outing valerie plame, and the obama administration put pressure on spain to not go after those in the bush administration for allowing torture. it is funny how the american government will go to great lengths to try to uphold the fascade of us having some sort of moral high ground, while we do the opposite of what we say we will do publicly..


    Again..... Well said gimme.
    Most of the info regarding things that were said about other countries, and what not - can be brushed off....Or isn't registering with average citizen.

    But I think the biggest bomb is yet to be dropped! The one that will affect the banking industry! I think this one will hit more at home with the average person. This is the one that probably has the real potential of getting Assange killed..... not by the US Gov, but by some rich corrupt cats(ofcourse with the approval of the US Gov)!! The banking info has the real potential of causing some kaos.
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    For those who care- http://213.251.145.96/

    Spread the information....
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    so what's going to happen to Assange if they do catch him? will he be handed over to the US so he can be waterboard­ed 300 times?

    and uhm,

    have you found Bin Laden yet or did you let him go again?
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    so what's going to happen to Assange if they do catch him? will he be handed over to the US so he can be waterboard­ed 300 times?

    and uhm,

    have you found Bin Laden yet or did you let him go again?


    You didn't hear?? They know where Bin L. is!!! Only problem is that if they take him down a lot of contractors will lose their $$$$$$ --- Also, we would lose our excuse to be in the middle east......
  • jamingjamers
    jamingjamers Posts: 383
    We should all support WikiLeaks and Julian Assange
    Anything else is treason on the truth!!!
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    jamingjamers wrote:
    We should all support WikiLeaks and Julian Assange
    Anything else is treason on the truth!!!
    indeed. the truth is out. no reason to shoot the messenger.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    so what's going to happen to Assange if they do catch him? will he be handed over to the US so he can be waterboard­ed 300 times?

    and uhm,

    have you found Bin Laden yet or did you let him go again?
    no we haven't. bin laden has not been the primary target. as our aussie PM might have told you.......you are a smart woman, so you should know better....

    if you think that we waterboard everyone then you are just as disgusting as those that believe all of us are as guilty as those prosecuting those at gitmo....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    so what's going to happen to Assange if they do catch him? will he be handed over to the US so he can be waterboard­ed 300 times?

    and uhm,

    have you found Bin Laden yet or did you let him go again?
    no we haven't. bin laden has not been the primary target. as our aussie PM might have told you.......you are a smart woman, so you should know better....

    if you think that we waterboard everyone then you are just as disgusting as those that believe all of us are as guilty as those prosecuting those at gitmo....
    but we do waterboard right?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    Commy wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    so what's going to happen to Assange if they do catch him? will he be handed over to the US so he can be waterboard­ed 300 times?

    and uhm,

    have you found Bin Laden yet or did you let him go again?
    no we haven't. bin laden has not been the primary target. as our aussie PM might have told you.......you are a smart woman, so you should know better....

    if you think that we waterboard everyone then you are just as disgusting as those that believe all of us are as guilty as those prosecuting those at gitmo....
    but we do waterboard right?
    yes we have waterboarded. and i am pretty much the first person on here to complain about it...and i am the first person to call for cheney's fucking head on a platter to the hague as a result of it..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:

    if you think that we waterboard everyone then you are just as disgusting as those that believe all of us are as guilty as those prosecuting those at gitmo....
    but we do waterboard right?
    yes we have waterboarded. and i am pretty much the first person on here to complain about it...and i am the first person to call for cheney's fucking head on a platter to the hague as a result of it..



    do you really believe she thinks "everyone" is waterboarded?



    its obvious that's not what she's sayin.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    Commy wrote:


    do you really believe she thinks "everyone" is waterboarded?



    its obvious that's not what she's sayin.
    um, no...nobody has said anything like that...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Commy wrote:


    do you really believe she thinks "everyone" is waterboarded?



    its obvious that's not what she's sayin.
    um, no...nobody has said anything like that...
    nobody else has. except you.
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    so what's going to happen to Assange if they do catch him? will he be handed over to the US so he can be waterboard­ed 300 times?

    and uhm,

    have you found Bin Laden yet or did you let him go again?
    no we haven't. bin laden has not been the primary target. as our aussie PM might have told you.......you are a smart woman, so you should know better....

    if you think that we waterboard everyone then you are just as disgusting as those that believe all of us are as guilty as those prosecuting those at gitmo....
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Commy wrote:


    do you really believe she thinks "everyone" is waterboarded?



    its obvious that's not what she's sayin.
    um, no...nobody has said anything like that...
    nobody else has. except you.
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    so what's going to happen to Assange if they do catch him? will he be handed over to the US so he can be waterboard­ed 300 times?

    and uhm,

    have you found Bin Laden yet or did you let him go again?
    no we haven't. bin laden has not been the primary target. as our aussie PM might have told you.......you are a smart woman, so you should know better....

    if you think that we waterboard everyone then you are just as disgusting as those that believe all of us are as guilty as those prosecuting those at gitmo....
    are you serious? i read back through this whole thread. where did i ever say that we waterboard everybody? that is pretty cynical IMO.


    and i really doubt that if caught assange would be waterboarded 300 times. or even one time. as far as i know nobody has died over his leaks, so no need to go all jack bauer on him. not that going all jack bauer is ever ever approproate...he is wanted for and is going to be charged with sexual assault, and nothing more at the moment. i am thinking that the US justice dept is going to try to make an example of him instead of investigating those in the leaked cables...

    sad...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Oh Kevin Rudd you dud.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Again... I ask...
    Why is it worse to report these things... than the actual things, themselves?
    Would I be the one that should be imprisoned if I heard details about a rape... and reported the rape? Shouldn't the rapist get... at the very least... some sort of trouble?

    I don't get it either. Is it the spin machine of corporate run media? Making it all about Julian instead of what actually is important? Dick Cheney could've released this info and I would say "good for you .....Dick". I don't care who does it.

    At one time in US history. This was called good reporting and was written in history books that caused change for the better. Now we don't even talk about the conent.

    I hate the media with a passion. They fail us at every turn.
    and our country has a "free press"....with the constant failures of the media it is almost as if we are "press free"...


    a free press is only free for those that have one.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Looks like he may be turning himself in on these alledged sex charges (albeit to be released on bail)....

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/ ... 5967095676

    But tell me... how can he be prosecuted for "rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion" when...

    "Two women - who met Mr Assange when he was in Sweden for lectures - claimed he sexually attacked them.
    Both said they had consensual sex with the notorious campaigner, but said he refused to wear a condom."

    Consensual.... how can that become 'attacked'? OK... so the pratt didn't want to wear a condom but it would seem, at the time, the ladies didn't mind. The mind boggles.

    Any excuse.

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