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aerial wrote:How is this person getting this information to leak in the first place
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11874276I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
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lukin2006 wrote:aerial wrote:How is this person getting this information to leak in the first place
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11874276Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:sorry but i am not understanding your first question...if the bully jacket is opened for the world to see what good would it do for us or anybody else involved??? what is a bully jacket? i am guessing you are meaning the cloak of secrecy we have with dealing with foreign powers. our country manipulates nearly all policy events in the world. these documents highlight how we can get other countries to do the things we want them to do by threats of witholding money, aid, and military supplies/sales, or by imposing sanctions and refusing to trade with them. that is keeping other countries poor and that is manipulating the natural order of things. if a developing country wants to continue to develop it is only because we allow it to. that is why china is problematic for us, they hold much of our debt and are one of our biggest trade partners. if we tried to impose our will on them it would be placing our heads in the guillotine.
i love my country godfather, and part of love is is to have high expectations for it's actions and it's motivations. we are supposed to have the "moral high ground", whatever the hell that means this month...i expect it to be up front and not be manipulating things from behind a curtain and strongarming other countries to do our bidding. i love my country the same as i love my sister and hope she does the right things, i can't help but be embarrassed and even feel shame or empathy sometimes when she fucks up badly. i feel the same way about my country. i hold it to high standards, and on the international front it has failed to meet those expectations for as long as i can remember...and yes, i do view my country as the bully of the world. what other country has so egregiously manipulated the policies of other countries?? these documents are embarrassing for our country, but if we were not doing embarrassing things and dirtywork we would not have had this egg on our face...
as far as fighting wars on our land, use your brain and think about it for a few minutes, what armed force is going to stage an amphibious landing on our shores and take over our country? seriously, what army or collection of armies is going to actually invade our homeland? do you think 19 guys flying planes into a couple of buildings is the same thing as waging an aggreessive war on our soil? i don't. not at all. this is why i believe in my heart that the "we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" is a bullshit justification for empire expansion and imposing our diplomatic will behind the barrel of a gun, and that outrages me...
american citizens HAVE become complacent. they have been hypnotized by cable news and distracted by "news" without actually researching things themselves. complacency kills. and that is a fact. and we wonder why our kids are failing math and our health care is 30 something in the world and we wonder why our economy is in the shitter. it is a sad statement when the majority of our country feels that the wheels fell off in the days after jan 2009...
no safety is not a reward for being the biggest bully on the block. being the biggest bully makes you a target. one kid might not be able to beat the bully in a fight, but a few other kids can defeat the bully in other ways, financially, economically, etc..Godfather. wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:i love how this has opened up a serious dialogue, not only on the train, but in the country and the world at large, about the power of government, the cia, how we manipulate information secret or otherwise, and how we manipulate foreign leaders. i think people might finally be waking up to the fact that we might be the bullies or even the terrorists and not the victims we claim to be.
I have to ask you (with no disrespect intended) if this bullie jacket you say we have is opened for the world to see what good will it do for us or anybody else involved ?
I don't doubt that we are the biggest bullie on the block but do you think that's why we are not fighting wars on our land like other countries ?
is it possible that American citizens have become complacent ? the fact that we don't have to deal with air attacks on or in our neighborhoods and cities,we all seem to have the "oh it wont happen her" attitude.
I'm not saying that this is the case but just asking your thought on it.
"is safty one of the rewards of being the biggest bullie on the block?"
Godfather.
xlnt reply thanks, I understand your answer(s) and and would agree and as far being attacked on our own shores do you recall the story during WW2 when there were 1 or 2 Japanese submarines off the coast of California ? I believe that the story goes that the figured it was a no win situation and turned around,
So I would guess you are right on that call.
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Jason P wrote:lukin2006 wrote:aerial wrote:How is this person getting this information to leak in the first place
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11874276
I stand corrected, I heard his name mentioned the other day on the news, I just assumed it taken all this time for Wikileaks to sort through it. Some enterprising person can start a video series "government behaving badly".I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
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Godfather. wrote:xlnt reply thanks, I understand your answer(s) and and would agree and as far being attacked on our own shores do you recall the story during WW2 when there were 1 or 2 Japanese submarines off the coast of California ? I believe that the story goes that the figured it was a no win situation and turned around,
So I would guess you are right on that call.
Godfather.
i'm just sayin. that is impossible."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:i am familiar with that story about the subs, but really, are two sub crews going to be enough to storm a beach in california and take over a vast amount of territory?
i'm just sayin. that is impossible.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
patriot act in reverse.
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Commy wrote:patriot act in reverse.
doesn't feel so good does it fuckers?
exactly
i love to see them scrambling like the corrupt fucks they are
and those who say the leaks only do harm and will cause loss of lives
do not understand that the damage was done before the leaks
the damage that is america's attitude of dominanceThe whole world will be different soon... - EV
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:Godfather. wrote:xlnt reply thanks, I understand your answer(s) and and would agree and as far being attacked on our own shores do you recall the story during WW2 when there were 1 or 2 Japanese submarines off the coast of California ? I believe that the story goes that the figured it was a no win situation and turned around,
So I would guess you are right on that call.
Godfather.
i'm just sayin. that is impossible.
true but the point is that during war time we were wide open and the subs thought different and left.
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Godfather. wrote:true but the point is that during war time we were wide open and the subs thought different and left.
Godfather.
but back to the leaks, i doubt that these leaks will cause any attacks on our homeland. it makes our diplomts look arrogant, and our foreign policy makers look like driven, dominating, self righteous assholes, but i do not think our alliances will be damaged very much, other countries need relationships with us and vice versa...."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Godfather. wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:Godfather. wrote:xlnt reply thanks, I understand your answer(s) and and would agree and as far being attacked on our own shores do you recall the story during WW2 when there were 1 or 2 Japanese submarines off the coast of California ? I believe that the story goes that the figured it was a no win situation and turned around,
So I would guess you are right on that call.
Godfather.
i'm just sayin. that is impossible.
true but the point is that during war time we were wide open and the subs thought different and left.
Godfather.
in 1942 japanese subs sat off sydney and launched midget subs that entered sydney harbour. they sank the HMAS kuttabul killing 19 sailors. the eastern suburbs of sydney were also shelled by japanese fire. 4 japanese submariners killed during the raid were cremated and their ashes taken back to japan.hear my name
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unsung wrote:"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Maybe this is old news but it was breaking, I think the Interpol warrant is new.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/30 ... n-assange/
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i read earlier today that if he were tried in the US he would most likely be tried for treason, but he is not a us citizen so that can not happen. the other way is they would accuse him of spying but it would be a very difficult case to prove and he would most likely be found not guilty. some evidence would most likely be inadmissable in court. the federal laws regarding espionage and state secrets were written in 1914 and do not really apply in today's world....kinda funny how that works out...looks like we need to update some laws and expand that government another size..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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so why are the republicans calling for execution of the leaker for treason, when cheney, and libby committed treason by outing a covert cia operative for political reasons???
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/3 ... 89964.html"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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How come... someone telling us that Saudi Arabia sells oil to us and funds Al Qaeda... is WORSE than Saudi Arabia selling us oil and funding Al Qaeda?Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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oh the irony of pentagon secrets being spread all over the internets.hear my name
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Godfather. wrote:
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what exactly did you know was going to happen
that he was gonna "whistle-blow" on all of the corruption in world politics
and the interpol would put out a warrant on him for a rape charge he probably did not commit?
outstanding work, gThe whole world will be different soon... - EV
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AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
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