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gimmesometruth27

i love how this has opened up a serious dialogue, not only on the train, but in the country and the world at large, about the power of government, the cia, how we manipulate information secret or otherwise, and how we manipulate foreign leaders. i think people might finally be waking up to the fact that we might be the bullies or even the terrorists and not the victims we claim to be.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i love how this has opened up a serious dialogue, not only on the train, but in the country and the world at large, about the power of government, the cia, how we manipulate information secret or otherwise, and how we manipulate foreign leaders. i think people might finally be waking up to the fact that we might be the bullies or even the terrorists and not the victims we claim to be.

I have to ask you (with no disrespect intended) if this bullie jacket you say we have is opened for the world to see what good will it do for us or anybody else involved ?
I don't doubt that we are the biggest bullie on the block but do you think that's why we are not fighting wars on our land like other countries ?
is it possible that American citizens have become complacent ? the fact that we don't have to deal with air attacks on or in our neighborhoods and cities,we all seem to have the "oh it wont happen her" attitude.
I'm not saying that this is the case but just asking your thought on it.

"is safty one of the rewards of being the biggest bullie on the block?"


Godfather.

Nothingman54

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i love how this has opened up a serious dialogue, not only on the train, but in the country and the world at large, about the power of government, the cia, how we manipulate information secret or otherwise, and how we manipulate foreign leaders. i think people might finally be waking up to the fact that we might be the bullies or even the terrorists and not the victims we claim to be.

Agreed. I love to see the govenerment frantic over this.

Digital Twilight

China ready to abandon North Korea

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... fied-korea

Very interesting...

Sludge Factory

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i love how this has opened up a serious dialogue, not only on the train, but in the country and the world at large, about the power of government, the cia, how we manipulate information secret or otherwise, and how we manipulate foreign leaders. i think people might finally be waking up to the fact that we might be the bullies or even the terrorists and not the victims we claim to be.

I have to ask you (with no disrespect intended) if this bullie jacket you say we have is opened for the world to see what good will it do for us or anybody else involved ?
I don't doubt that we are the biggest bullie on the block but do you think that's why we are not fighting wars on our land like other countries ?
is it possible that American citizens have become complacent ? the fact that we don't have to deal with air attacks on or in our neighborhoods and cities,we all seem to have the "oh it wont happen her" attitude.
I'm not saying that this is the case but just asking your thought on it.

"is safty one of the rewards of being the biggest bullie on the block?"


Godfather.

While your question wasn't directed towards me, I feel compelled to say something. There might be an aspect of safety that we realize by being the biggest bully in that no country is overtly going to start something with us, but what isn't taken into account is what the CIA terms "blowback". We have already experienced this when some terrorists flew a couple airplanes into the twin towers on account of our big bully status. So, in my opinion, safety isn't necessarily a reward. When you are a bully, eventually enough people who have been bullied by you will gather to usurp you, be it physically or through other means.

whgarrett

Was it an American who has been leaking the information? If it is I don't think they will have to put out a hit. Can't they just hang him for treason? I'm gonna be super paranoid and say that it was the government that leaks the info to take everyone's mind off other things....Really though, does the average american really care about any of this or is it just another story. Other countries...they already know it. No big eye opener here.

catefrances

MotoDC wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i find this part interesting...

"— Suspicions of corruption in the Afghan government: When Afghanistan’s vice president visited the United Arab Emirates last year, local authorities working with the Drug Enforcement Administration discovered that he was carrying $52 million in cash. With wry understatement, a cable from the American Embassy in Kabul called the money “a significant amount” that the official, Ahmed Zia Massoud, “was ultimately allowed to keep without revealing the money’s origin or destination.” (Mr. Massoud denies taking any money out of Afghanistan.) "

carrying $52 million in cash.
no questions asked...no investigation done..

the DEA shakes down people for having an ounce of pot or a few plants, but $52 million in cash is unworthy of serious attention..

shocking...

Where is Mel Gibson when you need him...

Sketchy badguy with stereotypical british accent meant to indicate non-americanness: "Diplomatic immunity..."

Riggs: "...Has just been revoked."

ok first off... that sketchy bad guy with stereotypical british accent was in fact south african not british. and secondly it was murtaugh not riggs. so youll be wanting danny glover not mad mel.

catefrances

Jason P wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

no i want to know the truth. hence my screen name...

i am pretty sure that there is a hit on him by someone, either my government or another one...the CIA has offed people for much much less....IMO the only reason this guy is alive right now is because he keeps releasing things and staying in the news cycle. i believe that the rape allegations in sweden (or switzerland ( i can't remember which one) is an effort to silence him and keep him alive. i have a bad feeling that something bad will happen to him..like once he is out of the news cycle for a few months he might fall ill from a mysterious illness or something. i wish i had a brighter outlook on things, but if history is any indicator, i have a good idea of how our governments operate...

He must know the personal risk he is taking by releasing this information. I don't think a "hit" we be placed, but I imagine the hammer is going to come down very hard on him. Obama and Clinton used language today that indicated he will soon be known as an enemy to the state.

From my viewpoint, the bummer about this latest release is that it has less to do with uncovering human rights abuse and more to do with upsetting diplomatic relations and creating more tension in the mid-east (at least from what is being presented by the media).

of course hes aware of the danger hes put himself in. but i guess he feels that this is stuff the world needs to know about. that when the US runs around waving the democracy flag the bullshit level rises ever higher. and that theres a higher cost than we have ever been allowed to be aware of. and im in assanges corner with this. i want to know whats being done in my name so i can disown the actions of my government. democracy isnt what the US and friends espouse by their actions. democracy is people rule. how many of us feel as if were in charge of our democratic styled countries? and if you dont, why dont you? do you feel as if your govt doesnt care what your opinion is? does your country feel that simply cause you have the right to vote that thats what its all about? that we should be grateful cause theres some countries where the people dont even get to vote? well thats just bullshit. dont try and tell me that cause i vote i live in a democracy. its disrespectful and treats the populace as if theyre stupid.

Thoughts_Arrive

I have cables on all of you!

catefrances

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I have cables on all of you!

not me babe.. not me.

ed243421

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i love how this has opened up a serious dialogue, not only on the train, but in the country and the world at large, about the power of government, the cia, how we manipulate information secret or otherwise, and how we manipulate foreign leaders. i think people might finally be waking up to the fact that we might be the bullies or even the terrorists and not the victims we claim to be.

I have to ask you (with no disrespect intended) if this bullie jacket you say we have is opened for the world to see what good will it do for us or anybody else involved ?
I don't doubt that we are the biggest bullie on the block but do you think that's why we are not fighting wars on our land like other countries ?
is it possible that American citizens have become complacent ? the fact that we don't have to deal with air attacks on or in our neighborhoods and cities,we all seem to have the "oh it wont happen her" attitude.
I'm not saying that this is the case but just asking your thought on it.

"is safty one of the rewards of being the biggest bullie on the block?"


Godfather.

g

you make my brain want to die

ed243421

g

so we find out that saudi arabia funds al qaeda
so we sell arms to saudi arabia
so they can sell us oil
so we can fight al qaeda

and all you have to say is
we are safe because we are the biggest bully

Godfather.

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I have cables on all of you!

can we get free show time or HBO ? LOL!!!

Godfather.

Godfather.

Sludge Factory wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i love how this has opened up a serious dialogue, not only on the train, but in the country and the world at large, about the power of government, the cia, how we manipulate information secret or otherwise, and how we manipulate foreign leaders. i think people might finally be waking up to the fact that we might be the bullies or even the terrorists and not the victims we claim to be.

I have to ask you (with no disrespect intended) if this bullie jacket you say we have is opened for the world to see what good will it do for us or anybody else involved ?
I don't doubt that we are the biggest bullie on the block but do you think that's why we are not fighting wars on our land like other countries ?
is it possible that American citizens have become complacent ? the fact that we don't have to deal with air attacks on or in our neighborhoods and cities,we all seem to have the "oh it wont happen her" attitude.
I'm not saying that this is the case but just asking your thought on it.

"is safty one of the rewards of being the biggest bullie on the block?"


Godfather.

While your question wasn't directed towards me, I feel compelled to say something. There might be an aspect of safety that we realize by being the biggest bully in that no country is overtly going to start something with us, but what isn't taken into account is what the CIA terms "blowback". We have already experienced this when some terrorists flew a couple airplanes into the twin towers on account of our big bully status. So, in my opinion, safety isn't necessarily a reward. When you are a bully, eventually enough people who have been bullied by you will gather to usurp you, be it physically or through other means.

XLNT point, growing up in America I have seen no other way and am learning more all the time, it sure is ugly and America is not the only one guilty of all this mess the countries seem to be involved in,sure would be nice to have world peace but with power being the main goal for several countries it looks like that will never happen.

Godfather.

Godfather.

ed243421 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i love how this has opened up a serious dialogue, not only on the train, but in the country and the world at large, about the power of government, the cia, how we manipulate information secret or otherwise, and how we manipulate foreign leaders. i think people might finally be waking up to the fact that we might be the bullies or even the terrorists and not the victims we claim to be.

I have to ask you (with no disrespect intended) if this bullie jacket you say we have is opened for the world to see what good will it do for us or anybody else involved ?
I don't doubt that we are the biggest bullie on the block but do you think that's why we are not fighting wars on our land like other countries ?
is it possible that American citizens have become complacent ? the fact that we don't have to deal with air attacks on or in our neighborhoods and cities,we all seem to have the "oh it wont happen her" attitude.
I'm not saying that this is the case but just asking your thought on it.

"is safty one of the rewards of being the biggest bullie on the block?"


Godfather.

g

you make my brain want to die

it's not already ?

Godfather.

Godfather.

ed243421 wrote:

g

so we find out that saudi arabia funds al qaeda
so we sell arms to saudi arabia
so they can sell us oil
so we can fight al qaeda

and all you have to say is
we are safe because we are the biggest bully

it was a question g.....just a thought I asked truth to reply to,is this post your intelligent reply ?
I sure hope you have more than that....... :roll:

Godfather.

Jason P

So far this release of information has

* Strained diplomatic relations worldwide
* Embarrassed and undermined several prominent European leaders
* Forced the U.S. to make new measures on security clearance, thus restricting different agencies from sharing information . . . thus increasing the chance of a successful terrorist attack
* Increased tensions between Iran and Saudi Arabia
* Pissed off China
* Set back any possible unification of North and South Korea
* Told a cool story about a doctor escaping on horseback from Iran
* Moammar Gadhafi likes voluptuous blondes
* And apparently we have learned you are not subject to investigation if you carry more then $50M with you

Wikileaks claims the information is being released to detail human abuse crimes. It is my opinion that this release of information actually decreases the overall stability in three key areas of the world . . . the Mideast, Korea, and China . . . thus increasing opportunities of human abuse crimes.

All in all, it's low level gossip that most every country knows if they have any kind of intelligence agency established. But nonetheless, if a someone is overweight, it hurts their emotions when they find out their friends have been talking behind their back about how fat they are, even if they are aware of the problem. In this case, the overweight people with hurt feelings are in charge of countries and have access to nuclear stockpiles.

ed243421

Godfather. wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

g

so we find out that saudi arabia funds al qaeda
so we sell arms to saudi arabia
so they can sell us oil
so we can fight al qaeda

and all you have to say is
we are safe because we are the biggest bully

it was a question g.....just a thought I asked truth to reply to,is this post your intelligent reply ?
I sure hope you have more than that....... :roll:

Godfather.

what more do you need?

don't you understand that i did answer your question?

that's my opinion, what's yours?

and how do you feel about saudi arabia?

lemme guess, you think the america's deals with them are terrible

but you are a true patriot and you love your country

gimmesometruth27

sorry but i am not understanding your first question...if the bully jacket is opened for the world to see what good would it do for us or anybody else involved??? what is a bully jacket? i am guessing you are meaning the cloak of secrecy we have with dealing with foreign powers. our country manipulates nearly all policy events in the world. these documents highlight how we can get other countries to do the things we want them to do by threats of witholding money, aid, and military supplies/sales, or by imposing sanctions and refusing to trade with them. that is keeping other countries poor and that is manipulating the natural order of things. if a developing country wants to continue to develop it is only because we allow it to. that is why china is problematic for us, they hold much of our debt and are one of our biggest trade partners. if we tried to impose our will on them it would be placing our heads in the guillotine.

i love my country godfather, and part of love is is to have high expectations for it's actions and it's motivations. we are supposed to have the "moral high ground", whatever the hell that means this month...i expect it to be up front and not be manipulating things from behind a curtain and strongarming other countries to do our bidding. i love my country the same as i love my sister and hope she does the right things, i can't help but be embarrassed and even feel shame or empathy sometimes when she fucks up badly. i feel the same way about my country. i hold it to high standards, and on the international front it has failed to meet those expectations for as long as i can remember...and yes, i do view my country as the bully of the world. what other country has so egregiously manipulated the policies of other countries?? these documents are embarrassing for our country, but if we were not doing embarrassing things and dirtywork we would not have had this egg on our face...

as far as fighting wars on our land, use your brain and think about it for a few minutes, what armed force is going to stage an amphibious landing on our shores and take over our country? seriously, what army or collection of armies is going to actually invade our homeland? do you think 19 guys flying planes into a couple of buildings is the same thing as waging an aggreessive war on our soil? i don't. not at all. this is why i believe in my heart that the "we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" is a bullshit justification for empire expansion and imposing our diplomatic will behind the barrel of a gun, and that outrages me...


american citizens HAVE become complacent. they have been hypnotized by cable news and distracted by "news" without actually researching things themselves. complacency kills. and that is a fact. and we wonder why our kids are failing math and our health care is 30 something in the world and we wonder why our economy is in the shitter. it is a sad statement when the majority of our country feels that the wheels fell off in the days after jan 2009...

no safety is not a reward for being the biggest bully on the block. being the biggest bully makes you a target. one kid might not be able to beat the bully in a fight, but a few other kids can defeat the bully in other ways, financially, economically, etc..

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i love how this has opened up a serious dialogue, not only on the train, but in the country and the world at large, about the power of government, the cia, how we manipulate information secret or otherwise, and how we manipulate foreign leaders. i think people might finally be waking up to the fact that we might be the bullies or even the terrorists and not the victims we claim to be.

I have to ask you (with no disrespect intended) if this bullie jacket you say we have is opened for the world to see what good will it do for us or anybody else involved ?
I don't doubt that we are the biggest bullie on the block but do you think that's why we are not fighting wars on our land like other countries ?
is it possible that American citizens have become complacent ? the fact that we don't have to deal with air attacks on or in our neighborhoods and cities,we all seem to have the "oh it wont happen her" attitude.
I'm not saying that this is the case but just asking your thought on it.

"is safty one of the rewards of being the biggest bullie on the block?"


Godfather.

aerial

How is this person getting this information to leak in the first place