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"Authorities seek WikiLeaks founder; website moves
By MATT APUZZO , 12.02.10, 03:02 AM EST


WASHINGTON -- Freelance computer hackers have helped the U.S. government chase WikiLeaks from an American commercial computer network. That stopped the leak of embarrassing diplomatic documents - at least for part of a day. But the website returned within hours, this time publishing from a fortified bunker in Sweden.

A real-life pursuit of the site's founder mirrors the virtual chase. Julian Assange is wanted in Sweden on rape charges.

BuzzWikiLeaks said Amazon.com ( AMZN - news - people ) prevented it from using the U.S. company's computers to distribute embarrassing State Department communications and other documents.

Undeterred, Assange has moved back to servers owned by its previous Swedish host and continued releasing confidential government documents."


http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/12/ ... 76417.html

Kel Varnsen

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

so why are the republicans calling for execution of the leaker for treason, when cheney, and libby committed treason by outing a covert cia operative for political reasons???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/3 ... 89964.html

That is really what I don't understand. I mean why is everyone worried about the wikileaks dude when the real criminal is the person or people, who had secret clearance, and by extension were sworn to secrecy who actually leaked these documents.

And like the above quoted posted said if the dude who published this information is to be considered some sort of terrorist or enemy of the state, why isn't Robert Novak considered the exact same thing?

Godfather.

I'm guessing the embarrassment that this leak caused will be reason enough for execution as far as the governments involved are concerned,people have been wacked for much less.

I have a thought, what do you think these guys intentions really were and what did they think would happen if they got caught ? will they die as American hero's or go to prison for the rest of their lives ? and will this leak change anything other than how good the government hides their secrets.
in my opinion they should have been a little smarter in the way they did this...now look at em,both with a bullseye on their foreheads and for what ?
as big and powerful as our government is does anybody really think that they can get away with something like this and not get caught ?

Godfather.

Godfather.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/12/02/ ... tml?hpt=C2


Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

I'm guessing the embarrassment that this leak caused will be reason enough for execution as far as the governments involved are concerned,people have been wacked for much less.

I have a thought, what do you think these guys intentions really were and what did they think would happen if they got caught ? will they die as American hero's or go to prison for the rest of their lives ? and will this leak change anything other than how good the government hides their secrets.
in my opinion they should have been a little smarter in the way they did this...now look at em,both with a bullseye on their foreheads and for what ?
as big and powerful as our government is does anybody really think that they can get away with something like this and not get caught ?

Godfather.

the point is no government should get away with what our government is doing. he wants to target russia and china as well. and his next release is gonna blow the lid off of the lending and financial crisis. i think it is a good thing. the legal authorities have to stay within their legal rights to charge and convict both of these guys. if they overstep their authority the whole world is going to know about it. there is so much light on thes guys right now that no government can afford to not give them due process.

Godfather.

what a mess and so many people to blame including the government.

Godfather.

Drowned Out

Godfather. wrote:

I'm guessing the embarrassment that this leak caused will be reason enough for execution as far as the governments involved are concerned,people have been wacked for much less.

I have a thought, what do you think these guys intentions really were and what did they think would happen if they got caught ? will they die as American hero's or go to prison for the rest of their lives ? and will this leak change anything other than how good the government hides their secrets.
in my opinion they should have been a little smarter in the way they did this...now look at em,both with a bullseye on their foreheads and for what ?
as big and powerful as our government is does anybody really think that they can get away with something like this and not get caught ?

Godfather.

I think their intentions were to expose injustice and immoral behavior by YOUR elected officials. Ironic to see the vilification, by the American press, government, and many of it’s people, of an Aussie playing the role of American patriot. I’m sure they knew full well the consequences of their actions. If you’re smart enough to figure it out, they probably are too. What would have been a 'smarter' way to go about leaking these docs?

They SHOULD die American heroes, but because of the public's tendency to never look past their fucking tv screen, and because of people who are more likely to support Crime in the name of nationalism, than to support "crime" in the name JUSTICE, they will likely go to prison. But they can do so with their heads held high… If there is ANY justice in this world, they will be exonerated by time, and remembered as champions of the people in the historical record.

There are FAR too many acquiescent sheep in this world, who lose the courage to do what is right when threatened. A man of principle cannot turn a blind eye to much of the information contained in these leaks….doing so is a form of complicity. Seems Assange understands this, even if others do not.


There is a higher court than courts of justice and that is the court of conscience. (Gandhi)

Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. (MLK)

Godfather.

Drowned Out wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I'm guessing the embarrassment that this leak caused will be reason enough for execution as far as the governments involved are concerned,people have been wacked for much less.

I have a thought, what do you think these guys intentions really were and what did they think would happen if they got caught ? will they die as American hero's or go to prison for the rest of their lives ? and will this leak change anything other than how good the government hides their secrets.
in my opinion they should have been a little smarter in the way they did this...now look at em,both with a bullseye on their foreheads and for what ?
as big and powerful as our government is does anybody really think that they can get away with something like this and not get caught ?

Godfather.

I think their intentions were to expose injustice and immoral behavior by YOUR elected officials. Ironic to see the vilification, by the American press, government, and many of it’s people, of an Aussie playing the role of American patriot. I’m sure they knew full well the consequences of their actions. If you’re smart enough to figure it out, they probably are too. What would have been a 'smarter' way to go about leaking these docs?

They SHOULD die American heroes, but because of the public's tendency to never look past their fucking tv screen, and because of people who are more likely to support Crime in the name of nationalism, than to support "crime" in the name JUSTICE, they will likely go to prison. But they can do so with their heads held high… If there is ANY justice in this world, they will be exonerated by time, and remembered as champions of the people in the historical record.

There are FAR too many acquiescent sheep in this world, who lose the courage to do what is right when threatened. A man of principle cannot turn a blind eye to much of the information contained in these leaks….doing so is a form of complicity. Seems Assange understands this, even if others do not.


There is a higher court than courts of justice and that is the court of conscience. (Gandhi)

Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. (MLK)

when these men go to prison or death row I'll bet they wish they were a little smarter in the way they leaked this stuff, I've never seen anybody go to prison with their head held high, as popular as these two are there will be people waiting for them when they go in...at that point will it all matter to them ?
I'm just saying a little planning may have helped them out a little.

Godfather.

Jason P

Assange has done something quite historical in that he has managed to anger every world leader with the exception of Hugo Chavez. However, I think the biggest risk to his life expectancy is his threat of having enough information potential to destroy a major bank.

Sludge Factory

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I'm guessing the embarrassment that this leak caused will be reason enough for execution as far as the governments involved are concerned,people have been wacked for much less.

I have a thought, what do you think these guys intentions really were and what did they think would happen if they got caught ? will they die as American hero's or go to prison for the rest of their lives ? and will this leak change anything other than how good the government hides their secrets.
in my opinion they should have been a little smarter in the way they did this...now look at em,both with a bullseye on their foreheads and for what ?
as big and powerful as our government is does anybody really think that they can get away with something like this and not get caught ?

Godfather.

the point is no government should get away with what our government is doing. he wants to target russia and china as well. and his next release is gonna blow the lid off of the lending and financial crisis. i think it is a good thing. the legal authorities have to stay within their legal rights to charge and convict both of these guys. if they overstep their authority the whole world is going to know about it. there is so much light on thes guys right now that no government can afford to not give them due process.

Personally, I think they should've released the lending and financial crisis documents first as many more Americans would have paid more attention to that since the direct effects of it are still being felt by them. Perhaps that would have won more popular opinion of the people and made it even more difficult for the US Government to convince people that this is "illegal".

Godfather.

Sludge Factory wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I'm guessing the embarrassment that this leak caused will be reason enough for execution as far as the governments involved are concerned,people have been wacked for much less.

I have a thought, what do you think these guys intentions really were and what did they think would happen if they got caught ? will they die as American hero's or go to prison for the rest of their lives ? and will this leak change anything other than how good the government hides their secrets.
in my opinion they should have been a little smarter in the way they did this...now look at em,both with a bullseye on their foreheads and for what ?
as big and powerful as our government is does anybody really think that they can get away with something like this and not get caught ?

Godfather.

the point is no government should get away with what our government is doing. he wants to target russia and china as well. and his next release is gonna blow the lid off of the lending and financial crisis. i think it is a good thing. the legal authorities have to stay within their legal rights to charge and convict both of these guys. if they overstep their authority the whole world is going to know about it. there is so much light on thes guys right now that no government can afford to not give them due process.

Personally, I think they should've released the lending and financial crisis documents first as many more Americans would have paid more attention to that since the direct effects of it are still being felt by them. Perhaps that would have won more popular opinion of the people and made it even more difficult for the US Government to convince people that this is "illegal".

:thumbup: I agree with that big time !!!!!

Godfather.

cajunkiwi

I have to wonder what the reaction would be if the documents were in regards to actions undertaken by the Russian or Pakistani governments. If the documents showed that the Pakistani government was asking its diplomats to spy on the UN and foreign dignitaries, and collect biometric and financial data on them, would the average Joe be focusing on Julian Assange, or would they be saying Pakistan's actions amounted to a precursor to an act of war?

Drowned Out

Godfather. wrote:

when these men go to prison or death row I'll bet they wish they were a little smarter in the way they leaked this stuff, I've never seen anybody go to prison with their head held high, as popular as these two are there will be people waiting for them when they go in...at that point will it all matter to them ?
I'm just saying a little planning may have helped them out a little.

Godfather.

You honestly can't think of anyone who's gone to prison for something they believe in? I'm talking about a clear conscience, and a firm belief that they've done the right thing... not being happily shackled and giddy as they're led out of court....
I'm sure if Assange is willing to stand for what he believes in for this long, he will not waver in the face of consequence. As for the planning....he's still free, is he not? Again...how could he have done this any differently? maybe the order he released the docs could have helped his cause, as stated above....however...I don't think so. If the next batch of docs DOES negatively impact a major bank....odds are it will have a serious negative affect on the stock market...which, in turn, gives the government and media another reason to demonize him (and we know how well the public filters this kinda shit).

Godfather.

Drowned Out wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

when these men go to prison or death row I'll bet they wish they were a little smarter in the way they leaked this stuff, I've never seen anybody go to prison with their head held high, as popular as these two are there will be people waiting for them when they go in...at that point will it all matter to them ?
I'm just saying a little planning may have helped them out a little.

Godfather.

You honestly can't think of anyone who's gone to prison for something they believe in? I'm talking about a clear conscience, and a firm belief that they've done the right thing... not being happily shackled and giddy as they're led out of court....
I'm sure if Assange is willing to stand for what he believes in for this long, he will not waver in the face of consequence. As for the planning....he's still free, is he not? Again...how could he have done this any differently? maybe the order he released the docs could have helped his cause, as stated above....however...I don't think so. If the next batch of docs DOES negatively impact a major bank....odds are it will have a serious negative affect on the stock market...which, in turn, gives the government and media another reason to demonize him (and we know how well the public filters this kinda shit).

reguardless of his consequences or how he feels about his actions this could be the tool that helps to put things straight in our government,well maybe at least a few things anyway and the banking thing could make the enron scam look like a traffic ticket, that would put many banking corporations or even the IRS in a spin...and man would I love to see that.

Godfather.

RoadTripper

There's a few things that I really don't get about this whole situation and makes it look suspicious. Part of me wants to accept this for what it is, someone releasing private government information and putting this man and people's lives in jeopardy.

But a little part of me laughs at this situation like its just another fear mongering (sp?) scheme that it is getting so much attention on purpose.

I can't help but ask myself:

Why is this getting so much publicity? I feel like it contradicts itself in that these articles are classified in that they were not meant for the public eye to view. But then CNN has Wikileaks blasted all over its website headlines basically inviting people to view what is released, how to view the articles, and what to be afraid of.

So its like waving a cookie in front of a child and then beating the shit out of the child when he takes and eats it.

Next, why can't this site be shut down? If youtube can shut down videos for copyright infrigement, can't the government close down this site so that it doesn't get more out of hand than it already is? Is it freedom of speech? Scared to be ashamed of what was released and look weak?

It's like they want us to view and be scared of this

Ben

Jason P

cajunkiwi wrote:

I have to wonder what the reaction would be if the documents were in regards to actions undertaken by the Russian or Pakistani governments. If the documents showed that the Pakistani government was asking its diplomats to spy on the UN and foreign dignitaries, and collect biometric and financial data on them, would the average Joe be focusing on Julian Assange, or would they be saying Pakistan's actions amounted to a precursor to an act of war?

I would be more surprised if Pakistan could pull it off, even though I'm sure they try. And it would be foolish to think that a country like Russia doesn't engage in the exact same behavior as the U.S. You don't get that powerful playing hacky sack.

Maybe I've read one too many Tom Clancy novels, but all G20 nations have giant intelligence agencies that spy. If we have files on John Lennon, we had better have dossiers on UN members.

Godfather.

oh and btw I have known many guys that have gone to prison and not one of them felt good in anyway about going in especially after being in for a only a little while.

Godfather.

Godfather.

RoadTripper wrote:

There's a few things that I really don't get about this whole situation and makes it look suspicious. Part of me wants to accept this for what it is, someone releasing private government information and putting this man and people's lives in jeopardy.

But a little part of me laughs at this situation like its just another fear mongering (sp?) scheme that it is getting so much attention on purpose.

I can't help but ask myself:

Why is this getting so much publicity? I feel like it contradicts itself in that these articles are classified in that they were not meant for the public eye to view. But then CNN has Wikileaks blasted all over its website headlines basically inviting people to view what is released, how to view the articles, and what to be afraid of.

So its like waving a cookie in front of a child and then beating the shit out of the child when he takes and eats it.

Next, why can't this site be shut down? If youtube can shut down videos for copyright infrigement, can't the government close down this site so that it doesn't get more out of hand than it already is? Is it freedom of speech? Scared to be ashamed of what was released and look weak?

It's like they want us to view and be scared of this

Ben

XLNT question, how much don't we know ? ....I smell conspiracy all over this one.

Godfather.

Drowned Out

Godfather. wrote:

oh and btw I have known many guys that have gone to prison and not one of them felt good in anyway about going in especially after being in for a only a little while.

Godfather.

:roll:...dude…..you’re not understanding me… petty thieves and thugs shouldn’t feel good about ‘going in’; they don’t count as righteous political prisoners…which, based solely on my cursory knowledge of the wikileaks situation, Assange will be if he is imprisoned. I’m thinking people like the Cuban Five, Mordechai Vanunu, Leonard Peltier, Mandela, Gandhi etc…I would guess they were able to go to prison comfortable in the knowledge that they maintained a moral high ground. Also, as I said, I'm not talking about 'feeling good' about it...just feeling at peace with the action that landed them there.


I have to agree somewhat with RoadTripper tho…there is something fishy about all of this. You can’t look at any story like this without questioning who is benefitting from the situation. There is WAY too much political capital on the table here for there to NOT be some serious maneuvering going on behind the scenes. The only thing that gives this an air of legitimacy is the way Assange is being railroaded by the media. road tripper – wikileaks is based out of country, the US has no jurisdiction to shut it down….and what you’re suggesting is internet censorship…perhaps THAT is the hidden agenda here. A justification for US powerbrokers to control internet content, with public support.