TSA is not the enemy

Shawshank

Cosmo wrote:

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That's great. When we get the number of trained dogs to scan every passenger in all of the airports, then we can pass on the mandatory scanners and pat downs.

A good friend of mine is a dog trainer with the Army. The guy looks like the big hulking dude from Green Mile, but he is like a dog whisperer or something. Based on what I've seen him do with dogs over the years, I seriously doubt it would be an issue, it may take a few months to get enough of them trained, but it would definitely be doable.

Commy

unsung wrote:

A wise man once said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

^ this

Brock Samson

Shawshank wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

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That's great. When we get the number of trained dogs to scan every passenger in all of the airports, then we can pass on the mandatory scanners and pat downs.

A good friend of mine is a dog trainer with the Army. The guy looks like the big hulking dude from Green Mile, but he is like a dog whisperer or something. Based on what I've seen him do with dogs over the years, I seriously doubt it would be an issue, it may take a few months to get enough of them trained, but it would definitely be doable.

I could be wrong, but i thought i heard when dogs are sniffing, they're sniffing for one particular scent, so they could actually miss something they're not sniffing for. maybe you could ask your friend about that?

norm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh1h5Mvc3MM

Shawshank

norm wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh1h5Mvc3MM

Another great example of these glorified mall cops doing what they do best. This bullshit is nothing more than a power trip and has nothing to do with safety. I love how giving someone a blue shirt and rubber gloves all of a sudden makes these half brains feel important in their otherwise insignificant lives.

catefrances

Shawshank wrote:

norm wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh1h5Mvc3MM

Another great example of these glorified mall cops doing what they do best. This bullshit is nothing more than a power trip and has nothing to do with safety. I love how giving someone a blue shirt and rubber gloves all of a sudden makes these half brains feel important in their otherwise insignificant lives.

i remember transitting through LAX a couple of years back and having an opened bottle of water in my bag. id totally forgotten it was there cause its such a commonplace thing. so anyways the security guard spotted it and semi freaked out at its presence saying youve got water you cant take that on the plane blah blah blah . i just said oh yeah sorry i forgot i had it and simply threw it in the bin provided. she was in near hysterics at the possibilities posed by this errant bottle. i thought chill girl or your gonna miss something way more important than a bottle of water. meanwhile i was allowed to take snowglobes on the plane... cause clearly the unknown liquid in them, widely assumed to be water, was not dangerous nor did it have the capacity to become so. and dont get me started on how many nailfiles ive lost to security due to my own stupidity and vague memory. :roll:

Cosmo

Q: Guess who just found out he needs to get his ass on a plane from the L.B.C. to Sea-Tac next week?
A: The same guy that is going to stop by the TJMax on the way home tonight and pick up a cheap fricken' bikini to wear under his clothing through the scanners this Sunday.

unsung

I'm flying to Vegas tomorrow and I'm thinking about wearing an athletic cup through security.

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

Q: Guess who just found out he needs to get his ass on a plane from the L.B.C. to Sea-Tac next week?
A: The same guy that is going to stop by the TJMax on the way home tonight and pick up a cheap fricken' bikini to wear under his clothing through the scanners this Sunday.

please take pics.

norm

catefrances wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Q: Guess who just found out he needs to get his ass on a plane from the L.B.C. to Sea-Tac next week?
A: The same guy that is going to stop by the TJMax on the way home tonight and pick up a cheap fricken' bikini to wear under his clothing through the scanners this Sunday.

please take pics.

adropinthepark

Cosmo wrote:

unsung wrote:

Amazing that most of you have no problem going through a porno scanner or being sexually assaulted by some ignorant TSA thug, but you lose sleep and have serious issues with people from Arizona being asked for an ID.

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Air travel is not a right. We CHOOSE to fly from here to there and back again. We can choose NOT to abide by the rules and laws set forth by air carriers and law enforcement by choosing not to fly. And it does not single out one segment of our citizens and give the rest of us a free pass.
It has just become part of the routine that comes with our choice to fly safely from L.A. to New York. You can avoid a pat down by simply passing through the scanner.
Finally... if you think someone is jacking off to a black and white image of someone standing there with arms streched out when there are hundreds or thousands of free pictures and videos of people fucking on the Internet... well... I don't even know what to say about that.

Regardless of what a screener may or may not do with a brief glance at a nude image of me, I am not comfortable with them seeing it at all. I absolutely feel that it is a violation.

"Sexual harassment is determined by the victim and is subjective because what one person finds as sexually harassing behavior may be acceptable to another person."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... n55187810/

I think that having to choose between two types of sexual harassment to fly or not to fly at all is unreasonable. Flying is common enough that we should be able to expect do it without giving up rights normally protected by the fourth amendment.
The odds of being the victim of a terrorist attack are so ridiculously low; I will never understand people that are willing to give up so much of their freedom for the perception of being safe. Let the statistics sink in and you’ll be fine.
http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/0 ... _death.htm

For those who believe our safety is worth any price, how do you feel about mandatory installation of breathalyzers in vehicles?
According to statistics, it’s 9/11 out on our roads every few months thanks to drunk drivers.
http://www.cdc.gov/MotorVehicleSafety/I ... sheet.html
We could probably reduce the number of alcohol related deaths dramatically if everyone had to prove their sobriety before starting their engines.

inmytree

adropinthepark wrote:

Regardless of what a screener may or may not do with a brief glance at a nude image of me, I am not comfortable with them seeing it at all. I absolutely feel that it is a violation.

"Sexual harassment is determined by the victim and is subjective because what one person finds as sexually harassing behavior may be acceptable to another person."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... n55187810/

I think that having to choose between two types of sexual harassment to fly or not to fly at all is unreasonable. Flying is common enough that we should be able to expect do it without giving up rights normally protected by the fourth amendment.
The odds of being the victim of a terrorist attack are so ridiculously low; I will never understand people that are willing to give up so much of their freedom for the perception of being safe. Let the statistics sink in and you’ll be fine.
http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/0 ... _death.htm

For those who believe our safety is worth any price, how do you feel about mandatory installation of breathalyzers in vehicles?
According to statistics, it’s 9/11 out on our roads every few months thanks to drunk drivers.
http://www.cdc.gov/MotorVehicleSafety/I ... sheet.html
We could probably reduce the number of alcohol related deaths dramatically if everyone had to prove their sobriety before starting their engines.

While you may feel these measure are violation and unreasonable...there are others that don't...

it comes down to choosing to fly or not fly...and really, what "freedom" has been given up...? this outrage over this issue is funny to me...

I also enjoy the toss-crap-to-the-wall arguments that are tied to this issue like your breathalyzer thing...fine, lets make them mandatory...I'll agree with you and say they are a good thing and all cars should have them...

TriumphantAngel

inmytree wrote:

adropinthepark wrote:

Regardless of what a screener may or may not do with a brief glance at a nude image of me, I am not comfortable with them seeing it at all. I absolutely feel that it is a violation.

"Sexual harassment is determined by the victim and is subjective because what one person finds as sexually harassing behavior may be acceptable to another person."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... n55187810/

I think that having to choose between two types of sexual harassment to fly or not to fly at all is unreasonable. Flying is common enough that we should be able to expect do it without giving up rights normally protected by the fourth amendment.
The odds of being the victim of a terrorist attack are so ridiculously low; I will never understand people that are willing to give up so much of their freedom for the perception of being safe. Let the statistics sink in and you’ll be fine.
http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/0 ... _death.htm

For those who believe our safety is worth any price, how do you feel about mandatory installation of breathalyzers in vehicles?
According to statistics, it’s 9/11 out on our roads every few months thanks to drunk drivers.
http://www.cdc.gov/MotorVehicleSafety/I ... sheet.html
We could probably reduce the number of alcohol related deaths dramatically if everyone had to prove their sobriety before starting their engines.

While you may feel these measure are violation and unreasonable...there are others that don't...

it comes down to choosing to fly or not fly...and really, what "freedom" has been given up...? this outrage over this issue is funny to me...

I also enjoy the toss-crap-to-the-wall arguments that are tied to this issue like your breathalyzer thing...fine, lets make them mandatory...I'll agree with you and say they are a good thing and all cars should have them...

have to disagree here inmytree. i don't think it's a toss-crap-to-the-wall argument at all. if the government is so concerned about peoples safety, why are they so selective about when to enforce additional measures to "ensure" it?

there would be thousands and thousands more people who jump in their cars and drive after they have been drinking than there are people who are gonna go out and blow up a plane. í'd take my chances on a flight with a plane full of passengers who have not been patted down or been through the pervoscreener thanks. i've got more chance of being killed by some idiot on the road.

inmytree

TriumphantAngel wrote:

have to disagree here inmytree. i don't think it's a toss-crap-to-the-wall argument at all. if the government is so concerned about peoples safety, why are they so selective about when to enforce additional measures to "ensure" it?

there would be thousands and thousands more people who jump in their cars and drive after they have been drinking than there are people who are gonna go out and blow up a plane. í'd take my chances on a flight with a plane full of passengers who have not been patted down or been through the pervoscreener thanks. i've got more chance of being killed by some idiot on the road.

help me understand...are you and adropinthepark saying the TSA should not be searching people because there is no law mandating breathalyzers in cars...?

interesting...

TriumphantAngel

inmytree wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

have to disagree here inmytree. i don't think it's a toss-crap-to-the-wall argument at all. if the government is so concerned about peoples safety, why are they so selective about when to enforce additional measures to "ensure" it?

there would be thousands and thousands more people who jump in their cars and drive after they have been drinking than there are people who are gonna go out and blow up a plane. í'd take my chances on a flight with a plane full of passengers who have not been patted down or been through the pervoscreener thanks. i've got more chance of being killed by some idiot on the road.

help me understand...are you and adropinthepark saying the TSA should not be searching people because there is no law mandating breathalyzers in cars...?

interesting...

lol no, i'm not saying that. i'm asking why if the government is so concerned about peoples safety, are they so selective about when and how they will try to enforce it.

adropinthepark posted a linked that said four times more people die each year from drink driving related injuries than the number of people killed on 9/11. these drink driving killings have been happening for years. not just since 9/11.

or is it only people flying on planes that the government pretends to give a rats ass about?

hope that is clearer

cajunkiwi

norm wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Q: Guess who just found out he needs to get his ass on a plane from the L.B.C. to Sea-Tac next week?
A: The same guy that is going to stop by the TJMax on the way home tonight and pick up a cheap fricken' bikini to wear under his clothing through the scanners this Sunday.

please take pics.

Very nice...

cajunkiwi

unsung wrote:

Amazing that most of you have no problem going through a porno scanner or being sexually assaulted by some ignorant TSA thug, but you lose sleep and have serious issues with people from Arizona being asked for an ID.

That depends - are they doing it to everyone, or are they only doing it to people who fit a certain racial profile? The issue in Arizona wasn't that they were going to be asking people for IDs, it was that they were going to be targeting Mexicans and asking them for IDs, and Joe Public was going to be given the green light to complain about the cops if they weren't asking enough Mexicans for their IDs.

Is everyone having to deal with the scanner/pat down routine at the airport, or is it predominantly being reserved for people who look like they might pray to Mecca?

cajunkiwi

Cosmo wrote:

You are missing the point... or i did not state it clearly enough.
The point is... when go in for my physical... I expect that finger up my ass. That's just part of what is to be expected. On the same note... when I purchase my plane fare... I expect to go through the security system at the airport that will now require I either choose to pass through the scanner (or I choose to be patted down by TSA Agents). I'm choosing to pass theogh the scanner because it takes less time.
Now... if I go to see my doctor because I sprained my ankle playing softball... and he sticks his finger up my ass... that is not part of the bargain and completely unexpected. Physical... finger up my ass. Sprained ankle... no finger up my ass. That is the expectation.
Also... both are choices i get to make. no one is making me get a physical and no one is making me fly to New York. Both are of my choosing and I understand what is to be expected with both.
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Now... addressing your question... which isn't related to either flying or prostate exams... yes... SOME doctors molest their patients. What does that have to do with anything? SOME priests molest their alter boys... SOME teachers molest their students... SOME parents molest their children. How does that relate to Airport Security?

Wait... so the doctor ISN'T supposed to stick his hand up my arse when I've sprained my ankle?

Son of a bitch...

cajunkiwi

I have to say, setting aside the notion of whether or not the TSA Happy Ending is right/wrong, does anybody else get the impression that Al Qaeda operatives are laughing their arses off over this? Since 9/11 they have managed to inconvenience almost every American who wants to travel anywhere as well as every foreigner who wants to travel to America, and on top of that they've managed to drive a wedge right down the middle of America that is so deep you now have half the country claiming the president is holding office illegally because he's a Muslim from Kenya. Forget flying planes into buildings, it looks like they're doing a better job of ruining America simply by turning its citizens on each other.

cajunkiwi

And now, for my fifth consecutive post on this topic (a sure sign that I really haven't had enough work on my desk today)

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... blades.ars