TSA is not the enemy

lukin2006

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

If you firmly believe the current system is the way to go, then you better believe that it is also being half-assed. What about busses? Subways? With pilots actually being able to arm themselves and airport passengers ready to sacrifice themselves to stop another 9/11, a bomb on a plane is certainly no worse than one on a double decker bus, or in the subway. So where does it end? "If you don't want to be scanned or groped-- don't ride the bus. Don't ride the train. Don't enter a Courthouse, etc..." In America, we are innocent until provent guilty and have the right to be secure in our person. 9/11 took 3,000 lives and some large buildings-- horrible. That's what the terrorists did. Since then, in the name of defending "freedom and our way of life" our own government has done MORE to remove our rights from us than the actual terrorists, and have radicalized more people overseas. We are being defeated by defeating ourselves. Let's also not forget that TSA agents do NOT go through these procedures themselves, and that they have access to plane cargo, and that one of THEM could be a "mole" with better access to blow up a plane than almost anyone else. Profiling is not the answer. Radiation and groping is not the answer. Intelligence gathering combined with a sensible use of metal detctors, baggage screening, some bomb-sniffing dogs would be a better solution in combination with no access to armed pilots in the cockpit-- and that's my solution after 5 minutes of deliberation on this. If it were my job to sit around and think of how to do it better, I definitely would. Airport security should ultimately be up to the airlines, and not the government.

And yes, there have been some serious abuses of this current system. Janet Napolitano said these things can't store images when they clearly can, and hundreds of pictures HAVE leaked from the machines-- better looking people (especially women) have been "randomly chosen" to have their naked pictures taken, people have had their genitalia and bodies made fun of, and others have experienced actual sexual assault from the pat downs. Don't believe me? Look it up, it's out there.

This is no solution. It's the first step in introducing this to every form of public transportation. As a terrorist, why bother trying to blow up the plane when you can easier just blow up the airport itself, or some other public place.

Terrorists instill fear, and their only mission is to disturb someone else's way of life. The only way to beat them is to not be afraid, and go on living our lives with our natural rights fully intact. The guy on the board here, He Still Stands puts it best, to paraphrase-- "Why don't we just cover everything out there with Nerf-style padding? Everyone and everything will be much safer and no one will ever get hurt."
Sorry if I butchered that one, dude.

keeponrockin

polaris_x wrote:

what i find funny is that ... they always issue new changes after a security breach ... so, after the shoe bomber - you had to take your shoes off ... now, no more printer toner cartridges ... it's pretty obvious that they will always be one step behind any terrorist ...

That shoe guy is a pain in the ass. Fuck him. He didn't kill anyone, but he annoyed the shit out of anyone who traveled after him.

Sludge Factory

Cosmo wrote:

Sludge Factory wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

If you firmly believe the current system is the way to go, then you better believe that it is also being half-assed. What about busses? Subways? With pilots actually being able to arm themselves and airport passengers ready to sacrifice themselves to stop another 9/11, a bomb on a plane is certainly no worse than one on a double decker bus, or in the subway. So where does it end? "If you don't want to be scanned or groped-- don't ride the bus. Don't ride the train. Don't enter a Courthouse, etc..." In America, we are innocent until provent guilty and have the right to be secure in our person. 9/11 took 3,000 lives and some large buildings-- horrible. That's what the terrorists did. Since then, in the name of defending "freedom and our way of life" our own government has done MORE to remove our rights from us than the actual terrorists, and have radicalized more people overseas. We are being defeated by defeating ourselves. Let's also not forget that TSA agents do NOT go through these procedures themselves, and that they have access to plane cargo, and that one of THEM could be a "mole" with better access to blow up a plane than almost anyone else. Profiling is not the answer. Radiation and groping is not the answer. Intelligence gathering combined with a sensible use of metal detctors, baggage screening, some bomb-sniffing dogs would be a better solution in combination with no access to armed pilots in the cockpit-- and that's my solution after 5 minutes of deliberation on this. If it were my job to sit around and think of how to do it better, I definitely would. Airport security should ultimately be up to the airlines, and not the government.

And yes, there have been some serious abuses of this current system. Janet Napolitano said these things can't store images when they clearly can, and hundreds of pictures HAVE leaked from the machines-- better looking people (especially women) have been "randomly chosen" to have their naked pictures taken, people have had their genitalia and bodies made fun of, and others have experienced actual sexual assault from the pat downs. Don't believe me? Look it up, it's out there.

This is no solution. It's the first step in introducing this to every form of public transportation. As a terrorist, why bother trying to blow up the plane when you can easier just blow up the airport itself, or some other public place.

Terrorists instill fear, and their only mission is to disturb someone else's way of life. The only way to beat them is to not be afraid, and go on living our lives with our natural rights fully intact. The guy on the board here, He Still Stands puts it best, to paraphrase-- "Why don't we just cover everything out there with Nerf-style padding? Everyone and everything will be much safer and no one will ever get hurt."
Sorry if I butchered that one, dude.

Vinny, I find you more often than not to be the voice of reason in situations such as this. I can't believe how many people think that this is acceptable. None of this makes us any safer, it's all for show.

What's next? Someone hides a bomb up their ass? What then? Do we all need to be anally probed then? Polarisx, you are absolutely right that the TSA is always one step behind and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

What about Michael Chertoff? Doesn't anyone think it is a conflict of interests that a former head of Homeland Security is also profitting off of selling all these scanners to the airports?

The following are just several of the assaults on people by the TSA that I found doing a random internet search:

http://lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html
http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/201 ... h-indecent
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-now-put ... pants.html (yes, yes, I know everyone here abhors prisonplanet, but it doesn't make the fact that this happened to this person any less real so I feel this article by them is relevant)
http://www.ourlittlechatterboxes.com/

I really think Ron Paul has hit the nail on the head with his speech on the floor of congress here:
http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-11-17/ron-p ... -children/

Any one of us would go to jail if we acted in a similar matter as the TSA.

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Seriously... I would hate to be the guy that has to look up my ass. You couldn't pay me enough to look up there... I know... i seen what comes out of there and I would hate to be the guy having to dig around in that thing. It's fucking rank.

LOL...truly the epitome of "shitty" jobs, I'd say

gimmesometruth27

keeponrockin wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

what i find funny is that ... they always issue new changes after a security breach ... so, after the shoe bomber - you had to take your shoes off ... now, no more printer toner cartridges ... it's pretty obvious that they will always be one step behind any terrorist ...

That shoe guy is a pain in the ass. Fuck him. He didn't kill anyone, but he annoyed the shit out of anyone who traveled after him.

yes that guy was a dick. the new rules should have been everyone can fly with the usual security, except for him. he gets the full cavity search...

Cosmo

I pretty much wear a robe and slippers when I fly. I used to wear a lot of layers so I didn't have to pack much... but, now... since they charge me to check a bag, I pack up everything.
So... it is t-shirt, shorts, flip-flops. The only thing I'm carrying... wallet. All that other crap goes in a backpack i carry on.
It'll be different if I ever go to Alaska in February... but, definately packing most of that crap these days.
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Scan away, boys.

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

I don't understand why the screenings are becoming more intrusive, but this is absolutely absurd.

You're telling me it's acceptable to touch and fondle the private parts of law-abiding citizens in the name of security? Is this happening to the Muslim women attempting to board flights?

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Really? You don't understand why you are being screened?
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And YES... Muslim women are being body scanned ot patted down... by female TSA Agents.
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You haven't been to an airport in a while, huh?

no cosmo... E_D doesnt understand why the searches have become more intrusive.


ive always laughed when i was swabbed for explosives cause its waste of their time... i know it and they probably know it too. the only reason i am swabbed/scanned/whatever is so racial profiling can be buried amongst 'random' searches.

Brock Samson

stop randomly selecting people for pat downs. do it to everyone.

catefrances

Brock Samson wrote:

stop randomly selecting people for pat downs. do it to everyone.

yes cause nothing said have a pleasant flight like waiting longer just to get touched up.

Cosmo

catefrances wrote:

no cosmo... E_D doesnt understand why the searches have become more intrusive.


ive always laughed when i was swabbed for explosives cause its waste of their time... i know it and they probably know it too. the only reason i am swabbed/scanned/whatever is so racial profiling can be buried amongst 'random' searches.

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Oh... okay.
I think it's because that a-hole shoe bomber... it was sort of a coincidence that we all have to remove our shoes because of that dickhead.
Then... to make matters worst... the ball sack bomber. They aren't making us drop trou to check... so, the only thing to do is the 'Naked Me' booth.
If you don't want anyone to see your needle dick... you can opt for a cup check. instead of getting mad at the TSA... get mad at that fucking asshole that tried to hide a bomb... under his balls!!! That's the fucking guy we should be pissed at.
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And who knows... someday, some dick will shove a stick of dynamite up his ass... hopefully the dogs will sniff that out, because really... who's shit smells like explosives? No one's, except the guy with a stick of dynamite up his ass.

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

...Then... to make matters worst... the ball sack bomber. They aren't making us drop trou to check... so, the only thing to do is the 'Naked Me' booth.
If you don't want anyone to see your needle dick... you can opt for a cup check. instead of getting mad at the TSA... get mad at that fucking asshole that tried to hide a bomb... under his balls!!! That's the fucking guy we should be pissed at...

that mustve been one small bomb... surely not enough to cause any real damage.



the thought of being touched by a total stranger makes me more apprehensive than the thought of the plane being hijacked or blown up. i cant really abide strnagers touching me. *shiver*

Cosmo

catefrances wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

...Then... to make matters worst... the ball sack bomber. They aren't making us drop trou to check... so, the only thing to do is the 'Naked Me' booth.
If you don't want anyone to see your needle dick... you can opt for a cup check. instead of getting mad at the TSA... get mad at that fucking asshole that tried to hide a bomb... under his balls!!! That's the fucking guy we should be pissed at...

that mustve been one small bomb... surely not enough to cause any real damage.



the thought of being touched by a total stranger makes me more apprehensive than the thought of the plane being hijacked or blown up. i cant really abide strnagers touching me. *shiver*

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Then, go through the scanner. I've had to... it's funny. I tilt my head, crack a big smile and point at my crotch and the guy tells me to 'Keep you arm out, sir'. The other passengers in line get a kick out of it.

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

...Then... to make matters worst... the ball sack bomber. They aren't making us drop trou to check... so, the only thing to do is the 'Naked Me' booth.
If you don't want anyone to see your needle dick... you can opt for a cup check. instead of getting mad at the TSA... get mad at that fucking asshole that tried to hide a bomb... under his balls!!! That's the fucking guy we should be pissed at...

that mustve been one small bomb... surely not enough to cause any real damage.



the thought of being touched by a total stranger makes me more apprehensive than the thought of the plane being hijacked or blown up. i cant really abide strnagers touching me. *shiver*

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Then, go through the scanner. I've had to... it's funny. I tilt my head, crack a big smile and point at my crotch and the guy tells me to 'Keep you arm out, sir'. The other passengers in line get a kick out of it.

oh i have no doubt id go through the scanner. might even tape a smilie face to my belly just for fun. or even better the bird.

Brock Samson

catefrances wrote:

Brock Samson wrote:

stop randomly selecting people for pat downs. do it to everyone.

yes cause nothing said have a pleasant flight like waiting longer just to get touched up.

lol, if they're patting everyone down, you're not waiting any longer than anyone else.

i did like the one idea mentioned earlier in the thread...a self containing chamber that detonates any explosive devices. kinda like the chamber superman went in to make his powers disappear.

unsung

Amazing that most of you have no problem going through a porno scanner or being sexually assaulted by some ignorant TSA thug, but you lose sleep and have serious issues with people from Arizona being asked for an ID.

inmytree

unsung wrote:

Amazing that most of you have no problem going through a porno scanner or being sexually assaulted by some ignorant TSA thug, but you lose sleep and have serious issues with people from Arizona being asked for an ID.

the drama, oh, the drama and the false equivalence...

you sound like a Real Housewife of Beverly Hills...

JonnyPistachio

unsung wrote:

Amazing that most of you have no problem going through a porno scanner or being sexually assaulted by some ignorant TSA thug, but you lose sleep and have serious issues with people from Arizona being asked for an ID.

When you use the melodramatic overtones like 'porno' and 'sexually assulted' and 'fondle', most half intelligent people realize that you are using scare tactics. Good angle though.. :roll:

Electric_Delta wrote:

You're telling me it's acceptable to touch and fondle the private parts of law-abiding citizens in the name of security?

unsung

Are the airlines requiring the scanners and the frisk/patdowns or is the government?

unsung

JonnyPistachio wrote:

When you use the melodramatic overtones like 'porno' and 'sexually assulted' and 'fondle', most half intelligent people realize that you are using scare tactics. Good angle though.. :roll:

So you have no problem with a stranger touching your penis/vagina and also having it done to your SO?

JonnyPistachio

unsung wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

When you use the melodramatic overtones like 'porno' and 'sexually assulted' and 'fondle', most half intelligent people realize that you are using scare tactics. Good angle though.. :roll:

So you have no problem with a stranger touching your penis/vagina and also having it done to your SO?

Once again, your wording doesnt make sense to me. Of course I have a problem with someone touching my penis. Is anyone touching penises? No. They are essenttially frisking with more detail. Its over in 3 seconds.
Pat down my g/f's private area?.. I could care less. I know they are doing a job. Again its over in 3 seconds.

not sure, but I was under the impression that this was a govt thing.

keeponrockin

unsung wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

When you use the melodramatic overtones like 'porno' and 'sexually assulted' and 'fondle', most half intelligent people realize that you are using scare tactics. Good angle though.. :roll:

So you have no problem with a stranger touching your penis/vagina and also having it done to your SO?

None... Like I've said in other threads, I've faced similar pat downs at concerts... If it bothered me that much, I wouldn't go... The scanner doesn't bother me in the least bit. I really don't care if some random person sees my junk...