Fidel Castro tells Ahmadinejad: Stop denying the holocaust
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So I am officially a Fidel Castro fan!
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/fid ... t-1.312815
Fidel Castro tells Ahmadinejad: Stop denying the holocaust
'The Jews have lived an existence that is much harder than ours. There is nothing that compares to the Holocaust,' former Cuban leader tells U.S. journal The Atlantic.
By Natasha Mozgovaya and Haaretz Service
Tags: Israel news Jewish World anti-Semitism Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Cuba's former leader Fidel Castro has urged Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to stop slandering the Jews, according to an article published on the U.S. website The Atlantic on Tuesday.
The ageing revolutionary devoted much of a five-hour conversation to the issue of anti-Semitism, wrote Jeffrey Goldberg, who interviewed Castro in the Cuban capital Havana.
Fidel Castro
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Castro told The Atlantic that the Iranian government should understand the consequences anti-Semitism.
"This went on for maybe two thousand years," he said. "I don't think anyone has been slandered more than the Jews. I would say much more than the Muslims. They have been slandered much more than the Muslims because they are blamed and slandered for everything. No one blames the Muslims for anything."
He added: "The Jews have lived an existence that is much harder than ours. There is nothing that compares to the Holocaust."
Asked by Goldberg if he would repeat his comments to Ahmadinejad, Castro said. "I am saying this so you can communicate it."
Following the interview, Goldberg spoke with Haaretz about his impression of the thinking behind Castro's comments.
"I think he [Castro] realizes he's gone too far in certain criticisms of Israel," Goldberg said.
"I think he wants to be a player in this issue; and I think he's genuinely offended by Holocaust denial."
Ahmadinejad has publicy called the Holocaust "a myth", claiming Jews exaggerated the Nazi genocide to win sympathy from European governemnts.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/fid ... t-1.312815
Fidel Castro tells Ahmadinejad: Stop denying the holocaust
'The Jews have lived an existence that is much harder than ours. There is nothing that compares to the Holocaust,' former Cuban leader tells U.S. journal The Atlantic.
By Natasha Mozgovaya and Haaretz Service
Tags: Israel news Jewish World anti-Semitism Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Cuba's former leader Fidel Castro has urged Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to stop slandering the Jews, according to an article published on the U.S. website The Atlantic on Tuesday.
The ageing revolutionary devoted much of a five-hour conversation to the issue of anti-Semitism, wrote Jeffrey Goldberg, who interviewed Castro in the Cuban capital Havana.
Fidel Castro
Photo by: AP
Castro told The Atlantic that the Iranian government should understand the consequences anti-Semitism.
"This went on for maybe two thousand years," he said. "I don't think anyone has been slandered more than the Jews. I would say much more than the Muslims. They have been slandered much more than the Muslims because they are blamed and slandered for everything. No one blames the Muslims for anything."
He added: "The Jews have lived an existence that is much harder than ours. There is nothing that compares to the Holocaust."
Asked by Goldberg if he would repeat his comments to Ahmadinejad, Castro said. "I am saying this so you can communicate it."
Following the interview, Goldberg spoke with Haaretz about his impression of the thinking behind Castro's comments.
"I think he [Castro] realizes he's gone too far in certain criticisms of Israel," Goldberg said.
"I think he wants to be a player in this issue; and I think he's genuinely offended by Holocaust denial."
Ahmadinejad has publicy called the Holocaust "a myth", claiming Jews exaggerated the Nazi genocide to win sympathy from European governemnts.
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this is facts and does not by any means reflect my opinion.
Yes, please do so. I'm interested to know what you mean here.
lol
and count me in on looking for a clarification from outlaw... I wasn't a history major, but I can't recall anything on the scale of the Holocaust ever happening.
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The holocaust is not history's only example of genocide. Does modern history start in 1939? What are we comparing here? Death tolls? Methods?
As for Outlaw's :roll: ...I'll just say, well, here we go...
He could be from America but that's my best guess.
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I still find it unbelievable that there are idiots on this planet that believe the holocaust is a hoax. If it was, it was the most elaborate and costly hoax ever put together. I think it's more likely that they do believe it happened but just use their denial for political reasons. Visit Aushwitz Ahmadinejad and explain that.
Do you know of another war or genocide that killed 11 million people?
Whatever anyone's legitimate problems with the current situation between Israelis and Palestinians, there's really no need to stoop to rolling your eyes at how horrible the Holocaust was - for humanity, not just for Jews.
Oh, I know exactly where this sentiment comes from. But that wasn't even mentioned here in this thread so if that's the reason he did it I submit that it was completely pre-emptive and unjustified.
And I find it hypocritical that people who bristle at the idea of the Holocaust being inserted into the debate about the current situation in Israel don't hesitate to insert their feelings about the current situation in Israel into a discussion of the Holocaust.
Maybe the eye-roll was a reaction to the debate being led down that path? I don't know...
I think I'll bow out of this one; I'm merely speculating...it's outlaw's emoticon to defend.
Good to see you posting here again, anyway
I understand that you are playing the part of the Devil's Advocate... and I looked at that side of the ledger, too. The Turkish slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians comes to mind.
But the Holocaust perpetrated by the Germans in the 1940s was so systematic... with efficiency of an auto manufacturing or a meat processing plant, it was horrifying. It brought genocide into the industrial age.
So, while there certainly are comparisons to be drawn... the holocaust stands in the forefront of Man's capability of inhumanity.
Hail, Hail!!!
Well said.
You could also mention the Ukrainian famine engineered by Stalin (not to mention the general purging of just about everyone), but I would agree that to some degree we're not just talking about numbers, but the fact that the holocaust was carried out on an industrial scale by industrial means.
it is because I have respect for those who suffered during the massacre that I think it's particularly disgusting how their memories are abused for political purposes. this is a perfect example. while i don't in any way mean to defend Ahmadinejad, this article is used to demonize him for political purposes. there are examples of many people in countries friendly to Israel who often say horribly anti-Semitic things including holocaust denial, but they get ignored especially by mainstream media because it would hurt them politically to target such people. But because it is politically convenient to target Iran, they do so.
Last, I disagree with michelle when she said (roughly) that "it's hypocritical to mention the holocaust in a political context" due to the fact that this is not a historical discussion on the holocaust and the article has obvious political implications.
I think ogre was being provocative (read: trolling) by highlighting that line...he knew full well he'd be called on it.
Does anyone believe we won't hear from ogre again in this thread, or what he meant by supporting that statement?
it is because I have respect for those who suffered during the massacre that I think it's particularly disgusting how their memories are abused for political purposes. this is a perfect example. while i don't in any way mean to defend Ahmadinejad, this article is used to demonize him for political purposes. there are examples of many people in countries friendly to Israel who often say horribly anti-Semitic things including holocaust denial, but they get ignored especially by mainstream media because it would hurt them politically to target such people. But because it is politically convenient to target Iran, they do so.
Last, I disagree with michelle when she said (roughly) that "it's hypocritical to mention the holocaust in a political context" due to the fact that this is not a historical discussion on the holocaust and the article has obvious political implications.[/quote]
What are the roots of your deep feelings towards anything related to Judaism?
BTW, Happy Rosh Hassanah!
I am surprised no one has complained how we run on a different calendar!
The guy is just stiring the pot...
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I don't think anyone believes this is a competition, other that the most dim-witted amongst us... or that anyone believes other genocides are lessened. But, when you mention the term, 'Genocide'... the Holocaust always pops to the forefront. Why is that?
And when I say it was so industrial... I meant it was so nonchalant... indifferent... almost like a place of employment. Yeah, getting chased down and macheted is horrific... but, the hatred is clearly visible. The hatred in the holocaust wasn't as clearly visable... and more like processing raw materials or leather goods.
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Finally, there is a huge difference between saying there were worse genocides in Man's history... and denying that the Holocaust never occurred. Which is the basis of this thread.
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Castro: "Ahmadinejad is Anti-Semitic. Nobody's been slandered more than the Jews.
The Missile Crisis wasn't worth it all. Oh, and I win."
Mao Tse Tung. Perhaps over 40 million during the cultural revolution...
"About 2 million Cambodians are estimated to have died in waves of murder, torture, and starvation, aimed particularly at the educated and intellectual elite. Following their leader Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge imposed an extreme form of social engineering on Cambodian society — a radical form of agrarian communism where the whole population had to work in collective farms or forced labor projects. In terms of the number of people killed as a proportion of the population (est. 7.1 million people, as of 1975), it was the most lethal regime of the 20th century."