This is what an abortion looks like

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This is everything that comes out of the uterus for an abortion at 5-6 weeks of pregnancy. The forceps are pointing to the gestational sac. The rest of the tissue is the lining of the uterus.


Gestational sac from the abortion of a 6-7 week pregnancy. (They left out the lining of the uterus in this one.)

For all of you who think having an abortion necessarily kills a person, please identify the person in these photographs. The majority of abortions occur at less than 9 weeks of pregnancy (in the United States). The pictures commonly associated with abortion represent less than 0.07% of abortions. If you don't believe in abortion - fine; I just want people's beliefs to be based on accurate information.

BinauralJam

:shock: i think i sneezed once, and had an abortion.

theserialthrilla

life...its amazing how it grows and changes..

dasvidana

BinauralJam wrote:

:shock: i think i sneezed once, and had an abortion.

dimitrispearljam

BinauralJam wrote:

:shock: i think i sneezed once, and had an abortion.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I'm one of the few that actually is still on the fence on this issue (seems to me most are either way on one side or the other-not in the middle). I think it's important that a woman has the right to choose, but even if it looks like a sneeze at that stage, you are still snuffing out potential life, which also bothers me. And it's not a religious thing. I am agnostic.

I guess it's because I'm a parent of two beautiful daughters, and can't imagine having stopped their lives before they started. They are the most perfect little girls, it just breaks my heart to think, in hindsight of course, that it's legal to abort them.

But hey, hindsight is 20/20. Everyone's situation is different......I'm no judge...........I just know what I THINK I would do, and what I have done.

That being said.........my ex from several years ago had a miscarriage shortly before we split, and I feel like it's horrible to say, I'm glad she did. I can't imagine being tied to that nut for the rest of my life. But I've also always wondered what that baby would have turned out to be. But I guess it was nature's decision.

Shawshank

This is an argument I usually don't engage in, because I believe circumstances occur where abortion is the only option. With that being said, if you want people to base their belief on accurate information then why don't you zoom in. I don't think anyone is under the misconception that babies are aborted wearing their Huggies and snuggling up with a Tickle Me Elmo. However, in that little "blob" for lack of a better term, is an embryo with a beating heart, most of their organs have either developed or are in the process of developing, little buds of their limbs have formed, and during this 5-7 week period is when they transition most. By 6 weeks, there's no mistaking it's a baby.

catefrances

Paul David wrote:

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That being said.........my ex from several years ago had a miscarriage shortly before we split, and I feel like it's horrible to say, I'm glad she did. I can't imagine being tied to that nut for the rest of my life. But I've also always wondered what that baby would have turned out to be. But I guess it was nature's decision.

ive been there too. but i have enough living children that my guess as to what my other 2 would have been like would be a good one. sometimes i think about it but it doesnt last long cause theres no point really.

Drowned Out

Paul David wrote:

I'm one of the few that actually is still on the fence on this issue (seems to me most are either way on one side or the other-not in the middle). I think it's important that a woman has the right to choose, but even if it looks like a sneeze at that stage, you are still snuffing out potential life, which also bothers me.

You're not on the fence...you're taking the position that most reasonable people take.
Not because it's a GOOD thing, or a necessary form of birth control...you don't even have to support the decision...but you're recognizing that it's not your decision to make. This puts you at odds with the pro-life crowd, whether you feel you're taking a side or not.

ajedigecko

so.....begin posting pictures of each stage of human development. at what point of human development, will you cease to post the pictures?


it is human development, regardless of the number of week(s).

CJMST3K

So, scb, why is there only photos of the earliest possibly abortion? If you really believe in your position, which I believe you've said is abortion for practically any age fetus, why not post photos of all of the ages that you agree should be legal for? You started this thread, so lets see you see it thru.

scb wrote:

For all of you who think having an abortion necessarily kills a person, please identify the person in these photographs.

Fair enough... So please post photos of abortions at all stages that YOU support. Whatever age photos you omit, I will assume you don't support.

scb wrote:

I just want people's beliefs to be based on accurate information.

Me too. Lets see photos of all age abortions, so we can see ACCURATE information.

cincybearcat

Drowned Out wrote:

you're taking the position that most reasonable people take.

What a ridiculous statement. There are reasonable people on both sides of this discussion. Neither side has more or less.

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Shawshank wrote:

This is an argument I usually don't engage in, because I believe circumstances occur where abortion is the only option. With that being said, if you want people to base their belief on accurate information then why don't you zoom in. I don't think anyone is under the misconception that babies are aborted wearing their Huggies and snuggling up with a Tickle Me Elmo. However, in that little "blob" for lack of a better term, is an embryo with a beating heart, most of their organs have either developed or are in the process of developing, little buds of their limbs have formed, and during this 5-7 week period is when they transition most. By 6 weeks, there's no mistaking it's a baby.

Of course everything is in the process of developing from the moment the egg and sperm meet. My purpose was to demonstrate what stage of development it's actually at and what abortions actually look like at this point in pregnancy. They don't look like the pictures you see people holding outside abortion clinics saying, "This is what you're doing to your baby." It's at the stage of development where it can't be seen with the naked eye - and the early ones can't even be seen with transvaginal ultrasound.

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ajedigecko wrote:

so.....begin posting pictures of each stage of human development. at what point of human development, will you cease to post the pictures?


it is human development, regardless of the number of week(s).

I would post more, but these are the only ones I could find that are representative of early abortions, which most women have.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

don't take that harsher than it is. I think they just meant "reasonable" as in "not a zealot".

cincybearcat wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

you're taking the position that most reasonable people take.

What a ridiculous statement. There are reasonable people on both sides of this discussion. Neither side has more or less.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I see what you're saying, but from most of the pro-choice folks I speak to, the process doesn't seem to bother them as much as it bothers me.

Drowned Out wrote:

Paul David wrote:

I'm one of the few that actually is still on the fence on this issue (seems to me most are either way on one side or the other-not in the middle). I think it's important that a woman has the right to choose, but even if it looks like a sneeze at that stage, you are still snuffing out potential life, which also bothers me.

You're not on the fence...you're taking the position that most reasonable people take.
Not because it's a GOOD thing, or a necessary form of birth control...you don't even have to support the decision...but you're recognizing that it's not your decision to make. This puts you at odds with the pro-life crowd, whether you feel you're taking a side or not.

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CJMST3K wrote:

So, scb, why is there only photos of the earliest possibly abortion? If you really believe in your position, which I believe you've said is abortion for practically any age fetus, why not post photos of all of the ages that you agree should be legal for? You started this thread, so lets see you see it thru.

scb wrote:

For all of you who think having an abortion necessarily kills a person, please identify the person in these photographs.

Fair enough... So please post photos of abortions at all stages that YOU support. Whatever age photos you omit, I will assume you don't support.

scb wrote:

I just want people's beliefs to be based on accurate information.

Me too. Lets see photos of all age abortions, so we can see ACCURATE information.

MOST abortions are at less than 9 weeks gestation. These are the first photographs I've ever found online of what is seen when abortion is performed at less than 9 weeks. If I could find more, I would post them. My point is to show what it really looks like at the stage that MOST abortions occur. My position about how late they should be ALLOWED to occur is not relevant to when they actually DO occur.

Do abortions occur when the fetus is more developed? Yes. But when your sister or girlfriend or daughter has an abortion, chances are that is NOT the kind of abortion they are having - yet people associate those images with early abortions. I just think people should have the opportunity to associate accurate images with the abortions that are most likely occurring around them.

mrvedderson

how often people forget that there are LIVING little swimmers made inside each man.

Drowned Out

cincybearcat wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

you're taking the position that most reasonable people take.

What a ridiculous statement. There are reasonable people on both sides of this discussion. Neither side has more or less.

I think the pro-life side make a ton of valid points which cant' be disputed... However, I don't feel that it's reasonable for me to make a blanket judgement, for everyone. Obviously, most people feel this is the most reasonable position, or there would not be legal abortions. I don't really care if you think that's ridiculous; it's my opinion.

PD - Anyone who really thinks about the topic is deeply affected, unless they're just callous to begin with...and in my experience, once you have kids, those affects are multiplied by a bazillion. I know what you're saying too...but I think you're mistaken. I think most people just state their position casually because they don't want to think about how ugly the reality it is.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Drowned Out wrote:

PD - Anyone who really thinks about the topic is deeply affected, unless they're just callous to begin with...and in my experience, once you have kids, those affects are multiplied by a bazillion. I know what you're saying too...but I think you're mistaken. I think most people just state their position casually because they don't want to think about how ugly the reality it is.

but I think that might be the issue, that not all people think of it in the same terms as I/you do. they may not be looking at it as a living being, as many pro-choice folks don't believe it's a human being until it comes out of the womb. I think many are so focused on the rights of the individual it might cause them not to think about the smaller individual. It's all perception, really. If someone doesn't think it's a living being at that stage, then I don't think that person can be defined as callous.

I also need to point out I also can't decide at what point I consider the fetus an actual person. Which is part of my "position" problem.

Drowned Out

Paul David wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

but I think that might be the issue, that not all people think of it in the same terms as I/you do. they may not be looking at it as a living being, as many pro-choice folks don't believe it's a human being until it comes out of the womb. I think many are so focused on the rights of the individual it might cause them not to think about the smaller individual. It's all perception, really. If someone doesn't think it's a living being at that stage, then I don't think that person can be defined as callous.

I also need to point out I also can't decide at what point I consider the fetus an actual person. Which is part of my "position" problem.

ya we're on the same page....I agree with all of this...except that I don't know of anyone who thinks life begins at birth. Absolutely, the grey line of 'life' is the detail that makes this such a hard topic. I sometimes feel like I'm taking the easy way out by saying 'its not my decision'...but really, I don't think it is...because I don't know the circumstances of each individual case, and it's none of my business.

Shawshank

scb wrote:

Of course everything is in the process of developing from the moment the egg and sperm meet. My purpose was to demonstrate what stage of development it's actually at and what abortions actually look like at this point in pregnancy. They don't look like the pictures you see people holding outside abortion clinics saying, "This is what you're doing to your baby." It's at the stage of development where it can't be seen with the naked eye - and the early ones can't even be seen with transvaginal ultrasound.

Sorry, but embryos at 5-7 weeks can be seen with the naked eye. They are slightly smaller than your average peanut, about a 1/4 to 1/2 inch. The best thing you could do is take an anatomy class and then you will quickly realize there's a lot missing from the photos that you posted.

gimmesometruth27

i view this from a science and anatomy and physiology perspective...can that blob of cells at this point in the pregnancy survive and thrive on it's own independant of the mother or machines? no. so in my opinion not a baby. sorry, but to me something that can not live independent of the mother or be kept alive artificially does not qualify as a human being.

if that blob of cells was the product and result of rape or incest would it change your opinion?

i am pro choice, as in i am for a woman's right to choose what happens to and within her own body. that does not make me pro death or pro abortion. this is a choice that a woman has to make with consultation from her physician and she has to live with that decision. i think that is enough anguish to deal with, and there does not need to be people protesting her at a clinic that do not know her and do not know her situation. that is just outright hate for someone that you do not know, but hey, that happens every day in 'merica....

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Shawshank wrote:

scb wrote:

Of course everything is in the process of developing from the moment the egg and sperm meet. My purpose was to demonstrate what stage of development it's actually at and what abortions actually look like at this point in pregnancy. They don't look like the pictures you see people holding outside abortion clinics saying, "This is what you're doing to your baby." It's at the stage of development where it can't be seen with the naked eye - and the early ones can't even be seen with transvaginal ultrasound.

Sorry, but embryos at 5-7 weeks can be seen with the naked eye. They are slightly smaller than your average peanut, about a 1/4 to 1/2 inch. The best thing you could do is take an anatomy class and then you will quickly realize there's a lot missing from the photos that you posted.

Please show it to us in the picture then. Or are you suggesting the people taking the photograph took out the embryo and left everything else in just to be deceitful? :?

If you're suggesting the latter, please explain why so many women have miscarriages and never know or have medication abortions and watch for a baby to come out and never see anything.

ETA: Would it make you feel better if I said it's not distinguishable by the naked eye? Or it can't be identified by the naked (and trained) eye?? As speck of dust can be seen with the naked eye if all the conditions are just right; that doesn't mean you could find it if you were looking for it though.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

my one year old couldn't survive without my wife or I. she's a human being. (I know what you mean, just being a d*ck! )

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i view this from a science and anatomy and physiology perspective...can that blob of cells at this point in the pregnancy survive and thrive on it's own independant of the mother or machines? no. so in my opinion not a baby. sorry, but to me something that can not live independent of the mother or be kept alive artificially does not qualify as a human being.

if that blob of cells was the product and result of rape or incest would it change your opinion?

i am pro choice, as in i am for a woman's right to choose what happens to and within her own body. that does not make me pro death or pro abortion. this is a choice that a woman has to make with consultation from her physician and she has to live with that decision. i think that is enough anguish to deal with, and there does not need to be people protesting her at a clinic that do not know her and do not know her situation. that is just outright hate for someone that you do not know, but hey, that happens every day in 'merica....

Hugh Freaking Dillon

unfortunately, some women DO use it as birth control, out of laziness, or stupidity, or whathaveyou. I had "relations" with a friend once, who I later found out from a mutal friend had previously had SIX, count em SIX, abortions. She didn't take birth control. She just thought "if it happens I'll take care of it".

I almost threw up. She may as well just have carried around a coat hanger as a do-it-yourself kit.

CJMST3K

Paul David wrote:

unfortunately, some women DO use it as birth control, out of laziness, or stupidity, or whathaveyou. I had "relations" with a friend once, who I later found out from a mutal friend had previously had SIX, count em SIX, abortions. She didn't take birth control. She just thought "if it happens I'll take care of it".

I almost threw up. She may as well just have carried around a coat hanger as a do-it-yourself kit.

I was involved with a woman with the same philosophy.

The "women don't use abortion as a method of birth control" line that I've heard on this board before is naive.

CJMST3K

scb wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

So, scb, why is there only photos of the earliest possibly abortion? If you really believe in your position, which I believe you've said is abortion for practically any age fetus, why not post photos of all of the ages that you agree should be legal for? You started this thread, so lets see you see it thru.

scb wrote:

For all of you who think having an abortion necessarily kills a person, please identify the person in these photographs.

Fair enough... So please post photos of abortions at all stages that YOU support. Whatever age photos you omit, I will assume you don't support.

scb wrote:

I just want people's beliefs to be based on accurate information.

Me too. Lets see photos of all age abortions, so we can see ACCURATE information.

MOST abortions are at less than 9 weeks gestation. These are the first photographs I've ever found online of what is seen when abortion is performed at less than 9 weeks. If I could find more, I would post them. My point is to show what it really looks like at the stage that MOST abortions occur. My position about how late they should be ALLOWED to occur is not relevant to when they actually DO occur.

Do abortions occur when the fetus is more developed? Yes. But when your sister or girlfriend or daughter has an abortion, chances are that is NOT the kind of abortion they are having - yet people associate those images with early abortions. I just think people should have the opportunity to associate accurate images with the abortions that are most likely occurring around them.

So... are you uncomfortable showing the photos of later abortions? I mean, people might actually answer your "please identify the person in these photographs" question then. Abortions are allowed until later terms than 9 weeks, and there are photos of them... so, clearly they DO occur. I'm not saying they are most, but they are significant enough to discuss, especially when you pose a loaded question of "please identify the person in these photographs".

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CJMST3K wrote:

Paul David wrote:

unfortunately, some women DO use it as birth control, out of laziness, or stupidity, or whathaveyou. I had "relations" with a friend once, who I later found out from a mutal friend had previously had SIX, count em SIX, abortions. She didn't take birth control. She just thought "if it happens I'll take care of it".

I almost threw up. She may as well just have carried around a coat hanger as a do-it-yourself kit.

I was involved with a woman with the same philosophy.

The "women don't use abortion as a method of birth control" line that I've heard on this board before is naive.

Since this thread is about accurate representation of what most abortions look like and not social issues or reasons women choose abortion, all I'm going to say about that is :roll: .

FiveB247x

Is it mass murder or delicious double homicide ;-) As George Carlin used to say, how come with humans it's an abortion, but with chickens, it's an omelette? Since when did humans pass chickens on the goodness scale?

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CJMST3K wrote:

scb wrote:

MOST abortions are at less than 9 weeks gestation. These are the first photographs I've ever found online of what is seen when abortion is performed at less than 9 weeks. If I could find more, I would post them. My point is to show what it really looks like at the stage that MOST abortions occur. My position about how late they should be ALLOWED to occur is not relevant to when they actually DO occur.

Do abortions occur when the fetus is more developed? Yes. But when your sister or girlfriend or daughter has an abortion, chances are that is NOT the kind of abortion they are having - yet people associate those images with early abortions. I just think people should have the opportunity to associate accurate images with the abortions that are most likely occurring around them.

So... are you uncomfortable showing the photos of later abortions? I mean, people might actually answer your "please identify the person in these photographs" question then. Abortions are allowed until later terms than 9 weeks, and there are photos of them... so, clearly they DO occur. I'm not saying they are most, but they are significant enough to discuss, especially when you pose a loaded question of "please identify the person in these photographs".

Of course I'm not uncomfortable posting pictures of late abortions - but I suspect that the mods might be uncomfortable with it. I'm not really clear what part of "Here's what EARLY abortions look like" or "identify the person in THESE photographs" you don't understand. Are you really incapable of acknowledging that most abortions don't look anything like the very few late term abortions with which you seem to be so obsessed?? :?