Being out here in the UK, and having a degree of fascination in the race for election, can someone fill me in on the apparent dislike of Clinton, i.e. the reasons why.....
Being from England I am one of many who has then upmost respect for her husband, who still stands out as one of the finest leaders in my lifetime. Sure some will disagree, but he is held in high esteem over here....
I think kermit the fucking frog would do a better job than your current man in charge....
The dislike for Clinton goes back to the late 1980s, when Kenneth Starr opened an investigation calle the Arkansas Project on the Clintons to dig up dirt on them for Republicans to use in the upcoming election (although Clinton did not run until the '92 election, he was seen as the up-and comer in the Democratic Party). This is where you get things like "Clinton murdered Vince Foster" and the crap about Whitewater, both of which are factually completely false, but are perpetuated on television or the radio daily by the likes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.
It took Starr 8 years to get anything on Clinton, which was his false testimony given during the Paula Jones trial. He was then busted for it, and deservidly so. THe overall hatred of the Clinton's is really hard to explain. It mostly comes from the far-right, which is kinda bizarre because the Clintons are both very moderate, politically (remember, Clinton left office with an approval rating in the 70s, so most people did like him, despite the BS with Lewinsky).
This is not coming from a Clinton appologist, because I will not vote for her. If she is the nominee, i will vote 3rd party (i live in illinois, so it won't matter anyway, the state will go Dem.). All the crazyness about her bringing in socialism and whatnot is a rallying cry for opponents as well, although a quick look at her voting record and her policy proposals show that she is the most moderate candidate out there.
Anyways, hope that is somewhat usefull to our friend on the other side of the pond...
The dislike for Clinton goes back to the late 1980s, when Kenneth Starr opened an investigation calle the Arkansas Project on the Clintons to dig up dirt on them for Republicans to use in the upcoming election (although Clinton did not run until the '92 election, he was seen as the up-and comer in the Democratic Party). This is where you get things like "Clinton murdered Vince Foster" and the crap about Whitewater, both of which are factually completely false, but are perpetuated on television or the radio daily by the likes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.
It took Starr 8 years to get anything on Clinton, which was his false testimony given during the Paula Jones trial. He was then busted for it, and deservidly so. THe overall hatred of the Clinton's is really hard to explain. It mostly comes from the far-right, which is kinda bizarre because the Clintons are both very moderate, politically (remember, Clinton left office with an approval rating in the 70s, so most people did like him, despite the BS with Lewinsky).
This is not coming from a Clinton appologist, because I will not vote for her. If she is the nominee, i will vote 3rd party (i live in illinois, so it won't matter anyway, the state will go Dem.). All the crazyness about her bringing in socialism and whatnot is a rallying cry for opponents as well, although a quick look at her voting record and her policy proposals show that she is the most moderate candidate out there.
Anyways, hope that is somewhat usefull to our friend on the other side of the pond...
Wow. I think you give your fellow Americans wayyyyyy too much credit if you really think that this is why the Clintons are disliked. This is a very good explanation and seriously impressive (I mean that).
I think for a lot of Americans its the fact that Hillary is perceived as not being supportive to women who decided to make their homes their careers (remember the "I'm not some little woman standing by my man making cookies" remark)? And Bill is basically a cheating womanizer, so that makes it easy for a certain portion of the populace to hate him.
"If you're looking for someone to pull you out of that ditch, you're out of luck."
All the crazyness about her bringing in socialism and whatnot is a rallying cry for opponents as well, although a quick look at her voting record and her policy proposals show that she is the most moderate candidate out there.
Anyways, hope that is somewhat usefull to our friend on the other side of the pond...
Have you seen her health care plan? You can call it what you like, but it's pure socialism.
Wow. I think you give your fellow Americans wayyyyyy too much credit if you really think that this is why the Clintons are disliked. This is a very good explanation and seriously impressive (I mean that).
I think for a lot of Americans its the fact that Hillary is perceived as not being supportive to women who decided to make their homes their careers (remember the "I'm not some little woman standing by my man making cookies" remark)? And Bill is basically a cheating womanizer, so that makes it easy for a certain portion of the populace to hate him.
true enough on the woman part, although i think many women then were opening up to the women in the workplace concept, and many saw it as great for equal rights. of course, can't argue with the Bill stuff, cause he made some mistakes (some big ones) with his personal life. that's an easy target, obviously.
as for me giving the American people credit...no, oposite. I think the American people are so fucking stupid that they believe any little talking point that they hear, why is why the Clinton hatred is alive and well. i think if people actually did some research, they wouldn't have to rely on sean hannity for their "news," cause they would see that he is, litterally, making shit up every night on the air. i say don't vote for Clinton, but that's cause i don't agree with her politically.
Have you seen her health care plan? You can call it what you like, but it's pure socialism.
false. the only true "socialism" plan, if that is what we are calling it, is dennis kucinich's proposal. an acurate description would be "single-payer," where, instead of people having to spend money on insuarance (if they can afford it), everyone is covered. hillary's plan is just a hand-out to the drug companies and insurance companies, like almost all the others.
false. the only true "socialism" plan, if that is what we are calling it, is dennis kucinich's proposal. an acurate description would be "single-payer," where, instead of people having to spend money on insuarance (if they can afford it), everyone is covered. hillary's plan is just a hand-out to the drug companies and insurance companies, like almost all the others.
Educate yourself. No one in the country has any idea about economics. Cripes!
what the hell, aside from a bunch of shit about ron paul, am i supposed to be looking at on that site to "educate" myself about hillary clinton's health care proposal?? plus, i don't need to educate myself on her plan. i already know what it is. i will admit that there have been many stupid ass posts from people that need educating on this thread, but i am not one of them. obviously you are on the other side of the politcal spectrum, which is fine.
and if that is a reputable website, why is ron paul writing columns for them?
Even if it's the best option (not saying it is)?
I refuse to vote for a party....vote the person, not the party.
The thing is, I used to think the same thing. But all the consevative opinions...are just flat out wrong. Its not that I don't want to vote for the best candidate, but they all always seem to be Democrats. I supported Clinton in 1996, Gore in 2000, and Obama now. In my opinion, the Republicans are just wrong on all issues. I want to vote for the best candidate, but they all seem to be liberals.
Hillary is better than Guiliani, Huckabee, Romney, Paul, and McCain.
Obama is better than Guiliani, Huckabee, Romney, Paul, and McCain
Alarmed at some of the evolution denials and "bring Christ back to the White House" comments he's made, I decided to look a little deeper into what Mike Huckabee is all about. After spending a week checking sources and making sure this wasn't some horrible dream, I was compelled to write this piece for my job, aptly titled "I Call Bullshit: Mike Huckabee". I'd be interested to know what anyone thinks about it. I'm still in shock over some of the shit I discovered.
Alarmed at some of the evolution denials and "bring Christ back to the White House" comments he's made, I decided to look a little deeper into what Mike Huckabee is all about. After spending a week checking sources and making sure this wasn't some horrible dream, I was compelled to write this piece for my job, aptly titled "I Call Bullshit: Mike Huckabee". I'd be interested to know what anyone thinks about it. I'm still in shock over some of the shit I discovered.
Thanks for your assistance, not living the day to day politics in your country as you do its hard to get a handle on it despite having a great interest. I think we miss out over here on the finer points, and just get fed through our media the substantive obvious bits.
It does seem though, that Bill doesnt have many critics on his politics and his occupancy of the office, more so his personal life, which although a huge mistake, means nothing to me. I do not advocate for that type of behaviour, but to be fair he's human, and he made a very personal and very well documented mistake, but it was hardly a reflection on how he ran the country.
I have read his book with great interest and found him to remarkable, a seemingly very giving person, and one that has a serious amount of time for joe public even today.
Hilary however I know nothing about!!! which lead to my post wondering why she was so unpopular or so it seems. Looks like I have some reading to do.
I see the point opn Clintons popularity being 70 on his leaving, anyone have a clue on Bush's - surely cant be good?? It seems odd that the Us and the Uk both seem to have leaders who are so far removed from society and so useless at this point in time.
The dislike for Clinton goes back to the late 1980s, when Kenneth Starr opened an investigation calle the Arkansas Project on the Clintons to dig up dirt on them for Republicans to use in the upcoming election (although Clinton did not run until the '92 election, he was seen as the up-and comer in the Democratic Party). This is where you get things like "Clinton murdered Vince Foster" and the crap about Whitewater, both of which are factually completely false, but are perpetuated on television or the radio daily by the likes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.
It took Starr 8 years to get anything on Clinton, which was his false testimony given during the Paula Jones trial. He was then busted for it, and deservidly so. THe overall hatred of the Clinton's is really hard to explain. It mostly comes from the far-right, which is kinda bizarre because the Clintons are both very moderate, politically (remember, Clinton left office with an approval rating in the 70s, so most people did like him, despite the BS with Lewinsky).
This is not coming from a Clinton appologist, because I will not vote for her. If she is the nominee, i will vote 3rd party (i live in illinois, so it won't matter anyway, the state will go Dem.). All the crazyness about her bringing in socialism and whatnot is a rallying cry for opponents as well, although a quick look at her voting record and her policy proposals show that she is the most moderate candidate out there.
Anyways, hope that is somewhat usefull to our friend on the other side of the pond...
First of all, I love Ron Paul, but the guy has no chance. The people are not ready for a totally free country. I wish they were, but it seems that there are to many baby boomers in charge for someone like him to be elected.
I do like John Edwards. He has my vote in the primary. Now, of he doesn't get the nomination (which is very likely) I would vote for Obama, or Hillary. Hopefully it will not come down to Hillary, but it may.
As far as the republicans, well, John McCain is a complete NUT. My father was in Viet Nam, and I commend his service and imprisonment, I fear his foreign policy.
Rudy Guiliani is stuck in New York. While he was a great mayor during a national crisis, I am not sure he can get past that, and run a country.
Mitt Romney, is in it for the glory (no proof,just opinion) his views change like the wind.
Mike Huckabee is wanting the change the constitution to reflect God's Will. Now, I am a Christian, and have Christian beliefs, but I do not think you can run a country from ONE point of view, when we are such a diverse group. There has to be room for everyone.
Fred Thompson, is well, Fred Thompson. I know he has a great deal of political experience, but he has "played" a president, not sure he could be one without a script.
Ron Paul, he is the one that has the best interest of everyone in mind, he has great ideas, but there is no way the richest people is this country will let him get the nomination, even if he has the most votes.
Yes, I think we live under the illusion of Democracy. They are trying to tell us what to think, feel and do. We are no longer "The American People". We have become "The American Consumer".
I also think that Barack Obama, should NOT lose because he is Black, or that Hillary should NOT lose because she is a woman, and Mitt should NOT lost because he is a Morman, they should lose (if they do) due to their politics, not their Race, Gender or Religion.
So, as I said earlier. I am a John Edwards Supporter. Then my list goes from there.
Voting for Obama here in the Primary, but come November whoever is the Democrat nominee will get my vote.
It is so unbelievable here in Texass. I have people, people who I work with who I thought to be intelligent, who have told me that (1) Southern voters will never vote for a black man. (2) If Obama wins I am moving to Canada...He is a muslim!........I nearly fell out of my chair. This is not even the real redneck part of Texass, basically in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex and so many of these folks are believing the bullshit emails they receive from the KKK or whoever saying that Obama is a Muslim, he took his oath on the Koran and of course they have a real hard time getting past the fact that he is black. I tell you itmakes me sick to my stomach. I have remained defiant, in that I am not letting it beat me down and giving up. So I am working on everybody I can, usually on a one on one basis and trying to tap into their brains and get it to open up a bit.
I get a bit demoralized but then I go home and read "The Audacity of Hope" and find inspiration to keep believing.
I also get soem inspiration from Pearl Jam's "Undone"..........Change don't come at once its a wave, building before it breaks.
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I am from Alabama, and I too, run into people who believe all of the gossip and lies circulating about Barack and other Candidates. My mother was one of them. I have a 3 year old daughter and I want her to see PEOPLE not color or Religion. Now, Like I said earlier, I do not want Barack to lose because he is black, I want people to look past each physical and religious difference and vote for the person they believe has the best in mind for this Country.
Hopefully, people can do that. I do have faith, that someday, we will grow up and the national IQ level will rise enough to get the level of understanding and peace that we all need and desire.
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First of all, I love Ron Paul, but the guy has no chance. The people are not ready for a totally free country. I wish they were, but it seems that there are to many baby boomers in charge for someone like him to be elected.
I do like John Edwards. He has my vote in the primary. Now, of he doesn't get the nomination (which is very likely) I would vote for Obama, or Hillary. Hopefully it will not come down to Hillary, but it may.
As far as the republicans, well, John McCain is a complete NUT. My father was in Viet Nam, and I commend his service and imprisonment, I fear his foreign policy.
Rudy Guiliani is stuck in New York. While he was a great mayor during a national crisis, I am not sure he can get past that, and run a country.
Mitt Romney, is in it for the glory (no proof,just opinion) his views change like the wind.
Mike Huckabee is wanting the change the constitution to reflect God's Will. Now, I am a Christian, and have Christian beliefs, but I do not think you can run a country from ONE point of view, when we are such a diverse group. There has to be room for everyone.
Fred Thompson, is well, Fred Thompson. I know he has a great deal of political experience, but he has "played" a president, not sure he could be one without a script.
Ron Paul, he is the one that has the best interest of everyone in mind, he has great ideas, but there is no way the richest people is this country will let him get the nomination, even if he has the most votes.
Yes, I think we live under the illusion of Democracy. They are trying to tell us what to think, feel and do. We are no longer "The American People". We have become "The American Consumer".
I also think that Barack Obama, should NOT lose because he is Black, or that Hillary should NOT lose because she is a woman, and Mitt should NOT lost because he is a Morman, they should lose (if they do) due to their politics, not their Race, Gender or Religion.
So, as I said earlier. I am a John Edwards Supporter. Then my list goes from there.
I am from Alabama, and I too, run into people who believe all of the gossip and lies circulating about Barack and other Candidates. My mother was one of them. I have a 3 year old daughter and I want her to see PEOPLE not color or Religion. Now, Like I said earlier, I do not want Barack to lose because he is black, I want people to look past each physical and religious difference and vote for the person they believe has the best in mind for this Country.
Hopefully, people can do that. I do have faith, that someday, we will grow up and the national IQ level will rise enough to get the level of understanding and peace that we all need and desire.
Amen!
My mother, who is a Hillary supporter also was one of the people I know and love who looked me dead in the eye with all seriousness and told me Barack was muslim. What is really sad is that my mom is intelligent, but I guess she is just lazy a bit and relying too much on what she hears from others.
Anyways peace to you and I too have watched all this with my three sons, 11, 5 and 4. My 11 year old is into it and asks me how Obama is doing. It is time the younger generations and those that will be voting in the next 10 to 15 years finally get involved and have some say in how our country is run.
Churchhill I believe said something like, the best argument against democracy is having a 5 minute conversation on politics with your average voter.
I believe in democracy but we have to, as you said, get our national IQ up.
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Barack Obama isn't your typical Christian name, Eddie'sMusewas assuming before knowing the fact.
Eddie'sMuse also assumed someone who is muslim would apparently side with terrorists, strictly because they are muslim. Apparently all terrorists are muslim and all muslims are terrorists. Great way to look at the world.
My mother, who is a Hillary supporter also was one of the people I know and love who looked me dead in the eye with all seriousness and told me Barack was muslim. What is really sad is that my mom is intelligent, but I guess she is just lazy a bit and relying too much on what she hears from others.
Anyways peace to you and I too have watched all this with my three sons, 11, 5 and 4. My 11 year old is into it and asks me how Obama is doing. It is time the younger generations and those that will be voting in the next 10 to 15 years finally get involved and have some say in how our country is run.
Churchhill I believe said something like, the best argument against democracy is having a 5 minute conversation on politics with your average voter.
I believe in democracy but we have to, as you said, get our national IQ up.
My suggestion is to check out Alternative News Sites. The mainstream ones, feed you the government approved dribble, that will make you sick 5 minutes after turning on the Channel.
I personally like Alternet. I do not always agree with their views and editorials, but I agree 100% with then being able to speak their mind. It is amazing when you go to these sites, Alternet, BBC, Aljazeera and see what is really happening. Our news is clogged with Brittany Spears. I am more concerned, with Politics, Environment, Animal Welfare, and Human Rights to care what sort of breakdown Ms. Spears had this week.
What distrurbs me even more, is that I truly think that people Like Bill O'Reilly actually BELIEVES his dribble. That to me, is a scary, scary thing.
People should look deep into their Hearts, research the candidates and REALLY vote the way they feel is best for them, and their situation. Don't believe the Press, or lack of press that a candidate gets, vote your heart. This election is probably the most important of all time. Make it a good one, if not, we are all doomed more than anyone could ever realize. Our Children are worth the right choice. So is our Planet.
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what the hell, aside from a bunch of shit about ron paul, am i supposed to be looking at on that site to "educate" myself about hillary clinton's health care proposal?? plus, i don't need to educate myself on her plan. i already know what it is. i will admit that there have been many stupid ass posts from people that need educating on this thread, but i am not one of them. obviously you are on the other side of the politcal spectrum, which is fine.
and if that is a reputable website, why is ron paul writing columns for them?
Thank You for that post.........
Just because someone doesn't agree with you, or us, or a certain group, does not make anyone ill informed.
And, maybe, as you have said, we don't need more information to determine our stance, once we have come to our own decisions........
great post, I agree with you 100% on the fact that you are not "not educated", you sound like you know what you are talking about.......
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Alarmed at some of the evolution denials and "bring Christ back to the White House" comments he's made, I decided to look a little deeper into what Mike Huckabee is all about. After spending a week checking sources and making sure this wasn't some horrible dream, I was compelled to write this piece for my job, aptly titled "I Call Bullshit: Mike Huckabee". I'd be interested to know what anyone thinks about it. I'm still in shock over some of the shit I discovered.
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Thanks for the well written article. Crave Rocks! Huckabee scares me!
haha thanks, it's started quite a shitstorm in some circles... as the comments beneath the article will show. I appreciate the kudos though, as well as from CitizenRick.
I'm so tired of hearing everyone on the net sucking Ron Paul's cock...get over it, he's has no chance!
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haha thanks, it's started quite a shitstorm in some circles... as the comments beneath the article will show. I appreciate the kudos though, as well as from CitizenRick.
This thread as well as the Rudy thread, has made me recall that we aren't suppose to discuss, politics or religion if it matter to us whether or not people will get all mad at us and put us in a state of contraversy.
only because the same people who claim to beleive in free speech, call mine names and call my opinons, as accredited as theirs, as clueless and uninformed, but both are merely opinions not facts except to our own minds.
I have learned a lot here and I direct this to even those who have been very aggressive in their return posts to me, and here it is.........
I have my opinions on these political beliefs which like yours, have been compiled using different elements that created them........who we are, in gender, race, internal personality, etc. puts in it's part.....where we come from, if we are wealthy, poor, just making it, or have seen our families struggle in those places,..........what we are taking with us as adults, our experiences in life, both good and bad all that we have witnessed first hand or watched loved ones go through........and finally our knowledge of what we know about these politicians which for me, is not as much as most of the other posts have researched. All that plus more adds up to our choices.
But I would like to thank you especially those who have point blank attempted to insult me and honestly, I have been tempted to take it is and be hurt, (which shows me I cannot debate with the "big Boys"---may I bow out and not call it quitting???)but it developed into something very cool so thank you............
it developed into me remembering what it was like even 10 years ago for me, when my thoughts were broader, less stagnant, and I believed that peace was far more producatable than fighting. I still have a lot to learn, but I thank you, even though I didn't know I would think this, but thanks for opening my mind to stretch it beyond where I had let it get comfortable and not willing to grow.........
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Together we will float like angels.........
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The dislike for Clinton goes back to the late 1980s, when Kenneth Starr opened an investigation calle the Arkansas Project on the Clintons to dig up dirt on them for Republicans to use in the upcoming election (although Clinton did not run until the '92 election, he was seen as the up-and comer in the Democratic Party). This is where you get things like "Clinton murdered Vince Foster" and the crap about Whitewater, both of which are factually completely false, but are perpetuated on television or the radio daily by the likes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.
It took Starr 8 years to get anything on Clinton, which was his false testimony given during the Paula Jones trial. He was then busted for it, and deservidly so. THe overall hatred of the Clinton's is really hard to explain. It mostly comes from the far-right, which is kinda bizarre because the Clintons are both very moderate, politically (remember, Clinton left office with an approval rating in the 70s, so most people did like him, despite the BS with Lewinsky).
This is not coming from a Clinton appologist, because I will not vote for her. If she is the nominee, i will vote 3rd party (i live in illinois, so it won't matter anyway, the state will go Dem.). All the crazyness about her bringing in socialism and whatnot is a rallying cry for opponents as well, although a quick look at her voting record and her policy proposals show that she is the most moderate candidate out there.
Anyways, hope that is somewhat usefull to our friend on the other side of the pond...
Wow. I think you give your fellow Americans wayyyyyy too much credit if you really think that this is why the Clintons are disliked. This is a very good explanation and seriously impressive (I mean that).
I think for a lot of Americans its the fact that Hillary is perceived as not being supportive to women who decided to make their homes their careers (remember the "I'm not some little woman standing by my man making cookies" remark)? And Bill is basically a cheating womanizer, so that makes it easy for a certain portion of the populace to hate him.
Have you seen her health care plan? You can call it what you like, but it's pure socialism.
true enough on the woman part, although i think many women then were opening up to the women in the workplace concept, and many saw it as great for equal rights. of course, can't argue with the Bill stuff, cause he made some mistakes (some big ones) with his personal life. that's an easy target, obviously.
as for me giving the American people credit...no, oposite. I think the American people are so fucking stupid that they believe any little talking point that they hear, why is why the Clinton hatred is alive and well. i think if people actually did some research, they wouldn't have to rely on sean hannity for their "news," cause they would see that he is, litterally, making shit up every night on the air. i say don't vote for Clinton, but that's cause i don't agree with her politically.
false. the only true "socialism" plan, if that is what we are calling it, is dennis kucinich's proposal. an acurate description would be "single-payer," where, instead of people having to spend money on insuarance (if they can afford it), everyone is covered. hillary's plan is just a hand-out to the drug companies and insurance companies, like almost all the others.
Not false.
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Educate yourself. No one in the country has any idea about economics. Cripes!
what the hell, aside from a bunch of shit about ron paul, am i supposed to be looking at on that site to "educate" myself about hillary clinton's health care proposal?? plus, i don't need to educate myself on her plan. i already know what it is. i will admit that there have been many stupid ass posts from people that need educating on this thread, but i am not one of them. obviously you are on the other side of the politcal spectrum, which is fine.
and if that is a reputable website, why is ron paul writing columns for them?
Obama's a Christian. For whatever that's worth.
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The thing is, I used to think the same thing. But all the consevative opinions...are just flat out wrong. Its not that I don't want to vote for the best candidate, but they all always seem to be Democrats. I supported Clinton in 1996, Gore in 2000, and Obama now. In my opinion, the Republicans are just wrong on all issues. I want to vote for the best candidate, but they all seem to be liberals.
Hillary is better than Guiliani, Huckabee, Romney, Paul, and McCain.
Obama is better than Guiliani, Huckabee, Romney, Paul, and McCain
Edwards is better than Guiliani...
Get my point?
http://www.craveonline.com/articles/lifestyle/04649535/i_call_bs_mike_huckabee.html
Nice article! These are some of the same discovery's that I have made about Huckabee as well.
I have to say that is some scary shit! We cannot let that kind of backwards thinking anywhere near the White House!
It does seem though, that Bill doesnt have many critics on his politics and his occupancy of the office, more so his personal life, which although a huge mistake, means nothing to me. I do not advocate for that type of behaviour, but to be fair he's human, and he made a very personal and very well documented mistake, but it was hardly a reflection on how he ran the country.
I have read his book with great interest and found him to remarkable, a seemingly very giving person, and one that has a serious amount of time for joe public even today.
Hilary however I know nothing about!!! which lead to my post wondering why she was so unpopular or so it seems. Looks like I have some reading to do.
I see the point opn Clintons popularity being 70 on his leaving, anyone have a clue on Bush's - surely cant be good?? It seems odd that the Us and the Uk both seem to have leaders who are so far removed from society and so useless at this point in time.
First of all, I love Ron Paul, but the guy has no chance. The people are not ready for a totally free country. I wish they were, but it seems that there are to many baby boomers in charge for someone like him to be elected.
I do like John Edwards. He has my vote in the primary. Now, of he doesn't get the nomination (which is very likely) I would vote for Obama, or Hillary. Hopefully it will not come down to Hillary, but it may.
As far as the republicans, well, John McCain is a complete NUT. My father was in Viet Nam, and I commend his service and imprisonment, I fear his foreign policy.
Rudy Guiliani is stuck in New York. While he was a great mayor during a national crisis, I am not sure he can get past that, and run a country.
Mitt Romney, is in it for the glory (no proof,just opinion) his views change like the wind.
Mike Huckabee is wanting the change the constitution to reflect God's Will. Now, I am a Christian, and have Christian beliefs, but I do not think you can run a country from ONE point of view, when we are such a diverse group. There has to be room for everyone.
Fred Thompson, is well, Fred Thompson. I know he has a great deal of political experience, but he has "played" a president, not sure he could be one without a script.
Ron Paul, he is the one that has the best interest of everyone in mind, he has great ideas, but there is no way the richest people is this country will let him get the nomination, even if he has the most votes.
Yes, I think we live under the illusion of Democracy. They are trying to tell us what to think, feel and do. We are no longer "The American People". We have become "The American Consumer".
I also think that Barack Obama, should NOT lose because he is Black, or that Hillary should NOT lose because she is a woman, and Mitt should NOT lost because he is a Morman, they should lose (if they do) due to their politics, not their Race, Gender or Religion.
So, as I said earlier. I am a John Edwards Supporter. Then my list goes from there.
Peace and Love to all of you!
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It is so unbelievable here in Texass. I have people, people who I work with who I thought to be intelligent, who have told me that (1) Southern voters will never vote for a black man. (2) If Obama wins I am moving to Canada...He is a muslim!........I nearly fell out of my chair. This is not even the real redneck part of Texass, basically in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex and so many of these folks are believing the bullshit emails they receive from the KKK or whoever saying that Obama is a Muslim, he took his oath on the Koran and of course they have a real hard time getting past the fact that he is black. I tell you itmakes me sick to my stomach. I have remained defiant, in that I am not letting it beat me down and giving up. So I am working on everybody I can, usually on a one on one basis and trying to tap into their brains and get it to open up a bit.
I get a bit demoralized but then I go home and read "The Audacity of Hope" and find inspiration to keep believing.
I also get soem inspiration from Pearl Jam's "Undone"..........Change don't come at once its a wave, building before it breaks.
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Hopefully, people can do that. I do have faith, that someday, we will grow up and the national IQ level will rise enough to get the level of understanding and peace that we all need and desire.
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I couldn't agree with you more on everything in this post. Well done.
Its a shame Ron Paul won't get the recognition he deserves.
Why contain yourself like any other book on the shelf?
Subtle voices in the wind hear the truth they're telling.
A world begins where the road ends.
Watch me leave it all behind.
Amen!
My mother, who is a Hillary supporter also was one of the people I know and love who looked me dead in the eye with all seriousness and told me Barack was muslim. What is really sad is that my mom is intelligent, but I guess she is just lazy a bit and relying too much on what she hears from others.
Anyways peace to you and I too have watched all this with my three sons, 11, 5 and 4. My 11 year old is into it and asks me how Obama is doing. It is time the younger generations and those that will be voting in the next 10 to 15 years finally get involved and have some say in how our country is run.
Churchhill I believe said something like, the best argument against democracy is having a 5 minute conversation on politics with your average voter.
I believe in democracy but we have to, as you said, get our national IQ up.
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June 2003 Dallas
Eddie'sMuse also assumed someone who is muslim would apparently side with terrorists, strictly because they are muslim. Apparently all terrorists are muslim and all muslims are terrorists. Great way to look at the world.
My suggestion is to check out Alternative News Sites. The mainstream ones, feed you the government approved dribble, that will make you sick 5 minutes after turning on the Channel.
I personally like Alternet. I do not always agree with their views and editorials, but I agree 100% with then being able to speak their mind. It is amazing when you go to these sites, Alternet, BBC, Aljazeera and see what is really happening. Our news is clogged with Brittany Spears. I am more concerned, with Politics, Environment, Animal Welfare, and Human Rights to care what sort of breakdown Ms. Spears had this week.
What distrurbs me even more, is that I truly think that people Like Bill O'Reilly actually BELIEVES his dribble. That to me, is a scary, scary thing.
People should look deep into their Hearts, research the candidates and REALLY vote the way they feel is best for them, and their situation. Don't believe the Press, or lack of press that a candidate gets, vote your heart. This election is probably the most important of all time. Make it a good one, if not, we are all doomed more than anyone could ever realize. Our Children are worth the right choice. So is our Planet.
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Thank You for that post.........
Just because someone doesn't agree with you, or us, or a certain group, does not make anyone ill informed.
And, maybe, as you have said, we don't need more information to determine our stance, once we have come to our own decisions........
great post, I agree with you 100% on the fact that you are not "not educated", you sound like you know what you are talking about.......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Thanks for the well written article. Crave Rocks! Huckabee scares me!
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haha thanks, it's started quite a shitstorm in some circles... as the comments beneath the article will show. I appreciate the kudos though, as well as from CitizenRick.
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This thread as well as the Rudy thread, has made me recall that we aren't suppose to discuss, politics or religion if it matter to us whether or not people will get all mad at us and put us in a state of contraversy.
only because the same people who claim to beleive in free speech, call mine names and call my opinons, as accredited as theirs, as clueless and uninformed, but both are merely opinions not facts except to our own minds.
I have learned a lot here and I direct this to even those who have been very aggressive in their return posts to me, and here it is.........
I have my opinions on these political beliefs which like yours, have been compiled using different elements that created them........who we are, in gender, race, internal personality, etc. puts in it's part.....where we come from, if we are wealthy, poor, just making it, or have seen our families struggle in those places,..........what we are taking with us as adults, our experiences in life, both good and bad all that we have witnessed first hand or watched loved ones go through........and finally our knowledge of what we know about these politicians which for me, is not as much as most of the other posts have researched. All that plus more adds up to our choices.
But I would like to thank you especially those who have point blank attempted to insult me and honestly, I have been tempted to take it is and be hurt, (which shows me I cannot debate with the "big Boys"---may I bow out and not call it quitting???)but it developed into something very cool so thank you............
it developed into me remembering what it was like even 10 years ago for me, when my thoughts were broader, less stagnant, and I believed that peace was far more producatable than fighting. I still have a lot to learn, but I thank you, even though I didn't know I would think this, but thanks for opening my mind to stretch it beyond where I had let it get comfortable and not willing to grow.........
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
is the one in question
now. hehe.
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