Excellent win Giants! Great defense at the end. Way to bang up Garrard.
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Explain this to me: I have Chris Johnson on my fantasy team. How is it that this kid gets held to 7 carries for 5 yards?
I think the real question is: Could any of us play QB any better than Rusty Smith did today? I say maybe.
"FF, I've heard the droning about the Sawx being the baby dolls. Yeah, I get it, you guys invented baseball and suffered forever. I get it." -JearlPam0925
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
YES!!! Later Reid, it's been real!! But Con!! OT against the Bills? WTF!!!!
Anyone is better than Jeff Reed, idiot kicker extraordinaire.
And yeah, it shouldn't have come down to that, but it did, and I'm just glad we ended up on top.
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"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
team jeagler just clinched a playoff birth :thumbup:
i'll make the playoffs in that leage. hell, 8 out of 10 make them (don't ask me how that happened. normally was 4 teams :roll: ) my seeding is just a lot lower than it should be. i should be one or two with my team, instead i will be 3 or 4.
2nd league i am now the 3rd seed in a 10 team league
last league will see me making the playoffs 8 out of 12, but my team sucks.
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team jeagler just clinched a playoff birth :thumbup:
i'll make the playoffs in that leage. hell, 8 out of 10 make them (don't ask me how that happened. normally was 4 teams :roll: ) my seeding is just a lot lower than it should be. i should be one or two with my team, instead i will be 3 or 4.
2nd league i am now the 3rd seed in a 10 team league
last league will see me making the playoffs 8 out of 12, but my team sucks.
8 out of 10 teams make the playoffs? what is this, the nhl?
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no kidding. it used to be 4, this year it jumped to 8. not sure why. i missed that change
still
8 out of 10
6 out of 10
8 out of 12
it should be 4 out of 10 for 10 team leagues and 6 for the 12 team league.
i'm going to be so pissed if my good team gets knocked out by a crap team.
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terrible game tonight....nice to see b west look like his old self though
Of course, the media thinks that the question asked to Derek Anderson was perfectly normal. And former players and current players seem to think the question went too far.
What do you guys think? I don't see any reason to be laughing when you are getting blown out on Monday night...
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did we find out what he was laughing about
somethimes when things are going so bad the only thing you can do is laugh
team jeagler just clinched a playoff birth :thumbup:
Team Fenway aka The Codeine Purple Dranks just clinched one last night too.
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Team Arian Nation cliched
as did my other two teams.
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somethimes when things are going so bad the only thing you can do is laugh
but i didn't watch the game.
i don't think its any of our business what he was or wasn't laughing about. if i were him i would have just answered by saying "the other guy told me a knock knock joke. it was funny. next question." :twisted:
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10/21/13- Philly, PA
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the patriots are pretty good......
Patriots more efficient than ever
The 2010 offense is rivaling efficency records set by the 2007 squad
By Doug Farrar
Football Outsiders
Archive
BradyAndrew Weber/US PresswireThe players around him may have changed but Tom Brady is as effecient as ever.
It shouldn't be surprising that the 2007 New England Patriots put up the highest offensive efficiency totals in the history of Football Outsiders' metrics. The 16-0 regular-season team had record-setters in single season touchdown passes (Tom Brady, with 50), touchdowns caught (Randy Moss, with 23) and was especially effective in the first 12 weeks of the season. In those first 12 weeks, the Pats were 54.5 percent better than the average NFL offense, outscoring their opponents by an average of 40.2 to 16.8 points per game. That 2007 team fell back to earth, or at least went from superhuman to merely excellent, in Weeks 13-17. Their offensive DVOA dropped to 28.9%, and their average per-game margin of victory was 29.4 to 17.8.
The 2007 Patriots saw their season end in a surprise Super Bowl loss, but the route back to reality started well before that. The early part of that season featured a virtually unrepeatable pattern of shotgun spreads, deep routes to Moss, receiver screens to Wes Welker and limited access to any sort of running game. Though it was portable (the Pats actually had a higher offensive DVOA on the road than at home that season), it wasn't sustainable.
Through 12 weeks of the 2010 season, the new Patriots offense has been defined by two-tight-end sets, shorter passes overall with more yards after catch, better goal-line running and more sustainable offensive playcalling. If you've seen this different version of the Patriots offense and come away with the idea that it's far less explosive than what Brady was running in 2007, you would be correct. However, the new offense has been just about as efficient, especially when adjusted for opponent, and especially in the last few weeks. The current team has an offensive DVOA of 45.2%, the second-highest total of any team after 12 weeks (since our numbers begin in 1993). It's the exact same figure the 2007 offense finished with after reality set in.
How have the Patriots accomplished this? Primarily with the efforts of Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski, their two rookie tight ends. Perhaps knowing that he would need a new system that would make Moss redundant, Bill Belichick went back to his 2006 game plan, when the Patriots led the league in two-tight end sets, and Ben Watson was the team's second-most targeted receiver. Where the new Pats have found a difference is in the sheer productivity of their rookies -- Gronkowski ranks second in our cumulative efficiency rankings for tight ends behind San Diego's Antonio Gates, and Hernandez ranks fourth.
In 2007, the Pats threw 71 times to their tight ends for a total of 471 yards, a 68 percent catch rate and 3.0 yards after catch per play. In 2010, tight ends have seen 91 passes for 841 yards -- in five fewer games -- plus a 73 percent catch rate, and 5.9 yards after catch.
Formation diversity is the key to tight end success in the new offense. New England put two or more tight ends on the field on 49 percent of their plays before Moss was traded, and 52 percent of all plays since. But you'll see Hernandez and Gronkowski lined up in different places -- Hernandez might go deep on a seam route out of a halfback position in a shotgun set, and Gronkowski might catch three touchdown passes in a game out of the slot or inline, as he did against the Steelers in a 39-26 Week 10 win.
That's another reason the 2010 team's offensive DVOA is so high this year -- Brady and his crew are doing what they're doing against some of the league's better defenses, and DVOA adjusts for opponent. This is especially true in the passing game, where the Pats have amassed good numbers against four of DVOA's top 10 defenses while facing only one defense (Buffalo) in the league's bottom third. Brady's passing DVOA has shot through the roof recently -- from 50.9% in Weeks 1-9 to an astonishing 111.3% in Weeks 10-12. Throwing for three touchdowns against a top-ranked Pittsburgh defense (and exploiting the Steelers' one obvious weakness that day, vis-a-vis cornerback William Gay's coverage of Gronkowski) has a lot to do with that, but it also raises a larger question: With New England's offensive efficiency actually increasing down the short stretch, can the team transcend regression to the mean that has both plagued and helped it in previous seasons?
The 2009 offense may provide the best answer. New England ranked second in the league with a 31.6% offensive DVOA in Weeks 1-12, and fourth with a 24.6% DVOA in the season's final weeks, showing a consistency not seen in previous seasons. And the 2008 Patriots season gives you a good example of what happens when you adjust an offense on the fly in midseason. When Brady was lost for the season in the first 2008 game, adjustments had to be made for backup Matt Cassel, and it took time for everything to coalesce. That's why the 2008 Pats had just 1.1% offensive DVOA in the first eight games, but 31.3% in the final eight. The 2008 Patriots with Cassel were actually more efficient in the second half of the season than the record-setting Patriots from the year before.
Similarly, Brady had to get used to his new tight ends, the increased role of running back BenJarvus Green-Ellis, the import of Danny Woodhead and the return of Deion Branch. There have been rough spots, but this new New England offensive trend appears more sustainable. In each of the last three weeks, the Patriots have posted the highest offensive DVOA in the NFL. They did the same in Weeks 1, 3, and 8, but with far more league-average stuff in between. Now -- and just at the right time for once -- New England's gamble on a different type of offense has paid off beyond expectations.
The next step is to finish strong, and the Patriots will face serious challenges in that department. They start with by facing the New York Jets in Monday's climactic tilt, then play the teams that rank second (Green Bay) and fourth (Chicago) in pass defense DVOA. By the time he gets to the final two regular-season games against Buffalo and Miami, Brady might be pushing the 2007 season aside and putting up new all-time numbers -- with an unexpected offense.
Couple thoughts on the early games:
Wild end to that NO-Cinci game. Sean Payton just out-Belichick-ed Marvin Lewis at the end.
Another wildly underwhelming game for Chris Johnson. The Titans suck.
Big game for the Giants D...do you think Coughlin told Eli "Seriously, just don't fuck anything up today and we'll win by 4 TDs."?
And Chad Henne is pathetic.
"FF, I've heard the droning about the Sawx being the baby dolls. Yeah, I get it, you guys invented baseball and suffered forever. I get it." -JearlPam0925
Couple thoughts on the early games:
Wild end to that NO-Cinci game. Sean Payton just out-Belichick-ed Marvin Lewis at the end.
Another wildly underwhelming game for Chris Johnson. The Titans suck.
Big game for the Giants D...do you think Coughlin told Eli "Seriously, just don't fuck anything up today and we'll win by 4 TDs."?
And Chad Henne is pathetic.
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dude....these games are insane yet again.
every week it seems most come right down to the wire. i love it!
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
thanks for not covering :thumbup:
I think the real question is: Could any of us play QB any better than Rusty Smith did today? I say maybe.
That is all.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
And yeah, it shouldn't have come down to that, but it did, and I'm just glad we ended up on top.
Now for the f-ing Ravens. :evil:
mike shanahan is a joke
your boy isn't looking too good tonight
completely forgot to get my bet in on this one. i would have went large on the bolts. damn it.
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly
they follow this same path every single year. they're a solid team.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
That is, until the playoffs start.
no kidding
and could i get a little consitancy on my team. last week 180 points and a blowout, this week, 100 points and i get toasted.
team jeagler just clinched a playoff birth :thumbup:
i'll make the playoffs in that leage. hell, 8 out of 10 make them (don't ask me how that happened. normally was 4 teams :roll: ) my seeding is just a lot lower than it should be. i should be one or two with my team, instead i will be 3 or 4.
2nd league i am now the 3rd seed in a 10 team league
last league will see me making the playoffs 8 out of 12, but my team sucks.
8 out of 10 teams make the playoffs? what is this, the nhl?
still
8 out of 10
6 out of 10
8 out of 12
it should be 4 out of 10 for 10 team leagues and 6 for the 12 team league.
i'm going to be so pissed if my good team gets knocked out by a crap team.
What do you guys think? I don't see any reason to be laughing when you are getting blown out on Monday night...
somethimes when things are going so bad the only thing you can do is laugh
but i didn't watch the game.
as did my other two teams.
i don't think its any of our business what he was or wasn't laughing about. if i were him i would have just answered by saying "the other guy told me a knock knock joke. it was funny. next question." :twisted:
10 Club League (10 teams)- 2nd place, 9-3
Backspacer 2010 (6 teams)- 2nd place, 7-5
yahoo public league (10 teams)- 4th, 7-5
yahoo public league (10 teams)- 2nd, 8-4
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly
Patriots more efficient than ever
The 2010 offense is rivaling efficency records set by the 2007 squad
By Doug Farrar
Football Outsiders
Archive
BradyAndrew Weber/US PresswireThe players around him may have changed but Tom Brady is as effecient as ever.
It shouldn't be surprising that the 2007 New England Patriots put up the highest offensive efficiency totals in the history of Football Outsiders' metrics. The 16-0 regular-season team had record-setters in single season touchdown passes (Tom Brady, with 50), touchdowns caught (Randy Moss, with 23) and was especially effective in the first 12 weeks of the season. In those first 12 weeks, the Pats were 54.5 percent better than the average NFL offense, outscoring their opponents by an average of 40.2 to 16.8 points per game. That 2007 team fell back to earth, or at least went from superhuman to merely excellent, in Weeks 13-17. Their offensive DVOA dropped to 28.9%, and their average per-game margin of victory was 29.4 to 17.8.
The 2007 Patriots saw their season end in a surprise Super Bowl loss, but the route back to reality started well before that. The early part of that season featured a virtually unrepeatable pattern of shotgun spreads, deep routes to Moss, receiver screens to Wes Welker and limited access to any sort of running game. Though it was portable (the Pats actually had a higher offensive DVOA on the road than at home that season), it wasn't sustainable.
Through 12 weeks of the 2010 season, the new Patriots offense has been defined by two-tight-end sets, shorter passes overall with more yards after catch, better goal-line running and more sustainable offensive playcalling. If you've seen this different version of the Patriots offense and come away with the idea that it's far less explosive than what Brady was running in 2007, you would be correct. However, the new offense has been just about as efficient, especially when adjusted for opponent, and especially in the last few weeks. The current team has an offensive DVOA of 45.2%, the second-highest total of any team after 12 weeks (since our numbers begin in 1993). It's the exact same figure the 2007 offense finished with after reality set in.
How have the Patriots accomplished this? Primarily with the efforts of Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski, their two rookie tight ends. Perhaps knowing that he would need a new system that would make Moss redundant, Bill Belichick went back to his 2006 game plan, when the Patriots led the league in two-tight end sets, and Ben Watson was the team's second-most targeted receiver. Where the new Pats have found a difference is in the sheer productivity of their rookies -- Gronkowski ranks second in our cumulative efficiency rankings for tight ends behind San Diego's Antonio Gates, and Hernandez ranks fourth.
In 2007, the Pats threw 71 times to their tight ends for a total of 471 yards, a 68 percent catch rate and 3.0 yards after catch per play. In 2010, tight ends have seen 91 passes for 841 yards -- in five fewer games -- plus a 73 percent catch rate, and 5.9 yards after catch.
Formation diversity is the key to tight end success in the new offense. New England put two or more tight ends on the field on 49 percent of their plays before Moss was traded, and 52 percent of all plays since. But you'll see Hernandez and Gronkowski lined up in different places -- Hernandez might go deep on a seam route out of a halfback position in a shotgun set, and Gronkowski might catch three touchdown passes in a game out of the slot or inline, as he did against the Steelers in a 39-26 Week 10 win.
That's another reason the 2010 team's offensive DVOA is so high this year -- Brady and his crew are doing what they're doing against some of the league's better defenses, and DVOA adjusts for opponent. This is especially true in the passing game, where the Pats have amassed good numbers against four of DVOA's top 10 defenses while facing only one defense (Buffalo) in the league's bottom third. Brady's passing DVOA has shot through the roof recently -- from 50.9% in Weeks 1-9 to an astonishing 111.3% in Weeks 10-12. Throwing for three touchdowns against a top-ranked Pittsburgh defense (and exploiting the Steelers' one obvious weakness that day, vis-a-vis cornerback William Gay's coverage of Gronkowski) has a lot to do with that, but it also raises a larger question: With New England's offensive efficiency actually increasing down the short stretch, can the team transcend regression to the mean that has both plagued and helped it in previous seasons?
The 2009 offense may provide the best answer. New England ranked second in the league with a 31.6% offensive DVOA in Weeks 1-12, and fourth with a 24.6% DVOA in the season's final weeks, showing a consistency not seen in previous seasons. And the 2008 Patriots season gives you a good example of what happens when you adjust an offense on the fly in midseason. When Brady was lost for the season in the first 2008 game, adjustments had to be made for backup Matt Cassel, and it took time for everything to coalesce. That's why the 2008 Pats had just 1.1% offensive DVOA in the first eight games, but 31.3% in the final eight. The 2008 Patriots with Cassel were actually more efficient in the second half of the season than the record-setting Patriots from the year before.
Similarly, Brady had to get used to his new tight ends, the increased role of running back BenJarvus Green-Ellis, the import of Danny Woodhead and the return of Deion Branch. There have been rough spots, but this new New England offensive trend appears more sustainable. In each of the last three weeks, the Patriots have posted the highest offensive DVOA in the NFL. They did the same in Weeks 1, 3, and 8, but with far more league-average stuff in between. Now -- and just at the right time for once -- New England's gamble on a different type of offense has paid off beyond expectations.
The next step is to finish strong, and the Patriots will face serious challenges in that department. They start with by facing the New York Jets in Monday's climactic tilt, then play the teams that rank second (Green Bay) and fourth (Chicago) in pass defense DVOA. By the time he gets to the final two regular-season games against Buffalo and Miami, Brady might be pushing the 2007 season aside and putting up new all-time numbers -- with an unexpected offense.
what a great trade for the eagles
Couple thoughts on the early games:
Wild end to that NO-Cinci game. Sean Payton just out-Belichick-ed Marvin Lewis at the end.
Another wildly underwhelming game for Chris Johnson. The Titans suck.
Big game for the Giants D...do you think Coughlin told Eli "Seriously, just don't fuck anything up today and we'll win by 4 TDs."?
And Chad Henne is pathetic.
I don't know how marv lewis still has a job.