Australian Election - August 21

catefrances

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Oh and she talks like she is part of the Kath & Kim cast...

Looook at moiiiiiii
Moi name is Joooolyaaa Gillaaard.
Vote for moiiiiii and moiiii policies and make moi Ostrayas prime minstaaaah

IRRITATING! :x

so youd prefer our politicians to all speak with toffy accents?

No, just speak normal.

and what is speaking normal?

vedder_soup

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

No, just speak normal.

what is normal?

John Howard spoke pretty funny sometimes, Phoney Tony ummms and arrghs a lot

and do not mention fair dinkum!! WTF is that doing even being uttered in an election campaign! pisses me off only a little bit more than moving forward

catefrances

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Abott at least comes across as fair dinkum.
I'm not a labor fan after the shit they have given the local division I reside in.
I am in a labor safe seat, Liberals have never been in power here and my suburb is a dump.

oh yes tony is so fair dinkum.. educated by the jesuits and not making decisions without seeking guidance from cardinal pell. :roll:

yes i too live in an extremely safe labor seat.

Thoughts_Arrive

Far out you love probing me.
Ummm lets say like, Costello, Abott, Turnbull.
None of this okka accent.

Thoughts_Arrive

catefrances wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Abott at least comes across as fair dinkum.
I'm not a labor fan after the shit they have given the local division I reside in.
I am in a labor safe seat, Liberals have never been in power here and my suburb is a dump.

oh yes tony is so fair dinkum.. educated by the jesuits and not making decisions without seeking guidance from cardinal pell. :roll:

yes i too live in an extremely safe labor seat.

That's the thing I don't like about him, his religious views, I don't agree with everything pollies say.
I am looking at it from an economic management point of view.
I believe our country is in better shape under a Liberal govt.

vedder_soup

She is Welsh, how does she have an okka accent
Every person is different, and if you want to place your vote due to the sound of somebodys voice, then go ahead

i live in a 7% liberal seat and absolutly despise the person sitting in that seat :twisted:

vedder_soup

From an economic management point of view, the coalition never faced the situations faced in the last 3 years.
Sure they left a nice big budget surplus, but what is a surplus? money that is not being spent where it could be spent on required infrastructure and services which badly needed it?
It was a labor government in the mid 90's that delivered this countries first budget surplus. Why is it ok for the majority of homeowners to be in massive debt, but bad for the government to be in a relativly small amount of debt?

Economic circumstances meant that if the people were not speding money, the government had to. If they did not, we would be in a much worse position now than we are. Sure there was wastage, but with the scale and the span of what was spent, it was bound to happen. unfortunate but true.

Thoughts_Arrive

vedder_soup wrote:

She is Welsh, how does she have an okka accent
Every person is different, and if you want to place your vote due to the sound of somebodys voice, then go ahead

i live in a 7% liberal seat and absolutly despise the person sitting in that seat :twisted:

I don't vote based on the sound of somebodies voice.
I just said it irritates me.

Thoughts_Arrive

vedder_soup wrote:

From an economic management point of view, the coalition never faced the situations faced in the last 3 years.
Sure they left a nice big budget surplus, but what is a surplus? money that is not being spent where it could be spent on required infrastructure and services which badly needed it?
It was a labor government in the mid 90's that delivered this countries first budget surplus. Why is it ok for the majority of homeowners to be in massive debt, but bad for the government to be in a relativly small amount of debt?

Economic circumstances meant that if the people were not speding money, the government had to. If they did not, we would be in a much worse position now than we are. Sure there was wastage, but with the scale and the span of what was spent, it was bound to happen. unfortunate but true.

Why is it everytime labor is in charge we seem to have recessions, interest rates through the roof, and high unemployment.
Didn't Keating say ''the recession we had to have'' ?

Thoughts_Arrive

Speaking of Keating....
I love this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdAoQvqh7eY

vedder_soup

is the Australian labor party the cause of global economic conditions? No
Did we officially go into recession? No
Are interest rates lower now than they were when labor took office? Yes
Unemployment? higher, but dropping.

Take a look at where we stand, compared to the rest of the developed world. we are in a much better postion than most. To say that the labor government fucked up our economy in the last few years is a pretty bad argument. The libs are running with it, but as i said, it is a pretty bad argument.

Keating is great, always has the lines, downer took that one hook line and sinker

vedder_soup

speaking of keating...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQvtq6Hn6g

catefrances

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Far out you love probing me.
Ummm lets say like, Costello, Abott, Turnbull.
None of this okka accent.

oh great so what you want is all our politicians speaking like they were educated in private schools then. costello, abbott and turnball are all products of the non government education system while julia was educated in the state system. sounds a bit elitist to me. but never fear they all went on to university to study law and arts except for young tony who opted for economics over law.

TriumphantAngel

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

why is it everytime labor is in charge we seem to have interest rates through the roof....

what you have to remember is that the Reserve Bank sets the interest rates, not the government. Tony Abbott keeps saying that he can lower interest rates and personally i think that's a pretty big call. how's he going to do that? reducing Government spending might play a small factor in going towards helping that to happen, but there's so many other variables taken into account when the RBA are setting interest rates.

so what's Abbott goiong to do to reduce government spending? how do you know you will be happy with what he is planning. it's not like he's being forthcoming with ideas. all he's doing is saying he can reduce the rates by reducing government spending.

it would be nice to know what he plans to reduce. education? healthcare? who knows..

TroubledSoul

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Why is it everytime labor is in charge we seem to have recessions, interest rates through the roof, and high unemployment.?

because all the spending pushes up inflation. and it's the RBAs job try and control the monetary supply in order to keep inflation at the target range of around 2.5%.

as for u/e, i think old trusty keynesian theory states a relationship of high inflation going hand in hand with lower u/e. so i cant really explain the old philips curve from yr12 economics! i assume there is an initial increase in u/e during early increased inflation due to the decreased confidence in the economy, decreased investment. when i rates are increased up and up, then people have less $$ to spend -> decrease in business activity -> people get laid off. managing an economy sounds pretty easy when put like that! ha. sure. ... so yeh ask an economist who can explain the gazillion variables

maybe we should ask joolya all about it. im sure she'll give us a great informed answer... oh wait... shes not an economist either. wheres pete?!? ahhh pete. the country needs you.

vedder_soup

catefrances wrote:

except for young tony who opted for economics over law.

really? thats funny, because Tony has said himself that he finds economics boring
i did not know he studied it!

Thoughts_Arrive

catefrances wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Far out you love probing me.
Ummm lets say like, Costello, Abott, Turnbull.
None of this okka accent.

oh great so what you want is all our politicians speaking like they were educated in private schools then. costello, abbott and turnball are all products of the non government education system while julia was educated in the state system. sounds a bit elitist to me. but never fear they all went on to university to study law and arts except for young tony who opted for economics over law.

No I didn't say that.
I was educated in a crappy public school and am from a working class family, I talk like 90% of Aussies do.
I am not an elitist at all, how can I be given my background.
How Julia talks is not how the majority of Aussies talk.
Take it easy, it's politics and we can all choose who we want to lead us.

catefrances

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Far out you love probing me.
Ummm lets say like, Costello, Abott, Turnbull.
None of this okka accent.

oh great so what you want is all our politicians speaking like they were educated in private schools then. costello, abbott and turnball are all products of the non government education system while julia was educated in the state system. sounds a bit elitist to me. but never fear they all went on to university to study law and arts except for young tony who opted for economics over law.

No I didn't say that.
I was educated in a crappy public school and am from a working class family, I talk like 90% of Aussies do.
I am not an elitist at all, how can I be given my background.
How Julia talks is not how the majority of Aussies talk.
Take it easy, it's politics and we can all choose who we want to lead us.

how julia speaks is how she speaks. id much prefer someone who didnt put on airs to cover up their background for whatever reason. im sure how julia speaks is indicative of where she is from. we do pick up phrasing and intonation from those around us.

anyways its really neither here nor there. its her policies that speak for her and as far as im concerned shes lacking in that department. im tired of hearing about making our borders safe knowing what theyre talking about is only applicable to boat people. we all know the majority of people who come here and stay 'illegally' do so via the front door. and any education policy that doesnt increase funding for public schools without increasing funding for private schools is not a real education policy imo. and by funding i mean the provision of resources, not the willy nilly construction of buildings not needed at the expense of much needed concrete resources. and can we please have more incentive for our teachers to go to remote schools.

catefrances

vedder_soup wrote:

catefrances wrote:

except for young tony who opted for economics over law.

really? thats funny, because Tony has said himself that he finds economics boring
i did not know he studied it!

well i guess thats why it was his masters in arts and not economics he got at oxford.

Austicman

catefrances wrote:

anyways its really neither here nor there. its her policies that speak for her and as far as im concerned shes lacking in that department. im tired of hearing about making our borders safe knowing what theyre talking about is only applicable to boat people. we all know the majority of people who come here and stay 'illegally' do so via the front door. and any education policy that doesnt increase funding for public schools without increasing funding for private schools is not a real education policy imo. and by funding i mean the provision of resources, not the willy nilly construction of buildings not needed at the expense of much needed concrete resources. and can we please have more incentive for our teachers to go to remote schools.

Shits me to tears at how much the Murdoch media play the "Boat people invasion" to sell news. I guess most Aussies haven't caught on to the fact that this is the same guy that own and runs fox news.

So anyway the reality is that from july 2008 to july 2009, Approximately 158,000 people migrated to Australia. About 12000 of them were Asylum seekers and 1033 of them came by boat :shock:

Can someone please explain to me why this is such a massive issue. Boat people make up less than 9% of asylum seekers and less than 1% of total immigrants in 2008/09.