obama and rev. wright......

Dirtie_Frank

Cosmo wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

It also will not work when people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton claim racism every time something does not go a black man's way.

...
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton speak for all black people as much as Glenn Beck speaks for all white people... or Rev. Fred Phelps speaks for all Christians.

True

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murphyJammer wrote:

My favorite observation about the Reverend Wright scenario was by Chris Rock. He pointed out that he is almost seventy years old, and if he hates white people it shouldn't surprise anyone. He said that it is understandable for a person of his age, because he saw his kindergarten class lynched.

Excellent point.

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mikepegg44 wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

what did wright say that was not true?

“Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.” (sermon)

Hmm... I don't know; seems kinda true to me.

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unsung wrote:

I never said slavery was right, it isn't, however at what point in time will the white man officially stop oppressing the black man? When can we get past the past and work together to end racism?

You can't end racism until you acknowledge it.

mikepegg44

ed243421 wrote:

m

could you find something he said that you believe to be true?
or are you afraid to look?
please share what you find with us?

I already answered that question...read my response to you in my earlier post. /M/uch of it had to do with the palestinians.

KDH12

scb wrote:

murphyJammer wrote:

My favorite observation about the Reverend Wright scenario was by Chris Rock. He pointed out that he is almost seventy years old, and if he hates white people it shouldn't surprise anyone. He said that it is understandable for a person of his age, because he saw his kindergarten class lynched.

Excellent point.

good point but still no excuse

I was not bothered by what the rev said, I have been to many "black churches" and well they worship in different ways and believe different things... this does not make them racist

however racist beliefs can not be written off due to age, my grandfather if he had not died a few years ago would have been about 92 and was one of the most close minded hateful people (although god fearing). people always tried to excuse him of his comments and beliefs cause of his age but I had a hard time with it because as times change, people need to......

my other grandparents are about 10 years younger... 80 in October.... and have made significant changes in their worldview and have adapted well to the multicultural society.

I am bias and hyper sensative to this issue since I am in a biracial marriage with biracial children

ed243421

mikepegg44 wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

m

could you find something he said that you believe to be true?
or are you afraid to look?
please share what you find with us?

I already answered that question...read my response to you in my earlier post. /M/uch of it had to do with the palestinians.

america

what has he said true about america?

Blockhead

If you live in the city then you know, black people are far more racist than white peoplem
I am nto saying they need to forget about what happened. But using an excuse that is 145 years old seems to be a
Bit excessive. We will never get over racism because black people use it as
An excuse for failure. I covered this in another thread but they are GIVEN all the tools to
Succeed, there should be no excuses anymore.

inmytree

HeidiJam wrote:

If you live in the city then you know, black people are far more racist than white peoplem
I am nto saying they need to forget about what happened. But using an excuse that is 145 years old seems to be a
Bit excessive. We will never get over racism because black people use it as
An excuse for failure. I covered this in another thread but they are GIVEN all the tools to
Succeed, there should be no excuses anymore.

sweet fn jesus... :roll:

gimmesometruth27

HeidiJam wrote:

If you live in the city then you know, black people are far more racist than white peoplem
I am nto saying they need to forget about what happened. But using an excuse that is 145 years old seems to be a
Bit excessive. We will never get over racism because black people use it as
An excuse for failure. I covered this in another thread but they are GIVEN all the tools to
Succeed, there should be no excuses anymore.

exactly what tools are they given? to many of them who have no luxury of living in the nice suburbs being born in the inner city in poverty is hardly a gift...

people seem to forget that slavery ended during the early 1860s, yet there were jim crow laws for a hundred years after that in the south designed to keep african americans down. they were still considered 3/5 of a person remember? they did not even get the right to vote for the longest time after that. and if it had not been for the civil rights movement and many people giving their lives for that struggle who knows where the african americans would be today? so to say that slavery ended 145 years ago and they should get over it is extremely short sighted....hell they could not even attend the university of alabama until the early 1960s, and even that first black student had to be allowed in by the national fucking guard because the governor was blocking her entrance...they had to have their own fucking schools...there are people still living today that had to use separate but equal facilities and most of their grandkids are the first generation to have real equality and opportunity. ONE generation out of 10 or 12 getting the same opportunities as whites is progress, but it is way too late after ending slavery for that to happen.... it is that which you and unsung should keep in perspective...

Blockhead

The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,

mikepegg44

ed243421 wrote:

america

what has he said true about america?

are you serious? I know you like to be a contrarian, but read. I wrote about his position that our policies in the middle east have caused a back lash and that we should not be surprised that muslim extremists are trying to attack us and that much of the world does not respect us nor should they. What is so hard for you, are you ever gonna answer any of my questions?

mikepegg44

ed243421 wrote:

m

could you find something he said that you believe to be true?
or are you afraid to look?
please share what you find with us?

and seriously, you are way to dismissive. It is like you don't even read the posts that answer you. am I afraid to look? NO in fact, I have looked and knew this a long time ago. so please, why don't you read posts from now on that answer you before you post replies to it. It would do everyone who comes here for a rational discussion a favor, but then again, that would be something nice to do, which i cannot see you doing.
I knew you weren't interested in discussion, I even thought it as I wrote my first reply to this but did it anyway.

gimmesometruth27

HeidiJam wrote:

The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,

i am not against personal responsibility. how the fuck can someone have the same opportunites when they live in the ghetto, and make no money and lack the opportunity to get out of it? maybe you should take some sociology classes? you seem to be against answering the points i point out, dismissing them, and changing the subject and inserting your own opinions.. and you are all about pointing your "personality responsibility" finger in an accusatory manner at everyone other than yourself. you can not overcome discrimination and having the deck stacked against your people in ONE generation. i am finished talking to you.

aerial

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,

i am not against personal responsibility. how the fuck can someone have the same opportunites when they live in the ghetto, and make no money and lack the opportunity to get out of it? maybe you should take some sociology classes? you seem to be against answering the points i point out, dismissing them, and changing the subject and inserting your own opinions.. and you are all about pointing your "personality responsibility" finger in an accusatory manner at everyone other than yourself. you can not overcome discrimination and having the deck stacked against your people in ONE generation. i am finished talking to you.

Seems you are talking about class discrimination, but calling it racial

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HeidiJam wrote:

If you live in the city then you know, black people are far more racist than white peoplem
I am nto saying they need to forget about what happened. But using an excuse that is 145 years old seems to be a
Bit excessive. We will never get over racism because black people use it as
An excuse for failure. I covered this in another thread but they are GIVEN all the tools to
Succeed, there should be no excuses anymore.

Here we go again with the stereotypes. :roll:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you are not an African American, right? So how the hell can you possibly think you can know or represent the experience of all (or any) African Americans??

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HeidiJam wrote:

The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,

And you seem to be someone who would have participated in lynching a couple of generations ago.

gimmesometruth27

aerial wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,

i am not against personal responsibility. how the fuck can someone have the same opportunites when they live in the ghetto, and make no money and lack the opportunity to get out of it? maybe you should take some sociology classes? you seem to be against answering the points i point out, dismissing them, and changing the subject and inserting your own opinions.. and you are all about pointing your "personality responsibility" finger in an accusatory manner at everyone other than yourself. you can not overcome discrimination and having the deck stacked against your people in ONE generation. i am finished talking to you.

Seems you are talking about class discrimination, but calling it racial

in this discussion it is exactly the same thing. they go hand in hand...and no i am talking about certain posters' ignorance of history and how it has an affect on what we see in amerika today.

Dirtie_Frank

scb wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

what did wright say that was not true?

“Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.” (sermon)

Hmm... I don't know; seems kinda true to me.

So you believe this country was founded as a country built on white supremecy? Wow!!

Dirtie_Frank

Just to add something I beleive racism is alive and well in the US. I do not condone it. I also believe that it has now become more then a white on black thing. I think there are racist on all sides of every race. I also believe that the term has become watered down a bit. For example when Jesse Jackson called the Cavs owner a racist and equated him to a slave owner. I mean really. People in inner cities have it hard, but I am not so sure of it being to the extremes as it once was there are many programs for people to better themselves. I for one could not afford to pay for college out of High School, so I worked and finnally joined the military to get an upper edge. I am not saying it is for everyone but it does work. Like I said there are programs out there to help too.