The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,
are you serious? I know you like to be a contrarian, but read. I wrote about his position that our policies in the middle east have caused a back lash and that we should not be surprised that muslim extremists are trying to attack us and that much of the world does not respect us nor should they. What is so hard for you, are you ever gonna answer any of my questions?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
could you find something he said that you believe to be true?
or are you afraid to look?
please share what you find with us?
and seriously, you are way to dismissive. It is like you don't even read the posts that answer you. am I afraid to look? NO in fact, I have looked and knew this a long time ago. so please, why don't you read posts from now on that answer you before you post replies to it. It would do everyone who comes here for a rational discussion a favor, but then again, that would be something nice to do, which i cannot see you doing.
I knew you weren't interested in discussion, I even thought it as I wrote my first reply to this but did it anyway.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,
i am not against personal responsibility. how the fuck can someone have the same opportunites when they live in the ghetto, and make no money and lack the opportunity to get out of it? maybe you should take some sociology classes? you seem to be against answering the points i point out, dismissing them, and changing the subject and inserting your own opinions.. and you are all about pointing your "personality responsibility" finger in an accusatory manner at everyone other than yourself. you can not overcome discrimination and having the deck stacked against your people in ONE generation. i am finished talking to you.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,
i am not against personal responsibility. how the fuck can someone have the same opportunites when they live in the ghetto, and make no money and lack the opportunity to get out of it? maybe you should take some sociology classes? you seem to be against answering the points i point out, dismissing them, and changing the subject and inserting your own opinions.. and you are all about pointing your "personality responsibility" finger in an accusatory manner at everyone other than yourself. you can not overcome discrimination and having the deck stacked against your people in ONE generation. i am finished talking to you.
Seems you are talking about class discrimination, but calling it racial
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
If you live in the city then you know, black people are far more racist than white peoplem
I am nto saying they need to forget about what happened. But using an excuse that is 145 years old seems to be a
Bit excessive. We will never get over racism because black people use it as
An excuse for failure. I covered this in another thread but they are GIVEN all the tools to
Succeed, there should be no excuses anymore.
Here we go again with the stereotypes. :roll:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you are not an African American, right? So how the hell can you possibly think you can know or represent the experience of all (or any) African Americans??
The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,
And you seem to be someone who would have participated in lynching a couple of generations ago.
The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,
i am not against personal responsibility. how the fuck can someone have the same opportunites when they live in the ghetto, and make no money and lack the opportunity to get out of it? maybe you should take some sociology classes? you seem to be against answering the points i point out, dismissing them, and changing the subject and inserting your own opinions.. and you are all about pointing your "personality responsibility" finger in an accusatory manner at everyone other than yourself. you can not overcome discrimination and having the deck stacked against your people in ONE generation. i am finished talking to you.
Seems you are talking about class discrimination, but calling it racial
in this discussion it is exactly the same thing. they go hand in hand...and no i am talking about certain posters' ignorance of history and how it has an affect on what we see in amerika today.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
“Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.” (sermon)
Hmm... I don't know; seems kinda true to me.
So you believe this country was founded as a country built on white supremecy? Wow!!
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Just to add something I beleive racism is alive and well in the US. I do not condone it. I also believe that it has now become more then a white on black thing. I think there are racist on all sides of every race. I also believe that the term has become watered down a bit. For example when Jesse Jackson called the Cavs owner a racist and equated him to a slave owner. I mean really. People in inner cities have it hard, but I am not so sure of it being to the extremes as it once was there are many programs for people to better themselves. I for one could not afford to pay for college out of High School, so I worked and finnally joined the military to get an upper edge. I am not saying it is for everyone but it does work. Like I said there are programs out there to help too.
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09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
please show me the lies here and
if there are none
why the media explosion
Wright spoke of the United States taking land from the Indian tribes by what he labeled as terror, bombing Grenada, Panama, Libya, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, and argued that the United States supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and South Africa. He said that his parishioners' response should be to examine their relationship with God, not go "from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents." His comment (quoting Malcolm X) that "America's chickens are coming home to roost" was widely interpreted as meaning that America had brought the September 11, 2001 attacks upon itself.[16][17][18] ABC News broadcast clips[19] from the sermon[1][20] in which Wright said:
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye... and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."
Later, Wright continued :
"Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people that we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that."[19]
[edit] "Confusing God and Government"
Clips from a sermon that Wright gave, entitled "Confusing God and Government", were also shown on ABC's Good Morning America[1] and Fox News. In the sermon, Wright first makes the distinction between God and governments, and points out that many governments in the past have failed: "Where governments lie, God does not lie. Where governments change, God does not change."[21] Wright then states:
"[The United States] government lied about their belief that all men were created equal. The truth is they believed that all white men were created equal. The truth is they did not even believe that white women were created equal, in creation nor civilization. The government had to pass an amendment to the Constitution to get white women the vote. Then the government had to pass an equal rights amendment to get equal protection under the law for women. The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence who sexually harassed Anita Hill, and a closeted Klan court, that is a throwback to the 19th century, handpicked by Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, between Clarence and that stacked court, they are about to undo Roe vs. Wade, just like they are about to un-do affirmative action. The government lied in its founding documents and the government is still lying today. Governments lie."
He continued:
"The government lied about Pearl Harbor too. They knew the Japanese were going to attack. Governments lie. The government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. They wanted that resolution to get us in the Vietnam War. Governments lie. The government lied about Nelson Mandela and our CIA helped put him in prison and keep him there for 27 years. The South African government lied on Nelson Mandela. Governments lie."
Wright then stated:
"The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, 'Let me make myself perfectly clear...' Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie.... The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie."
He spoke about the government's rationale for the Iraq War:
"The government lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq being a threat to the United States peace. And guess what else? If they don't find them some weapons of mass destruction, they gonna do just like the LAPD, and plant the some weapons of mass destruction. Governments lie."
Wright then commented on God and government:
"And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America — that's in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent.."[21][22][23][24]
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So you believe this country was founded as a country built on white supremecy? Wow!!
...
The persons you might want to ask are the Native Americans.
Also, even though it was perfectly legal and an accepted practice in the 1700s to own slaves, our founders were slave owners. Slaves were considered to be livestock (with the horses and cows) and didn't get to vote. So, not all men were created equal back then... except to men that you considered part of Mankind.
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Not arguing... just stating fact.
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“Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.” (sermon)
Hmm... I don't know; seems kinda true to me.
So you believe this country was founded as a country built on white supremecy? Wow!!
I think we have the same problem in this and all the similar threads: There seem to be people who think racism/supremacy exist only when it's overt/conscious/intentional and others who think it exists whether it's intentional & recognized by everyone or not. I fall into the latter group.
So, yes, I do think this country was built on white supremacy. It may not have been the purpose of the founding of our nation, but it certainly played a foundational role.
Just to add something I beleive racism is alive and well in the US. I do not condone it. I also believe that it has now become more then a white on black thing. I think there are racist on all sides of every race. I also believe that the term has become watered down a bit. For example when Jesse Jackson called the Cavs owner a racist and equated him to a slave owner. I mean really. People in inner cities have it hard, but I am not so sure of it being to the extremes as it once was there are many programs for people to better themselves. I for one could not afford to pay for college out of High School, so I worked and finnally joined the military to get an upper edge. I am not saying it is for everyone but it does work. Like I said there are programs out there to help too.
Ah, yes - the poverty draft! Another example of all the great things our government gives to people of color so they have more opportunities that white people now.
Just to add something I beleive racism is alive and well in the US. I do not condone it. I also believe that it has now become more then a white on black thing. I think there are racist on all sides of every race. I also believe that the term has become watered down a bit. For example when Jesse Jackson called the Cavs owner a racist and equated him to a slave owner. I mean really. People in inner cities have it hard, but I am not so sure of it being to the extremes as it once was there are many programs for people to better themselves. I for one could not afford to pay for college out of High School, so I worked and finnally joined the military to get an upper edge. I am not saying it is for everyone but it does work. Like I said there are programs out there to help too.
Ah, yes - the poverty draft! Another example of all the great things our government gives to people of color so they have more opportunities that white people now.
I stated there are other programs too. What do you want? Do you want to take everything from people who do work for things and just hand it over to people who are poor. I worked my ass off to get where I am. Yes I went the military route. You want to hear something it worked. I had black, asian, white, hispanic NCO's (basically first line supervisor) and officers in charge. Everyone got a fair shake at it no matter what. If you worked hard you were promoted if not well you just got stuck with the shit details.
I see nothing wrong with joining the military if people do then don't join there is no draft.
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Just to add something I beleive racism is alive and well in the US. I do not condone it. I also believe that it has now become more then a white on black thing. I think there are racist on all sides of every race. I also believe that the term has become watered down a bit. For example when Jesse Jackson called the Cavs owner a racist and equated him to a slave owner. I mean really. People in inner cities have it hard, but I am not so sure of it being to the extremes as it once was there are many programs for people to better themselves. I for one could not afford to pay for college out of High School, so I worked and finnally joined the military to get an upper edge. I am not saying it is for everyone but it does work. Like I said there are programs out there to help too.
Ah, yes - the poverty draft! Another example of all the great things our government gives to people of color so they have more opportunities that white people now.
Why does the government have to give oportunities, no one gave me one.
edit:
I would also say that some minorities do have better oportunities, case in point, when my wife applied to a college she was told that they have met there quota for white women, so even though she might have had a better GPA in HIgh School and higher SAT scores she was not allowed to attend. I think these quotas need to go and you get in based on merit not by ethnicity or color.
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98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
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08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,
And you seem to be someone who would have participated in lynching a couple of generations ago.
Why because i disagree??? Its people like you contiue racisim. I am treating them like everyone else and you seem to think they deserve a pass because of skin color...
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you are not an African American, right? So how the hell can you possibly think you can know or represent the experience of all (or any) African Americans??
I don't like to talk about my personal life, but i will to prove my point. I work for one of the largest Minority contractors (Construction Management) in the whole state of OHIO. I am not an african american but i will give you a little information since you think i "go out on a limb" My company is literally given job since it is a minority and we get somework on nearly every single public/ gov job. We are working on a 50 million dollar job in Cincinnati (the Banks) and a 1 billion dollar job in Columbus. These job are given for the sake of having a minority compnay as part of the construction team to the public image. During the bidding process each contractor (winning bidder) had to meet SBE (small business enterprise) and MBE (minority business enterprise)goal percentage or their bids are thrown out, no matter if they are the lowest bidder it is usally in the 10 - 20 % range. Minorites are GIVEN, repeat GIVEN all the tools to succeed. Do you realize how good you would have it if you started a woman owned construction company. ALL this information I posted is public info so incase you don't believe me you can look it up. My co-workers and bosses are mosly black about 95 percent of the company is. They tell me all the time about how easily a well educated black man has it. I don't want to hear about this "they can't get out of the inner city" BS because they can, they need very minimal test scores to go to college compared to other races, and then you have to factor in AA which is giving people a job based on skin color not on who is best for the job. We had a worked get "layed off" a couple of weeks ago due to being a very lazy worker. She told me she was going back to school and going to college unemployment until she can get her GOV funded day care started. The GOV is footing the bill for the rest of her life. Its funny the educated responsible black bosses I have never make excuses up when they don't win a private job, they just work harder and try to team up with other contractors to get our name and quality of work out. But please paint me as a racisit because I want them treated like everyone else.
Just to add something I beleive racism is alive and well in the US. I do not condone it. I also believe that it has now become more then a white on black thing. I think there are racist on all sides of every race. I also believe that the term has become watered down a bit. For example when Jesse Jackson called the Cavs owner a racist and equated him to a slave owner. I mean really. People in inner cities have it hard, but I am not so sure of it being to the extremes as it once was there are many programs for people to better themselves. I for one could not afford to pay for college out of High School, so I worked and finnally joined the military to get an upper edge. I am not saying it is for everyone but it does work. Like I said there are programs out there to help too.
Ah, yes - the poverty draft! Another example of all the great things our government gives to people of color so they have more opportunities that white people now.
I stated there are other programs too. What do you want? Do you want to take everything from people who do work for things and just hand it over to people who are poor. I worked my ass off to get where I am. Yes I went the military route. You want to hear something it worked. I had black, asian, white, hispanic NCO's (basically first line supervisor) and officers in charge. Everyone got a fair shake at it no matter what. If you worked hard you were promoted if not well you just got stuck with the shit details.
I see nothing wrong with joining the military if people do then don't join there is no draft.
Why does the government have to give oportunities, no one gave me one.
edit:
I would also say that some minorities do have better oportunities, case in point, when my wife applied to a college she was told that they have met there quota for white women, so even though she might have had a better GPA in HIgh School and higher SAT scores she was not allowed to attend. I think these quotas need to go and you get in based on merit not by ethnicity or color.
What do I want? I want people to stop with their self-righteous judgments that if someone else (or some group of people) doesn't have as much as them it's because they don't work as hard. That's what I want. Oh yeah, and I want people to stop taking anecdotal information and generalizing it to entire populations of people.
And I'm confused about your posts. Didn't you just list the military as one of the opportunities provided for poor people to get ahead? And you said you joined the military and that's how you got ahead? And then you said no one gave you any opportunities? :?
And I'm confused about your posts. Didn't you just list the military as one of the opportunities provided for poor people to get ahead? And you said you joined the military and that's how you got ahead? And then you said no one gave you any opportunities? :?
Exactly no one gave me anything I worked for it. I made the decicions to do what I had to do to make a better life for myself and now for my wife and kids. I wasn't given anything on a silver platter. The oppurtunities I recieved in the military were earned not given.
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10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
The sad thing is people like you will you this excuse and same points in you post when it is 2050.
There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,
And you seem to be someone who would have participated in lynching a couple of generations ago.
Why because i disagree??? Its people like you contiue racisim. I am treating them like everyone else and you seem to think they deserve a pass because of skin color...
No, not because you disagree. Plenty of people disagree with me around here and I've only ever called one of them a racist. It's the way you speak of "them" that gives me that impression of you. Do you really treat everyone else with such disgust and disrespect?
And I'm confused about your posts. Didn't you just list the military as one of the opportunities provided for poor people to get ahead? And you said you joined the military and that's how you got ahead? And then you said no one gave you any opportunities? :?
Exactly no one gave me anything I worked for it. I made the decicions to do what I had to do to make a better life for myself and now for my wife and kids. I wasn't given anything on a silver platter. The oppurtunities I recieved in the military were earned not given.
So then the military is NOT one of these opportunities you are talking about that minorities have? :?
And I'm confused about your posts. Didn't you just list the military as one of the opportunities provided for poor people to get ahead? And you said you joined the military and that's how you got ahead? And then you said no one gave you any opportunities? :?
Exactly no one gave me anything I worked for it. I made the decicions to do what I had to do to make a better life for myself and now for my wife and kids. I wasn't given anything on a silver platter. The oppurtunities I recieved in the military were earned not given.
So then the military is NOT one of these opportunities you are talking about that minorities have? :?
It is one of the oppurtunities, but you called it a poverty draft.
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09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you are not an African American, right? So how the hell can you possibly think you can know or represent the experience of all (or any) African Americans??
I don't like to talk about my personal life, but i will to prove my point. I work for one of the largest Minority contractors (Construction Management) in the whole state of OHIO. I am not an african american but i will give you a little information since you think i "go out on a limb" My company is literally given job since it is a minority and we get somework on nearly every single public/ gov job. We are working on a 50 million dollar job in Cincinnati (the Banks) and a 1 billion dollar job in Columbus. These job are given for the sake of having a minority compnay as part of the construction team to the public image. During the bidding process each contractor (winning bidder) had to meet SBE (small business enterprise) and MBE (minority business enterprise)goal percentage or their bids are thrown out, no matter if they are the lowest bidder it is usally in the 10 - 20 % range. Minorites are GIVEN, repeat GIVEN all the tools to succeed. Do you realize how good you would have it if you started a woman owned construction company. ALL this information I posted is public info so incase you don't believe me you can look it up. My co-workers and bosses are mosly black about 95 percent of the company is. They tell me all the time about how easily a well educated black man has it. I don't want to hear about this "they can't get out of the inner city" BS because they can, they need very minimal test scores to go to college compared to other races, and then you have to factor in AA which is giving people a job based on skin color not on who is best for the job. We had a worked get "layed off" a couple of weeks ago due to being a very lazy worker. She told me she was going back to school and going to college unemployment until she can get her GOV funded day care started. The GOV is footing the bill for the rest of her life. Its funny the educated responsible black bosses I have never make excuses up when they don't win a private job, they just work harder and try to team up with other contractors to get our name and quality of work out. But please paint me as a racisit because I want them treated like everyone else.
I didn't say YOU were going out on a limb; I said I was going out on a limb.
So what I hear you saying is that black companies are given tools and work they don't deserve and that you work for just such a black company. So then aren't YOU just as guilty as they supposedly are of being given things you didn't earn?? I'd say even more guilty, actually, since all these benefits aren't even meant for you.
And how on earth can you possibly say a woman who goes back to school to open her own daycare, which takes LOTS of hard work, has the government footing the bill for the rest of her life (as if she's somehow mooching off the taxpayers)?? Are you fucking kidding me with that logic? I guess, then, the government is footing the bill for Dirtie_Frank, too, since he was paid by the government. And if your company has any government contracts, the government is footing your bill too. :roll:
And you seem to be someone who would have participated in lynching a couple of generations ago.
Why because i disagree??? Its people like you contiue racisim. I am treating them like everyone else and you seem to think they deserve a pass because of skin color...[/quote]
No, not because you disagree. Plenty of people disagree with me around here and I've only ever called one of them a racist. It's the way you speak of "them" that gives me that impression of you. Do you really treat everyone else with such disgust and disrespect?[/quote]
Read my long post above. I have never spoken poorly of them, I have alot more first hand experience than most. There are reasons for the stats of education, welfare recepients, and prisons populations. this isn't a freak occurance, its a generational trend/ pattern and people just want to trow money into programs for them because of something that happened in the past. I don't know why you think that providing excuses is doing them a favor. What benefit do they get? Please explain to me what good welfare and AA has provided.
Exactly no one gave me anything I worked for it. I made the decicions to do what I had to do to make a better life for myself and now for my wife and kids. I wasn't given anything on a silver platter. The oppurtunities I recieved in the military were earned not given.
So then the military is NOT one of these opportunities you are talking about that minorities have? :?
It is one of the oppurtunities, but you called it a poverty draft.
Okay, well if it's an opportunity for them, it's an opportunity for you too. And it is a poverty draft. People join the military - as you just said you did, as my dad did, as many of my friends have, etc. - because they otherwise can't afford to get ahead. It's one of the few options for good employment for poor people.
And you seem to be someone who would have participated in lynching a couple of generations ago.
Why because i disagree??? Its people like you contiue racisim. I am treating them like everyone else and you seem to think they deserve a pass because of skin color...
No, not because you disagree. Plenty of people disagree with me around here and I've only ever called one of them a racist. It's the way you speak of "them" that gives me that impression of you. Do you really treat everyone else with such disgust and disrespect?[/quote]
Read my long post above. I have never spoken poorly of them, I have alot more first hand experience than most. There are reasons for the stats of education, welfare recepients, and prisons populations. this isn't a freak occurance, its a generational trend/ pattern and people just want to trow money into programs for them because of something that happened in the past. I don't know why you think that providing excuses is doing them a favor. What benefit do they get? Please explain to me what good welfare and AA has provided.[/quote]
so how in your mind is one to two of the most recent generations of african americans going to overcome all of the adversity that people as recent as their gransparents had to go through? can't you see that overcoming all of those obstacles does not happen in only 40 years. it takes generations of equal opportunities.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Okay, well if it's an opportunity for them, it's an opportunity for you too. And it is a poverty draft. People join the military - as you just said you did, as my dad did, as many of my friends have, etc. - because they otherwise can't afford to get ahead. It's one of the few options for good employment for poor people.
When it comes out that way it sounds negative and disrespectful to me, your dad, your friends and the many men and women who have joined the military. Like I said it was not given but earned you do not "get" anything in the military you earn it.
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Okay, well if it's an opportunity for them, it's an opportunity for you too. And it is a poverty draft. People join the military - as you just said you did, as my dad did, as many of my friends have, etc. - because they otherwise can't afford to get ahead. It's one of the few options for good employment for poor people.
When it comes out that way it sounds negative and disrespectful to me, your dad, your friends and the many men and women who have joined the military. Like I said it was not given but earned you do not "get" anything in the military you earn it.
they let you join didn't they? that is receiving a job is it not?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
No, not because you disagree. Plenty of people disagree with me around here and I've only ever called one of them a racist. It's the way you speak of "them" that gives me that impression of you. Do you really treat everyone else with such disgust and disrespect?
Read my long post above. I have never spoken poorly of them, I have alot more first hand experience than most. There are reasons for the stats of education, welfare recepients, and prisons populations. this isn't a freak occurance, its a generational trend/ pattern and people just want to trow money into programs for them because of something that happened in the past. I don't know why you think that providing excuses is doing them a favor. What benefit do they get? Please explain to me what good welfare and AA has provided.
Well maybe we just have different opinions of what it means to speak poorly of someone. Adjectives like "disgusting" and "sickening" fall into the disrespectful category to me, as does saying "they" are "far more racist than white people" and "use [racism] as an excuse for failure" and are "GIVEN" so much, as if they didn't earn it. Plus, you've spoken all kinds of poorly about "them" in plenty of other threads before.
I also don't think working with a lot of black people gives you some great understanding of the plight of the entire population of African Americans or gives you license to speak for them, nor do I agree with your inflated opinion of yourself as having "alot more first hand experience than most".
Yes, there are reasons for the stats on education, welfare, and prison populations, but I've never known you to have any interest in understanding them. (There's a difference between understanding and making excuses, by the way.) I've only known you to sit up on your high horse and point your finger at "them". I don't blame you; I know it makes you feel better about yourself to think that if you have more than someone else it must be because you're such a better, hard-working person.
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There is no answer to how long it takes to get over the oppression. Bit you have blinders on you eyes if
You do see them using it as an excuse not to succeed. 40% of their populatio is on welfare, their graduation rate
Disgusting for HS, and thie prision population is sickening. Yet they are not held to the same standards as other races
For college admission and now we have AA. Look up the stats on black on black crime, yet if there is a white on black crime
It will be all over the news as a racisim crime. You seem to be against personal responsibility,
are you serious? I know you like to be a contrarian, but read. I wrote about his position that our policies in the middle east have caused a back lash and that we should not be surprised that muslim extremists are trying to attack us and that much of the world does not respect us nor should they. What is so hard for you, are you ever gonna answer any of my questions?
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and seriously, you are way to dismissive. It is like you don't even read the posts that answer you. am I afraid to look? NO in fact, I have looked and knew this a long time ago. so please, why don't you read posts from now on that answer you before you post replies to it. It would do everyone who comes here for a rational discussion a favor, but then again, that would be something nice to do, which i cannot see you doing.
I knew you weren't interested in discussion, I even thought it as I wrote my first reply to this but did it anyway.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Seems you are talking about class discrimination, but calling it racial
Here we go again with the stereotypes. :roll:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you are not an African American, right? So how the hell can you possibly think you can know or represent the experience of all (or any) African Americans??
And you seem to be someone who would have participated in lynching a couple of generations ago.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
So you believe this country was founded as a country built on white supremecy? Wow!!
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this wasn't supposed to be all about racism
more about truths
please show me the lies here and
if there are none
why the media explosion
Wright spoke of the United States taking land from the Indian tribes by what he labeled as terror, bombing Grenada, Panama, Libya, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, and argued that the United States supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and South Africa. He said that his parishioners' response should be to examine their relationship with God, not go "from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents." His comment (quoting Malcolm X) that "America's chickens are coming home to roost" was widely interpreted as meaning that America had brought the September 11, 2001 attacks upon itself.[16][17][18] ABC News broadcast clips[19] from the sermon[1][20] in which Wright said:
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye... and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."
Later, Wright continued :
"Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people that we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that."[19]
[edit] "Confusing God and Government"
Clips from a sermon that Wright gave, entitled "Confusing God and Government", were also shown on ABC's Good Morning America[1] and Fox News. In the sermon, Wright first makes the distinction between God and governments, and points out that many governments in the past have failed: "Where governments lie, God does not lie. Where governments change, God does not change."[21] Wright then states:
"[The United States] government lied about their belief that all men were created equal. The truth is they believed that all white men were created equal. The truth is they did not even believe that white women were created equal, in creation nor civilization. The government had to pass an amendment to the Constitution to get white women the vote. Then the government had to pass an equal rights amendment to get equal protection under the law for women. The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence who sexually harassed Anita Hill, and a closeted Klan court, that is a throwback to the 19th century, handpicked by Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, between Clarence and that stacked court, they are about to undo Roe vs. Wade, just like they are about to un-do affirmative action. The government lied in its founding documents and the government is still lying today. Governments lie."
He continued:
"The government lied about Pearl Harbor too. They knew the Japanese were going to attack. Governments lie. The government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. They wanted that resolution to get us in the Vietnam War. Governments lie. The government lied about Nelson Mandela and our CIA helped put him in prison and keep him there for 27 years. The South African government lied on Nelson Mandela. Governments lie."
Wright then stated:
"The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, 'Let me make myself perfectly clear...' Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie.... The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie."
He spoke about the government's rationale for the Iraq War:
"The government lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq being a threat to the United States peace. And guess what else? If they don't find them some weapons of mass destruction, they gonna do just like the LAPD, and plant the some weapons of mass destruction. Governments lie."
Wright then commented on God and government:
"And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America — that's in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent.."[21][22][23][24]
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The persons you might want to ask are the Native Americans.
Also, even though it was perfectly legal and an accepted practice in the 1700s to own slaves, our founders were slave owners. Slaves were considered to be livestock (with the horses and cows) and didn't get to vote. So, not all men were created equal back then... except to men that you considered part of Mankind.
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Not arguing... just stating fact.
Hail, Hail!!!
I think we have the same problem in this and all the similar threads: There seem to be people who think racism/supremacy exist only when it's overt/conscious/intentional and others who think it exists whether it's intentional & recognized by everyone or not. I fall into the latter group.
So, yes, I do think this country was built on white supremacy. It may not have been the purpose of the founding of our nation, but it certainly played a foundational role.
Ah, yes - the poverty draft! Another example of all the great things our government gives to people of color so they have more opportunities that white people now.
I stated there are other programs too. What do you want? Do you want to take everything from people who do work for things and just hand it over to people who are poor. I worked my ass off to get where I am. Yes I went the military route. You want to hear something it worked. I had black, asian, white, hispanic NCO's (basically first line supervisor) and officers in charge. Everyone got a fair shake at it no matter what. If you worked hard you were promoted if not well you just got stuck with the shit details.
I see nothing wrong with joining the military if people do then don't join there is no draft.
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Why does the government have to give oportunities, no one gave me one.
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I would also say that some minorities do have better oportunities, case in point, when my wife applied to a college she was told that they have met there quota for white women, so even though she might have had a better GPA in HIgh School and higher SAT scores she was not allowed to attend. I think these quotas need to go and you get in based on merit not by ethnicity or color.
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I don't like to talk about my personal life, but i will to prove my point. I work for one of the largest Minority contractors (Construction Management) in the whole state of OHIO. I am not an african american but i will give you a little information since you think i "go out on a limb" My company is literally given job since it is a minority and we get somework on nearly every single public/ gov job. We are working on a 50 million dollar job in Cincinnati (the Banks) and a 1 billion dollar job in Columbus. These job are given for the sake of having a minority compnay as part of the construction team to the public image. During the bidding process each contractor (winning bidder) had to meet SBE (small business enterprise) and MBE (minority business enterprise)goal percentage or their bids are thrown out, no matter if they are the lowest bidder it is usally in the 10 - 20 % range. Minorites are GIVEN, repeat GIVEN all the tools to succeed. Do you realize how good you would have it if you started a woman owned construction company. ALL this information I posted is public info so incase you don't believe me you can look it up. My co-workers and bosses are mosly black about 95 percent of the company is. They tell me all the time about how easily a well educated black man has it. I don't want to hear about this "they can't get out of the inner city" BS because they can, they need very minimal test scores to go to college compared to other races, and then you have to factor in AA which is giving people a job based on skin color not on who is best for the job. We had a worked get "layed off" a couple of weeks ago due to being a very lazy worker. She told me she was going back to school and going to college unemployment until she can get her GOV funded day care started. The GOV is footing the bill for the rest of her life. Its funny the educated responsible black bosses I have never make excuses up when they don't win a private job, they just work harder and try to team up with other contractors to get our name and quality of work out. But please paint me as a racisit because I want them treated like everyone else.
What do I want? I want people to stop with their self-righteous judgments that if someone else (or some group of people) doesn't have as much as them it's because they don't work as hard. That's what I want. Oh yeah, and I want people to stop taking anecdotal information and generalizing it to entire populations of people.
And I'm confused about your posts. Didn't you just list the military as one of the opportunities provided for poor people to get ahead? And you said you joined the military and that's how you got ahead? And then you said no one gave you any opportunities? :?
Exactly no one gave me anything I worked for it. I made the decicions to do what I had to do to make a better life for myself and now for my wife and kids. I wasn't given anything on a silver platter. The oppurtunities I recieved in the military were earned not given.
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No, not because you disagree. Plenty of people disagree with me around here and I've only ever called one of them a racist. It's the way you speak of "them" that gives me that impression of you. Do you really treat everyone else with such disgust and disrespect?
So then the military is NOT one of these opportunities you are talking about that minorities have? :?
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I didn't say YOU were going out on a limb; I said I was going out on a limb.
So what I hear you saying is that black companies are given tools and work they don't deserve and that you work for just such a black company. So then aren't YOU just as guilty as they supposedly are of being given things you didn't earn?? I'd say even more guilty, actually, since all these benefits aren't even meant for you.
And how on earth can you possibly say a woman who goes back to school to open her own daycare, which takes LOTS of hard work, has the government footing the bill for the rest of her life (as if she's somehow mooching off the taxpayers)?? Are you fucking kidding me with that logic? I guess, then, the government is footing the bill for Dirtie_Frank, too, since he was paid by the government. And if your company has any government contracts, the government is footing your bill too. :roll:
No, not because you disagree. Plenty of people disagree with me around here and I've only ever called one of them a racist. It's the way you speak of "them" that gives me that impression of you. Do you really treat everyone else with such disgust and disrespect?[/quote]
Read my long post above. I have never spoken poorly of them, I have alot more first hand experience than most. There are reasons for the stats of education, welfare recepients, and prisons populations. this isn't a freak occurance, its a generational trend/ pattern and people just want to trow money into programs for them because of something that happened in the past. I don't know why you think that providing excuses is doing them a favor. What benefit do they get? Please explain to me what good welfare and AA has provided.
Okay, well if it's an opportunity for them, it's an opportunity for you too. And it is a poverty draft. People join the military - as you just said you did, as my dad did, as many of my friends have, etc. - because they otherwise can't afford to get ahead. It's one of the few options for good employment for poor people.
No, not because you disagree. Plenty of people disagree with me around here and I've only ever called one of them a racist. It's the way you speak of "them" that gives me that impression of you. Do you really treat everyone else with such disgust and disrespect?[/quote]
Read my long post above. I have never spoken poorly of them, I have alot more first hand experience than most. There are reasons for the stats of education, welfare recepients, and prisons populations. this isn't a freak occurance, its a generational trend/ pattern and people just want to trow money into programs for them because of something that happened in the past. I don't know why you think that providing excuses is doing them a favor. What benefit do they get? Please explain to me what good welfare and AA has provided.[/quote]
so how in your mind is one to two of the most recent generations of african americans going to overcome all of the adversity that people as recent as their gransparents had to go through? can't you see that overcoming all of those obstacles does not happen in only 40 years. it takes generations of equal opportunities.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
When it comes out that way it sounds negative and disrespectful to me, your dad, your friends and the many men and women who have joined the military. Like I said it was not given but earned you do not "get" anything in the military you earn it.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Well maybe we just have different opinions of what it means to speak poorly of someone. Adjectives like "disgusting" and "sickening" fall into the disrespectful category to me, as does saying "they" are "far more racist than white people" and "use [racism] as an excuse for failure" and are "GIVEN" so much, as if they didn't earn it. Plus, you've spoken all kinds of poorly about "them" in plenty of other threads before.
I also don't think working with a lot of black people gives you some great understanding of the plight of the entire population of African Americans or gives you license to speak for them, nor do I agree with your inflated opinion of yourself as having "alot more first hand experience than most".
Yes, there are reasons for the stats on education, welfare, and prison populations, but I've never known you to have any interest in understanding them. (There's a difference between understanding and making excuses, by the way.) I've only known you to sit up on your high horse and point your finger at "them". I don't blame you; I know it makes you feel better about yourself to think that if you have more than someone else it must be because you're such a better, hard-working person.