According to Velo News he was booted for the head butting.
that was some crazy shit! i've never seen anything like it :shock:
didn't read about today....haven't seen it yet and didn't want to spoil the suspense.
Sorry. Maybe SPOILER should be put in the thread title.
no worries....i stopped after the discussion about yesterday's sprint...added my 2 cents....and then watched today's stage. Man...that last hill...most of them looked to be in danger of falling over. :problem:
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Let me clarify. If the other two - Menchov and Sanchez - could have been convinced to wait then he should have waited. If they wouldn't then that would be tough to let them get away.
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Let me clarify. If the other two - Menchov and Sanchez - could have been convinced to wait then he should have waited. If they wouldn't then that would be tough to let them get away.
ya ... i'm torn on this ... he can't give time to menchov ... at least shleck is still only 8 seconds back ... and basically nothing changes in terms of things are gonna be decided on the tourmalet ... and the time trial ...
want to hear what contador has to say ... pretty sure menchov could care less ...
Let me clarify. If the other two - Menchov and Sanchez - could have been convinced to wait then he should have waited. If they wouldn't then that would be tough to let them get away.
ya ... i'm torn on this ... he can't give time to menchov ... at least shleck is still only 8 seconds back ... and basically nothing changes in terms of things are gonna be decided on the tourmalet ... and the time trial ...
want to hear what contador has to say ... pretty sure menchov could care less ...
I was following the live race feeds online as it was happening. Looks like AC really pick up time on the descent. Looked like they were only separated by about 10secs going over the top. Still strange tactics by AC. Glad I am not the one messing with karma.
I was following the live race feeds online as it was happening. Looks like AC really pick up time on the descent. Looked like they were only separated by about 10secs going over the top. Still strange tactics by AC. Glad I am not the one messing with karma.
the time gaps are often inaccurate based on the feeds ... in watching the broadcast ... it looked like to me it was somewhere around 23 seconds ... but i'm just speculating ...
in reviewing this and reading their comments ... these things stick out:
1. AC DEFINITELY knew that andy had a mechanical problem ... i don't believe him when he only found out after.
2. AC did wait for Andy when he crashed earlier in the tour
3. Andy took advantage of crashes, flats and such on the cobblestones to gain time on many GC guys
4. This is bike racing and his chain falling off is partly his fault for misgearing - should someone wait for you if you kind of mess up?
all in all ... i think AC should have waited but i don't think the tour will be decided by this incident ...
The rider who probably got the worst deal from all this: Thomas Voekler. Poor guy rides tremendously, wins a tough stage, and all the talk is about whether Contador should have waited for Schleck.
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals. Ghandi
I was following the live race feeds online as it was happening. Looks like AC really pick up time on the descent. Looked like they were only separated by about 10secs going over the top. Still strange tactics by AC. Glad I am not the one messing with karma.
the time gaps are often inaccurate based on the feeds ... in watching the broadcast ... it looked like to me it was somewhere around 23 seconds ... but i'm just speculating ...
in reviewing this and reading their comments ... these things stick out:
1. AC DEFINITELY knew that andy had a mechanical problem ... i don't believe him when he only found out after.
2. AC did wait for Andy when he crashed earlier in the tour
3. Andy took advantage of crashes, flats and such on the cobblestones to gain time on many GC guys
4. This is bike racing and his chain falling off is partly his fault for misgearing - should someone wait for you if you kind of mess up?
all in all ... i think AC should have waited but i don't think the tour will be decided by this incident ...
The Tourmalet is going to be fun to watch. Yes it is a tough question to answer. They don't stop the clock on a time trial if you flat or loose your chain and liek you said on the cobbles no one waits. AC essentially grabbed seconds that he won't really need and in the process makes himself look like a jerk. He is a much better TT'er than AS.
The rider who probably got the worst deal from all this: Thomas Voekler. Poor guy rides tremendously, wins a tough stage, and all the talk is about whether Contador should have waited for Schleck.
The Tourmalet is going to be fun to watch. Yes it is a tough question to answer. They don't stop the clock on a time trial if you flat or loose your chain and liek you said on the cobbles no one waits. AC essentially grabbed seconds that he won't really need and in the process makes himself look like a jerk. He is a much better TT'er than AS.
tomorrow will be devastation!
i'm not so certain AC didn't need these seconds on second thought ... if he thinks his form is not as good as Andy's - he may be scared of losing a minute or so on the tourmalet climbs tomorrow and thursday ... if Andy gets 90 seconds on AC - he just might be able to ride within that on the TT ... maybe AC didn't want to take that chance ...
in the end, the best guy is still going to win. who that is............i don't know.
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MADRID -- Spanish cyclist Alberto Contador has apologized for the way he took over the lead in the Tour de France from rival Andy Schleck.
During Monday's stage, Schleck's chain came off and Contador kept riding, rather than waiting in accordance with race etiquette.
In a video posted on YouTube, Contador said: "Maybe I made a mistake. I'm sorry. I don't like things like what happened today, I'm not like that and I hope the relationship that I have with Andy can go back to being as good as it was before this happened."
Contador initially insisted he hadn't seen that Schleck had a problem.
The tour continues Tuesday with the 16th stage.
Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press
can I get a grain of salt with that? :think:
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MADRID -- Spanish cyclist Alberto Contador has apologized for the way he took over the lead in the Tour de France from rival Andy Schleck.
During Monday's stage, Schleck's chain came off and Contador kept riding, rather than waiting in accordance with race etiquette.
In a video posted on YouTube, Contador said: "Maybe I made a mistake. I'm sorry. I don't like things like what happened today, I'm not like that and I hope the relationship that I have with Andy can go back to being as good as it was before this happened."
Contador initially insisted he hadn't seen that Schleck had a problem.
The tour continues Tuesday with the 16th stage.
Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press
can I get a grain of salt with that? :think:
I love "Maybe I made a mistake" What a shitty way to lose yellow though.
yeah ... like i said yesterday, i'm pretty sure alberto knew there was an issue and by the way he was looking back constantly up the rest of the climb - i'm guessing he was kinda hoping he would see andy ... hopefully, the tour won't be decided by these 40 seconds ...
the long descent finish today is kinda ruining the stage ... nothing is gonna happen ... we'll see if lance can win a stage ...
yeah ... like i said yesterday, i'm pretty sure alberto knew there was an issue and by the way he was looking back constantly up the rest of the climb - i'm guessing he was kinda hoping he would see andy ... hopefully, the tour won't be decided by these 40 seconds ...
the long descent finish today is kinda ruining the stage ... nothing is gonna happen ... we'll see if lance can win a stage ...
yeah ... like i said yesterday, i'm pretty sure alberto knew there was an issue and by the way he was looking back constantly up the rest of the climb - i'm guessing he was kinda hoping he would see andy ... hopefully, the tour won't be decided by these 40 seconds ...
the long descent finish today is kinda ruining the stage ... nothing is gonna happen ... we'll see if lance can win a stage ...
Much better when they have the Mt. top finishes.
yeah ... how can you have a stage with two cat 1 and two HC climbs and have no change in the top of the GC standing? ... ridiculous ...
Hopefully all the talk of AS and AC will give way to the racing. Not sure what all the fuss was about as AC had already stopped for AC during the tour and how many times do they have to. Next we'll have F1 drivers pulling over for a guy with a flat.
If you take part in a sport where you can be at the mercy of a mechanical object you have to take the knocks.
This tour is excellent and it's a shame it finishes Sunday.
quote] I bet LA would be a little closer if not for those crashes and prob on pace for a podium finish. At this point in his career no longer in the same class as the pure climber's. From what I was reading BMC was pushing a monster pace. Looks like Astana's team so far has been the strongest as AC has been surrounded by his team for good parts of the climbs. Levi not in the same class as those guys either.[/quote]
LA would absolutley be in a better place and poised for the podium if not for the crashes and the flat tire during the earlier stages. He came into TDF in good form this year after placing 2nd in the GC for Tour de Suisse. I don't think he anticipated these circumstances when he announced 2010 would be his last TDF. I would be surprised if he retracts and is back next year. I see the podium being AC, AS but not sure who to call as a possible 3rd. Though I would love to see Levi up there. He's 7 in GC right now.
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quote] I bet LA would be a little closer if not for those crashes and prob on pace for a podium finish. At this point in his career no longer in the same class as the pure climber's. From what I was reading BMC was pushing a monster pace. Looks like Astana's team so far has been the strongest as AC has been surrounded by his team for good parts of the climbs. Levi not in the same class as those guys either.
LA would absolutley be in a better place and poised for the podium if not for the crashes and the flat tire during the earlier stages. He came into TDF in good form this year after placing 2nd in the GC for Tour de Suisse. I don't think he anticipated these circumstances when he announced 2010 would be his last TDF. I would be surprised if he retracts and is back next year. I see the podium being AC, AS but not sure who to call as a possible 3rd. Though I would love to see Levi up there. He's 7 in GC right now.
Good to see some cycling fans here. Maybe we'll see a PJ cycling jersey in the Goods section someday. :thumbup:[/quote]
I meant to say I "wouldn't" be surprised if LA retracts and is back next year.
quote] I bet LA would be a little closer if not for those crashes and prob on pace for a podium finish. At this point in his career no longer in the same class as the pure climber's. From what I was reading BMC was pushing a monster pace. Looks like Astana's team so far has been the strongest as AC has been surrounded by his team for good parts of the climbs. Levi not in the same class as those guys either.
LA would absolutley be in a better place and poised for the podium if not for the crashes and the flat tire during the earlier stages. He came into TDF in good form this year after placing 2nd in the GC for Tour de Suisse. I don't think he anticipated these circumstances when he announced 2010 would be his last TDF. I would be surprised if he retracts and is back next year. I see the podium being AC, AS but not sure who to call as a possible 3rd. Though I would love to see Levi up there. He's 7 in GC right now.
Good to see some cycling fans here. Maybe we'll see a PJ cycling jersey in the Goods section someday. :thumbup:
I meant to say I "wouldn't" be surprised if LA retracts and is back next year.[/quote]
I believe he is racing next year just not at the TDF. The one crash where he slide on is back at 40MPH I think really took a lot out of him. Really tough for him to compete with the younger riders at this point in his career. Would love to see him ride some of the one day spring classics (Paris Roubaix) Nice to see him on the break yesterday. When was the last time we saw that. Terrible stage b/c the finish was all downhill. With those MT's should have been a MT finish.
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Hopefully all the talk of AS and AC will give way to the racing. Not sure what all the fuss was about as AC had already stopped for AC during the tour and how many times do they have to. Next we'll have F1 drivers pulling over for a guy with a flat.
If you take part in a sport where you can be at the mercy of a mechanical object you have to take the knocks.
This tour is excellent and it's a shame it finishes Sunday.
They don't stop the clock on a TT if you have a problem.
AC can settle all of this by winning with a 2+ minute cushion.
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Sorry. Maybe SPOILER should be put in the thread title.
no worries....i stopped after the discussion about yesterday's sprint...added my 2 cents....and then watched today's stage. Man...that last hill...most of them looked to be in danger of falling over. :problem:
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Agreed that show is awful. PL quote of the day " There is radar on the road and these boys are going to blow the lightbulbs for sure"
Nice finish by Vino
nice ride ryder!! ... you can crack the top 10!!
ya ... i'm torn on this ... he can't give time to menchov ... at least shleck is still only 8 seconds back ... and basically nothing changes in terms of things are gonna be decided on the tourmalet ... and the time trial ...
want to hear what contador has to say ... pretty sure menchov could care less ...
I was following the live race feeds online as it was happening. Looks like AC really pick up time on the descent. Looked like they were only separated by about 10secs going over the top. Still strange tactics by AC. Glad I am not the one messing with karma.
the time gaps are often inaccurate based on the feeds ... in watching the broadcast ... it looked like to me it was somewhere around 23 seconds ... but i'm just speculating ...
in reviewing this and reading their comments ... these things stick out:
1. AC DEFINITELY knew that andy had a mechanical problem ... i don't believe him when he only found out after.
2. AC did wait for Andy when he crashed earlier in the tour
3. Andy took advantage of crashes, flats and such on the cobblestones to gain time on many GC guys
4. This is bike racing and his chain falling off is partly his fault for misgearing - should someone wait for you if you kind of mess up?
all in all ... i think AC should have waited but i don't think the tour will be decided by this incident ...
The Tourmalet is going to be fun to watch. Yes it is a tough question to answer. They don't stop the clock on a time trial if you flat or loose your chain and liek you said on the cobbles no one waits. AC essentially grabbed seconds that he won't really need and in the process makes himself look like a jerk. He is a much better TT'er than AS.
Agreed
tomorrow will be devastation!
i'm not so certain AC didn't need these seconds on second thought ... if he thinks his form is not as good as Andy's - he may be scared of losing a minute or so on the tourmalet climbs tomorrow and thursday ... if Andy gets 90 seconds on AC - he just might be able to ride within that on the TT ... maybe AC didn't want to take that chance ...
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Contador's explanation with English subtitles. The translation is not so good. But I think this helps Bertie's cause. Your thoughts?
Contador apologizes to Schleck
MADRID -- Spanish cyclist Alberto Contador has apologized for the way he took over the lead in the Tour de France from rival Andy Schleck.
During Monday's stage, Schleck's chain came off and Contador kept riding, rather than waiting in accordance with race etiquette.
In a video posted on YouTube, Contador said: "Maybe I made a mistake. I'm sorry. I don't like things like what happened today, I'm not like that and I hope the relationship that I have with Andy can go back to being as good as it was before this happened."
Contador initially insisted he hadn't seen that Schleck had a problem.
The tour continues Tuesday with the 16th stage.
Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press
can I get a grain of salt with that? :think:
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I love "Maybe I made a mistake" What a shitty way to lose yellow though.
the long descent finish today is kinda ruining the stage ... nothing is gonna happen ... we'll see if lance can win a stage ...
Much better when they have the Mt. top finishes.
yeah ... how can you have a stage with two cat 1 and two HC climbs and have no change in the top of the GC standing? ... ridiculous ...
If you take part in a sport where you can be at the mercy of a mechanical object you have to take the knocks.
This tour is excellent and it's a shame it finishes Sunday.
@andy_schleck and me have been talking in the race about yesterday and our relationship will not change.We are good friends.
LA would absolutley be in a better place and poised for the podium if not for the crashes and the flat tire during the earlier stages. He came into TDF in good form this year after placing 2nd in the GC for Tour de Suisse. I don't think he anticipated these circumstances when he announced 2010 would be his last TDF. I would be surprised if he retracts and is back next year. I see the podium being AC, AS but not sure who to call as a possible 3rd. Though I would love to see Levi up there. He's 7 in GC right now.
Good to see some cycling fans here. Maybe we'll see a PJ cycling jersey in the Goods section someday. :thumbup:
LA would absolutley be in a better place and poised for the podium if not for the crashes and the flat tire during the earlier stages. He came into TDF in good form this year after placing 2nd in the GC for Tour de Suisse. I don't think he anticipated these circumstances when he announced 2010 would be his last TDF. I would be surprised if he retracts and is back next year. I see the podium being AC, AS but not sure who to call as a possible 3rd. Though I would love to see Levi up there. He's 7 in GC right now.
Good to see some cycling fans here. Maybe we'll see a PJ cycling jersey in the Goods section someday. :thumbup:[/quote]
I meant to say I "wouldn't" be surprised if LA retracts and is back next year.
I meant to say I "wouldn't" be surprised if LA retracts and is back next year.[/quote]
I believe he is racing next year just not at the TDF. The one crash where he slide on is back at 40MPH I think really took a lot out of him. Really tough for him to compete with the younger riders at this point in his career. Would love to see him ride some of the one day spring classics (Paris Roubaix) Nice to see him on the break yesterday. When was the last time we saw that. Terrible stage b/c the finish was all downhill. With those MT's should have been a MT finish.
Yes a PJ Jersey that says I'm still alive as I haul my ass up the big hills here in central mass.
They don't stop the clock on a TT if you have a problem.
AC can settle all of this by winning with a 2+ minute cushion.
Always hate it when the tour ends