U.S. to aid $400 million to Palastine..

LikeAnOcean

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/09/u- ... go/?hpt=T2


So is this a slap in the face to Isreal?

BinauralJam

well that 3 billion we give them every year could buy them a really cold bag of peas to hold to there face, so it doesn't bruise.

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

Not a slap to Israel.

Israel gives millions in aid to Palestinians every year.

LikeAnOcean

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

Not a slap to Israel.

Israel gives millions in aid to Palestinians every year.

Wouldn't the current embargo be counterproductive to that aid they are giving them?

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

The embargo is only on weapons, and some building material like concrete (b/c it can be used in bombs, etc.)

All food, medical aid, etc is let thru.

Common misconception is that there are "1.5 million Palestinians starving". I hear it all the time here, but its just not true. I don't even want to defend that against the usual suspects on this site- b/c they dont want to hear it. But it is true.

Just research it. If anyone can find evidence of 1.5 million starving Palestinians, PLEASE POST IT.

and I'll shut up. (Now's ur chance everybody)

LikeAnOcean

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

The embargo is only on weapons, and some building material like concrete (b/c it can be used in bombs, etc.)

All food, medical aid, etc is let thru.

Common misconception is that there are "1.5 million Palestinians starving". I hear it all the time hear, but its just not true. I don't even want to defend that against the usual suspects on this site- b/c they dojnt want to hear it. But it is true.

Just research it. If anyone can find evidence of 1.5 million starving Palestinians, PLEASE POST IT.

and I'll shut up. (Now's ur chance everybody)

OK, pre-constructed weapons, I understand, but concrete?

Really? Concrete? You need concrete to build structures, do you not? You can't just stop basic things going into a country because they can potentially be used for a weapon. You can make a weapon pretty much out of anything.. Might as well stop food from going into the country because that is used to make weapons by feeding the people who make weapons.

polaris_x

LikeAnOcean wrote:

OK, weapons, I understand, but concrete?

Really? Concrete? You need concrete to build structures, do you not? You can't just stop basic things going into a country because they can potentially be used for a weapon. You can make a weapon pretty much out of anything.. Might as well stop food from going into the country because that is used to make weapons by feeding the people who make weapons.

dude ... the guy doesn't know what he is talking about ... he actually posted that ALL food and medical supplies are let thru ...

here is a partial list

http://gisha.org/UserFiles/File/HiddenM ... 060510.pdf

the list can change daily and israel won't make public what is and isn't allowed into gaza ...

Cosmo

LikeAnOcean wrote:

OK, pre-constructed weapons, I understand, but concrete?

Really? Concrete? You need concrete to build structures, do you not? You can't just stop basic things going into a country because they can potentially be used for a weapon. You can make a weapon pretty much out of anything.. Might as well stop food from going into the country because that is used to make weapons by feeding the people who make weapons.

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Concrete Bombs (left is actually bomb, right are concrete bombs):

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Typically used for practice runs. These, for example, would have to be dropped from Palestinian Me-110s.
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Addendum: The U.S. used concrete bombs with laser guidence systems in Iraq on specific targets. The 1,000 lb bombs use the kenetic energy to flatten the structure, but since there is no explosives, the collateral damage is held to a minimum. So, yeah... if you are sitting on your couch and a 1,000 chunk of concrete that was launched from an F-16's attack angle lands on your lap... it's gonna do some damage.

Mahaloev

To me it's more like a 'personal' slap in the face to the people of the United States. How about all of the homeless & starving young American youth that go unoticed everyday here? There's always a hidden agenda when this country 'provides' aid to other countries. Money+Weapons=Power, I suppose...Home of the brave & land of the free. It really all makes me wanna cry when I think about what the future holds for my children. I'm guessing this $400 million donation could be one of the reasons why my childrens school was cut soooo much money from it's budget & now there are absolutely no extra-curricular programs being offered to the children. I may be waaay off topic here but shit like this makes me sick. What happened to this countries 'patriotism'?

LikeAnOcean

Mahaloev2324 wrote:

To me it's more like a 'personal' slap in the face to the people of the United States. How about all of the homeless & starving young American youth that go unoticed everyday here? There's always a hidden agenda when this country 'provides' aid to other countries. Money+Weapons=Power, I suppose...Home of the brave & land of the free. It really all makes me wanna cry when I think about what the future holds for my children. I'm guessing this $400 million donation could be one of the reasons why my childrens school was cut soooo much money from it's budget & now there are absolutely no extra-curricular programs being offered to the children. I may be waaay off topic here but shit like this makes me sick. What happened to this countries 'patriotism'?

Homeless people are mentally ill for the most part. Some have great misfortunes, I mean, I've had friends who found themselves homeless, but not for long. Most homeless you could give a hundred thousand dollars to and they wouldn't know what to do with it. They gave a guy 100k once and he spent it in a week and was homeless again. First thing the guy did was buy a brand new car for the person he brought his cans to.

400 million wouldn't go very far here anyways. What's that, a dollar for every person?

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

MAHALEOV2324:

well said. $400 million for people to burn American flags with, and we have %10 unemployment and record debt. Not to mention homeless and starving right here.

LikeAnOcean

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

MAHALEOV2324:

well said. $400 million for people to burn American flags with, and we have %10 unemployment and record debt. Not to mention homeless and starving right here.

400 million is like a dollar for every American.. Not going to do jack for us.

And the starving here can motivate themselves to get off their asses and do something about it. Last I checked America was the land of opportunity.

A homeless American has every opportunity to make better for themselves, but most don't because they are mentally ill. They don't want money. They want booze.

and they're burning those American flags because we are giving billions to Isreal. Fuck Isreal. What are they doing for us?

Your Mom Made Me Pancakes

As this thread takes a predictable turn down the "Fuck Israel" spiral...

I s r a e l. 'A' before 'E'.

At which point did you say "Fuck Skool"?

LikeAnOcean

Your Mom Is Sleeping Over wrote:

As this thread takes a predictable turn down the "Fuck Israel" spiral...

I s r a e l. 'A' before 'E'.

At which point did you say "Fuck Skool"?

My spelling sucks, sorry, but that's besides the point. What is IsrAel doing for us with the 3 billion we give them? Like you said, shouldn't we be worried about helping people here?

I'm just trying to understand this. I don't like taking sides with anyone over there.


If you want to get technical with spelling, "thru" is not a word, just so you know. There's a quite a few gramical errors in your posts, but I won't hold them against you.

puremagic

Gaza get rice and Israel gets weapons.


Israel asked U.S. to increase weapons supply, Haaretz learns

Air force seeking more JDAM bombs, and larger emergency stores held by American army.
By Amos Harel

Israel recently approached the United States with new requests for security-related purchases, Haaretz has learned. The requests included Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM ) bombs for the Israel Air Force, as well as a significant expansion of the emergency stores held by the U.S. army in Israel.

The Israeli requests were brought up during recent visits to Washington by Defense Minister Ehud Barak and director-general of the Defense Ministry, Udi Shani, and in conversations with senior administration and Congress officials.

The priority list reflects the security threats the defense establishment believes Israel will face in the next few years, i.e. the eventuality of a prolonged war, which would necessitate using the IAF widely to attack many targets, along with ensuring enough spare parts and supplies.

Israel also requested JDAM bombs, seeking to significantly increase the number of such munitions already in its arsenal. The JDAM bombs have been used increasingly in recent operations, including in the Second Lebanon War in 2006 and Operation Cast Lead in 2008.

Israel is also seeking to increase the amount of gear held by the American army in their emergency stores in Israel by 50% - from $800 million to $1.2 billion. The Obama administration placed the stores in Israel in December, as part of a number of steps to improve U.S. assistance to Israeli security. To date, $600 million worth of American emergency equipment has been placed in Israel.

The American stores hold rockets, bombs, aircraft ammunition and armored vehicles, along with other weapons. The gear fully matches equipment already used by the Israel Defense Forces and is cataloged upon arrival to ensure quick and easy access at a time of need, pending permission from the United States. The American move has a dual purpose: bringing military equipment closer to areas in which Americans might need to fight, and assisting the U.S. ally should the need arise.

rebornFixer

LikeAnOcean wrote:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/09/u-s-to-give-400-million-in-aid-to-help-loosen-gaza-embargo/?hpt=T2


So is this a slap in the face to Isreal?

Maybe I am just in a good mood today, but I'd construe this as progress, rather than something negative.

rebornFixer

puremagic wrote:

Gaza get rice and Israel gets weapons.

Gaza needs food ... And Iran has the weaponry situation covered in any case.

puremagic

rebornFixer wrote:

puremagic wrote:

Gaza get rice and Israel gets weapons.

Gaza needs food ... And Iran has the weaponry situation covered in any case.

Of course Gaza needs food and we know the reason why.

Israel is the one requesting the U.S. to stockpile additional bombs for Israel's use, not Iran. If you put the new Clinton sanctions into play and Turkey's response to the killings and Egypt opening its border with Gaza for aid transport, hell lets throw in North Korea's supposedly attack on South Korea's ship. Now you have a case for Israel to get more bombs to go after Iran.

Why can't Israel get its weapons from some one else, South Africa supplied them with nuclear materials for their plants and weapons, can't they ask one of their other Western allies to get blood on their hands. Why do they always have to come to the U.S. for their killing machines, especially, when they make and sell their own.

We have our own domestic problems to worry about, do we really need to get drawn into Israel sh-t? We're supposed to be bringing our troops out of Iraq soon, not getting them sent to Iran.

Jason P

Our troops will not be leaving for some time. Go look at the map and see what lies in between Iraq and Afghanistan.

Cosmo

Why can't...
Israel (and the international Community, including the U.S.) turn jusisdiction of Gaza back to Egypt? This way, Egypt will be held responsible and fully accountable for Gaza, including any attacks on Israel that are launched from Gaza.
And is there a problem with the establishment of a Paletinian state... within the current borders of Arab states? I mean, can Syria or Jordan... Egypt or Iraq set up a territory for a Palestinian state... with full national soverignty after 2 decades of non-violent actions against Israel?
Or... how set is Israel with their current location/neighbors? How about we work out a three-way deal with Mexico? Mexico sells off Baja California and that becomes the new israel. All of the Mexicans living in Baja California are automatically U.S. Citizens (unless they wish to maintain their Mexican citizenship and move to mainland Mexico... or convert to Judaism). Baja could use new management... it is beatuiful... amazing coastlands and beaches... and... it's a fucking desert, just like the Middle East.
This way... Israel has no more rocket attacks and exploding city busses... Baja California is under new management... no more illegal immigrants crossing the San Diego border, Mexico gets a ton of cash (to hopefully, build up a middle class) and the Arabs can carve up the Middle East any way they wish and can revert to the tribal conflicts that have been going between them for the past 1400 years and have no one to blame, but themselves.

puremagic

Jason P wrote:

Our troops will not be leaving for some time. Go look at the map and see what lies in between Iraq and Afghanistan.

I don't need a map to know that Israel doesn't lay between these two countries, so why draw America into Israel's mess!!! i guess its now up to the Hillary to make sure Iran gets drawn into a war. At least she has put us one step closer to fulfilling that goal.