I stand corrected. Well found. I look at that site all the time & never saw that page before (probably because it's in Italian!).
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Watch posting links- Kat was editing them out yesterday
I really don't get this since several media outlets seem to have the okay to post it (I'm only assuming this since it has only been pulled here). Can't this board just be proactive rather than reactive for once?
Watch posting links- Kat was editing them out yesterday
I really don't get this since several media outlets seem to have the okay to post it (I'm only assuming this since it has only been pulled here). Can't this board just be proactive rather than reactive for once?
Well, they did not put it out, it leaked. So I think it's fair to respect the house rules. Although it seems they've given up now, there's been a couple of links up since last night.
"He who hears music, feels his solitude peopled at once" R. Browning
As for Eddie playing the solo...Well...I've never really heard him do that before.
So I really don't have much reference as to the faculty of his guitar soloing. But then again...When you have someone like Mike in Pearl Jam...I guess it's obvious for fans to not have many opportunities of watching Eddie Vedder rip out a blistering guitar solo.
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For Real??
The entire Eddie solo tour
Just Breath
The End
Betterman
Wishlist
Soon Forget
Speed of sound
on and on....
What we mean by solo is taking a solo within the song. And there are very few examples of this. Songs like Just Breathe, The End, etc are examples of Ed playing without accompaniment on guitar, but he doesn't play a solo during the course of the song. Much less a fairly long solo played pretty fast and up and down a scale. It hasn't been the style at all that we've seen from him. Then again, he obviously had to take the time to sit down and learn how to play the mandolin pretty decently in order to write a song like Rise, so I don't think it's unreasonable to think he could have learned a couple scales and let fly on this recording. It's not like the solo is incredibly complex or technical, like the guy from Nickel Creek can do, for example. It's just a little scale played on the first 6 frets.
...Then again, maybe it is Mike.
Watch posting links- Kat was editing them out yesterday
I really don't get this since several media outlets seem to have the okay to post it (I'm only assuming this since it has only been pulled here). Can't this board just be proactive rather than reactive for once?
Well, they did not put it out, it leaked. So I think it's fair to respect the house rules. Although it seems they've given up now, there's been a couple of links up since last night.
I'm actually surprised the website or sites allowing access to the song still have it up. I would have expected some sort of cease and desist action by now.
Ok so after being on here for proabably 60 days in a row, I decide to slack off and not check it for 2 and I miss this! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat. I'm going to jump off a bridge now, unless someone can talk me down. I need to hear this one asap.
he obviously had to take the time to sit down and learn how to play the mandolin pretty decently in order to write a song like Rise,
I disagree. Chords transfer from one instrument to the next pretty easy, and it's generally the way "odd" instruments are used by rock and rollers.
A mandolin has an entirely different tuning than a guitar, and the chord fingerings are pretty different. Now, while already knowing how to play one stringed instrument certainly makes it much easier to learn another, it is still different and takes practice to get used to. I'm not saying that Ed is a virtuoso, or even an above average mandolin player. But I think that in order to compose a song like Rise, or to play the solo on Better Days, as I have theorized, you have to spend a little time and learn the instrument a bit. I don't think Ed would have completely half assed it.
Watch posting links- Kat was editing them out yesterday
I really don't get this since several media outlets seem to have the okay to post it (I'm only assuming this since it has only been pulled here). Can't this board just be proactive rather than reactive for once?
i got a one day ban for posting the title of a freaking song in this thread :roll:
he obviously had to take the time to sit down and learn how to play the mandolin pretty decently in order to write a song like Rise,
I disagree. Chords transfer from one instrument to the next pretty easy, and it's generally the way "odd" instruments are used by rock and rollers.
A mandolin has an entirely different tuning than a guitar, and the chord fingerings are pretty different. Now, while already knowing how to play one stringed instrument certainly makes it much easier to learn another, it is still different and takes practice to get used to. I'm not saying that Ed is a virtuoso, or even an above average mandolin player. But I think that in order to compose a song like Rise, or to play the solo on Better Days, as I have theorized, you have to spend a little time and learn the instrument a bit. I don't think Ed would have completely half assed it.
I think the different tuning would be the only hurdle he'd have to get around and as good as he is on guitar I don't think it would give him any trouble.
I wasn't trying to comment on how good Ed is at mandolin. I just think a writer like Ed can maximize his limited knowledge on an instrument with simple beginner stuff.
As for Eddie playing the solo...Well...I've never really heard him do that before.
So I really don't have much reference as to the faculty of his guitar soloing. But then again...When you have someone like Mike in Pearl Jam...I guess it's obvious for fans to not have many opportunities of watching Eddie Vedder rip out a blistering guitar solo.
.
For Real??
The entire Eddie solo tour
Just Breath
The End
Betterman
Wishlist
Soon Forget
Speed of sound
on and on....
I meant a "guitar solo"
"Wishlist" is one of the only examples of Pearl Jam song where Eddie takes the solo
Fair enough. You're right. He probably can maximize any bit that he does know. But Rise is a little beyond just strumming chords. He kind of messes around with them a bit and adds some embellishments to them. Nothing super fancy, but you don't get that out of reading a chord book. And if he is soloing on Better Days, then he would have played around with scales too. It's a little more than plain beginner stuff. Bugs, on the other hand, is certainly the work of a beginner.
The mandolin solo on "Better Days" isn't exactly basic stuff.
Okay...the fingers aren't exactly a blaze or anything...But none the less played by a capable hand.
It's not a strech to think of someone like Eddie composing a song like "Rise" with a basic fundemental understanding of the mandolin...
However, I doubt that you can just sit down and casually tinker with a mandolin for a few hours and walk away composing a solo of this degree and nuance.
Either Eddie is a much better Mandolin player than we've given him credit for...or he had someone else come in and play the solo.
Watch posting links- Kat was editing them out yesterday
I really don't get this since several media outlets seem to have the okay to post it (I'm only assuming this since it has only been pulled here). Can't this board just be proactive rather than reactive for once?
No one has permission per say. They just tried to protect the band and it's interested parties as well as the content the best they could here. One thing I know about TenC and it's management is that they are not bullies at all and let a lot of shit slide and are very friendly when contacting folks about content they want to have removed from a site etc. In situations like this they are very personal instead of most band's representations having agencies send Cease & Desist letters and hitting up isps and web hosts.
They treat people with respect and give them an opportunity to comply most of the time. It's good business sense and seems in line with the band's sentiments. Just my 2 cents.
Whether it is Ed, Mike or Stone on Mandolin, I think they are all multi-talented. It is Mike's job to do solos as it is Matt's job to do drums. But I would bet that most everybody has the capacity to do that solo. Look at all of Ed's guitar playing both solo and with the band. Do you think he can do all he does and can't do the solo on better days? Of course he can. Stone drums. Stone and Jeff switches guitar and bass in Smile. Matt plays guitar. Does anybody honestly doubt that Mike, Stone or Ed... or Matt or even Jeff couldn't do that solo. You're all used to seeing what they do based on their traditional roles. I think they all have the talent. Other examples, John Paul Jones does a bunch of mandolin even though he's Zeppelin's bassist/keys. Paul Rodgers did the solo on the song radioactive for the Firm despite Jimmy Page being in that band. Plant did the guitar intro on Another Tribe on the Mighty Rearranger album. There is no lack of talent in PJ. It could have been anyone. Don't be surprized.
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Whether it is Ed, Mike or Stone on Mandolin, I think they are all multi-talented. It is Mike's job to do solos as it is Matt's job to do drums. But I would bet that most everybody has the capacity to do that solo. Look at all of Ed's guitar playing both solo and with the band. Do you think he can do all he does and can't do the solo on better days? Of course he can. Stone drums. Stone and Jeff switches guitar and bass in Smile. Matt plays guitar. Does anybody honestly doubt that Mike, Stone or Ed... or Matt or even Jeff couldn't do that solo. You're all used to seeing what they do based on their traditional roles. I think they all have the talent. Other examples, John Paul Jones does a bunch of mandolin even though he's Zeppelin's bassist/keys. Paul Rodgers did the solo on the song radioactive for the Firm despite Jimmy Page being in that band. Plant did the guitar intro on Another Tribe on the Mighty Rearranger album. There is no lack of talent in PJ. It could have been anyone. Don't be surprized.
I remember being blown away when I saw Eddie take the lead during "Society" on his solo tour.
He played it note perfect...and I remember turning to my Wife afterwards and saying "Not Bad"
She then turned around and shouted out "Go Eddie"!!
It wasn't that I ever doubted for a second that he could pull it off...It was just someting that I wasn't used to, or expected to see from him...I guess when you're a fan of a band or musician for this long, it's understandable to be floored by something so left of centre. I mean...Eddie's definately got a certain style to his playing and it doesn't often include playing guitar solos.
The "Better Days" solo is really good...and definately not something I would have expected.
I guess more than anything... it's just a simple case of being pleasantly surprised and floored by the talent within this band.
20 years into their career that's not a bad thing at all.
Thanks, that is an awesome link, can't believe there were so many songs from the Riot Act sessions, I always thought Binaural was their most creative time because there seemed to be so many songs floating around. I don't think I could handle it if they released all these songs in some form.
I've been listening to this again, and I don't care if they say this song is from the Riot Act cutting room floor. I saw the recording history, and I know that it was listed there during the RA session. However, the sound, the lyrics and style are definitely ITW/BS era, and given the lack of accompanying instruments I'd have to put this with ITW. That is just my opinion, but I would bet some serious coin that this was recorded in the last 3 years. My theory is that it was resurrected for ITW, but maybe the lyrics didn't really fit the movie, so they dropped it.
seeing all the hate on this song...i guess i get it. but i like it.
but to be perfectly honest, i will go ahead and admit that eddie could sing the phone book to me with the boys playing mary had a little lamb in the background, and i would probably think it was brilliant. i admit that i drink the kool-aid. :ugeek:
I've been listening to this again, and I don't care if they say this song is from the Riot Act cutting room floor. I saw the recording history, and I know that it was listed there during the RA session. However, the sound, the lyrics and style are definitely ITW/BS era, and given the lack of accompanying instruments I'd have to put this with ITW. That is just my opinion, but I would bet some serious coin that this was recorded in the last 3 years. My theory is that it was resurrected for ITW, but maybe the lyrics didn't really fit the movie, so they dropped it.
I've been listening to this song on repeat for pretty much the last 24 hours, and it smacks Riot Act to me. The vocals in it remind me alot of Arc.
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I've been listening to this again, and I don't care if they say this song is from the Riot Act cutting room floor. I saw the recording history, and I know that it was listed there during the RA session. However, the sound, the lyrics and style are definitely ITW/BS era, and given the lack of accompanying instruments I'd have to put this with ITW. That is just my opinion, but I would bet some serious coin that this was recorded in the last 3 years. My theory is that it was resurrected for ITW, but maybe the lyrics didn't really fit the movie, so they dropped it.
I've been listening to this song on repeat for pretty much the last 24 hours, and it smacks Riot Act to me. The vocals in it remind me alot of Arc.
The lyrics are waaaay too positive and optimistic for Riot Act era material. By far.
Watch posting links- Kat was editing them out yesterday
I really don't get this since several media outlets seem to have the okay to post it (I'm only assuming this since it has only been pulled here). Can't this board just be proactive rather than reactive for once?
i got a one day ban for posting the title of a freaking song in this thread :roll:
i'm sorry but that is ridiculous...
I don't mean to be rude but you did more than just mention the name of the song. I saw you post the link to this song twice yesterday so that's probably why you were banned. Both posts were in this thread after Kat had asked that we don't post it and both were deleted.
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Considering Ed composed all of those Uke tracks during the RA period (Broken Hearted, Satellite, Goodbye, etc) I don't think it is too far of a stretch to think this was from that era.
Maybe this is a track from that Uke album he's supposedly had done for some time. Granted, this isn't just a Uke but it's possible.
Vocals really sound ITW/BS though. I'm almost certain they are rerecorded.
“I know this song so well, I can smoke a cigarette, have a drink, brush my teeth, take a shit, and mow the lawn while singing it. But I'll only be doing a couple of those things during this version.”
first listen (like most songs) got the "meh" ... although i did like the ending ...
second listen ... already onto the liking it ... not getting all they lyrics just yet but if someone was playing this song at a campfire - i would say it's pretty awesome ... sometimes we hold this band to much higher standards ... sometimes songs are simple and sweet ... that's how i hear this ...
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96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
I really don't get this since several media outlets seem to have the okay to post it (I'm only assuming this since it has only been pulled here). Can't this board just be proactive rather than reactive for once?
Well, they did not put it out, it leaked. So I think it's fair to respect the house rules. Although it seems they've given up now, there's been a couple of links up since last night.
What we mean by solo is taking a solo within the song. And there are very few examples of this. Songs like Just Breathe, The End, etc are examples of Ed playing without accompaniment on guitar, but he doesn't play a solo during the course of the song. Much less a fairly long solo played pretty fast and up and down a scale. It hasn't been the style at all that we've seen from him. Then again, he obviously had to take the time to sit down and learn how to play the mandolin pretty decently in order to write a song like Rise, so I don't think it's unreasonable to think he could have learned a couple scales and let fly on this recording. It's not like the solo is incredibly complex or technical, like the guy from Nickel Creek can do, for example. It's just a little scale played on the first 6 frets.
...Then again, maybe it is Mike.
I disagree. Chords transfer from one instrument to the next pretty easy, and it's generally the way "odd" instruments are used by rock and rollers.
I'm actually surprised the website or sites allowing access to the song still have it up. I would have expected some sort of cease and desist action by now.
A mandolin has an entirely different tuning than a guitar, and the chord fingerings are pretty different. Now, while already knowing how to play one stringed instrument certainly makes it much easier to learn another, it is still different and takes practice to get used to. I'm not saying that Ed is a virtuoso, or even an above average mandolin player. But I think that in order to compose a song like Rise, or to play the solo on Better Days, as I have theorized, you have to spend a little time and learn the instrument a bit. I don't think Ed would have completely half assed it.
i'm sorry but that is ridiculous...
I think the different tuning would be the only hurdle he'd have to get around and as good as he is on guitar I don't think it would give him any trouble.
I wasn't trying to comment on how good Ed is at mandolin. I just think a writer like Ed can maximize his limited knowledge on an instrument with simple beginner stuff.
I meant a "guitar solo"
"Wishlist" is one of the only examples of Pearl Jam song where Eddie takes the solo
there is very little to dislike in my opinion.
Id be happy to hear that on the next ep/record that is for sure
sounds like a demo though
Okay...the fingers aren't exactly a blaze or anything...But none the less played by a capable hand.
It's not a strech to think of someone like Eddie composing a song like "Rise" with a basic fundemental understanding of the mandolin...
However, I doubt that you can just sit down and casually tinker with a mandolin for a few hours and walk away composing a solo of this degree and nuance.
Either Eddie is a much better Mandolin player than we've given him credit for...or he had someone else come in and play the solo.
No one has permission per say. They just tried to protect the band and it's interested parties as well as the content the best they could here. One thing I know about TenC and it's management is that they are not bullies at all and let a lot of shit slide and are very friendly when contacting folks about content they want to have removed from a site etc. In situations like this they are very personal instead of most band's representations having agencies send Cease & Desist letters and hitting up isps and web hosts.
They treat people with respect and give them an opportunity to comply most of the time. It's good business sense and seems in line with the band's sentiments. Just my 2 cents.
This song will help save the world.. The full truth about this song will come out on December 22, 2012... patience.
I remember being blown away when I saw Eddie take the lead during "Society" on his solo tour.
He played it note perfect...and I remember turning to my Wife afterwards and saying "Not Bad"
She then turned around and shouted out "Go Eddie"!!
It wasn't that I ever doubted for a second that he could pull it off...It was just someting that I wasn't used to, or expected to see from him...I guess when you're a fan of a band or musician for this long, it's understandable to be floored by something so left of centre. I mean...Eddie's definately got a certain style to his playing and it doesn't often include playing guitar solos.
The "Better Days" solo is really good...and definately not something I would have expected.
I guess more than anything... it's just a simple case of being pleasantly surprised and floored by the talent within this band.
20 years into their career that's not a bad thing at all.
And this is your third post in almost five years?
Interesting to say the least.
Thanks, that is an awesome link, can't believe there were so many songs from the Riot Act sessions, I always thought Binaural was their most creative time because there seemed to be so many songs floating around. I don't think I could handle it if they released all these songs in some form.
but to be perfectly honest, i will go ahead and admit that eddie could sing the phone book to me with the boys playing mary had a little lamb in the background, and i would probably think it was brilliant.
I've been listening to this song on repeat for pretty much the last 24 hours, and it smacks Riot Act to me. The vocals in it remind me alot of Arc.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
The lyrics are waaaay too positive and optimistic for Riot Act era material. By far.
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I don't mean to be rude but you did more than just mention the name of the song. I saw you post the link to this song twice yesterday so that's probably why you were banned. Both posts were in this thread after Kat had asked that we don't post it and both were deleted.
Maybe this is a track from that Uke album he's supposedly had done for some time. Granted, this isn't just a Uke but it's possible.
Vocals really sound ITW/BS though. I'm almost certain they are rerecorded.
Seriously, I am a wuss and I love this song.
second listen ... already onto the liking it ... not getting all they lyrics just yet but if someone was playing this song at a campfire - i would say it's pretty awesome ... sometimes we hold this band to much higher standards ... sometimes songs are simple and sweet ... that's how i hear this ...