Hippies - Crying Over Dead Trees

Hugh Freaking Dillon

HeidiJam wrote:

"I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer..."

Who ever said were not impacting the planet???. But to say we are snapping stands on the spider web and saying that they can't be repaired is so stupid. You have no idea of how the World works, no one knows. It is constantly going through cycles. Do you know much poultion is realeased when a volcano erupts??? Alot more than we produce. There are alot of things that humans need to do better, but to be as arrogant as to say that humans are destroying the plant is ridiculous. And to value a tree more than a human life tells me alot about you as a person. Like I said if humans are so bad for the planet why not make it one less human on the planet and off your self.

as we've seen over the last few years, The Earth is fighting back, and She's slowly winning. Some day, maybe not soon, but some day we'll all be gone by our own hand, and She'll thrive once again. We treat this place as if we built it and it's ours. We are merely guests.

You are suggesting someone commit suicide over a discussion on a message board? WTF??? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?

eyedclaar

Jason P wrote:

FYI - Mt. St. Helens is a good case study for how the earth naturally heals itself.

Also, remember that trees and plants are all in a race for survival and dominance. Each species has tricks to gain advantage over their rivals. Doug Firs patiently take over a forest while species like Aspen will take advantage of a forest fire.

Lastly, with good forest management, a forest can become much stronger over time. I can't speak for the clear-cuts in the west, but a forest that is selectively cut will be healthier in ten years due to extra light that can penetrate the forest floor.

Who is talking about volcanoes? Our destruction is far too fast for natural cycles to keep pace and filter the problems. Here is the very tip of the iceberg. Don't look below the surface, or you might be horrified. When the world's water is poison, what are you and Heidi going to drink?

1.40% of America’s rivers and 46% of America’s lakes are too polluted for fishing, swimming, or aquatic life.
2.The Mississippi River – which drains the lands of nearly 40% of the continental United Sates – carries an estimated 1.5 million metric tons of nitrogen pollution into the Gulf of Mexico each year. The resulting dead zone in the Gulf each summer is about the size of Massachusetts.
3.1.2 trillion gallons of untreated sewage, storm water, and industrial waste are discharged into US waters annually.
4.Polluted drinking waters are a problem for about half of the world’s population. Each year there are about 250 million cases of water-based diseases, resulting in roughly 5 to 10 million deaths.
5.Vehicle exhaust contributes roughly 60% of all carbon monoxide emissions nationwide, and up to 95% in cities.
6.Large hog farms emit hydrogen sulfide, a gas that most often causes flu-like symptoms in humans, but at high concentrations can lead to brain damage.
7.Each year, U.S. factories spew 3 million tons of toxic chemicals into the air, land, and water.
8.In the U.S. 41% of all insecticides are used on corn. Of these, 80% are used to treat a pest that could be controlled simply by rotating a different crop for just one year.
9.Every year, one American produces over 3,285 pounds of hazardous waste.
10.Over 80% of items in landfills can be recycled, but they’re not.
11.Americans generate 30 billion foam cups, 220 million tires, and 1.8 billion disposable diapers every year.

chadwick

volcano explosions are a natural event.
zero can be compared to a human beings disregard for this planet in comparison with a natural disaster.

btw, why the fuck should eyed off himself because he is passionate about the earth?

also, cincybearcat...
why do ppl say thing they do not mean???

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Breakerfall2010

That was incredibly creepy. Just sayin.

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I heard a presentation today that included a quote that I thought was relevant to this discussion. It is from a Native American educational organization, but hopefully everyone can understand the relevance to this topic and many other conversations we have here:

Edbesendowen is a Potawatomi word that means “humility.” The spirit of this scholarship is the recognition of the importance of being humble and knowing that we are no more than the next. Our presence on Mother Earth is a gift. We are not more than the trees or the oceans. We are equal to all things that we share our planet with. We are not more than those who struggle or have no home.

chadwick

scb wrote:

I heard a presentation today that included a quote that I thought was relevant to this discussion. It is from a Native American educational organization, but hopefully everyone can understand the relevance to this topic and many other conversations we have here:

Edbesendowen is a Potawatomi word that means “humility.” The spirit of this scholarship is the recognition of the importance of being humble and knowing that we are no more than the next. Our presence on Mother Earth is a gift. We are not more than the trees or the oceans. We are equal to all things that we share our planet with. We are not more than those who struggle or have no home.

thank you.

callen

HeidiJam wrote:

"I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer..."

Who ever said were not impacting the planet???. But to say we are snapping stands on the spider web and saying that they can't be repaired is so stupid. You have no idea of how the World works, no one knows. It is constantly going through cycles. Do you know much poultion is realeased when a volcano erupts??? Alot more than we produce. There are alot of things that humans need to do better, but to be as arrogant as to say that humans are destroying the plant is ridiculous. And to value a tree more than a human life tells me alot about you as a person. Like I said if humans are so bad for the planet why not make it one less human on the planet and off your self.

Humans are the plaque of this planet but we are in the end just part of evolution. With that said I always cheer for the bull in a rodeo, the circus elephant at its wits end and take a nice red wood over logger any day.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

callen wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

"I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer..."

Who ever said were not impacting the planet???. But to say we are snapping stands on the spider web and saying that they can't be repaired is so stupid. You have no idea of how the World works, no one knows. It is constantly going through cycles. Do you know much poultion is realeased when a volcano erupts??? Alot more than we produce. There are alot of things that humans need to do better, but to be as arrogant as to say that humans are destroying the plant is ridiculous. And to value a tree more than a human life tells me alot about you as a person. Like I said if humans are so bad for the planet why not make it one less human on the planet and off your self.

Humans are the plaque of this planet but we are in the end just part of evolution. With that said I always cheer for the bull in a rodeo, the circus elephant at its wits end and take a nice red wood over logger any day.

I also find myself cheering for the elephant that has had enough. He has every right to go off on those that "train" him!

dunkman

polaris_x wrote:

dunkman wrote:

it's pathetic because it is. It's pathetic to me just as it was pathetic to me when i watched morons throw flowers onto Princess Diana's hearse... the same people who probably cry when their favourite person wins American Idol and shit like that... and trees are beautiful, but then so is Zooey Deschanel.

so you think crying about a dead loved one is more pathetic than crying about a tree? I think that speaks volumes... i also think you're saying it for dramatic effect... You're getting pissed off because some people don't think it's ok to cry about dead trees... those same people will get pissed off because of your lack of emotion in regards to a dead human. its the same thing.

we're not pissed because people disagree with these people ... we're offended at the ridicule they are getting and the notion that some people here get off making fun of them ...

well i'm offended that you're offended... they are crying about dead trees for fucks sake... if i came on here and posted about that I cried at the 27 dead flies on my car windscreen I'd be open to ridicule and rightly so... are you saying you've never made fun of anyone? I seriously seriously doubt that...

WaveCameCrashin

chadwick wrote:

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

chadwick wrote:

I am not reading your bullshit statistics due to the fact that I am positive it is old news I have covered many times.

I'm not against you on this topic, but dismissing someone's research merely because you don't think it's relevant does not help your cause.

im not dismissing the research that was presented to me. i have read that kinda shit for years. i don't have time this morning to fuck with it. show me something i can cover in a quick read. show me a quick read of something that i do not already know. like i said i've been researching in the field of environmental science in school and for entertainment purposes for my own educational purposes.

i do not own a tv. i write books and do reseach on the topics i love.

btw, i am sorry if i seem arrogant.
i have an incredible redwood tree's video you folks should watch.
i'll try and find it.

So let me get this straight . you want to dismiss the stats I presented to you b/c you dont want to be bothered by it ,but we should watch your video ? :roll: Arogant ??? Naw.. Not at all.. :roll:

So you write books huh???
Im just curious.. :eh:
Exactly what kind of material are those books printed on ?

dunkman

eyedclaar wrote:

Even when forest are "replanted" it is a cold, compromised version of the diverse ecosystem that once existed. Typically, a wide variety of trees are replaced by a single kind - often it is lodge pole pines because they grow so straight they make great lumber.

and this book you have coming out... printed on what exactly?

polaris_x

dunkman wrote:

well i'm offended that you're offended... they are crying about dead trees for fucks sake... if i came on here and posted about that I cried at the 27 dead flies on my car windscreen I'd be open to ridicule and rightly so... are you saying you've never made fun of anyone? I seriously seriously doubt that...

i'm not saying i've never made fun of anyone but does it make it right? ... see, the problem with your reasoning and everyone else's is pure ignorance ... you guys don't know shit about their rituals but yet you find it open to ridicule ...

as for your dead flies ... you may be ridiculed but it still doesn't make it right ... you want respect in this world - you should treat others with respect as well ...

he still stands

Last night I laid in bed thinking about this thread. Please don't judge the incredible lameness of my life. Anyway, I remembered this concept that I try to adhere to and I think it applies well to this situation and fixes the disagreements therein entirely.

If everyone just said "seems" instead of "is" there would be much less bickering; "those hippies SEEM pathetic to me based on my life experiences and general perspective based on 29 years on this planet" rather than "they are pathetic."

We (none of us) know what anything "is" we just know what things "seem to be." It is all opinion and everyone's opinion is valid as everyone else's and it may teach us something about ourselves and the world in general.

Nobody, as far as I can tell, has said that the environment should be disregarded and thrown in the trash heap. So we're all in agreement on that. We're just bickering about our perspectives and there is NO SINGLE concrete perspective, no vantage point on this planet, that is the "correct" perspective. So this is a pointless argument. I'm moving on. Happy Friday, remember to recycle, and kick a hippie. (that is a joke, btw)

cincybearcat

he still stands wrote:

Last night I laid in bed thinking about this thread. Please don't judge the incredible lameness of my life. Anyway, I remembered this concept that I try to adhere to and I think it applies well to this situation and fixes the disagreements therein entirely.

If everyone just said "seems" instead of "is" there would be much less bickering; "those hippies SEEM pathetic to me based on my life experiences and general perspective based on 29 years on this planet" rather than "they are pathetic."

We (none of us) know what anything "is" we just know what things "seem to be." It is all opinion and everyone's opinion is valid as everyone else's and it may teach us something about ourselves and the world in general.

Nobody, as far as I can tell, has said that the environment should be disregarded and thrown in the trash heap. So we're all in agreement on that. We're just bickering about our perspectives and there is NO SINGLE concrete perspective, no vantage point on this planet, that is the "correct" perspective. So this is a pointless argument. I'm moving on. Happy Friday, remember to recycle, and kick a hippie. (that is a joke, btw)

You seem to be drunk.

dunkman

polaris_x wrote:

dunkman wrote:

well i'm offended that you're offended... they are crying about dead trees for fucks sake... if i came on here and posted about that I cried at the 27 dead flies on my car windscreen I'd be open to ridicule and rightly so... are you saying you've never made fun of anyone? I seriously seriously doubt that...

i'm not saying i've never made fun of anyone but does it make it right? ... see, the problem with your reasoning and everyone else's is pure ignorance ... you guys don't know shit about their rituals but yet you find it open to ridicule ...

as for your dead flies ... you may be ridiculed but it still doesn't make it right ... you want respect in this world - you should treat others with respect as well ...

i could study their 'rituals' for the next 3 years and I still wouldn't comprehend the need to cry about a dead tree... just as I wouldnt understand why women do that flappy hand thing in front of their face when they are about to cry...

as the other guy above me just said... I am in no way ridiculing what their stance is, it's actually very admirable.. but to shed tears about a dead tree deserves the same mockery from me as if i had just seen an extremely fat person sob because she just saw her last cake being squashed by a car...

this world has become so fucking boring because of its politically correctness its unreal... we can't laugh at people these days? fuck that... I'll continue to mock and laugh at stupidity all i want... and i find crying about a dead tree stupid... just as I find the national dress of England stupid... ergo, I laugh.

dunkman

cincybearcat wrote:

he still stands wrote:

Last night I laid in bed thinking about this thread. Please don't judge the incredible lameness of my life. Anyway, I remembered this concept that I try to adhere to and I think it applies well to this situation and fixes the disagreements therein entirely.

If everyone just said "seems" instead of "is" there would be much less bickering; "those hippies SEEM pathetic to me based on my life experiences and general perspective based on 29 years on this planet" rather than "they are pathetic."

We (none of us) know what anything "is" we just know what things "seem to be." It is all opinion and everyone's opinion is valid as everyone else's and it may teach us something about ourselves and the world in general.

Nobody, as far as I can tell, has said that the environment should be disregarded and thrown in the trash heap. So we're all in agreement on that. We're just bickering about our perspectives and there is NO SINGLE concrete perspective, no vantage point on this planet, that is the "correct" perspective. So this is a pointless argument. I'm moving on. Happy Friday, remember to recycle, and kick a hippie. (that is a joke, btw)

You seem to be drunk.

i hope not as that would offend me... raping the world of valuable hops, barley and water so that he can drink beer!!! fucking evil that is... unless of course he's drunk on Budweiser in which case he has only destroyed buffalo urine... which is easily replaceable.

polaris_x

dunkman wrote:

this world has become so fucking boring because of its politically correctness its unreal... we can't laugh at people these days? fuck that... I'll continue to mock and laugh at stupidity all i want... and i find crying about a dead tree stupid... just as I find the national dress of England stupid... ergo, I laugh.

i have no doubt that you will

Jason P

eyedclaar wrote:

Who is talking about volcanoes? Our destruction is far too fast for natural cycles to keep pace and filter the problems. Here is the very tip of the iceberg. Don't look below the surface, or you might be horrified. When the world's water is poison, what are you and Heidi going to drink?

To answer your question, I will be drinking Coke Zero and an occasional Summit Extra Pale Ale.

I wasn’t comparing a volcano to whatever effects mankind is creating. I was just pointing out how resilient life is in reclaiming an area that suffered massive fallout in a very short period of time.

And I understand our impact on the earth and I'm doing my best to help preserve it.

Peace.

chadwick

prfctlefts wrote:

So let me get this straight . you want to dismiss the stats I presented to you b/c you dont want to be bothered by it ,but we should watch your video ? :roll: Arogant ??? Naw.. Not at all.. :roll:

So you write books huh???
Im just curious.. :eh:
Exactly what kind of material are those books printed on ?

yesterday was the first day i ran into some of you clowns. i felt it necessary to introduce myself. hi im chadwick, blah, blah, blah. i admit i got excited. however i didn't lie, i do study the environmental sciences and write essays on it, i do my own research by living. and i write poetry like an obsessed wildman.

i live in a badger's den under a tree. i plant whiskers and grow vikings. out in my garden i have an army of berzerkers that'll whip a mother's ass in a hurry. they like trees. i have heard they chop up trees and build sea worthy crafts. i'm positive they manage forests quite nicely. they do enjoy axe skull fighting. but more exciting than that is the "battle hammer broken shoulder competition." we have fun together.