i happen to love trees.
sure some ppl are a bit radical, they have the right to be that way.
the earth kicks ass and needs to be cared for.
logging fucks should be kicked squarely in the teeth, and often.
i respect the ones who climb up in the tall redwood trees to help prevent loggers from sawing them down.
only a dumb cock sucker falls a redwood tree.
Im just curious. So you think logging fucks should be kicked in the teeth. Do you enjoy the furniture in your house or would you rather sit on the floor. Do you enjoy your counter tops and your cabinets ? or would you rather just stack every thing on the floor ? oh wait.. If it weren't for those loggers you might not even have a sub-floor. That is if you don't have a slab house. ? Did it ever occur to you that a lot of the loggers that you wish to hurt actually plant seedlings and actually do care.
I know that there are some that have done a lot of damage. I get that but I think you should realize that theere are many regulations in place when it comes to logging in America. Not to mention they are some tough MOTHERFUCKERS and you might want to think twice about that.
These are some stats just in Orgeon.
Fun and Interesting
It takes one tree every year per person to meet their needs for paper, packaging, lumber, fiber compounds and panel products.
Oregon's most abundant tree is the Douglas-fir, which is also Oregon's state tree. 80% of all trees West of the Cascades are Douglas-firs.
One of the largest wildfires in Oregon was the Tillamook Burn that occurred between 1933 and 1951. The combination of the four fires in this time destroyed 360,882 acres.
Despite the rapid growth of agriculture, the development of cities, highways, industrial areas and electric transmission lines there is nearly the same amount of Forestland today as there was 300 years ago.
Oregon sells its wood and paper products in all 50 states and approximately 40 countries. This includes lumber, panels and engineered wood products, millwork, household, pulp and paper products.
Stats and Figures
28 million out of Oregon’s 62 million-acre land base is forestland, or about 46% of the state’s total landmass.
The forestry products industry is the second largest industry in Oregon generating sales of approximately 13 billion dollars and employing 75,000 Oregonians. This includes, but not limited to, logging and trucking companies, sawmills and pulp and paper manufacturing operations.
About 57% of all forestland in Oregon are owned by the federal government. In 2005, more than 2.5 million tree seedlings were planted on federal government lands.
In Oregon growth rates exceed harvest rates by a wide margin. The long-term sustainable timber harvest is approximately 7.5 billion board feet a year, according to a study by Oregon State University.
Every timber harvest in Oregon generates funds to be used by local, county and state governments. Currently, 60% of revenues from state timber sales go to local counties and schools.
Laws and Regulations
Reforestation is required to start within 1 year after every harvest and it must be completed within 2 years.
Within a single ownership clearcuts are limited to 120 acres. Clearcuts also cannot take place within 300 feet of another clearcut under the same ownership until the area is successfully reforested.
Oregon Forest Practices Act (1971) - Regulates forest operations to protect a wide range of resources, including water quality, fish and other wildlife. Oregon practices this regulation by performing the following:
Provide comprehensive riparian area protection
Assure water quality, fish habitat and wetlands are guarded
Protect wildlife habitat and diversity by retaining sensitive sites, snags and down-wood
Promote landscape structure and aesthetics by limiting regeneration harvest unit size
Reforest within two years after harvest with a mix of native tree species
Maintain forest productivity by minimizing soil disturbance and promote growth
Minimize resource impact of road by applying strict construction and maintenance standards
Requiring permits before harvesting
Common School Lands – When Oregon became a state in 1859 the federal government granted 124,000 acres (16%) of forestland located primarily in the Elliott State Forest. The Oregon Department of Forestry manages the forests through an agreement with the Department of State Lands. Revenue generated from these lands goes to the Common School Fund, which goes towards public education in Oregon.
In college I have studied environmental science classes such as fisheries management, harvest systems management, and forestry classes. All in which I excelled at and wrote incredible papers by doing lengthy research. I am an environmentalist because I love this earth and I love all its life forms. Not one single life out weights another in regards to importance. We need all living things to form solid ecosystems throughout all habitats.
Logging has been out of control for hundreds of years. No one needs to fall a tree hundreds of feet tall and hundreds or thousands of years old. Those are sacred living creatures that give us great gifts in this life.
I have been a woodsy individual since I was a small child, before I could talk actually. Do not fuck with me about loving this earth. I am not reading your bullshit statistics due to the fact that I am positive it is old news I have covered many times.
I am not reading your bullshit statistics due to the fact that I am positive it is old news I have covered many times.
I'm not against you on this topic, but dismissing someone's research merely because you don't think it's relevant does not help your cause.
im not dismissing the research that was presented to me. i have read that kinda shit for years. i don't have time this morning to fuck with it. show me something i can cover in a quick read. show me a quick read of something that i do not already know. like i said i've been researching in the field of environmental science in school and for entertainment purposes for my own educational purposes.
i do not own a tv. i write books and do reseach on the topics i love.
btw, i am sorry if i seem arrogant.
i have an incredible redwood tree's video you folks should watch.
i'll try and find it.
"Not to mention they are some tough MOTHERFUCKERS and you might want to think twice about that."
as far as i am concerned they suck giant paul bunyan swollen johnsons. it's a true fact. ever see a big horny homosexual logger out in the timber? very light on their toes. limp wristed and quite fairy like.
I am not reading your bullshit statistics due to the fact that I am positive it is old news I have covered many times.
I'm not against you on this topic, but dismissing someone's research merely because you don't think it's relevant does not help your cause.
im not dismissing the research that was presented to me. i have read that kinda shit for years.
I guess what I was getting at is how do you know it's bullshit if you refuse to read it? You have no time to fuck with it, but you have time for further posts in your own regard. Anyway, just playing Devil's Advocate here.
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I guess what I was getting at is how do you know it's bullshit if you refuse to read it? You have no time to fuck with it, but you have time for further posts in your own regard. Anyway, just playing Devil's Advocate here.
i scanned over it giving attention to numbers and other quick highlights.
my uncle was a logger.
i myself have worked in two different sawmills back in iowa.
it sucks.
they have a great deal of technical logging these days, yes.
very selective semi ecofriendly logging. (beating a dead horse?)
why is that?
because previous logging companies have savagely raped the timber.
we're a "go through it like a mother fucker society."
did you know a logging company has up to 10 years to replant trees after their harvest?
10 years is quite a lengthy time.
why not replant as soon as possible?
entire mountainsides leveled?
logging is dangerous.
i am personally thrilled when a tree wins every once in awhile.
if you'd like, i can give you folks a list things that are damaged and or destroyed when logging takes place.
Even when forest are "replanted" it is a cold, compromised version of the diverse ecosystem that once existed. Typically, a wide variety of trees are replaced by a single kind - often it is lodge pole pines because they grow so straight they make great lumber. We already know hemp products can replace so many of our wood needs and you can harvest hemp 3-4 times every year, vs once every 100 years.
I live in the recovering aftermath of Idaho's first white settlers - the miners, the loggers, the ranchers, and things are so fucked up compared to what once was. I see the mine tailing, I see the dredge ponds, I see the pathetic forests that now exist, I see the clear cuts, I see the lack of abundant wildlife, I see cheatgrass where a variety of ground cover used to exist, and I clean up epic amounts of human trash when out exploring the wilderness. I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer...
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Even when forest are "replanted" it is a cold, compromised version of the diverse ecosystem that once existed. Typically, a wide variety of trees are replaced by a single kind - often it is lodge pole pines because they grow so straight they make great lumber. We already know hemp products can replace so many of our wood needs and you can harvest hemp 3-4 times every year, vs once every 100 years.
I live in the recovering aftermath of Idaho's first white settlers - the miners, the loggers, the ranchers, and things are so fucked up compared to what once was. I see the mine tailing, I see the dredge ponds, I see the pathetic forests that now exist, I see the clear cuts, I see the lack of abundant wildlife, I see cheatgrass where a variety of ground cover used to exist, and I clean up epic amounts of human trash when out exploring the wilderness. I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer...
you my friend are a fantastic gentleman.
if only everyone had eyeds balls and heart we all would be sailings great heights.
like you, i see these raped landscapes and i am in shock.
they log something feirce out here.
many years ago it was one of the worlds leading foresty harvesting areas.
entire mountain ranges covered in trees are mowed down like cutting grass.
as a whole, loggers are are not very smart people.
one thing is for certain, they do not care.
a stroll through the timber does not mean throw trash on the ground.
i am very sick and tired of this.
the beach, woods, and roadways all have trash lying about.
wonderful, maybe i'll go fall a tree for awhile.
Even when forest are "replanted" it is a cold, compromised version of the diverse ecosystem that once existed. Typically, a wide variety of trees are replaced by a single kind - often it is lodge pole pines because they grow so straight they make great lumber. We already know hemp products can replace so many of our wood needs and you can harvest hemp 3-4 times every year, vs once every 100 years.
I live in the recovering aftermath of Idaho's first white settlers - the miners, the loggers, the ranchers, and things are so fucked up compared to what once was. I see the mine tailing, I see the dredge ponds, I see the pathetic forests that now exist, I see the clear cuts, I see the lack of abundant wildlife, I see cheatgrass where a variety of ground cover used to exist, and I clean up epic amounts of human trash when out exploring the wilderness. I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer...
you my friend are a fantastic gentleman.
if only everyone had eyeds balls and heart we all would be sailings great heights.
like you, i see these raped landscapes and i am in shock.
they log something feirce out here.
many years ago it was one of the worlds leading foresty harvesting areas.
entire mountain ranges covered in trees are mowed down like cutting grass.
as a whole, loggers are are not very smart people.
one thing is for certain, they do not care.
a stroll through the timber does not mean throw trash on the ground.
i am very sick and tired of this.
the beach, woods, and roadways all have trash lying about.
wonderful, maybe i'll go fall a tree for awhile.
I am continually disgusted by the amount of shit on the ground. I don't understand why people litter. It's disgusting. Not just paper, but cigarette butts. People should have to put them out on their foreheads instead of tossing them in the park, and see how long they keep smoking. I am a former smoker, and can't imagine how grossly I contributed to the pile of wet tobacco filters come spring thaw.
As someone said, humans are assholes.
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Even when forest are "replanted" it is a cold, compromised version of the diverse ecosystem that once existed. Typically, a wide variety of trees are replaced by a single kind - often it is lodge pole pines because they grow so straight they make great lumber. We already know hemp products can replace so many of our wood needs and you can harvest hemp 3-4 times every year, vs once every 100 years.
I live in the recovering aftermath of Idaho's first white settlers - the miners, the loggers, the ranchers, and things are so fucked up compared to what once was. I see the mine tailing, I see the dredge ponds, I see the pathetic forests that now exist, I see the clear cuts, I see the lack of abundant wildlife, I see cheatgrass where a variety of ground cover used to exist, and I clean up epic amounts of human trash when out exploring the wilderness. I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer...
also very sensitive are the salamanders, frogs, and other species.
birds... unreal what birds do in a forest.
bears and salmon... i have a fantastic bit of info i will share here in a bit.
gotta get my thoughts gathered.
It's not that I love man less, it's just that I love nature more
who said it?
love it.
don't watch you tube at work, but well, trees are important no?
if someone wants to cry over em, more power to em. hurts no one.
just don't take bereavement leave over your pet, or dunk will hunt you down.
lord byron.
There is a pleasure in the pathless woods,
There is a rapture on the lonely shore,
There is society where none intrudes,
By the deep Sea, and music in its roar:
I love not Man the less, but Nature more,
From these our interviews, in which I steal
From all I may be, or have been before,
To mingle with the Universe, and feel
What I can ne’er express, yet cannot all conceal.
Roll on, thou deep and dark blue Ocean - roll!
Ten thousand fleets sweep over thee in vain;
Man marks the earth with ruin - his control
Stops with the shore; - upon the watery plain
The wrecks are all thy deed, nor doth remain
A shadow of man’s ravage, save his own,
When for a moment, like a drop of rain,
He sinks into thy depths with bubbling groan,
Without a grave, unknelled, uncoffined, and unknown.
thank you.
and my gawd cincy, your post above totlly made me laugh!
"I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer..."
Who ever said were not impacting the planet???. But to say we are snapping stands on the spider web and saying that they can't be repaired is so stupid. You have no idea of how the World works, no one knows. It is constantly going through cycles. Do you know much poultion is realeased when a volcano erupts??? Alot more than we produce. There are alot of things that humans need to do better, but to be as arrogant as to say that humans are destroying the plant is ridiculous. And to value a tree more than a human life tells me alot about you as a person. Like I said if humans are so bad for the planet why not make it one less human on the planet and off your self.
"I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer..."
Who ever said were not impacting the planet???. But to say we are snapping stands on the spider web and saying that they can't be repaired is so stupid. You have no idea of how the World works, no one knows. It is constantly going through cycles. Do you know much poultion is realeased when a volcano erupts??? Alot more than we produce. There are alot of things that humans need to do better, but to be as arrogant as to say that humans are destroying the plant is ridiculous. And to value a tree more than a human life tells me alot about you as a person. Like I said if humans are so bad for the planet why not make it one less human on the planet and off your self.
World population is growing so fast and continuously that our presence here, along with human need to consume natural resources WILL, in the end, most likely will result in the end to human civilization. But humans probably wont destroy the planet. We'll just destroy ourselves instead. So the best solution here is to save what we can to prolonge our own existance.
FYI - Mt. St. Helens is a good case study for how the earth naturally heals itself.
Also, remember that trees and plants are all in a race for survival and dominance. Each species has tricks to gain advantage over their rivals. Doug Firs patiently take over a forest while species like Aspen will take advantage of a forest fire.
Lastly, with good forest management, a forest can become much stronger over time. I can't speak for the clear-cuts in the west, but a forest that is selectively cut will be healthier in ten years due to extra light that can penetrate the forest floor.
"I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer..."
Who ever said were not impacting the planet???. But to say we are snapping stands on the spider web and saying that they can't be repaired is so stupid. You have no idea of how the World works, no one knows. It is constantly going through cycles. Do you know much poultion is realeased when a volcano erupts??? Alot more than we produce. There are alot of things that humans need to do better, but to be as arrogant as to say that humans are destroying the plant is ridiculous. And to value a tree more than a human life tells me alot about you as a person. Like I said if humans are so bad for the planet why not make it one less human on the planet and off your self.
as we've seen over the last few years, The Earth is fighting back, and She's slowly winning. Some day, maybe not soon, but some day we'll all be gone by our own hand, and She'll thrive once again. We treat this place as if we built it and it's ours. We are merely guests.
You are suggesting someone commit suicide over a discussion on a message board? WTF??? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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FYI - Mt. St. Helens is a good case study for how the earth naturally heals itself.
Also, remember that trees and plants are all in a race for survival and dominance. Each species has tricks to gain advantage over their rivals. Doug Firs patiently take over a forest while species like Aspen will take advantage of a forest fire.
Lastly, with good forest management, a forest can become much stronger over time. I can't speak for the clear-cuts in the west, but a forest that is selectively cut will be healthier in ten years due to extra light that can penetrate the forest floor.
Who is talking about volcanoes? Our destruction is far too fast for natural cycles to keep pace and filter the problems. Here is the very tip of the iceberg. Don't look below the surface, or you might be horrified. When the world's water is poison, what are you and Heidi going to drink?
1.40% of America’s rivers and 46% of America’s lakes are too polluted for fishing, swimming, or aquatic life.
2.The Mississippi River – which drains the lands of nearly 40% of the continental United Sates – carries an estimated 1.5 million metric tons of nitrogen pollution into the Gulf of Mexico each year. The resulting dead zone in the Gulf each summer is about the size of Massachusetts.
3.1.2 trillion gallons of untreated sewage, storm water, and industrial waste are discharged into US waters annually.
4.Polluted drinking waters are a problem for about half of the world’s population. Each year there are about 250 million cases of water-based diseases, resulting in roughly 5 to 10 million deaths.
5.Vehicle exhaust contributes roughly 60% of all carbon monoxide emissions nationwide, and up to 95% in cities.
6.Large hog farms emit hydrogen sulfide, a gas that most often causes flu-like symptoms in humans, but at high concentrations can lead to brain damage.
7.Each year, U.S. factories spew 3 million tons of toxic chemicals into the air, land, and water.
8.In the U.S. 41% of all insecticides are used on corn. Of these, 80% are used to treat a pest that could be controlled simply by rotating a different crop for just one year.
9.Every year, one American produces over 3,285 pounds of hazardous waste.
10.Over 80% of items in landfills can be recycled, but they’re not.
11.Americans generate 30 billion foam cups, 220 million tires, and 1.8 billion disposable diapers every year.
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I heard a presentation today that included a quote that I thought was relevant to this discussion. It is from a Native American educational organization, but hopefully everyone can understand the relevance to this topic and many other conversations we have here:
Edbesendowen is a Potawatomi word that means “humility.” The spirit of this scholarship is the recognition of the importance of being humble and knowing that we are no more than the next. Our presence on Mother Earth is a gift. We are not more than the trees or the oceans. We are equal to all things that we share our planet with. We are not more than those who struggle or have no home.
I heard a presentation today that included a quote that I thought was relevant to this discussion. It is from a Native American educational organization, but hopefully everyone can understand the relevance to this topic and many other conversations we have here:
Edbesendowen is a Potawatomi word that means “humility.” The spirit of this scholarship is the recognition of the importance of being humble and knowing that we are no more than the next. Our presence on Mother Earth is a gift. We are not more than the trees or the oceans. We are equal to all things that we share our planet with. We are not more than those who struggle or have no home.
"I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer..."
Who ever said were not impacting the planet???. But to say we are snapping stands on the spider web and saying that they can't be repaired is so stupid. You have no idea of how the World works, no one knows. It is constantly going through cycles. Do you know much poultion is realeased when a volcano erupts??? Alot more than we produce. There are alot of things that humans need to do better, but to be as arrogant as to say that humans are destroying the plant is ridiculous. And to value a tree more than a human life tells me alot about you as a person. Like I said if humans are so bad for the planet why not make it one less human on the planet and off your self.
Humans are the plaque of this planet but we are in the end just part of evolution. With that said I always cheer for the bull in a rodeo, the circus elephant at its wits end and take a nice red wood over logger any day.
"I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer..."
Who ever said were not impacting the planet???. But to say we are snapping stands on the spider web and saying that they can't be repaired is so stupid. You have no idea of how the World works, no one knows. It is constantly going through cycles. Do you know much poultion is realeased when a volcano erupts??? Alot more than we produce. There are alot of things that humans need to do better, but to be as arrogant as to say that humans are destroying the plant is ridiculous. And to value a tree more than a human life tells me alot about you as a person. Like I said if humans are so bad for the planet why not make it one less human on the planet and off your self.
Humans are the plaque of this planet but we are in the end just part of evolution. With that said I always cheer for the bull in a rodeo, the circus elephant at its wits end and take a nice red wood over logger any day.
I also find myself cheering for the elephant that has had enough. He has every right to go off on those that "train" him!
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it's pathetic because it is. It's pathetic to me just as it was pathetic to me when i watched morons throw flowers onto Princess Diana's hearse... the same people who probably cry when their favourite person wins American Idol and shit like that... and trees are beautiful, but then so is Zooey Deschanel.
so you think crying about a dead loved one is more pathetic than crying about a tree? I think that speaks volumes... i also think you're saying it for dramatic effect... You're getting pissed off because some people don't think it's ok to cry about dead trees... those same people will get pissed off because of your lack of emotion in regards to a dead human. its the same thing.
we're not pissed because people disagree with these people ... we're offended at the ridicule they are getting and the notion that some people here get off making fun of them ...
well i'm offended that you're offended... they are crying about dead trees for fucks sake... if i came on here and posted about that I cried at the 27 dead flies on my car windscreen I'd be open to ridicule and rightly so... are you saying you've never made fun of anyone? I seriously seriously doubt that...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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nope. It was, as I said, said in jest, i.e: sarcasm. However, the overall theme of my post is that we're all hypocrites.
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In college I have studied environmental science classes such as fisheries management, harvest systems management, and forestry classes. All in which I excelled at and wrote incredible papers by doing lengthy research. I am an environmentalist because I love this earth and I love all its life forms. Not one single life out weights another in regards to importance. We need all living things to form solid ecosystems throughout all habitats.
Logging has been out of control for hundreds of years. No one needs to fall a tree hundreds of feet tall and hundreds or thousands of years old. Those are sacred living creatures that give us great gifts in this life.
I have been a woodsy individual since I was a small child, before I could talk actually. Do not fuck with me about loving this earth. I am not reading your bullshit statistics due to the fact that I am positive it is old news I have covered many times.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I'm not against you on this topic, but dismissing someone's research merely because you don't think it's relevant does not help your cause.
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i do not own a tv. i write books and do reseach on the topics i love.
btw, i am sorry if i seem arrogant.
i have an incredible redwood tree's video you folks should watch.
i'll try and find it.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
idiots...
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
that's light weight candy ass bullshit.
i was just now enjoying this debate.
burp.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I guess what I was getting at is how do you know it's bullshit if you refuse to read it? You have no time to fuck with it, but you have time for further posts in your own regard. Anyway, just playing Devil's Advocate here.
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my uncle was a logger.
i myself have worked in two different sawmills back in iowa.
it sucks.
they have a great deal of technical logging these days, yes.
very selective semi ecofriendly logging. (beating a dead horse?)
why is that?
because previous logging companies have savagely raped the timber.
we're a "go through it like a mother fucker society."
did you know a logging company has up to 10 years to replant trees after their harvest?
10 years is quite a lengthy time.
why not replant as soon as possible?
entire mountainsides leveled?
logging is dangerous.
i am personally thrilled when a tree wins every once in awhile.
if you'd like, i can give you folks a list things that are damaged and or destroyed when logging takes place.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I live in the recovering aftermath of Idaho's first white settlers - the miners, the loggers, the ranchers, and things are so fucked up compared to what once was. I see the mine tailing, I see the dredge ponds, I see the pathetic forests that now exist, I see the clear cuts, I see the lack of abundant wildlife, I see cheatgrass where a variety of ground cover used to exist, and I clean up epic amounts of human trash when out exploring the wilderness. I don't see how anyone can sit there with a straight face and pretend we aren't impacting this planet. We are snapping strands on the spider web much quicker than they can be repaired. And still, what % cares enough to actually get involved? I don't want to know the answer...
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if only everyone had eyeds balls and heart we all would be sailings great heights.
like you, i see these raped landscapes and i am in shock.
they log something feirce out here.
many years ago it was one of the worlds leading foresty harvesting areas.
entire mountain ranges covered in trees are mowed down like cutting grass.
as a whole, loggers are are not very smart people.
one thing is for certain, they do not care.
a stroll through the timber does not mean throw trash on the ground.
i am very sick and tired of this.
the beach, woods, and roadways all have trash lying about.
wonderful, maybe i'll go fall a tree for awhile.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I am continually disgusted by the amount of shit on the ground. I don't understand why people litter. It's disgusting. Not just paper, but cigarette butts. People should have to put them out on their foreheads instead of tossing them in the park, and see how long they keep smoking. I am a former smoker, and can't imagine how grossly I contributed to the pile of wet tobacco filters come spring thaw.
As someone said, humans are assholes.
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also very sensitive are the salamanders, frogs, and other species.
birds... unreal what birds do in a forest.
bears and salmon... i have a fantastic bit of info i will share here in a bit.
gotta get my thoughts gathered.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
salmon in trees?
marine nitrogen in trees linked to fish...
fuck with either the trees or the salmon and you ruin it all.
polluted watersheds, uncool.
this is why thanking BP, HALLIBURTON and others is warranted.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Why do people say stuff they don't mean?
thank you.
and my gawd cincy, your post above totlly made me laugh!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Who ever said were not impacting the planet???. But to say we are snapping stands on the spider web and saying that they can't be repaired is so stupid. You have no idea of how the World works, no one knows. It is constantly going through cycles. Do you know much poultion is realeased when a volcano erupts??? Alot more than we produce. There are alot of things that humans need to do better, but to be as arrogant as to say that humans are destroying the plant is ridiculous. And to value a tree more than a human life tells me alot about you as a person. Like I said if humans are so bad for the planet why not make it one less human on the planet and off your self.
World population is growing so fast and continuously that our presence here, along with human need to consume natural resources WILL, in the end, most likely will result in the end to human civilization. But humans probably wont destroy the planet. We'll just destroy ourselves instead. So the best solution here is to save what we can to prolonge our own existance.
Also, remember that trees and plants are all in a race for survival and dominance. Each species has tricks to gain advantage over their rivals. Doug Firs patiently take over a forest while species like Aspen will take advantage of a forest fire.
Lastly, with good forest management, a forest can become much stronger over time. I can't speak for the clear-cuts in the west, but a forest that is selectively cut will be healthier in ten years due to extra light that can penetrate the forest floor.
as we've seen over the last few years, The Earth is fighting back, and She's slowly winning. Some day, maybe not soon, but some day we'll all be gone by our own hand, and She'll thrive once again. We treat this place as if we built it and it's ours. We are merely guests.
You are suggesting someone commit suicide over a discussion on a message board? WTF??? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Who is talking about volcanoes? Our destruction is far too fast for natural cycles to keep pace and filter the problems. Here is the very tip of the iceberg. Don't look below the surface, or you might be horrified. When the world's water is poison, what are you and Heidi going to drink?
1.40% of America’s rivers and 46% of America’s lakes are too polluted for fishing, swimming, or aquatic life.
2.The Mississippi River – which drains the lands of nearly 40% of the continental United Sates – carries an estimated 1.5 million metric tons of nitrogen pollution into the Gulf of Mexico each year. The resulting dead zone in the Gulf each summer is about the size of Massachusetts.
3.1.2 trillion gallons of untreated sewage, storm water, and industrial waste are discharged into US waters annually.
4.Polluted drinking waters are a problem for about half of the world’s population. Each year there are about 250 million cases of water-based diseases, resulting in roughly 5 to 10 million deaths.
5.Vehicle exhaust contributes roughly 60% of all carbon monoxide emissions nationwide, and up to 95% in cities.
6.Large hog farms emit hydrogen sulfide, a gas that most often causes flu-like symptoms in humans, but at high concentrations can lead to brain damage.
7.Each year, U.S. factories spew 3 million tons of toxic chemicals into the air, land, and water.
8.In the U.S. 41% of all insecticides are used on corn. Of these, 80% are used to treat a pest that could be controlled simply by rotating a different crop for just one year.
9.Every year, one American produces over 3,285 pounds of hazardous waste.
10.Over 80% of items in landfills can be recycled, but they’re not.
11.Americans generate 30 billion foam cups, 220 million tires, and 1.8 billion disposable diapers every year.
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zero can be compared to a human beings disregard for this planet in comparison with a natural disaster.
btw, why the fuck should eyed off himself because he is passionate about the earth?
also, cincybearcat...
why do ppl say thing they do not mean???
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Edbesendowen is a Potawatomi word that means “humility.” The spirit of this scholarship is the recognition of the importance of being humble and knowing that we are no more than the next. Our presence on Mother Earth is a gift. We are not more than the trees or the oceans. We are equal to all things that we share our planet with. We are not more than those who struggle or have no home.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Humans are the plaque of this planet but we are in the end just part of evolution. With that said I always cheer for the bull in a rodeo, the circus elephant at its wits end and take a nice red wood over logger any day.
I also find myself cheering for the elephant that has had enough. He has every right to go off on those that "train" him!
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
well i'm offended that you're offended... they are crying about dead trees for fucks sake... if i came on here and posted about that I cried at the 27 dead flies on my car windscreen I'd be open to ridicule and rightly so... are you saying you've never made fun of anyone? I seriously seriously doubt that...