Is Obama the Worst President Ever?

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    RW81233 wrote:
    Who was the next guy again?

    you know ... the guy all conservatives worship as the greatest president of all time ...
  • Black Diamond
    Black Diamond Posts: 25,109
    Why is this thread in the AET??
    It keeps getting bumped ahead of the Kitty Thread... :evil:
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  • Lay down your arms
    Lay down your arms Posts: 39
    Byrnzie wrote:

    Bush and his criminal buddies should be sent to the Hague and punished accordingly as war criminals.

    This.

    Not to mention they literally stole the election in 2000.
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    polaris_x wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    Who was the next guy again?

    you know ... the guy all conservatives worship as the greatest president of all time ...
    aka the man who ruined america
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    PearlJam24 wrote:
    Sorry, I should clarify. When I said the government cannot do much to stop the oil, I was referring to the leak in the gulf. We have to continue to drill offshore until we stop being dependent on foreign oil. I just hope they put tighter restrictions in place so if something like this were to happen again, they could stop the oil flow immediately. I agree with you that the government are making strides in the right direction. We had the opportunity to make our automobiles more efficient 30 years ago but I believe the Carter administration chose not to. Better late then never!

    ah, yes I misread that, sorry. And you are right.
    But on an aside, it is good what the White house is doing with alternative energy and alternatively powered automobiles will put us in the right direction to get off foreign oil somehow/someday. It's funny though I don't hear much about it in the news. I hope it picks up pace (especially in the face of such a horrible environmental disaster as this BP thing)
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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    PearlJam24 wrote:
    Sorry, I should clarify. When I said the government cannot do much to stop the oil, I was referring to the leak in the gulf. We have to continue to drill offshore until we stop being dependent on foreign oil. I just hope they put tighter restrictions in place so if something like this were to happen again, they could stop the oil flow immediately. I agree with you that the government are making strides in the right direction. We had the opportunity to make our automobiles more efficient 30 years ago but I believe the Carter administration chose not to. Better late then never!

    ah, yes I misread that, sorry. And you are right.
    But on an aside, it is good what the White house is doing with alternative energy and alternatively powered automobiles will put us in the right direction to get off foreign oil somehow/someday. It's funny though I don't hear much about it in the news. I hope it picks up pace (especially in the face of such a horrible environmental disaster as this BP thing)


    actually, there was more money in the budget for oil, coal and nuclear EACH than all alternatives combined. in fact, there was nearly 11 times the amount of $ given towards just loan guarantees to build new nuclear power plants (which will take years to build and several decades to pay back) than all alternatives!
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    RW81233 wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    barack obama on his campaign promises:

    "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified," he conceded, after I reminded him that he had called NAFTA "devastating" and "a big mistake," despite nonpartisan studies concluding that the trade zone has had a mild, positive effect on the U.S. economy.

    Does that mean his rhetoric was overheated and amplified? "Politicians are always guilty of that, and I don't exempt myself," he answered.
    Is a successful policy only that if it helps our economy? That's what I was saying about Reagan he has so shaped our culture to defining success through profit, rather than human rights, dignity, and care for others that even Barrack Obama couldn't come back with a thoughtful, and important:
    Well how does NAFTA make us money? Oh yeah our corporations raided Mexico, took the people's land for their benefit, destroyed the Mexican education system, and then created cheap labor pools in Mexico and (il)legal alien labor in America (because whatever bullshit they are paying is more than Mexico). Now corporations don't have to pay their American workers more creating job loss here, and raising tensions in the U.S. between the working class and "illegals", which started stupid racial profiling laws in Arizona. So yeah, NAFTA was a big mistake, and it was a big mistake for me (Obama) to have taken campaign funding from corporations who are benefitting from it.


    he didn't say that because he was never interested in renegotiating NAFTA. remember during the primaries when the notes from a meeting with obama's chief economic and trade advisor saying obama's anti-NAFTA talk was “more reflective of political maneuvering than policy.” and all his supporters said that was a lie and just wait, he will prove the liars all wrong....!!! only to have him say he never intended to do any of the things he said about NAFTA on the campaign trail and he must have just gotten carried away when he said those things.... :roll:

    here's a decent article on his backtracking on his NAFTA promise and how he pretty much took clinton's stance on it until he won the nomination then contradicted everything he said during the primaries

    http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazin ... a.fortune/
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    metsfan wrote:
    KO282453 wrote:
    Roland Martin: If you are elected what is the very first thing that you focus on as Commander in Chief of this country?

    Barack Obama: Well, we will call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I will give them a new assignment and that is to bring our troops home in a careful, responsible way, but to end this occupation in Iraq. I will call in my Secretary of State and initiate the diplomacy that's needed to make sure that exit is accompanied by negotiations between the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.


    Not the Worst president ever, but send 30,000 more troops to iraq and afganistan after saying this (which is the reason i voted for him) = he sucks ASS!!!
    biggest reason why i won't be voting for him in 2012.


    in all fairness his website said the entire time during his campaign that he would escalate the war in afghanistan and most of the troops leaving iraq would just be redeployed to afghanistan. he even called the war in afghanistan a "war of necessity" when he accepted the peace prize for fuck's sake!

    personally i like his quote about iraq that is in my sig ;)

    we also seem to be forgetting obama started bombing pakistan which displaced millions right before last winter
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    barack obama on his campaign promises:

    "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified," he conceded, after I reminded him that he had called NAFTA "devastating" and "a big mistake," despite nonpartisan studies concluding that the trade zone has had a mild, positive effect on the U.S. economy.

    Does that mean his rhetoric was overheated and amplified? "Politicians are always guilty of that, and I don't exempt myself," he answered.
    Is a successful policy only that if it helps our economy? That's what I was saying about Reagan he has so shaped our culture to defining success through profit, rather than human rights, dignity, and care for others that even Barrack Obama couldn't come back with a thoughtful, and important:
    Well how does NAFTA make us money? Oh yeah our corporations raided Mexico, took the people's land for their benefit, destroyed the Mexican education system, and then created cheap labor pools in Mexico and (il)legal alien labor in America (because whatever bullshit they are paying is more than Mexico). Now corporations don't have to pay their American workers more creating job loss here, and raising tensions in the U.S. between the working class and "illegals", which started stupid racial profiling laws in Arizona. So yeah, NAFTA was a big mistake, and it was a big mistake for me (Obama) to have taken campaign funding from corporations who are benefitting from it.


    he didn't say that because he was never interested in renegotiating NAFTA. remember during the primaries when the notes from a meeting with obama's chief economic and trade advisor saying obama's anti-NAFTA talk was “more reflective of political maneuvering than policy.” and all his supporters said that was a lie and just wait, he will prove the liars all wrong....!!! only to have him say he never intended to do any of the things he said about NAFTA on the campaign trail and he must have just gotten carried away when he said those things.... :roll:

    here's a decent article on his backtracking on his NAFTA promise and how he pretty much took clinton's stance on it until he won the nomination then contradicted everything he said during the primaries

    http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazin ... a.fortune/
    i think we are both in agreement here. i was suggesting that he wasn't ever interested in complaining about NAFTA because he was funded by the very people that real change to NAFTA would effect most.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    RW81233 wrote:
    i think we are both in agreement here. i was suggesting that he wasn't ever interested in complaining about NAFTA because he was funded by the very people that real change to NAFTA would effect most.


    oh....my bad! :mrgreen:
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Pats54
    Pats54 Posts: 276
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Sawyer wrote:
    Flagg wrote:
    Um, W might have something to say about that.


    i disagree wholeheartedly and respect him for having to deal with 9/11
    Really? I mean, a rock could have dealt with 9/11.


    Obama is doing fine, unless you disagree with him. Welcome to politics.

    W would have made a better car salesman. C average students should not be running a country.

    Iraq was his first major, and I mean MAJOR fuck up. Boy, that was a waste of tax dollars.

    You must not have voted for John Kerry in 2004 then b/c he had a lower GPA than W at Yale 77 vs. 76. The world is run by C students and people who never finished college. Most Pols in case you haven't noticed are pretty much bottom of the barrel IMO. The most of the smart people in the world would never want to deal with all the BS. That is part of the problem the dumb asses go into politics.
  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    metsfan wrote:
    patrickredeyes wrote:
    Time will only tell I guess.

    This oil leaking into the gulf is not a good thing for Obama that's for sure.
    I put blame for the oil leak squarely on BP. They created this mess and now they need to fix it and not walk away from it saying we don't know how to fix it. Wtf is a lawyer from chicago gonna do to fix it.
    heyy thats my mom's old firm you're talking about!

    nice chat here though guys :lol:
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  • South of Seattle
    South of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    youngster wrote:
    I can't believe Richard Nixon's name hasn't come up in this thread. Everyones arguing about our last 2 presidents. We've had presidents for over 200 years and a lot of shit has gone down in this country in that time. Sure, a lot of issues are facing this country now and we all want them to be over (war, oil spill, bailouts, unemployment, etc) but, and I wasn't alive during his presidency, but I believe Nixon to be the worst president we ever had. Besides the Watergate scandal, it was his idea to create HMO's which is what our healthcare system is run on now. Making insurance companys rich at the cost of the patients health. His refusal to leave Vietnam was another one. Many more things to list I'm sure but not gonna get into it. Nixon gets my vote for worst president ever.
    I can't believe it took 3 pages to get to the right answer.

    You can add the war on drugs to his impressive list as well. I mean the guy left office? That puts you right at the top of the list.
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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    South of Seattle wrote:
    youngster wrote:
    I can't believe Richard Nixon's name hasn't come up in this thread. Everyones arguing about our last 2 presidents. We've had presidents for over 200 years and a lot of shit has gone down in this country in that time. Sure, a lot of issues are facing this country now and we all want them to be over (war, oil spill, bailouts, unemployment, etc) but, and I wasn't alive during his presidency, but I believe Nixon to be the worst president we ever had. Besides the Watergate scandal, it was his idea to create HMO's which is what our healthcare system is run on now. Making insurance companys rich at the cost of the patients health. His refusal to leave Vietnam was another one. Many more things to list I'm sure but not gonna get into it. Nixon gets my vote for worst president ever.
    I can't believe it took 3 pages to get to the right answer.

    You can add the war on drugs to his impressive list as well. I mean the guy left office? That puts you right at the top of the list.


    raygun ronnie really got the ball moving on the war on drugs, though. i don't think carter was horrible, though i was too young to really remember that time, i do think he made some screw ups, though. like with pot, he could've made it legal but to make a compromise with the parents groups he kept it illegal but pushing the idea it wasn't that big of a deal. as annoying as they probably were i think he should've worked a lot more with some of those parent groups because he ended up pissing them off and they pushed reagan and his get tough on drugs stance.

    also, it has since come out, forgot from who, but during the iran/contra hearings someone had testified that the reagan campaign had contacted iran telling them if they didn't release the hostages until after the election they would sell them missiles....not sure how true that is but we did sell iran thousands of missiles during the reagan years (the ultimate irony is israel was the middleman and now they claim iran is supplying rockets to destroy israel for 4 decades???)

    and reagan trained, armed and funded death squads and groups the us congress found to be terrorist organizations. see around the 53second mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XWZcL7ZyY
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    raygun ronnie really got the ball moving on the war on drugs, though.

    In between running drug smuggling operations through the C.I.A from Central America - http://www.mega.nu/ampp/webb.html
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    in a word.....
    No.

    a sidenote....
    look at W.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    polaris_x wrote:
    what i find interesting is most ex-presidents take up a cause of some kind to at least kinda show they care about something ... W is golfing and doing public speaking engagementss charging an arm and a leg ... :lol:

    ...and working with bill clinton on the haiti relief fund. come on dude. seriously...come on.

    most presidents prefer to leave the spotlight for a good amount of time when they leave the white house out of respect for the current president.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    the thread title should be changed. we all know he is not the worst president ever. he's just not even close to what the media billed him as a few years ago. and the first year and a half has been an abysmal failure.

    more bad news today....95% of the new jobs created last month? temporary census workers! :roll:

    yikes...


    at least mortgage rates will stay low for a little while longer :thumbup:
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  • Pats54
    Pats54 Posts: 276
    The AP headline today that cracked me up was "Angry Obama heads to Gulf Region" The only reason he is angry is b/c is poll numbers are dropping from this environmental disaster. He can't just campaign his way out of this mess like he does with everything else. He has no clue what to do. I guess community organizers don't have these kinds of issues to deal with
  • Pats54
    Pats54 Posts: 276
    The Jeagler wrote:
    the thread title should be changed. we all know he is not the worst president ever. he's just not even close to what the media billed him as a few years ago. and the first year and a half has been an abysmal failure.

    more bad news today....95% of the new jobs created last month? temporary census workers! :roll:

    yikes...


    at least mortgage rates will stay low for a little while longer :thumbup:

    It's called Obanomics. Nothing like good govt. jobs :lol:

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