Random 10 Club Seating - An American Tragedy

robbyblaylock

im from nassau county...too bad im not a thug...i could use a posse to follow me around and watch my back on the beat streets of *insert name of any of the many horrible horrible towns round here*.

anyways, this thread is on a decent path at points. the first post, well i dont know if its a joke but i mean, seriously a bit over the top. i like the idea or randomizing certain rows. let the people who "climbed the ladder" (cough) have a better shot. but dont forget about the people that are there for the same reason.

oh and whoever says the show isnt fun from the back, ive actually sat in the back for two shows that i didnt sit club tickets for and each section was jumping.

you people need to just accept that its not all about prying front row tickets from your "dead hands" (pathetic closing statement by the way). at this point, these shows should just be about being there.

nocode4 wrote:

You don't want to mess with MFC17...he's a Nassau County thug.

Watch it, Suffolk boy.

AmishGuy91

cc10106 wrote:

oh my, look at me. i live in the Northeast and get to see PJ almost every year. i also get no worse than 5th row seats every time too. no way i'd ever enjoy the show from the 15th row!

That's sad...I'd enjoy any Pearl Jam concert no matter where my seats were

NY PJ1

woh woh


cmon kids lets be civil here

josevolution

that's why i'm embarrass to live here with these ....

decides2dream

josevolution wrote:

that's why i'm embarrass to live here with these ....

i would never be embarassed by the behavior of others, it is no reflection on YOU. and, there are PLENTY of very cool people on long island. i will never, ever be embarassed to be a born and bred long islander...i love my island! :cool:


too bad the thread took a tur to the petty though, although it certainly started off with not the best attitude to begin with, i think most actually managed to discuss civillly, and make good points all around. don't think it'll ever be a dull subject.

Rhinocerous Surprise

mfc17 wrote:

touche.....

fuckface.

just trying to stir the pot.

if anyone has reason to be upset, its me.

10 concerts in a row sitting in the row with the bar (believe its called front row...) and now i gotta move to the 3rd.....

thats unacceptable.

but as always, ill try and have a good time.....

Unacceptable? Wow.:D I wish I could live with being so self-important...

4Powers20

decides2dream wrote:

i would never be embarassed by the behavior of others, it is no reflection on YOU. and, there are PLENTY of very cool people on long island. i will never, ever be embarassed to be a born and bred long islander...i love my island! :cool:


too bad the thread took a tur to the petty though, although it certainly started off with not the best attitude to begin with, i think most actually managed to discuss civillly, and make good points all around. don't think it'll ever be a dull subject.

Sorrry if I caused the turn. I thought my "idea" wasnt that bad and pretty fair, but then got hit with a tirade of name calling, and "you will be staring at the back of my head". I guess I would be defensive too if my front row tickets for every show were in jeopardy.

In2Deep

I always usually get the first few rows as well, but a random seating show here and there isn't too bad as long as they play a show and keep the tours by seniority.

As for the Ed shows, I'm just happy to be seeing a part of Pearl Jam. I need that slight fix, because I am not excited about Bonnaroo.

otis mcfluster

Keep in mind kids, these are all small venues--won't be a horrible seat in the house.

decides2dream

you certainly weren't the first to make that suggestion in this thread, amongst many others. it's just sad that many feel the need to get 'defensive'...on either side of the issue, and it's sad that the issue even HAS sides. i understand enjoying what you hae had the privilege of enjoying, but i guess i'd like to think it wouldn't be a *me first* mentality. agin, i am not saying ALL feel that way at all. obviously, everyone discussing it is discussing it from their very personal perspective, but yes...i DO know of quite a few long-time members who DO think it would be cool to allow some newbies what they've had the pleasure of experiencing, etc. and sure, they share and all...but hell yes, who wouldn't take full advantage of a great situation while it lasts? so no faults.....just nice to see a bit more caring perhaps?

Jwmcc

Amazing that in my short time in this pit that this argument has come up in at least twenty different threads.

It never has bothered me really since I'm more of a "just get in the building" type of supporter.

U R A Crazy Breed

GREED - An American Tragedy

Veddernarian

I have been a fan since Howard Stern started talking about them in 1991/1992 as his favorite band at the time, and played a bunch of excerpts from Ten. I got Ten, and then every subsequent album. I had a lot of personal issues including a bad divorce where I had a ton of debt and had to work very hard to overcome it. And by about 2002, I did. No bankruptcies, I did it the hard way. Now that's more of a definition of climbing a ladder. Every Pearl Jam album carried me through all of this. They were the voice of reason. Ed's voice was a voice in my life; every day. I knew about 10c couldn't afford it. I couldn't afford concerts. I am no less a fan of the music than anybody else here. By 2002, I joined 10c. I could afford things by that time. I got a number 25x,xxx. In 2003, I went to my 1st PJ shows. In Irvine, I was 1/2 way back. I couldn't believe all those people in front of me, probably 7500 people, were 10c but I guess they were. The band looked like little bugs from that distance. Couldn't see facial expressions, could see them moving around the stage. Irvine had a big screen so I watched that instead of watching the stage. Sort of like watching TV outside. What's good about that? That's not nearly the same experience as being up front. Then, San Diego, 03. About 40-45 rows back on the floor. A bunch of people taller than me in front of me. I could only see the tops of the bandmember's heads. No screen to watch it on TV. What's good about that? The argument, "Oh just be happy you were there" is utter nonsence. I drove 3 hours in traffic to go down there, and got tickets from a fan club which asserted we'd get better seats than the public, and I couldn't see. So in 06, we complained and got up the sides as opposed to rear floor. Back to seeing bugs from a distance. The thing that gets me is I'm in a way like that 14 year old who by virtue of his age, couldn't get 10c membership until recently, and therefore is banned into a caste system that by formula will forever deny that close up experience. I would like to sit within the first 10 rows at least once. Where I can feel the vibe, actually see their expressions, see them for who they are and what they're doing. I'm not saying all the time. And I understand the challenges of a large membershp and large markets. I would prefer a system where for one show in a tour, 10c members could call it their "preferred" or "home" show. Sort of what I hear 2000 was like. Then, every other show like 2003 and beyond. I think that would get people like me and that 14 year old closer at least once. Because now, the way that it is, I enjoy the DVD's as much if not more.

4Powers20

Veddernarian wrote:

I have been a fan since Howard Stern started talking about them in 1991/1992 as his favorite band at the time, and played a bunch of excerpts from Ten. I got Ten, and then every subsequent album. I had a lot of personal issues including a bad divorce where I had a ton of debt and had to work very hard to overcome it. And by about 2002, I did. No bankruptcies, I did it the hard way. Now that's more of a definition of climbing a ladder. Every Pearl Jam album carried me through all of this. They were the voice of reason. Ed's voice was a voice in my life; every day. I knew about 10c couldn't afford it. I couldn't afford concerts. I am no less a fan of the music than anybody else here. By 2002, I joined 10c. I could afford things by that time. I got a number 25x,xxx. In 2003, I went to my 1st PJ shows. In Irvine, I was 1/2 way back. I couldn't believe all those people in front of me, probably 7500 people, were 10c but I guess they were. The band looked like little bugs from that distance. Couldn't see facial expressions, could see them moving around the stage. Irvine had a big screen so I watched that instead of watching the stage. Sort of like watching TV outside. What's good about that? That's not nearly the same experience as being up front. Then, San Diego, 03. About 40-45 rows back on the floor. A bunch of people taller than me in front of me. I could only see the tops of the bandmember's heads. No screen to watch it on TV. What's good about that? The argument, "Oh just be happy you were there" is utter nonsence. I drove 3 hours in traffic to go down there, and got tickets from a fan club which asserted we'd get better seats than the public, and I couldn't see. So in 06, we complained and got up the sides as opposed to rear floor. Back to seeing bugs from a distance. The thing that gets me is I'm in a way like that 14 year old who by virtue of his age, couldn't get 10c membership until recently, and therefore is banned into a caste system that by formula will forever deny that close up experience. I would like to sit within the first 10 rows at least once. Where I can feel the vibe, actually see their expressions, see them for who they are and what they're doing. I'm not saying all the time. And I understand the challenges of a large membershp and large markets. I would prefer a system where for one show in a tour, 10c members could call it their "preferred" or "home" show. Sort of what I hear 2000 was like. Then, every other show like 2003 and beyond. I think that would get people like me and that 14 year old closer at least once. Because now, the way that it is, I enjoy the DVD's as much if not more.

Be careful. You may upset the Priveledged low numbered.

shadowcast

Here we go again with the seniority thing. Like I said in the past they should do 2-3 shows a year when they play back 2 back nights where they change it up a little bit. But they should never stop the seniority thing.

Foxy Mop

||Release_Me|| wrote:

You've quoted me a couple of times there...

If you look back on my posts, i've not once said that i want to be up front. I really don't care where i sit at a PJ show, BUT i think that there are a lot of people here who never get good seats who want them for just maybe one show so that's why i think a random lottery system for just a few shows each tour is a good idea.

I don't worry about it so much because i'm in Europe so my number means diddly squat when it comes to tickets. I don't see the band going on forever and forever, so for the remainder of their career if the seniority system stays in place then it'll be the same faces at the front possibly until the band retires, and nobody will ever be able to work their way up and get near the front if they want to.

Please read the original footnote in the post you quoted me on:

Foxy Mop wrote:

note: I would find the posts where people have said this, but to be honest I've lost track of them with all the threads that keep popping up. I did copy what someone wrote in this thread, but they made the statement, I believe, in a different context, so I'm not speaking about them directly. It just reminded me of the whole thing.

As I said, I copied, I guess what was your comments, because they reminded me of the issue I have. I also said you probably meant them in a different context, no harm no foul.

I stick true to my belief in the seniority system, though I wouldn't mind them incorporating sporadic randomization - then I too might actually get better seats with my own number, rather than humbly relying the vast graciousness of my friends.

But again, I feel using the "you don't need to sit up front always, every seat in the house is good" argument can be applied on either side of the debate and should be put to rest as an argumentative point.

jbalicki10

Am I the only one here that really doesn't care what the heck happens? I have 185,XXX and no matter what I never get the best seats. I have crappy luck to, so whats the point of worrying? The seats will be at least better than ticketcrapper at least.

Veddernarian

jbalicki10 wrote:

The seats will be at least better than ticketcrapper at least.

How I wish that was true. And I would have had a similar outlook as you if that were true. In San Diego, 03, I was 40-45 rows back on the floor. Couldn't see except the tops of the bandmember's heads. While at the same time, I knew of people who went to T/M and got seats on the side, maybe 5 rows back, and up the side 5 rows, on Mike's side.

When 10c went up the sides, I was in the rafters. Probably the equivalent of 15 rows back from the stage, but right at the center walkway in elevation. Better than 03? Yes, at least I could see. However, T/M was on the side at maybe 20 rows back and a few rows up from the floor. Definitely better seats than mine.

What's funny is I have a pair of Steiner Commander V (http://www.steiner-binoculars.com/binoculars/marine/392.html) Binoculars which originally costed $1299, now retail for about $750 and are absolutely amazing. There are plunger-like cups which go over your eyes, and the amount of light, clarity, etc., is amazing. They are for marine usage and I have a boat. Same ones Dennis Conner used in the America's Cup. Days before my show, 10c comes up with "No Binoculars". I mean, WTF is that all about? They really don't want me to see. Robert Plant didn't mind me using them. I didn't hurt myself or anybody else. Again, I state, WTF!

Anon

chevychase wrote:

You are not born with the right to go see Pearl Jam. It is listed nowhere in the constitution. The 2nd Amendment doesn't read "You have the right to bear arms...and go see Pearl Jam". There are some of us working class Americans that have spent years dilligently working our way up the 10 Club staircase. Inch by inch. Row by row. We have paid too much money in worthless rising membership fees through the years just to keep our seating priority. I'll be damned if I'm going to let my hard earned 12th row tickets go to some sniviling Johnny come lately punk who signed up for the 10 Club three months prior when he heard that New Found Glory was opening for Pearl Jam. You can have my ticket when you can pry it from my cold dead hands.

I am pretty sure Membership Fees are paid to be part of larger group where everyone has common interests etc,.....Perhaps they could start a second Group that is more in tune with your specific interest.......maybe call it the Kleenex Club or the Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa club. Or maybe once you joined they should have closed the doors to the membership, since Joe Cool was already on board.

"Dilligently Working"......ahahahahahahaahahah. "Worthless Rising Membership Fees" ahahahahahaah............ You think you are entitled to something??? You kinda deserve all of this....We all had the same opportunity to get the seats, so whatever I did trumped all your years of hard work. It was exhausting coming in so late in the game, but my hardwork paid off and I will REALLY ENJOY your seats...not only in Santa Barbara, but in LA, San DIego and Berkelely too. So, thank YOU!!!! For all your blood, sweat and (especially) the tears.....

Anon

Veddernarian wrote:

How I wish that was true. And I would have had a similar outlook as you if that were true. In San Diego, 03, I was 40-45 rows back on the floor. Couldn't see except the tops of the bandmember's heads. While at the same time, I knew of people who went to T/M and got seats on the side, maybe 5 rows back, and up the side 5 rows, on Mike's side.

When 10c went up the sides, I was in the rafters. Probably the equivalent of 15 rows back from the stage, but right at the center walkway in elevation. Better than 03? Yes, at least I could see. However, T/M was on the side at maybe 20 rows back and a few rows up from the floor. Definitely better seats than mine.

What's funny is I have a pair of Steiner Commander V (http://www.steiner-binoculars.com/binoculars/marine/392.html) Binoculars which originally costed $1299, now retail for about $750 and are absolutely amazing. There are plunger-like cups which go over your eyes, and the amount of light, clarity, etc., is amazing. They are for marine usage and I have a boat. Same ones Dennis Conner used in the America's Cup. Days before my show, 10c comes up with "No Binoculars". I mean, WTF is that all about? They really don't want me to see. Robert Plant didn't mind me using them. I didn't hurt myself or anybody else. Again, I state, WTF!

I have a pair of Binos too....

http://www.funideas.com/binocularflask.html

They dont help me see anything but Blurry......