The Golf Thread

musicismylife78

its not bizaare at all. That said I dont view him as the number 1 golfer or the most feared one either so that may have something to do with it. Is a victory at the masters out of the question? no. he could still win. But i do think those who suggested he was going to be the same guy he was, dominant, unstoppable, brutal, that he was years ago, are unbelieveably asinine at best.

So much of golf is about shutting out the world, and focusing on that one putt, that one drive, that 1 shot. Tiger is unable to do that. And thats been the case for years. Im interested not in reliving glory days of old, because as was suggested pages ago, the tiger of 2000 is never coming back. Just as the Jordan of 1998 was different than the Jordan of 1991.

Jordan, who I would say is the closest to Tiger in terms of sports dominance, never had the types of personal troubles Tiger has faced for several years now. Although, indeed Jordan lost his dad, and had gambling trouble.

And in this case, I do think, and why would I think otherwise, Tiger has said what was wrong with him. He lost his way. He cheated, lied, lived multiple li(v)es, lost his marriage, was exposed as a fraud and liar in front of the world, and by his own admission lost his faith. Thats not something you get back over night. Nor is it something you block out of your daily life, whether thats as a teacher or a cashier, or in this case the most famous golfer in the world.

Its the mental. Its the spiritual. Winning one tournament doesnt mean squat. Just as a baseball team can win a regular season game and lose in the first round of the playoffs, just as a basketball team can win the most games in the season and lose the finals. Just as a tennis player can win several tournaments leading up to a grand slam but then lose the grand slam.

Tiger wont be back to the tiger of 1999-2000. He has his work cut out for him. He can rearrange the game to suit himself. He can find a great new swing and win the next 20 majors. He can somehow find a way to play hard but be able to protect his body from injury. Its all a matter though of shutting off the noise in his own head, of somehow finding peace with his situation. I dont think that happens overnight. Nor do i think it only takes 2 years to sort out. I think its something he will be dealing with his entire life.

What im facinated by is why would anyone think otherwise?

musicismylife78

Indifference71 wrote:

norm wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

He looked like me on 15 chipping into that bunker....unbelievable.

i thought it was the camera angle but like faldo said, why wasn't his body open more? it's basic chipping...open your body to the left to open the face...totally bizarre

jesus he bogeyed 16 :shock:

Yeah, he has obviously lost it mentally today.

Today? I wish tiger no ill will, if he wins another major that wont effect me at all, but alot of you guys seem to view the guy in some myopic way. He won 1 tournament. A non major. That this win was considered some sort of "comeback", when it really meant nothing, is the real shocking thing to me.

The guys been injured, and unhealthy for awhile. Even ignoring the scandal. His injuries have caused major setbacks in his career, his whole career, but the last few years especially.

Im not sure why people assumed that a win at Bay Hill would lead to a win at Augusta. 2 different courses. 2 different scenarios and conditions. 2 seperate fields of players.

I didnt go into this thinking he'd win. Its just not reality. Its not his recent history. Tiger Woods isnt the only other person who went to Augusta bolstered by a win either.

you can tell im a diciple of jordan. but with him, i remember the bulls. I remember no matter what, even if they were down by 20 in the 4th, i knew they had a chance to win, a fairly good chance. As i said, Tiger could win. But I dont think Tiger commands that much faith as jordan, phil and the bulls did. At 24th, I doubt very many people sit in fear of him coming back to win. But maybe thats what hes been planning on. I doubt it though

eddiec

musicismylife78 wrote:

Its the mental. Its the spiritual. Winning one tournament doesnt mean squat. Just as a baseball team can win a regular season game and lose in the first round of the playoffs, just as a basketball team can win the most games in the season and lose the finals. Just as a tennis player can win several tournaments leading up to a grand slam but then lose the grand slam.

How can you possibly compare golf to basketball??? Even the worst teams in the history of the NBA are going to win games. The golfers on the PGA tour are the best in the world and the majority of them will never win once on the PGA tour.

musicismylife78

eddiec wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Its the mental. Its the spiritual. Winning one tournament doesnt mean squat. Just as a baseball team can win a regular season game and lose in the first round of the playoffs, just as a basketball team can win the most games in the season and lose the finals. Just as a tennis player can win several tournaments leading up to a grand slam but then lose the grand slam.

How can you possibly compare golf to basketball??? Even the worst teams in the history of the NBA are going to win games. The golfers on the PGA tour are the best in the world and the majority of them will never win once on the PGA tour.

ultimately the players speak for themselves, or let their games speak for themselves. MJ did it. Hank Aaron did it. All the legends did it. Even taking into account the aging factor i dont think anyone thinks Tiger is playing anywhere near his best golf. Somethings holding him back. Somethings changed. Whether thats age, injury, boredom, better players in the field than in 2000 and the fact these new players dont fear tiger and actually think they can win against him, a mental block, etc... is anyones guess. my opinion is thats its a combination of all those. The danger in equating a Bay Hill win with "tigers comeback", is that it presupposes that a healthy, mentally calm and serene, and dominant tiger would all result from a win. Thats all im sayin. I dont think a tiger comeback will be measured in wins. I dont think he can win unless he's clearheaded and clear thinking and at peace. Until he finds a way to find that peace, he wont win again, or ever.

musicismylife78

its precisely as the announcers said on 16 or 17. this is possibly the greatest golfer in history, and he doesnt have a clue how to put the clubface to the ball and hit it. I think thats a very telling statement.

Horos

musicismylife78 wrote:

its precisely as the announcers said on 16 or 17. this is possibly the greatest golfer in history, and he doesnt have a clue how to put the clubface to the ball and hit it. I think thats a very telling statement.

This could be your best post ever, but then it's not your words and not 5 frickin' paragraphs long. :twisted:

Horos

Back to The Masters.......

Tiger 2nd on 18 WTF?

Seems like alot of guys a hitting it all over the place. Lead is still the same as it was yesterday. Looks wide open. Going to be fun to watch this weekend.

musicismylife78

Horos wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

its precisely as the announcers said on 16 or 17. this is possibly the greatest golfer in history, and he doesnt have a clue how to put the clubface to the ball and hit it. I think thats a very telling statement.

This could be your best post ever, but then it's not your words and not 5 frickin' paragraphs long. :twisted:

even though you are a fellow eugenean gotta disagree here. Ive always admired people who can sum up things in a small amount of words, im not one of them, nor do i really wish to be. Not to compare myself to Chomsky, but CNN was asked in the 90's why Chomsky was never invited to speak and give his political opinions on the shows. CNN said "we dont have 20 minutes to discuss these issues, we have a few minutes". While golf obviously isnt as important nor as pressing and weighty as say chomsky discussing u.s. foreign policy, the general premise is something I adhere to.

I dont think anyone can sum up whats ailing and bothering and hindering Tiger is a few sentences. Even a few paragraphs. Thats the whole point. Thats why the people who considered him "back to normal" after Bay Hill were childish. Theres been alot going on with him for a long time. You cant sum that up, nor discuss it in a condensed manner, because it isnt condensed. He's got a million things going on with him.

The quote you liked, that the commentator made, is succinct and to the point, and i think its correct. But its just a starting point. The fact that Tiger can't play to his previous standards is a reality, and today he couldnt play at all. We can use hyperbole and wish him to be good again, or back, or winning again, or dominant again, the fact is, he isn't. Plus the commentators stated "wow" and "inexplicable". knowing just the basics of where his head is, the last couple years, i dont find it all that surprising, nor inexplicable. the reasons for his meltdown and inability to win are self evident. Divorce, public humiliation, shame, loss of his father, arrogance, boredom, losing ones way. If those things matter, and can cause one to act in a bizaare manners, then certainly the fact that he can;t play golf like he used to, or at all, is hardly surprising or inexplicable.

eddiec

musicismylife78 wrote:

its precisely as the announcers said on 16 or 17. this is possibly the greatest golfer in history, and he doesnt have a clue how to put the clubface to the ball and hit it. I think thats a very telling statement.

Rory played like an 18 handicapper on the back 9 here one year ago. We all know that mental breakdowns are a part of the game and you can't explain them. Please stop rambling, please.

eddiec

Tigers swing was like an unfolding lawn chair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOT_WygGoLw

Horos

musicismylife78 wrote:

Horos wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

its precisely as the announcers said on 16 or 17. this is possibly the greatest golfer in history, and he doesnt have a clue how to put the clubface to the ball and hit it. I think thats a very telling statement.

This could be your best post ever, but then it's not your words and not 5 frickin' paragraphs long. :twisted:

even though you are a fellow eugenean gotta disagree here. Ive always admired people who can sum up things in a small amount of words, im not one of them, nor do i really wish to be. Not to compare myself to Chomsky, but CNN was asked in the 90's why Chomsky was never invited to speak and give his political opinions on the shows. CNN said "we dont have 20 minutes to discuss these issues, we have a few minutes". While golf obviously isnt as important nor as pressing and weighty as say chomsky discussing u.s. foreign policy, the general premise is something I adhere to.

I dont think anyone can sum up whats ailing and bothering and hindering Tiger is a few sentences. Even a few paragraphs. Thats the whole point. Thats why the people who considered him "back to normal" after Bay Hill were childish. Theres been alot going on with him for a long time. You cant sum that up, nor discuss it in a condensed manner, because it isnt condensed. He's got a million things going on with him.

The quote you liked, that the commentator made, is succinct and to the point, and i think its correct. But its just a starting point. The fact that Tiger can't play to his previous standards is a reality, and today he couldnt play at all. We can use hyperbole and wish him to be good again, or back, or winning again, or dominant again, the fact is, he isn't. Plus the commentators stated "wow" and "inexplicable". knowing just the basics of where his head is, the last couple years, i dont find it all that surprising, nor inexplicable. the reasons for his meltdown and inability to win are self evident. Divorce, public humiliation, shame, loss of his father, arrogance, boredom, losing ones way. If those things matter, and can cause one to act in a bizaare manners, then certainly the fact that he can;t play golf like he used to, or at all, is hardly surprising or inexplicable.

Don't you see though? You've made the same point half a dozen times or more in this thread but each time you use 250 words or more. Other posters might be more interested in what you say if you didn't repeat the same thing over and over. I know I rarely read your whole post because they are long winded and boring. Not to mention your examples are poor and really don't parallel golf.

Wobbie

norm wrote:

tiger's putter is betraying him +2 thru 11

just like he betrayed his family. karma's a bitch

norm

moving day!!!

tiger just bogeyed 6 to drop back to +2, -1 today

norm

well, now that tiger is out of it, let's go phil!

also, it would be cool to see westwood or maybe harrington win it

right now 10 playes are within 3 shots of the lead...friggin' awesome!

Indifference71

musicismylife78 wrote:

Horos wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

its precisely as the announcers said on 16 or 17. this is possibly the greatest golfer in history, and he doesnt have a clue how to put the clubface to the ball and hit it. I think thats a very telling statement.

This could be your best post ever, but then it's not your words and not 5 frickin' paragraphs long. :twisted:

even though you are a fellow eugenean gotta disagree here. Ive always admired people who can sum up things in a small amount of words, im not one of them, nor do i really wish to be. Not to compare myself to Chomsky, but CNN was asked in the 90's why Chomsky was never invited to speak and give his political opinions on the shows. CNN said "we dont have 20 minutes to discuss these issues, we have a few minutes". While golf obviously isnt as important nor as pressing and weighty as say chomsky discussing u.s. foreign policy, the general premise is something I adhere to.

I dont think anyone can sum up whats ailing and bothering and hindering Tiger is a few sentences. Even a few paragraphs. Thats the whole point. Thats why the people who considered him "back to normal" after Bay Hill were childish. Theres been alot going on with him for a long time. You cant sum that up, nor discuss it in a condensed manner, because it isnt condensed. He's got a million things going on with him.

The quote you liked, that the commentator made, is succinct and to the point, and i think its correct. But its just a starting point. The fact that Tiger can't play to his previous standards is a reality, and today he couldnt play at all. We can use hyperbole and wish him to be good again, or back, or winning again, or dominant again, the fact is, he isn't. Plus the commentators stated "wow" and "inexplicable". knowing just the basics of where his head is, the last couple years, i dont find it all that surprising, nor inexplicable. the reasons for his meltdown and inability to win are self evident. Divorce, public humiliation, shame, loss of his father, arrogance, boredom, losing ones way. If those things matter, and can cause one to act in a bizaare manners, then certainly the fact that he can;t play golf like he used to, or at all, is hardly surprising or inexplicable.

Please make it stop!

norm

The back 9 never disappoints ...Phil's lob on 15 was fucking crazy

kevinbeetle

i work on an army base and joined the golf club there last year. decent price. think i pay $79 a month, so $950 a year. costs me $2 every time i want to play 18, discounts on tournaments and other stuff. played only a few times last year, so this year i'm getting my moneys worth. been out twice and shot a 91 and a 92. just cant seem to break 90. so that's my goal this year. constantly shoot high 80s. getting a birdie in a round makes my day, and already had two. golf league starts on the 17th and i can't wait to play more with the chance to win money.

watched a bunch of the masters this weekend. glad to not see tiger in the running tomorrow. seeing him blow up and kick his club yesterday affirmed my hatred for him. just a big old whiner. can't stand him. rarely do you see anyone else pout, scream, toss their clubs when they miss a shot. nice to see lefty coming back with a great round today. that's the guy i want to win.

Bronx Bombers

norm wrote:

The back 9 never disappoints ...Phil's lob on 15 was fucking crazy

That was a badass shot gotta love Phil

Newch91

Looks like Tiger barely has a chance just to get into contention. Go Phil!

BLACK35

Hope this is going to be a classic finish for Sunday at the Masters. Phil is in the hunt, beer in the fridge, some sort of BBQ will be happening today.........AWESOME DAY AHEAD