But you're right, it doesn't apply to the children of ambassadors.
What would “foreigners, aliens” refer to? Is it a run on sentence where it is a foreigner who belongs to the family of an ambassador, or is it in addition to the children of ambassadors? Since it doesn’t use “or” anywhere in the sentence I would interpret it that all babies born in the US are citizens unless born to a foreign diplomat.
Of course the above is not written legislation where grammar would be heavily reviewed, but is a verbal record.
But you're right, it doesn't apply to the children of ambassadors.
What would “foreigners, aliens” refer to? Is it a run on sentence where it is a foreigner who belongs to the family of an ambassador, or is it in addition to the children of ambassadors? Since it doesn’t use “or” anywhere in the sentence I would interpret it that all babies born in the US are citizens unless born to a foreign diplomat.
Of course the above is not written legislation where grammar would be heavily reviewed, but is a verbal record.
But it's irrelevant what one person felt when about the legislation, the text of the amendment is what matters. Second, most importantly, the potus stating that he can waive it away with an EO is the very definition of totalitarianism. The constitution and its amendments are the bedrock of our foundation. Does the the potus get to waive away the first and second with a pen too? Please tell me you see the danger in his statements.
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My opinion is that Team Trump Treason should stop blowing it out his ass as most illegal immigrants arrive by air and overstay their visas, not by pouring over the southern border and he and his family should stop selling condos and apartments to Russians coming here to have anchor babies. Why aren’t we closing the airports? You know, invasion.
Every source I’ve seen puts over 50% of illegal immigrants coming from Mexico, and about 70% coming from Mexico/Central America. So yes, most are coming through the southern border.
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
didn't Obama sign a shitload of EO's?
Typically EOs have had some legislative or judicial precedent behind them and the EO is written in a way to rely on precendent. Its a confirmed right of the executive and I don't have an issue with it being used. However, I do have an issue with how its used. This Administration is justy going willy nilly and not even trying the legislative process first, like Obama did with healthcare, the environment, etc., etc. You want to cancel birthright citizenship? Negotiate it as part of a broader immigration bill, compromise and get it done. And no, there still won't be a wall. But these repub firebrands don't want to do, and don't know how to, and the moderates who do are afraid of being primaried from the right.
To those who want to get rid of birthright citizenship, what determines citizenship?
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
didn't Obama sign a shitload of EO's?
Typically EOs have had some legislative or judicial precedent behind them and the EO is written in a way to rely on precendent. Its a confirmed right of the executive and I don't have an issue with it being used. However, I do have an issue with how its used. This Administration is justy going willy nilly and not even trying the legislative process first, like Obama did with healthcare, the environment, etc., etc. You want to cancel birthright citizenship? Negotiate it as part of a broader immigration bill, compromise and get it done. And no, there still won't be a wall. But these repub firebrands don't want to do, and don't know how to, and the moderates who do are afraid of being primaried from the right.
To those who want to get rid of birthright citizenship, what determines citizenship?
You can't negotiate it to get it done, and it can't be part of a bipartisan agreement. It either needs to be ratified by 2/3 of the states (and Congress) OR there needs to be a Constitutional Convention.
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
didn't Obama sign a shitload of EO's?
Typically EOs have had some legislative or judicial precedent behind them and the EO is written in a way to rely on precendent. Its a confirmed right of the executive and I don't have an issue with it being used. However, I do have an issue with how its used. This Administration is justy going willy nilly and not even trying the legislative process first, like Obama did with healthcare, the environment, etc., etc. You want to cancel birthright citizenship? Negotiate it as part of a broader immigration bill, compromise and get it done. And no, there still won't be a wall. But these repub firebrands don't want to do, and don't know how to, and the moderates who do are afraid of being primaried from the right.
To those who want to get rid of birthright citizenship, what determines citizenship?
You can't negotiate it to get it done, and it can't be part of a bipartisan agreement. It either needs to be ratified by 2/3 of the states (and Congress) OR there needs to be a Constitutional Convention.
I understand that an EO cannot remove birthright citizenship. I was referring to EOs in general and what they address. They don't typically try to address an amendment to the constitution. But Team Trump Treason doesn't know that. And an amendment to the constitution needs to be passed by 2/3rds of congress, both houses, first and then 2/3rds of the states. Or a constitutional convention. And EOs have acheck in the judiciary but we know how thats going.
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
didn't Obama sign a shitload of EO's?
Typically EOs have had some legislative or judicial precedent behind them and the EO is written in a way to rely on precendent. Its a confirmed right of the executive and I don't have an issue with it being used. However, I do have an issue with how its used. This Administration is justy going willy nilly and not even trying the legislative process first, like Obama did with healthcare, the environment, etc., etc. You want to cancel birthright citizenship? Negotiate it as part of a broader immigration bill, compromise and get it done. And no, there still won't be a wall. But these repub firebrands don't want to do, and don't know how to, and the moderates who do are afraid of being primaried from the right.
To those who want to get rid of birthright citizenship, what determines citizenship?
You can't negotiate it to get it done, and it can't be part of a bipartisan agreement. It either needs to be ratified by 2/3 of the states (and Congress) OR there needs to be a Constitutional Convention.
I understand that an EO cannot remove birthright citizenship. I was referring to EOs in general and what they address. They don't typically try to address an amendment to the constitution. But Team Trump Treason doesn't know that. And an amendment to the constitution needs to be passed by 2/3rds of congress, both houses, first and then 2/3rds of the states. Or a constitutional convention. And EOs have acheck in the judiciary but we know how thats going.
Ok I see. Because you were talking about immigration, I thought you meant putting the 14th through legislation.
But you're right, it doesn't apply to the children of ambassadors.
What would “foreigners, aliens” refer to? Is it a run on sentence where it is a foreigner who belongs to the family of an ambassador, or is it in addition to the children of ambassadors? Since it doesn’t use “or” anywhere in the sentence I would interpret it that all babies born in the US are citizens unless born to a foreign diplomat.
Of course the above is not written legislation where grammar would be heavily reviewed, but is a verbal record.
But it's irrelevant what one person felt when about the legislation, the text of the amendment is what matters. Second, most importantly, the potus stating that he can waive it away with an EO is the very definition of totalitarianism. The constitution and its amendments are the bedrock of our foundation. Does the the potus get to waive away the first and second with a pen too? Please tell me you see the danger in his statements.
The text is what is being debated. I don't think the President can or should do an executive order, but the language isn't 100% clear in the amendment, which is why you would look at the debates and discussions that led to it to interpret it. I don't think we should change the current interpretation either, but I can see both sides of the argument.
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
didn't Obama sign a shitload of EO's?
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President
Total Executive Orders
41
George H. W. Bush
166
42
Bill Clinton
364
43
George W. Bush
291
44
Barack Obama
276
And right now Trump is on pace to out-Executive Order every single one of them.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
But you're right, it doesn't apply to the children of ambassadors.
What would “foreigners, aliens” refer to? Is it a run on sentence where it is a foreigner who belongs to the family of an ambassador, or is it in addition to the children of ambassadors? Since it doesn’t use “or” anywhere in the sentence I would interpret it that all babies born in the US are citizens unless born to a foreign diplomat.
Of course the above is not written legislation where grammar would be heavily reviewed, but is a verbal record.
But it's irrelevant what one person felt when about the legislation, the text of the amendment is what matters. Second, most importantly, the potus stating that he can waive it away with an EO is the very definition of totalitarianism. The constitution and its amendments are the bedrock of our foundation. Does the the potus get to waive away the first and second with a pen too? Please tell me you see the danger in his statements.
The text is what is being debated. I don't think the President can or should do an executive order, but the language isn't 100% clear in the amendment, which is why you would look at the debates and discussions that led to it to interpret it. I don't think we should change the current interpretation either, but I can see both sides of the argument.
More importantly than the text of debates, you would look for judicial precedent and rulings from previous challenges. This was done previously and the court decided it means what it means, this codifying the law. You need to have an EO that challenges the interpretation on a different premise in order to have a better shot at the court ruling the EO is constitutional. An EO something like, “No child born to a mother and father, both of whom are not or we’re not US citizens by age 16, prior to birth of the child in any US state or territory, shall not be granted a social security number, nor be a citizen, effective immediately.” Then legal challenges can be filed, arguments will be made, wind its way up to the Supreme Court and a decision rendered. As opposed to just issuing an EO that strikes the particular language in question. Can’t do that.
And how it’s written matters. A lot. Words selected, punctuation used and where as it’s all open to interpretation, “child” versus “person” or something other than “parents.” What about a citizen giving birth in surrogacy for a foreigner, single woman?
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
didn't Obama sign a shitload of EO's?
#
President
Total Executive Orders
41
George H. W. Bush
166
42
Bill Clinton
364
43
George W. Bush
291
44
Barack Obama
276
And right now Trump is on pace to out-Executive Order every single one of them.
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
didn't Obama sign a shitload of EO's?
#
President
Total Executive Orders
41
George H. W. Bush
166
42
Bill Clinton
364
43
George W. Bush
291
44
Barack Obama
276
And right now Trump is on pace to out-Executive Order every single one of them.
But he'll never catch FDR!
Because he'll never have have a good enough reason to.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Once 20 year olds in college who have never been outside of the USA start getting kicked out of the country, I doubt so many people will be in favour of a such a thing.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
didn't Obama sign a shitload of EO's?
#
President
Total Executive Orders
41
George H. W. Bush
166
42
Bill Clinton
364
43
George W. Bush
291
44
Barack Obama
276
And right now Trump is on pace to out-Executive Order every single one of them.
But he'll never catch FDR!
Because he'll never have have a good enough reason to.
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
didn't Obama sign a shitload of EO's?
#
President
Total Executive Orders
41
George H. W. Bush
166
42
Bill Clinton
364
43
George W. Bush
291
44
Barack Obama
276
And right now Trump is on pace to out-Executive Order every single one of them.
I believe that as of June this year, 17 months into his presidency, he was at 77 EOs
I think birthright citizenship is dumb as hell. But Trump can't just get rid of it through an executive order. Although...it is fun to see Trump basically say "Fuck the constitution" because conservatives fucking love the constitution. It puts the Paul Ryans of the world in a tough spot where they have to defend both the constitution, and the president who's never read it.
Every Executive Order a President does is like an F U to the constitution and congress and the senate.
It's what a president does to move his agenda along when they know it won't pass through as a bipartisan bill.
didn't Obama sign a shitload of EO's?
#
President
Total Executive Orders
41
George H. W. Bush
166
42
Bill Clinton
364
43
George W. Bush
291
44
Barack Obama
276
And right now Trump is on pace to out-Executive Order every single one of them.
I believe that as of June this year, 17 months into his presidency, he was at 77 EOs
In fairness, most of them are really stupid and just two bit marketing.
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He doesn't want to ban ALL immigrants, he just wants common sense citizen control.
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Of course the above is not written legislation where grammar would be heavily reviewed, but is a verbal record.
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To those who want to get rid of birthright citizenship, what determines citizenship?
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And how it’s written matters. A lot. Words selected, punctuation used and where as it’s all open to interpretation, “child” versus “person” or something other than “parents.” What about a citizen giving birth in surrogacy for a foreigner, single woman?
And define “citizen.”
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