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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    That would make you happy wouldn't it.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,663
    unsung said:
    That would make you happy wouldn't it.
    No, not at all. As usual, no one really knows what your "solution" is though. Its a loaded word in this context, speaking of Nazi comparisons and coming from someone who fears elimination of the white race.
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Yawn.

    The simple solution is to stop them from crossing.  Generally when a person is seeking asylum from a situation in their country they either go to an emabassy or travel to the next country.

    They don't travel multiple countries to find a host that they can bleed dry of the host resources.

    It really is our fault for offering endless economic incentives.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,663
    unsung said:
    Yawn.

    The simple solution is to stop them from crossing.  Generally when a person is seeking asylum from a situation in their country they either go to an emabassy or travel to the next country.

    They don't travel multiple countries to find a host that they can bleed dry of the host resources.

    It really is our fault for offering endless economic incentives.
    “Bleed dry?” Your level of ignorance regarding the economic contributions to GNP of illegal immigrants is astounding. Are you for building the big, most beautiful wall?
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,833
    unsung said:
    Yawn.

    The simple solution is to stop them from crossing.  Generally when a person is seeking asylum from a situation in their country they either go to an emabassy or travel to the next country.

    They don't travel multiple countries to find a host that they can bleed dry of the host resources.

    It really is our fault for offering endless economic incentives.
    You keep claiming that real asylum seekers would just go the the embassy. Have you ever checked to see if that is in fact true?

    Because I just checked, and one can not claim asylum or make a refugee claim at an embassy or consulate. It must be done at a border. 

    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-obtain-protection-us-embassy-consulate.html
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,663
    unsung said:
    Yawn.

    The simple solution is to stop them from crossing.  Generally when a person is seeking asylum from a situation in their country they either go to an emabassy or travel to the next country.

    They don't travel multiple countries to find a host that they can bleed dry of the host resources.

    It really is our fault for offering endless economic incentives.
    You keep claiming that real asylum seekers would just go the the embassy. Have you ever checked to see if that is in fact true?

    Because I just checked, and one can not claim asylum or make a refugee claim at an embassy or consulate. It must be done at a border. 

    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-obtain-protection-us-embassy-consulate.html
    Not surprised.
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,833
    edited June 2018
    unsung said:
    Yawn.

    The simple solution is to stop them from crossing.  Generally when a person is seeking asylum from a situation in their country they either go to an emabassy or travel to the next country.

    They don't travel multiple countries to find a host that they can bleed dry of the host resources.

    It really is our fault for offering endless economic incentives.
    You keep claiming that real asylum seekers would just go the the embassy. Have you ever checked to see if that is in fact true?

    Because I just checked, and one can not claim asylum or make a refugee claim at an embassy or consulate. It must be done at a border. 

    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-obtain-protection-us-embassy-consulate.html
    Not surprised.
    Well, I am. Shocked, in fact. The right wing talking heads keep saying it on Twitter so I assumed it must be true. 
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    unsung said:
    Yawn.

    The simple solution is to stop them from crossing.  Generally when a person is seeking asylum from a situation in their country they either go to an emabassy or travel to the next country.

    They don't travel multiple countries to find a host that they can bleed dry of the host resources.

    It really is our fault for offering endless economic incentives.
    You keep claiming that real asylum seekers would just go the the embassy. Have you ever checked to see if that is in fact true?

    Because I just checked, and one can not claim asylum or make a refugee claim at an embassy or consulate. It must be done at a border. 

    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-obtain-protection-us-embassy-consulate.html
    Yeah, keep reading...

    Either way a border exists between theirs and the US.  Stop there.




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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,663
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Yawn.

    The simple solution is to stop them from crossing.  Generally when a person is seeking asylum from a situation in their country they either go to an emabassy or travel to the next country.

    They don't travel multiple countries to find a host that they can bleed dry of the host resources.

    It really is our fault for offering endless economic incentives.
    You keep claiming that real asylum seekers would just go the the embassy. Have you ever checked to see if that is in fact true?

    Because I just checked, and one can not claim asylum or make a refugee claim at an embassy or consulate. It must be done at a border. 

    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-obtain-protection-us-embassy-consulate.html
    Yeah, keep reading...

    Either way a border exists between theirs and the US.  Stop there.




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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,833
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Yawn.

    The simple solution is to stop them from crossing.  Generally when a person is seeking asylum from a situation in their country they either go to an emabassy or travel to the next country.

    They don't travel multiple countries to find a host that they can bleed dry of the host resources.

    It really is our fault for offering endless economic incentives.
    You keep claiming that real asylum seekers would just go the the embassy. Have you ever checked to see if that is in fact true?

    Because I just checked, and one can not claim asylum or make a refugee claim at an embassy or consulate. It must be done at a border. 

    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-obtain-protection-us-embassy-consulate.html
    Yeah, keep reading...

    Either way a border exists between theirs and the US.  Stop there.




    Temporary protection does not equal asylum. 

    Yeah, keep reading. 
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,848
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    The Nazi comparisons really are hysterical.  All you are doing in minimizing the Holocaust.  At least keep the comparison in context.
    Geezuz Unsung.

    Nobody is comparing this point in time to the aftermath of the Holocaust. They're expressing that there are similarities between now and the outset of the Nazi part and its ambitions.

    Its hysterical if you can't acknowledge these which are obvious as the nose
    on your face.
    Thirty all the Nazi comparisons do is minimize what happened during that time, as if the plights are the same.  It is ridiculous.  A closer comparison would be the internment camps where FDR locked away people, mainly because they didn't GET MURDERED.

    By all means keep the comparisons coming and when Trump get re-elected you only have to look in the mirror as why.  

    Nobody is buying the Nazi comparison.
    people are comparing it to the RISE of Naziism, not to the aftermath. 

    when Trump was in South Carolina at a rally last night, he fucking said "the media is the enemy of the people". 

    imagine if (non-wanna-be) dictators used twitter. I'd imagine they'd sound quite a bit like Trump. 

    and "maxine waters, an extraordinarily low IQ person...". forget the horrendous structure of that sentence, the absolute immaturity and idiocy it takes to write something like that is astounding. 
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,848
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,848
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.
    economically. 
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.
    economically. 
    You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

    And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    I think Canada is close to capacity ... I know we are the 2nd largest country on the planet ... but much of Canada no - one wants to live there.

    I believe I read somewhere that 80% of the Canadian population is in the bottom 5% of the country.  Most of these asylum seekers have never dealt with the cold they face in Canada ... so I only think is natural that they'd migrate to the warmest areas of the country, then there is the assimilation factor and services.  The services that asylum seekers need are in the larger cities.  In our local paper they had a storey about Syrian refugees that migrated to Newfoundland and are now headed to Ontario for better weather and services.  
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.
    economically. 
    You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

    And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.
    Immigrants, for whatever reason, have well earned reputations for working their asses off and rising through economic classes quickly, pulling their local economies right along with them.
    There's a reason that foreign owned small businesses is such a strong cliché/stereotype.

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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.
    economically. 
    You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

    And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.
    I fail to see how they help the economy?  The Ontario government spends around 11000 per child to educate, Many of the asylum seeker have more than 3 kids ... 3 kids alone is $33000/ year in services ... these asylum seekers will never pay that amount of tax, not the mention the extra strain on our government run health care.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    By the way Trudeau cabinet doesn't recognize the face of canada...

    That idiot Trudeau missed a real opportunity with electoral reform by not setting First Nation ridings only ... First Nation reserves should have their own MP's and MPP's ... I want our First Nations to have a much stronger voice in government.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.
    economically. 
    You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

    And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.
    I fail to see how they help the economy?  The Ontario government spends around 11000 per child to educate, Many of the asylum seeker have more than 3 kids ... 3 kids alone is $33000/ year in services ... these asylum seekers will never pay that amount of tax, not the mention the extra strain on our government run health care.

    Yeah this was the answer I kinda looking for. I think it's a stress on the American (or in this case, Canadian) government to provide for these asylum seekers. It doesn't seem like it helps the economy like HFD has suggested it does.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,626
    edited June 2018
    unsung said:
    The Nazi comparisons really are hysterical.  All you are doing in minimizing the Holocaust.  At least keep the comparison in context.
    Geezuz Unsung.

    Nobody is comparing this point in time to the aftermath of the Holocaust. They're expressing that there are similarities between now and the outset of the Nazi part and its ambitions.

    Its hysterical if you can't acknowledge these which are obvious as the nose
    on your face.
    Exactly. It's like unsung is under the impression that the Nazi Party in Germany is ONLY about the holocaust, like somehow all those years prior to WWII are meaningless and offer no political lessons or reference points. It's also like he is incapable of understanding the definitions of "parallels", "similarities" and "comparisons", and can't understand the concept of context. It's so dumb I find it hard to believe he really can't manage to wrap his head around it. Suggesting that the comparisons made to Nazi Party tactics minimize the holocaust is mindblowingly moronic. But I know it's yet another little argument the alt-right loves to spew, since they have no real defense. When all else fails, spew stupid bullshit.
    BTW unsung, while the Japanese internment camps are ANOTHER thing to compare Trump's border crackdown to, as George Takei (who was in the those camps) mentioned, even the Japanese internment camp program didn't dare to separate children from their parents.... You know that something can be compared to multiple things, right? There are loads of horrific political regimes or government actions from throughout history that we can easily find parallels to when it comes to Trump's actions and tactics. It's just that the MOST similarities are found in the Nazi political regime's tactics.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.
    economically. 
    You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

    And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.
    I fail to see how they help the economy?  The Ontario government spends around 11000 per child to educate, Many of the asylum seeker have more than 3 kids ... 3 kids alone is $33000/ year in services ... these asylum seekers will never pay that amount of tax, not the mention the extra strain on our government run health care.

    Yeah this was the answer I kinda looking for. I think it's a stress on the American (or in this case, Canadian) government to provide for these asylum seekers. It doesn't seem like it helps the economy like HFD has suggested it does.
    It's a huge strain.  We regularly can wait 8+ hours in the ER.  The other problem that you never hear discussed is that many of these immigrants and migrants live multiple families to a single dwelling house but only pay a single property/education tax...unless I'm mistaken...but I now I pay my taxes and there is no where that ask if more than 1 family resides in this residence.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.
    economically. 
    You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

    And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.
    I fail to see how they help the economy?  The Ontario government spends around 11000 per child to educate, Many of the asylum seeker have more than 3 kids ... 3 kids alone is $33000/ year in services ... these asylum seekers will never pay that amount of tax, not the mention the extra strain on our government run health care.

    Yeah this was the answer I kinda looking for. I think it's a stress on the American (or in this case, Canadian) government to provide for these asylum seekers. It doesn't seem like it helps the economy like HFD has suggested it does.
    It's a huge strain.  We regularly can wait 8+ hours in the ER.  The other problem that you never hear discussed is that many of these immigrants and migrants live multiple families to a single dwelling house but only pay a single property/education tax...unless I'm mistaken...but I now I pay my taxes and there is no where that ask if more than 1 family resides in this residence.
    Our federal government just gave Ontario 50 million to help cope ... why not 50 million to help the homeless/homeless vets in which case many of these people are unemployable...pretty sad how our government treats the least vulnerable.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.
    economically. 
    You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

    And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.
    I fail to see how they help the economy?  The Ontario government spends around 11000 per child to educate, Many of the asylum seeker have more than 3 kids ... 3 kids alone is $33000/ year in services ... these asylum seekers will never pay that amount of tax, not the mention the extra strain on our government run health care.
    You fail to see it because you fail to do the research to come up with an educated answer. Throughout every thread related to immigration the info has been been provided.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,848
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.
    economically. 
    You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

    And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.
    I fail to see how they help the economy?  The Ontario government spends around 11000 per child to educate, Many of the asylum seeker have more than 3 kids ... 3 kids alone is $33000/ year in services ... these asylum seekers will never pay that amount of tax, not the mention the extra strain on our government run health care.

    Yeah this was the answer I kinda looking for. I think it's a stress on the American (or in this case, Canadian) government to provide for these asylum seekers. It doesn't seem like it helps the economy like HFD has suggested it does.
    https://www.cgdev.org/blog/real-economic-cost-accepting-refugees
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

    Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...
    There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?
    What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.
    economically. 
    You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

    And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.
    I fail to see how they help the economy?  The Ontario government spends around 11000 per child to educate, Many of the asylum seeker have more than 3 kids ... 3 kids alone is $33000/ year in services ... these asylum seekers will never pay that amount of tax, not the mention the extra strain on our government run health care.

    Yeah this was the answer I kinda looking for. I think it's a stress on the American (or in this case, Canadian) government to provide for these asylum seekers. It doesn't seem like it helps the economy like HFD has suggested it does.
    Wait? Instead of doing a little research to find some facts you settle for "the answer I kinda looking for", from a guy providing an uniformed opinion? 

    Yikes.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,848

    https://globalnews.ca/news/2228972/reality-check-are-refugees-an-economic-burden/


    A study released this week from Oxford Economics, a U.K-based forecasting and analysis firm, estimated the impact 1 million new asylum-seekers will have on Germany, the world’s fourth-biggest economy. The researcher found that if Germany accepted an extra 1 million refugees over the next three years, it “could raise GDP by 0.6% by end-2020 and reduce inflationary pressures.”

    That boost to Germany’s GDP, according to the Oxford Economics research, would come thanks to a “rise in the labour supply” which would also “ease growing supply bottlenecks in the labour market and ease wage pressures.”

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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303

    https://globalnews.ca/news/2228972/reality-check-are-refugees-an-economic-burden/


    A study released this week from Oxford Economics, a U.K-based forecasting and analysis firm, estimated the impact 1 million new asylum-seekers will have on Germany, the world’s fourth-biggest economy. The researcher found that if Germany accepted an extra 1 million refugees over the next three years, it “could raise GDP by 0.6% by end-2020 and reduce inflationary pressures.”

    That boost to Germany’s GDP, according to the Oxford Economics research, would come thanks to a “rise in the labour supply” which would also “ease growing supply bottlenecks in the labour market and ease wage pressures.”

    Stop with the facts, it doesn't fit my opinion.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,848
    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/11/26/refugees-economy-canada_n_8658076.html

    The recent news that settling 25,000 Syrian refugees in Canada will cost $1.2 billion over the next six years has some questioning whether the government’s humanitarian mission is worth the price.

    But many experts say cost is just one side of the equation. On the other side are the economic benefits to be had from the arrival of refugees from a country known for its relatively skilled work force.

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