14 years and counting...

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gimmesometruth27 wrote:

scb wrote:

ENGLISH LESSON FOR TODAY: "Illegal" is an adjective, not a noun.

If you're going to live in our country, please show some respect and learn the language.

exactly...when did "illegals" become a common plural noun??? probably about the same time "nuclear" became "nukuler"...

I think its use as a noun is (or at least was originally) meant to dehumanize the people to whom it refers.

Kat

I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

signed,
Citizen of Earth
(who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

meme

Kat wrote:

I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

signed,
Citizen of Earth
(who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

Oh, when I saw the name of the last poster I thought the thread had degenerated and was going to be closed. But no, she comes in peace!

I think we need to acknowledge that citizenship in certain countries nowadays is a privilege, and we have little to offer as justification for keeping it all to ourselves.

know1

Kat wrote:

I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

signed,
Citizen of Earth
(who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

Yep - that's what I said earlier. People are people. They should be able to go and live and work and join society wherever they choose with a minimum of hassle.

Byrnzie

Kat wrote:

I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

signed,
Citizen of Earth
(who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

Exactly.

As Bill Hicks pointed out, the world is round.

arq

Kat wrote:

I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

signed,
Citizen of Earth
(who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

From this distant vantage point, the Earth might not seem of particular interest. But for us, it's different. Consider again that dot. That's here, that's home, that's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

Carl Sagan

That little thing there is the Earth

Dirtie_Frank

scb wrote:

ENGLISH LESSON FOR TODAY: "Illegal" is an adjective, not a noun.

If you're going to live in our country, please show some respect and learn the language.

That goes for the illegal aliens to right? :roll:

Eliot Rosewater

Kat wrote:

I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

signed,
Citizen of Earth
(who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

Amen, sister.

acoustic guy

Kat wrote:

I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

signed,
Citizen of Earth
(who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

If only it was that simple......

Eliot Rosewater

acoustic guy wrote:

Kat wrote:

I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

signed,
Citizen of Earth
(who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

If only it was that simple......

It certainly can be that simple.

dimitrispearljam

acoustic guy wrote:

Kat wrote:

I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

signed,
Citizen of Earth
(who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

If only it was that simple......

true that ,but u know what?we can all be ok and live happy..im not giving up..ill try to do my best from my spot

Byrnzie

acoustic guy wrote:

Kat wrote:

I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

signed,
Citizen of Earth
(who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

If only it was that simple......

It is that simple. It's a choice you can make. It's called evolution. I mean it's not as if a country or a flag is a real, tangible thing anyway. They're just ideas in your head. We just need to move beyond these abstract notions and see the bigger picture. The poor black farmer in Africa is no less your brother than the accountant living next door. We all share the same planet, and we all have a very limited time on this Earth to do so.

arq

Byrnzie wrote:

...It is that simple. It's a choice you can make. It's called evolution...

A journey of a thousand miles starts with one step...

redrock

Byrnzie wrote:

It is that simple. It's a choice you can make. It's called evolution. I mean it's not as if a country or a flag is a real, tangible thing anyway. They're just ideas in your head. We just need to move beyond these abstract notions and see the bigger picture. The poor black farmer in Africa is no less your brother than the accountant living next door. We all share the same planet, and we all have a very limited time on this Earth to do so.

My family is 'multi-national' (very!), I have lived and worked in various countries and all I can say is that think it may be easier for those who have travelled a lot and lived outside their 'home' country to understand this. Blinkers are then removed and one can really see that all these borders are 'artificial'. We all aspire to the same things: happiness, health, a good life. We have no right to tell someone they cannot hope to achieve this because they are not doing it in what is deemed their homeland. Free movement made us, enriched us - why this need to curtail it?

arq

redrock wrote:

...it may be easier for those who have traveled a lot and lived outside their 'home' country to understand this. Blinkers are then removed and one can really see that all these borders are 'artificial'.?...

Couldn't agree more, you have to step outside your "comfort zone" (country), once you live outside your country you begin to appreciate more your own country but at the same time you start to see what's wrong with those believe we hang on to for too long, they start to appear somehow silly, also you start to see the people for what they are (human beings) not for where they come from.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

people are always gonna see their immediate family and friends as most important, and the level of indifference radiating out from there. when there are ten billion peolpe crawling around on Erath in 50 years, thats only gonna get stronger.

cajunkiwi

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

scb wrote:

ENGLISH LESSON FOR TODAY: "Illegal" is an adjective, not a noun.

If you're going to live in our country, please show some respect and learn the language.

That goes for the illegal aliens to right? :roll:

It most definitely goes for people who don't know the to/too/two rule who think they can pass judgment on another person's language skills.

cajunkiwi

battan1120 wrote:

Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

That would aaaaaaaaaaaaalmost be humorous if it wasn't for the fact that Obama is deporting more illegal immigrants from Mexico than Bush did.

cajunkiwi

acoustic guy wrote:

catefrances wrote:

well without immigration i wouldnt be living in australia.... so im all for it.

So how did you come to live there?
Do you have a Green Card? Is it the same process to live there then here?

Is it as easy to get into Oz as it is to get into NZ? If you are young and have a college degree, we'll do everything short of pay your mortgage for you lol I'm all for immigration too, as long as the person is contributing to society - and as far as I'm concerned, a guy mowing lawns or building a house is contributing just as much as a CEO (possibly moreso - landscapers don't run ponzi schemes).

Without going into too much detail again, it's bloody damn near impossible to get into America legally - the whole system is set up to keep people out. USCIS makes rules on a whim and then doesn't follow them, they charge an arm and a leg for the most mundane things - and then make you repeat the mundane things at every step of the way (and charge you anew each time).

I have a hunch, just my gut feeling, that if more Americans knew just what you had to go through to get into this country legally, then they wouldn't take such a harsh view of the people who come in illegally.

arq

cajunkiwi wrote:

Is it as easy to get into Oz as it is to get into NZ? If you are young and have a college degree, we'll do everything short of pay your mortgage for you lol ...

Well well NZ sounds interesting!!! Pearl Jam still tours around that area, my best friend live in australia and my brother in law too... Still the USA is a my second home now.

I love this country but you're right I've paid almost $20,000 on immigration and 6 years of my life and I'm not even a resident I'm just a legal alien but with no rights or benefits, plus i pay taxes and i invest a in this country since i arrived I've been traveling to see PJ and Ed here in the USA so that should count as an investment, does it?