14 years and counting...

acoustic guy

Cosmo wrote:

unsung wrote:

Legal is good, illegal is bad.

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Other than the legal status... what is the difference?
I'm serious... what is the difference between the two... other than one has the legal documents in his possession and the other one doesn't? Does not having the proper paperwork declare who is 'Good' and who is 'Bad'?
If not... what is the difference and makes one good and the other, bad?

One: Most likely the illegal is being paid under the table so they are not paying taxes like we are.
Two: They don't have Insurance yet if they get hurt they can walk into a Hospital and they will be treated, Then we have to pay for it in one way or another.
Three: Legals have shown respect and took the time to go through to proper procedure. They have shown they want to live here and be a part of the country, not just take what they want from the land then leave.

acoustic guy

{quote} Let me make this as simple as i can...
Do the American workers want to become Saudi Arabia or Iraq citizens? Yes/No
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Point... not all Mexicans want to become American Citizens. They are only here because this is where they can find work. Their families and homes are in their native land. They care about learning English about the same as an American wants to learn conversational Arabic.
Seriously... i don't know how to make this any simplier.[/quote]

So you think anyone who wants to use this country and do what they please should be able to do it?
This is not Mexico. Its not a State in Mexico. Its America. A whole different country and just because its on the border of Mexico does not mean anyone from any country can come and go as they please and disrespect the land.
You are nuts. You are comparing APPLES AND ORANGES. You're argument makes no sense.

Cosmo

acoustic guy wrote:

One: Most likely the illegal is being paid under the table so they are not paying taxes like we are.

Who is paying the Illegal worker sub-standard wages under the table? And if they had the proper paperwork... wouldn't they have worker's rights to minimum wages and State Health and Regulations?

acoustic guy wrote:

Two: They don't have Insurance yet if they get hurt they can walk into a Hospital and they will be treated, Then we have to pay for it in one way or another.

But.. so do millions of Americans without insurance. They walk into Hospitals and get treatment. What should we do about them?

acoustic guy wrote:

Three: Legals have shown respect and took the time to go through to proper procedure. They have shown they want to live here and be a part of the country, not just take what they want from the land then leave.

Yet... many of them find communities where people speak the same language as them. That is why you see signs for businesses written in Spanish, Vietnamese, Korean, etc... as you drive through certain parts of the city. And many of those naturalized American Citizens send money back to their native lands because moderate living here translates to vast wealth back home. Is that good or bad?
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Point being... Legal does not mean 'Good' (ref. Times Square Attempted Bomber... he went through proper procedures)... and not all illegals are bad. And having the right paperwork does not change that.

catefrances

well without immigration i wouldnt be living in australia.... so im all for it.

Cosmo

acoustic guy wrote:

So you think anyone who wants to use this country and do what they please should be able to do it?
This is not Mexico. Its not a State in Mexico. Its America. A whole different country and just because its on the border of Mexico does not mean anyone from any country can come and go as they please and disrespect the land.
You are nuts. You are comparing APPLES AND ORANGES. You're argument makes no sense.

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Where have I said ANYTHING of the sort? Where?
I am just saying that your basic premise... "They come here wanting to become citizens.." in ill-informed at best... purely moronic at worst.
I am not saying I think they should be here or not... i am just saying that they are here because AMERICANS HIRE THEM!!!
They don't give a shit about America because it's just a place to earn money... JUST AS the Americans working overseas don't give a shit about that country.
It is about WHERE the work is and WHO is paying.
I don't make sense to you because you can only see what you want to see and are incapable of even imagining what it is like to see the world through someone else's eyes.
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Now... it's a simple fucking question with a yes or no answer...
Do the Americans working in Saudi Arabia or Iraq want to become Saudi or Iraqi citizens? YES or NO?

MoonTurtle

Sooo when you say new country, where exactly is this? I've been wanting to go to a country that no one's slept in because you know it's rare to come upon a bridge that has not been around or been stepped on.

Yep, they sneak in, these non-humans. They want human rights?? Que? Estas loco!!! It is kind of like they fail to obey...they fail to obey.

Wait illegals work? When you say illegals you do mean undocumented humans, right? Some of them are good as you say, just like citizens right? Some of them are good, others, nah, not so much.

Because you know these illegals, I believe you when you say they send all their money to their homeland. Ever since this new country started they give all illegals free room and board.

It sure does hurt the economy of this new country, I mean illegals make at least $45k a year.

These stores you speak of, that are owned by people of the same culture or race, it really sucks! They don't pay rent, taxes or buy merchandise to supply their stores from this new country. They have it shipped from their homeland!!!! Where the illegals are sending their $45k anyway!

Ahh the Mexicans! Those White Male American Mexicans, they do have automatic advantages! It is like they won the lottery when they are born, those white Mexican Americans, they do no wrong, so clean cut.

I'll tell you what truly bothers me -- those that scream learn the language. They mean learn English, yet they do not know enough English to clearly state their complaints about other humans wanting what their own descendants wanted.

Another thing that bothers me -- racial profiling of undocumented immigrants. Why is it that it is those with color on their skin that are always to blame for everything wrong with undocumented immigrants? There are plenty of White European undocumented immigrants in the US, yet they are never the poster child.


http://www.irishcentral.com/story/advic ... 81717.html

http://missionlocal.org/2010/03/as-tax- ... countants/

By the way Hispanic/Latino is not a race.

acoustic guy wrote:

If you want to be a citizen in a new country you need to do it legally!
I hate it when people think they have all these rights when they are not legal citizens then sneak in and say they want more rights. Its a slap in our faces IMO.
I know many illegals that work in my community. Some are good people with good families but the way they came here and the way they abuse and beat the system is not right.
One of the worst parts about it is that they send ALL their money to their home land wich hurts the flow of the economic system in the US. Many Latinos and Indians that I have known send ALL their money home. They dont put anything back into the community. If they shop, they buy from stores that are owned by people that are the same culture or race.
Many mexican families have many children here so that automaticly gives them advantages because the child is now a citizen.
As far as borders...how on earth can you think its smart to have open borders and let everyone come and go as they please??? Ridiculous!
And when some of you say "we are all immigrants?" Okay...well if ya keep allowing more and more people on your boat, sooner or later its gonna sink. Then where are you? S.O.L!
Freedom is not Free.
You want to be an American Citizen? Take the correct steps and show respect to the country you want to live in, pay taxes like everybody else, learn the language, give back to the community.....pretty simple I think
Right or wrong, its my opinion.

acoustic guy

catefrances wrote:

well without immigration i wouldnt be living in australia.... so im all for it.

So how did you come to live there?
Do you have a Green Card? Is it the same process to live there then here?

arq

It seems like there's no middle ground in this topic

Eliot Rosewater

arq wrote:

It seems like there's no middle ground in this topic

Because it's those of us with souls vs. the soulless.

It's hard to sort of have a soul. You either do or you don't.

unsung

Ignorance must really be bliss. I invite those with *souls* to come back to reality.

Boxes&Books

unsung wrote:

Ignorance must really be bliss. I invite those with *souls* to come back to reality.

Unsung,
what's reality,in regards to this topic? And are you really willing to accept reality?

unsung

Reality is illegal aliens are a problem. I'm not for open borders unlike some here. I'm for national sovereignty and I am for our departure from the UN.

Byrnzie

MoonTurtle wrote:

Sooo when you say new country, where exactly is this? I've been wanting to go to a country that no one's slept in because you know it's rare to come upon a bridge that has not been around or been stepped on.

Yep, they sneak in, these non-humans. They want human rights?? Que? Estas loco!!! It is kind of like they fail to obey...they fail to obey.

Wait illegals work? When you say illegals you do mean undocumented humans, right? Some of them are good as you say, just like citizens right? Some of them are good, others, nah, not so much.

Because you know these illegals, I believe you when you say they send all their money to their homeland. Ever since this new country started they give all illegals free room and board.

It sure does hurt the economy of this new country, I mean illegals make at least $45k a year.

These stores you speak of, that are owned by people of the same culture or race, it really sucks! They don't pay rent, taxes or buy merchandise to supply their stores from this new country. They have it shipped from their homeland!!!! Where the illegals are sending their $45k anyway!

Ahh the Mexicans! Those White Male American Mexicans, they do have automatic advantages! It is like they won the lottery when they are born, those white Mexican Americans, they do no wrong, so clean cut.

I'll tell you what truly bothers me -- those that scream learn the language. They mean learn English, yet they do not know enough English to clearly state their complaints about other humans wanting what their own descendants wanted.

Another thing that bothers me -- racial profiling of undocumented immigrants. Why is it that it is those with color on their skin that are always to blame for everything wrong with undocumented immigrants? There are plenty of White European undocumented immigrants in the US, yet they are never the poster child.


http://www.irishcentral.com/story/advic ... 81717.html

http://missionlocal.org/2010/03/as-tax- ... countants/

By the way Hispanic/Latino is not a race.

Very good post. Spot on.

Byrnzie

unsung wrote:

Reality is illegal aliens are a problem. I'm not for open borders unlike some here. I'm for national sovereignty and I am for our departure from the UN.

Many would regard people like you as a problem.

Corso

Moon Turtle, Eliot Rosewater, Cosmo, and Byrnzie... Just finished reading your current post. In the words of Byrnzie " spot on" !

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Corso wrote:

Moon Turtle, Eliot Rosewater, Cosmo, and Byrnzie... Just finished reading your current post. In the words of Byrnzie " spot on" !

I'm going to be lazy and just agree to this post to indicate my respect and appreciation for all the others mentioned above.

+1
:thumbup:

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ENGLISH LESSON FOR TODAY: "Illegal" is an adjective, not a noun.

If you're going to live in our country, please show some respect and learn the language.

gimmesometruth27

Corso wrote:

Moon Turtle, Eliot Rosewater, Cosmo, and Byrnzie... Just finished reading your current post. In the words of Byrnzie " spot on" !

i agree with every one of them as well....

gimmesometruth27

scb wrote:

ENGLISH LESSON FOR TODAY: "Illegal" is an adjective, not a noun.

If you're going to live in our country, please show some respect and learn the language.

exactly...when did "illegals" become a common plural noun??? probably about the same time "nuclear" became "nukuler"...

MoonTurtle

sure there is

lots of middle ground

that might be the problem

arq wrote:

It seems like there's no middle ground in this topic