14 years and counting...

oftenreading

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Stephen Colbert tweeted that no one who argues about the semantics of cages has ever been on the right side of history

I was just gonna say something similar. These people have to know they’re wrong, and just refuse to admit it right? 

Basic is human decency, people. We used to care about such things in this country.....well, before the current administration. 

Immigrants are no longer human; they’re an infestation. 

dignin

MakingWaves said:

I don’t comment on here much but I have Jewish friends and have spent time with their family members who survived concentration camps.. and for any posts to describe what is going on as a comparison to Nazis and their treatment of Jews is beyond reason. Just stop it!  You may hate Trump but to ever think this country would let things go that far is beyond ignorant. In this country there are two sides to this argument and if you read up and research the side that doesn’t agree with you then you may learn something. There were never two sides to Hitlers treatments of Jews.  I can’t believe I am actually having to say this...
Shut the fuck up!

Nazis separated me from my parents as a child. The trauma lasts a lifetime

Yoka Verdoner

I know from experience that the Trump-sanctioned brutality at the US border with Mexico will scar its child victims for life. What is happening in our own backyard today is as evil and criminal as what happened to me and my siblings as children in Nazi Europe. It needs to be stopped immediately.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/18/separation-children-parents-families-us-border-trump

A Dallas Holocaust survivor sees his reflection in the faces of children separated from their parents

 Glauben told me that "the darkest period in our history started the same way."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/dallas-holocaust-survivorsees-reflection-faces-children-separated-parents



Guess these survivors should just go fuck themselves then.

MakingWaves

dignin said:

MakingWaves said:

I don’t comment on here much but I have Jewish friends and have spent time with their family members who survived concentration camps.. and for any posts to describe what is going on as a comparison to Nazis and their treatment of Jews is beyond reason. Just stop it!  You may hate Trump but to ever think this country would let things go that far is beyond ignorant. In this country there are two sides to this argument and if you read up and research the side that doesn’t agree with you then you may learn something. There were never two sides to Hitlers treatments of Jews.  I can’t believe I am actually having to say this...
Shut the fuck up!

Nazis separated me from my parents as a child. The trauma lasts a lifetime

Yoka Verdoner

I know from experience that the Trump-sanctioned brutality at the US border with Mexico will scar its child victims for life. What is happening in our own backyard today is as evil and criminal as what happened to me and my siblings as children in Nazi Europe. It needs to be stopped immediately.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/18/separation-children-parents-families-us-border-trump

A Dallas Holocaust survivor sees his reflection in the faces of children separated from their parents

 Glauben told me that "the darkest period in our history started the same way."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/dallas-holocaust-survivorsees-reflection-faces-children-separated-parents



Guess these survivors should just go fuck themselves then.

MakingWaves

If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself. 

MakingWaves

dignin said:

MakingWaves said:

I don’t comment on here much but I have Jewish friends and have spent time with their family members who survived concentration camps.. and for any posts to describe what is going on as a comparison to Nazis and their treatment of Jews is beyond reason. Just stop it!  You may hate Trump but to ever think this country would let things go that far is beyond ignorant. In this country there are two sides to this argument and if you read up and research the side that doesn’t agree with you then you may learn something. There were never two sides to Hitlers treatments of Jews.  I can’t believe I am actually having to say this...
Shut the fuck up!

Nazis separated me from my parents as a child. The trauma lasts a lifetime

Yoka Verdoner

I know from experience that the Trump-sanctioned brutality at the US border with Mexico will scar its child victims for life. What is happening in our own backyard today is as evil and criminal as what happened to me and my siblings as children in Nazi Europe. It needs to be stopped immediately.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/18/separation-children-parents-families-us-border-trump

A Dallas Holocaust survivor sees his reflection in the faces of children separated from their parents

 Glauben told me that "the darkest period in our history started the same way."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/dallas-holocaust-survivorsees-reflection-faces-children-separated-parents



Guess these survivors should just go fuck themselves then.

MakingWaves said:

dignin said:

MakingWaves said:

I don’t comment on here much but I have Jewish friends and have spent time with their family members who survived concentration camps.. and for any posts to describe what is going on as a comparison to Nazis and their treatment of Jews is beyond reason. Just stop it!  You may hate Trump but to ever think this country would let things go that far is beyond ignorant. In this country there are two sides to this argument and if you read up and research the side that doesn’t agree with you then you may learn something. There were never two sides to Hitlers treatments of Jews.  I can’t believe I am actually having to say this...
Shut the fuck up!

Nazis separated me from my parents as a child. The trauma lasts a lifetime

Yoka Verdoner

I know from experience that the Trump-sanctioned brutality at the US border with Mexico will scar its child victims for life. What is happening in our own backyard today is as evil and criminal as what happened to me and my siblings as children in Nazi Europe. It needs to be stopped immediately.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/18/separation-children-parents-families-us-border-trump

A Dallas Holocaust survivor sees his reflection in the faces of children separated from their parents

 Glauben told me that "the darkest period in our history started the same way."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/dallas-holocaust-survivorsees-reflection-faces-children-separated-parents



Guess these survivors should just go fuck themselves then.

I respect their opinion but let’s step back and look at reality. No fucking comparison. 

dignin

oftenreading said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Stephen Colbert tweeted that no one who argues about the semantics of cages has ever been on the right side of history

I was just gonna say something similar. These people have to know they’re wrong, and just refuse to admit it right? 

Basic is human decency, people. We used to care about such things in this country.....well, before the current administration. 

Immigrants are no longer human; they’re an infestation. 

And to nobody's surprise, these same words were used by Hitler to describe Jews.

dignin

MakingWaves said:

If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself. 

Me or the holocaust survivors? 

Halifax2TheMax

MakingWaves said:

dignin said:

MakingWaves said:

I don’t comment on here much but I have Jewish friends and have spent time with their family members who survived concentration camps.. and for any posts to describe what is going on as a comparison to Nazis and their treatment of Jews is beyond reason. Just stop it!  You may hate Trump but to ever think this country would let things go that far is beyond ignorant. In this country there are two sides to this argument and if you read up and research the side that doesn’t agree with you then you may learn something. There were never two sides to Hitlers treatments of Jews.  I can’t believe I am actually having to say this...
Shut the fuck up!

Nazis separated me from my parents as a child. The trauma lasts a lifetime

Yoka Verdoner

I know from experience that the Trump-sanctioned brutality at the US border with Mexico will scar its child victims for life. What is happening in our own backyard today is as evil and criminal as what happened to me and my siblings as children in Nazi Europe. It needs to be stopped immediately.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/18/separation-children-parents-families-us-border-trump

A Dallas Holocaust survivor sees his reflection in the faces of children separated from their parents

 Glauben told me that "the darkest period in our history started the same way."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/dallas-holocaust-survivorsees-reflection-faces-children-separated-parents



Guess these survivors should just go fuck themselves then.

MakingWaves said:

dignin said:

MakingWaves said:

I don’t comment on here much but I have Jewish friends and have spent time with their family members who survived concentration camps.. and for any posts to describe what is going on as a comparison to Nazis and their treatment of Jews is beyond reason. Just stop it!  You may hate Trump but to ever think this country would let things go that far is beyond ignorant. In this country there are two sides to this argument and if you read up and research the side that doesn’t agree with you then you may learn something. There were never two sides to Hitlers treatments of Jews.  I can’t believe I am actually having to say this...
Shut the fuck up!

Nazis separated me from my parents as a child. The trauma lasts a lifetime

Yoka Verdoner

I know from experience that the Trump-sanctioned brutality at the US border with Mexico will scar its child victims for life. What is happening in our own backyard today is as evil and criminal as what happened to me and my siblings as children in Nazi Europe. It needs to be stopped immediately.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/18/separation-children-parents-families-us-border-trump

A Dallas Holocaust survivor sees his reflection in the faces of children separated from their parents

 Glauben told me that "the darkest period in our history started the same way."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/dallas-holocaust-survivorsees-reflection-faces-children-separated-parents



Guess these survivors should just go fuck themselves then.

I respect their opinion but let’s step back and look at reality. No fucking comparison. 

I’ll take their word for it over yours. 

MakingWaves

dignin said:

MakingWaves said:

If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself. 

Me or the holocaust survivors? 

Dude, 6 million jews were killed during the holocaust....fucking move on!  I shouldn't have to say another fucking word.  Don't try to make this more than what this is...It's a political game of people coming across the border knowing they are in danger of being obtained.  Putting their fucking kids at risk and our stupid ass politicians using them as pawns in the game of politics.  But you saying this shit doesn't help.
Find another angle on your arguement.

F Me In The Brain

Go fuck themselves?

Wow.  

I guess your perspective should count more than the people quoted above who actually survived the period and regime being referenced? 
Holy cow.  
Get over yourself.  I will believe people who lived through it.

dignin

MakingWaves said:

dignin said:

MakingWaves said:

If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself. 

Me or the holocaust survivors? 

Dude, 6 million jews were killed during the holocaust....fucking move on!  I shouldn't have to say another fucking word.  Don't try to make this more than what this is...It's a political game of people coming across the border knowing they are in danger of being obtained.  Putting their fucking kids at risk and our stupid ass politicians using them as pawns in the game of politics.  But you saying this shit doesn't help.
Find another angle on your arguement.

Go back and read what people are comparing.

I also think it's maybe you who should take a step back and think things over. Dude.

Halifax2TheMax

MakingWaves said:

dignin said:

MakingWaves said:

If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself. 

Me or the holocaust survivors? 

Dude, 6 million jews were killed during the holocaust....fucking move on!  I shouldn't have to say another fucking word.  Don't try to make this more than what this is...It's a political game of people coming across the border knowing they are in danger of being obtained.  Putting their fucking kids at risk and our stupid ass politicians using them as pawns in the game of politics.  But you saying this shit doesn't help.
Find another angle on your arguement.

Why should he? 

josevolution

http://amp.timeinc.net/time/5316764/toddler-immigrants-tender-age-shelters
This is America 2018 remember to stand up when the national anthem is played next time at your ballgame ! 

brianlux

MakingWaves said:

I don’t comment on here much but I have Jewish friends and have spent time with their family members who survived concentration camps.. and for any posts to describe what is going on as a comparison to Nazis and their treatment of Jews is beyond reason. Just stop it!  You may hate Trump but to ever think this country would let things go that far is beyond ignorant. In this country there are two sides to this argument and if you read up and research the side that doesn’t agree with you then you may learn something. There were never two sides to Hitlers treatments of Jews.  I can’t believe I am actually having to say this...
Shut the fuck up!

Nice to see a new "face" here, MakingWaves, but telling people "Just stop it!" and "Shut the fuck up!"... we'll see how well that goes over around here, haha. 

I think there is a valid point to be made about the recent Trump admin. actions being similar to the early beginnings of the Nazi regime.  Look at the history and look at what Trump is doing and you will find parallels.   Now, you may not agree with me on that-- fine- but you many not tell me to "Shut the fuck up".  Sorry, you just can't do that.

brianlux

MakingWaves said:

dignin said:

MakingWaves said:

I don’t comment on here much but I have Jewish friends and have spent time with their family members who survived concentration camps.. and for any posts to describe what is going on as a comparison to Nazis and their treatment of Jews is beyond reason. Just stop it!  You may hate Trump but to ever think this country would let things go that far is beyond ignorant. In this country there are two sides to this argument and if you read up and research the side that doesn’t agree with you then you may learn something. There were never two sides to Hitlers treatments of Jews.  I can’t believe I am actually having to say this...
Shut the fuck up!

Nazis separated me from my parents as a child. The trauma lasts a lifetime

Yoka Verdoner

I know from experience that the Trump-sanctioned brutality at the US border with Mexico will scar its child victims for life. What is happening in our own backyard today is as evil and criminal as what happened to me and my siblings as children in Nazi Europe. It needs to be stopped immediately.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/18/separation-children-parents-families-us-border-trump

A Dallas Holocaust survivor sees his reflection in the faces of children separated from their parents

 Glauben told me that "the darkest period in our history started the same way."

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/dallas-holocaust-survivorsees-reflection-faces-children-separated-parents



Guess these survivors should just go fuck themselves then.

MakingWaves said:

If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself. 

Looks like someone is planning a vacation from this place. 

MakingWaves

brianlux said:

MakingWaves said:

I don’t comment on here much but I have Jewish friends and have spent time with their family members who survived concentration camps.. and for any posts to describe what is going on as a comparison to Nazis and their treatment of Jews is beyond reason. Just stop it!  You may hate Trump but to ever think this country would let things go that far is beyond ignorant. In this country there are two sides to this argument and if you read up and research the side that doesn’t agree with you then you may learn something. There were never two sides to Hitlers treatments of Jews.  I can’t believe I am actually having to say this...
Shut the fuck up!

Nice to see a new "face" here, MakingWaves, but telling people "Just stop it!" and "Shut the fuck up!"... we'll see how well that goes over around here, haha. 

I think there is a valid point to be made about the recent Trump admin. actions being similar to the early beginnings of the Nazi regime.  Look at the history and look at what Trump is doing and you will find parallels.   Now, you may not agree with me on that-- fine- but you many not tell me to "Shut the fuck up".  Sorry, you just can't do that.

You are correct.  I have read many of your posts over time and I agree with what you are saying here.  I got carried away but I just can't understand how this can be compared to the holocaust or the Nazi regime.  I apologize for my language.  

Halifax2TheMax

MakingWaves said:

If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself. 

Are you saying that no comparisons can be made to Hitler or the Nazi Party? None because we haven’t had a holocaust? Yet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power

Didnt happen overnight. Started in 1923. Small, subtle, incremental steps, baby steps if you will. I’m sorry you can’t see that nor know the history and the underpinnings. But hey  Team Trump Treason is said to own one book, Mein Kampf so there is that.

Ledbetterman10

This shit is pretty crazy. Some of these kids will never see their families again. You think EVERY kid out of nearly 2,500 is going to be identified by whoever's job it is to identify them?

MakingWaves

Halifax2TheMax said:

MakingWaves said:

If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself. 

Are you saying that no comparisons can be made to Hitler or the Nazi Party? None because we haven’t had a holocaust? Yet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power

Didnt happen overnight. Started in 1923. Small, subtle, incremental steps, baby steps if you will. I’m sorry you can’t see that nor know the history and the underpinnings. But hey  Team Trump Treason is said to own one book, Mein Kampf so there is that.

Halifax2TheMax said:

MakingWaves said:

dignin said:

MakingWaves said:

If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself. 

Me or the holocaust survivors? 

Dude, 6 million jews were killed during the holocaust....fucking move on!  I shouldn't have to say another fucking word.  Don't try to make this more than what this is...It's a political game of people coming across the border knowing they are in danger of being obtained.  Putting their fucking kids at risk and our stupid ass politicians using them as pawns in the game of politics.  But you saying this shit doesn't help.
Find another angle on your arguement.

Why should he? 

Halifax2TheMax said:

MakingWaves said:

dignin said:

MakingWaves said:

If you are trying to compare this to the holocaust then yes...go fuck yourself. 

Me or the holocaust survivors? 

Dude, 6 million jews were killed during the holocaust....fucking move on!  I shouldn't have to say another fucking word.  Don't try to make this more than what this is...It's a political game of people coming across the border knowing they are in danger of being obtained.  Putting their fucking kids at risk and our stupid ass politicians using them as pawns in the game of politics.  But you saying this shit doesn't help.
Find another angle on your arguement.

Why should he? 

I don't know what else to say.  We have these people trying to cross a border that i feel so sorry for and I am afraid they are being used as pawns and our dumb ass politicians are using them to try to make a point that none of us on here probably agree with!  I just don't see the comparison to the greatest human tragedy in modern history.

tbergs

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

oftenreading said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mcgruff10 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

benjs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

The Juggler said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

The Juggler said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

The Juggler said:

unsung said:

my2hands said:

unsung said:

Nobody is being abused.

Let me take your 5 year old child by force and throw them in a cage without you knowing where they are, then talk to me about abuse, tough guy

People like you are giving America a bad name, you should be ashamed

You have zero empathy, for anyone, and its disgusting 

Not true.  I have empathy for the taxpayers that have to fund this mess.

HA
How about the 20 billion dollars your president wants us to pay for an idiotic wall....after promising he would convince Mexico to foot the bill for 2 years? How about the 2 trillion dollars their tax plan adds to our deficit?

Is this guy for real?

You are a hypocritical mess...

I actually kinda think that spending the money on the wall would be cheaper in the long run than prosecuting thousands upon thousands of people and putting the kids up to stay in warehouses every year.

Really? You think this zero tolerance policy is going to continue on a yearly basis?

I have no idea.  Let’s say they remove the zero tolerance- they still have war torn countries and cartels forcing people out of their countries for safety and ending up here.  Look at Europe, most of those countries bordering the type of countries have walls/fences/etc. and prosecute & throw people out who try to come in. But it can’t be cheap.

Ma'am, how much do you think we spend on prosecuting these folks currently?

Perhaps we could do a better job of not turning down so many folks at the legal ports of entry? A lot of people who are currently being prosecuted and have had their kids sent to these horrible wallmart cages tried to do it the right way but were not able to get in. If you travelled halfway across the world out of a war torn country only to be told the legal port is full, what would you do? Turn around and go traverse back to your war torn country or do what these folks did?

I don’t know, bust out your calculator and let me know.   There’s no cages by the way, I haven’t read any info saying that kids are in cages lol.    And maybe you’re misssing the point but the reason they’re being prosecuted is to send a message that they can’t just turn around and try it illegally, it’s supposed to deter emigration unless it’s legal and with a visa. Is it working? Obviously not. I’m just saying that the whole shit is assbackwards and can’t be cheap the way it is now.  We’ll have hundreds of these Walmart asylums before you know it and then we’re dealing with a humanitarian disaster.  The cartels know what they’re doing, they’re not trying to save people, they’re taking their money and making our government deal with them.

Really? If you haven't read any info saying that, it's clear you haven't sought one fucking article about this. I screen grabbed what showed up when I simply searched "cages" on Google just now. No mention of Trump, or immigration or anything - and yet, would you look at those results! What other obvious and immediately provable realities would you like to ignore?

Ummmm, no.  Fact checked.  False.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html

Wow. Nice research bud. 

Well it’s of course embellished.  It’s true there’s chain link wire fences inside these warehouses, but in no way are they being held in cages.  It’s just a word the media uses to create hysteria- both sides do it.  I knew that it wouldn’t be true, there’s just no way.

"It wouldn't be true, there's just no way". Except it is, unless you know of a better word to describe locked chain link enclosures.

There IS ust no way, it’s just sensationalized so you take the bait.  They look like partitions to me?  When prisoners go out and work out in the yard, they don’t work out in a cage.  It’s fenced in, it’s not a cage.  We can agree to disagree on the semantics of it makes you happy.  I totally agree by the way that this shit shouldn’t be happening in the first place, but there’s no reason to be calling it a cage when it’s clearly not.  Your second link through Obama under the bus by the way, not sure if you saw that or not.

man I hate typing on my phone I can barely see what I’ve written.

Not much need for sensationizing people held inside chain/wire/mesh/ cages/fences/cells. Nice attempt to deflect to Obama. Did you also see there was public outcry then and they changed the policy for unaccompanied minors due to court ruling as stated below. No one here is outraged only because it's Trump, they're outraged because of the situation no matter who is in power. It's just another in a series of inhumane policies by this admin.

The cages aren’t wholly new. During the Obama administration, unaccompanied immigrant children who arrived at the border were kept in them as well, as this tour by Representative Jim McGovern shows. Then-Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said unaccompanied minors would be deported, labeling the practice a deterrent. There was outcry at the time, especially from immigration groups, and the Obama White House was forced to stop detaining families by a court. What is different now is that the children being held are being forcibly separated from their parents at the border. So is the scale of the issue—the Washington Examinerreports that there could be 30,000 such children in custody by August.

This linguistic debate might seem like a distraction—and, in fact, it is. “If you’re arguing whether the children are in cages or windowless rooms, you’ve lost the plot,” the comedian Ziwe Fumodoh tweeted Sunday. But losing the plot as a matter of fact and morality and losing the political point are not the same. When the debate is focused on what to call the pens in which children separated from their families are being held, rather than the fact that children separated from their families are being held, it’s a victory for the Trump administration and its allies.