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  • So he doesn’t really know if his wife and daughter were separated? He “heard” from family members? Where? Texas? Did they get visitation? Maybe someone should go and see and report back? Oh yea, access is denied. Maybe Sarah Huckabee can fill us in? Something smells and it ain’t my feet.
    Please also note he said he was not in favor of his wife going to the US. He couldn’t understand why she’d put her daughter through this.  Sounds like the mom put her child in danger and knew it against the fathers wishes.  Who’s at fault here?

    Yes. Like who in their right mind tries to immigrate to Iraq, Russia, North Korea, the US, and other dangerous countries like this?
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  • elvistheking44elvistheking44 Posts: 4,436
    So he doesn’t really know if his wife and daughter were separated? He “heard” from family members? Where? Texas? Did they get visitation? Maybe someone should go and see and report back? Oh yea, access is denied. Maybe Sarah Huckabee can fill us in? Something smells and it ain’t my feet.
    Please also note he said he was not in favor of his wife going to the US. He couldn’t understand why she’d put her daughter through this.  Sounds like the mom put her child in danger and knew it against the fathers wishes.  Who’s at fault here?
    Does he own her? Who knows what’s going on in their relationship?
    I'll ask again. Who's fault is it then?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,353
    mrussel1 said:
    So he doesn’t really know if his wife and daughter were separated? He “heard” from family members? Where? Texas? Did they get visitation? Maybe someone should go and see and report back? Oh yea, access is denied. Maybe Sarah Huckabee can fill us in? Something smells and it ain’t my feet.
    Please also note he said he was not in favor of his wife going to the US. He couldn’t understand why she’d put her daughter through this.  Sounds like the mom put her child in danger and knew it against the fathers wishes.  Who’s at fault here?
    obama
    Never heard of either of those.  I only know Obummer and Killary.  
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    So he doesn’t really know if his wife and daughter were separated? He “heard” from family members? Where? Texas? Did they get visitation? Maybe someone should go and see and report back? Oh yea, access is denied. Maybe Sarah Huckabee can fill us in? Something smells and it ain’t my feet.
    Please also note he said he was not in favor of his wife going to the US. He couldn’t understand why she’d put her daughter through this.  Sounds like the mom put her child in danger and knew it against the fathers wishes.  Who’s at fault here?
    Does he own her? Who knows what’s going on in their relationship?
    I'll ask again. Who's fault is it then?
    Fault? Why are you assigning fault is a better question. Easy to assign a label to a situation you are not in and know nothing about. Admittedly, neither do I, but fault wouldn't be how I'd describe it with no information about the familial relationship and dynamics. As has been stated many times, most of these immigrants are leaving areas because of the terrible and unsafe conditions. Unless she was a drug smuggler or part of some illegal activity, she is not a criminal and I wouldn't assign fault to someone in her situation.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,372
    So he doesn’t really know if his wife and daughter were separated? He “heard” from family members? Where? Texas? Did they get visitation? Maybe someone should go and see and report back? Oh yea, access is denied. Maybe Sarah Huckabee can fill us in? Something smells and it ain’t my feet.
    Please also note he said he was not in favor of his wife going to the US. He couldn’t understand why she’d put her daughter through this.  Sounds like the mom put her child in danger and knew it against the fathers wishes.  Who’s at fault here?
    Does he own her? Who knows what’s going on in their relationship?
    I'll ask again. Who's fault is it then?
    I’m still waiting on some links but to answer your question, Team Trump Treason for arbitrarily enforcing a zero tolerance policy that was wrong, stupid, immoral, unethical and unnecessary. Now, care to back up your “free” stuff claim and Melania’s news bias reason for wearing that jacket with links to back them up or exhibit where you drew your opinion from?
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  • elvistheking44elvistheking44 Posts: 4,436
    So he doesn’t really know if his wife and daughter were separated? He “heard” from family members? Where? Texas? Did they get visitation? Maybe someone should go and see and report back? Oh yea, access is denied. Maybe Sarah Huckabee can fill us in? Something smells and it ain’t my feet.
    Please also note he said he was not in favor of his wife going to the US. He couldn’t understand why she’d put her daughter through this.  Sounds like the mom put her child in danger and knew it against the fathers wishes.  Who’s at fault here?
    Does he own her? Who knows what’s going on in their relationship?
    I'll ask again. Who's fault is it then?
    I’m still waiting on some links but to answer your question, Team Trump Treason for arbitrarily enforcing a zero tolerance policy that was wrong, stupid, immoral, unethical and unnecessary. Now, care to back up your “free” stuff claim and Melania’s news bias reason for wearing that jacket with links to back them up or exhibit where you drew your opinion from?
    You have the wrong person.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,822
    edited June 2018
    So he doesn’t really know if his wife and daughter were separated? He “heard” from family members? Where? Texas? Did they get visitation? Maybe someone should go and see and report back? Oh yea, access is denied. Maybe Sarah Huckabee can fill us in? Something smells and it ain’t my feet.
    Please also note he said he was not in favor of his wife going to the US. He couldn’t understand why she’d put her daughter through this.  Sounds like the mom put her child in danger and knew it against the fathers wishes.  Who’s at fault here?
    Does he own her? Who knows what’s going on in their relationship?
    I'll ask again. Who's fault is it then?
    I know this one....

    Who are The Democrats? 
    Post edited by Bentleyspop on
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,372
    So he doesn’t really know if his wife and daughter were separated? He “heard” from family members? Where? Texas? Did they get visitation? Maybe someone should go and see and report back? Oh yea, access is denied. Maybe Sarah Huckabee can fill us in? Something smells and it ain’t my feet.
    Please also note he said he was not in favor of his wife going to the US. He couldn’t understand why she’d put her daughter through this.  Sounds like the mom put her child in danger and knew it against the fathers wishes.  Who’s at fault here?
    Does he own her? Who knows what’s going on in their relationship?
    I'll ask again. Who's fault is it then?
    I’m still waiting on some links but to answer your question, Team Trump Treason for arbitrarily enforcing a zero tolerance policy that was wrong, stupid, immoral, unethical and unnecessary. Now, care to back up your “free” stuff claim and Melania’s news bias reason for wearing that jacket with links to back them up or exhibit where you drew your opinion from?
    You have the wrong person.
    Same avatar? Not enough caffeine. I answered your specific question though.
     
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  • elvistheking44elvistheking44 Posts: 4,436
    So he doesn’t really know if his wife and daughter were separated? He “heard” from family members? Where? Texas? Did they get visitation? Maybe someone should go and see and report back? Oh yea, access is denied. Maybe Sarah Huckabee can fill us in? Something smells and it ain’t my feet.
    Please also note he said he was not in favor of his wife going to the US. He couldn’t understand why she’d put her daughter through this.  Sounds like the mom put her child in danger and knew it against the fathers wishes.  Who’s at fault here?
    Does he own her? Who knows what’s going on in their relationship?
    I'll ask again. Who's fault is it then?
    I know this one....

    Who are The Democrats? 
    Nope
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,372

    From Team Trump Treason's daily email and linked website. No supporting proof. Just a blanket staement. I guess we should just believe him because, well, he's so honest?


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    So he doesn’t really know if his wife and daughter were separated? He “heard” from family members? Where? Texas? Did they get visitation? Maybe someone should go and see and report back? Oh yea, access is denied. Maybe Sarah Huckabee can fill us in? Something smells and it ain’t my feet.
    Please also note he said he was not in favor of his wife going to the US. He couldn’t understand why she’d put her daughter through this.  Sounds like the mom put her child in danger and knew it against the fathers wishes.  Who’s at fault here?
    Where have I heard that before?

    Oh yeah, Bill Clinton's Administration where Janet Reno ordered a kid to be deported to Cuba.


  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Of course we know how much that administration cared about the children.


  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    unsung said:
    So he doesn’t really know if his wife and daughter were separated? He “heard” from family members? Where? Texas? Did they get visitation? Maybe someone should go and see and report back? Oh yea, access is denied. Maybe Sarah Huckabee can fill us in? Something smells and it ain’t my feet.
    Please also note he said he was not in favor of his wife going to the US. He couldn’t understand why she’d put her daughter through this.  Sounds like the mom put her child in danger and knew it against the fathers wishes.  Who’s at fault here?
    Where have I heard that before?

    Oh yeah, Bill Clinton's Administration where Janet Reno ordered a kid to be deported to Cuba.


    unsung said:
    Of course we know how much that administration cared about the children.


    @unsung with that sweet sweet whataboutism. Smells almost Soviet-homemade.


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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Just don't try to claim the moral high ground.  Stop with the children are suffering drama.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,372
    Say a prayer.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Stop importing replacement votes.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    unsung said:
    Just don't try to claim the moral high ground.  Stop with the children are suffering drama.
    Most people do believe they are suffering. Maybe not racist POSs ofc...

    And isn't that picture of the dude with the raised gun famous BECAUSE PEOPLE REACTED WHEN IT HAPPENED.

    Just like they are now.

    Go hang out at an alt-right meeting instead, crank up Kid Rock and talk about how there are no proof of climate change. 
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    And most normal people would blame the parents for putting those kids in that situation.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    edited June 2018
    unsung said:
    Of course we know how much that administration cared about the children.


    Uh yeah.  It's the Gov't's fault that the Davidians were importing loads of weapons and then set their place ablaze after shooting agents.  I get it.  You must have forgotten about the women and children who were allowed to leave and the ones that refused to leave. 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,919
    unsung said:
    And most normal people would blame the parents for putting those kids in that situation.

    The counter-argument to this though is that not all of these parents are trying to illegally immigrate. Many come seeking asylum from oppressive governments like Guatemala. Since Trump is obviously against that sort of thing, those people should just be turned away, not detained.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    unsung said:
    And most normal people would blame the parents for putting those kids in that situation.

    The counter-argument to this though is that not all of these parents are trying to illegally immigrate. Many come seeking asylum from oppressive governments like Guatemala. Since Trump is obviously against that sort of thing, those people should just be turned away, not detained.
    And those countries all have US embassies where asylum can be obtained.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,372
    unsung said:
    Stop importing replacement votes.
    Care to link to the millions of illegals that voted? It really is funny to see how paranoid you are to be a minority. Living in fear, what a life.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    unsung said:
    And most normal people would blame the parents for putting those kids in that situation.
    No. Racist bullshit spin would though.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,372
    edited June 2018
    I wonder if she’s a “responsible” gun owner and. Team Trump Treason voter/supporter?

    Oregon DOT employee suspended after Facebook post calling on immigrants to be shot - Fox News https://apple.news/A2_jocJnnQeG_pt0GXXwn8Q

    And it must be true as Faux is reporting it.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,919
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    And most normal people would blame the parents for putting those kids in that situation.

    The counter-argument to this though is that not all of these parents are trying to illegally immigrate. Many come seeking asylum from oppressive governments like Guatemala. Since Trump is obviously against that sort of thing, those people should just be turned away, not detained.
    And those countries all have US embassies where asylum can be obtained.

    That's a good counter-counter argument.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    Interesting article refuting many of the claims made by today's anti-immigration Republicans.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-miller-great-grandfather-naturalization_us_5b2ba35ae4b0040e27403e42

    One example, for all of those who claim their own predecessors "came here legally" - for the first 300 years of the country, all immigration was legal, because there were no laws governing immigration.

    For those whose forebears came more recently, a surprising number of Republican politicians and mouthpieces actually have relatives who would be considered to have immigrated illegally, or to have "not assimilated" by continuing to speak their native tongue, or to have benefited from chain migration. Tomi Lahren's great great grandfather forged his immigration papers, Tucker Carlson's great grandfather left behind the "failing country" of Italy, and Steven Miller's great grandfather's initial immigration application was denied due to "ignorance". 


    Just curious, if all immigration was legal for the first 300 years, how does that make the claims false when they claim their ancestors did it legally? 
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    mace1229 said:
    Interesting article refuting many of the claims made by today's anti-immigration Republicans.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-miller-great-grandfather-naturalization_us_5b2ba35ae4b0040e27403e42

    One example, for all of those who claim their own predecessors "came here legally" - for the first 300 years of the country, all immigration was legal, because there were no laws governing immigration.

    For those whose forebears came more recently, a surprising number of Republican politicians and mouthpieces actually have relatives who would be considered to have immigrated illegally, or to have "not assimilated" by continuing to speak their native tongue, or to have benefited from chain migration. Tomi Lahren's great great grandfather forged his immigration papers, Tucker Carlson's great grandfather left behind the "failing country" of Italy, and Steven Miller's great grandfather's initial immigration application was denied due to "ignorance". 


    Just curious, if all immigration was legal for the first 300 years, how does that make the claims false when they claim their ancestors did it legally? 
    It doesn’t make it false, it makes it meaningless. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,952
    Just reunite the kids with their parents that’s all unless you believe our government is allowed to kidnap children that’s what this is they kidnapped these children , with no plan to reunite them ...
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    mace1229 said:
    Interesting article refuting many of the claims made by today's anti-immigration Republicans.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-miller-great-grandfather-naturalization_us_5b2ba35ae4b0040e27403e42

    One example, for all of those who claim their own predecessors "came here legally" - for the first 300 years of the country, all immigration was legal, because there were no laws governing immigration.

    For those whose forebears came more recently, a surprising number of Republican politicians and mouthpieces actually have relatives who would be considered to have immigrated illegally, or to have "not assimilated" by continuing to speak their native tongue, or to have benefited from chain migration. Tomi Lahren's great great grandfather forged his immigration papers, Tucker Carlson's great grandfather left behind the "failing country" of Italy, and Steven Miller's great grandfather's initial immigration application was denied due to "ignorance". 


    Just curious, if all immigration was legal for the first 300 years, how does that make the claims false when they claim their ancestors did it legally? 
    It doesn’t make it false, it makes it meaningless. 
    I’ll agree it’s meaningless. But that’s because it’s a meaningless response to a meaningless counterpoint made every day. The counterpoint of “well your ancestors immigrated here too” is also completely meaningless, which is the only time anyone ever says “well my ancestors did it legally.” How this country ran 300 years ago isn’t that relevant to policies we should be making today. It was an entirely different country that was constantly at war and expanding and constantly abusing many different peoples. So bringing up what someone’s ancestors did from 300 years ago is irrelevant when it comes to policies of today. So not surprising that it is answered with an equally meaningless response.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,372
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Interesting article refuting many of the claims made by today's anti-immigration Republicans.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-miller-great-grandfather-naturalization_us_5b2ba35ae4b0040e27403e42

    One example, for all of those who claim their own predecessors "came here legally" - for the first 300 years of the country, all immigration was legal, because there were no laws governing immigration.

    For those whose forebears came more recently, a surprising number of Republican politicians and mouthpieces actually have relatives who would be considered to have immigrated illegally, or to have "not assimilated" by continuing to speak their native tongue, or to have benefited from chain migration. Tomi Lahren's great great grandfather forged his immigration papers, Tucker Carlson's great grandfather left behind the "failing country" of Italy, and Steven Miller's great grandfather's initial immigration application was denied due to "ignorance". 


    Just curious, if all immigration was legal for the first 300 years, how does that make the claims false when they claim their ancestors did it legally? 
    It doesn’t make it false, it makes it meaningless. 
    I’ll agree it’s meaningless. But that’s because it’s a meaningless response to a meaningless counterpoint made every day. The counterpoint of “well your ancestors immigrated here too” is also completely meaningless, which is the only time anyone ever says “well my ancestors did it legally.” How this country ran 300 years ago isn’t that relevant to policies we should be making today. It was an entirely different country that was constantly at war and expanding and constantly abusing many different peoples. So bringing up what someone’s ancestors did from 300 years ago is irrelevant when it comes to policies of today. So not surprising that it is answered with an equally meaningless response.
    Try telling that to a 2A fanatic. A whole nother thread was just started.
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