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1. Not according to the Native Americansmcgruff10 said:
My ancestors did it legally; I have zero problem with legal immigration.my2hands said:Every single person in this thread is either an immigrant, or a descendant of an immigrant.
Including Captain America, unsung
2. Prove it (this is seemingly always claimed by every white European descendant, I dont believe them all)
3. Maybe mine didn't.Post edited by my2hands on0 -
Oh, they so want to believe. They have to believe. Its who they are.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.df405bd3c38eThe first study, published by the libertarian Cato Institute in February, examines criminal conviction data for 2015 provided by the Texas Department of Public Safety. It found that native-born residents were much more likely to be convicted of a crime than immigrants in the country legally or illegally.
"As a percentage of their respective populations, there were 56 percent fewer criminal convictions of illegal immigrants than of native-born Americans in Texas in 2015," author Alex Nowrasteh writes. "The criminal conviction rate for legal immigrants was about 85 percent below the native-born rate."
The data shows similar patterns for violent crimes such as homicide and property crimes such as larceny. The study did find that immigrants in the United States illegally were more likely than native-born people to be convicted of "gambling, kidnapping, smuggling, and vagrancy." But as those crimes represented just 0.18 percent of all convictions in Texas that year, they had little effect on overall crime rates.
@PJPOWER when is Texas going to do something about those "native born?" Seems the Lone Star state has its priorities messed up.
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Cool can you give him a shout out for me , thanksCliffy6745 said:Pence will be arriving about 2 blocks from my office in a matter of minutes. I'll be popping by to ensure I am one of the many that he hears from.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
If you're on FB, check out Young Turks. They're talking about American Airlines flight attendants describing kids being flown to "new homes". The kids cry. They're told the can't speak or look at flight attendants and visa vera. More horrors.Sorry no link. Maybe some can find one."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Cenk is also talking about how the language of the Nazi's early and of the Trump administration in this current situation are very similar. So are we heading in the same direction? Could be. Could be.
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Yep, that's one of the words bandied about by Trump and Co.dignin said:
"infest"brianlux said:Cenk is also talking about how the language of the Nazi's early and of the Trump administration in this current situation are very similar. So are we heading in the same direction? Could be. Could be.
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Every study I’ve seen backs this up - the crime rate amongst immigrants is lower than amongst those born American citizens. I believe the same pattern holds true in Canada, too.Halifax2TheMax said:Oh, they so want to believe. They have to believe. Its who they are.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.df405bd3c38eThe first study, published by the libertarian Cato Institute in February, examines criminal conviction data for 2015 provided by the Texas Department of Public Safety. It found that native-born residents were much more likely to be convicted of a crime than immigrants in the country legally or illegally.
"As a percentage of their respective populations, there were 56 percent fewer criminal convictions of illegal immigrants than of native-born Americans in Texas in 2015," author Alex Nowrasteh writes. "The criminal conviction rate for legal immigrants was about 85 percent below the native-born rate."
The data shows similar patterns for violent crimes such as homicide and property crimes such as larceny. The study did find that immigrants in the United States illegally were more likely than native-born people to be convicted of "gambling, kidnapping, smuggling, and vagrancy." But as those crimes represented just 0.18 percent of all convictions in Texas that year, they had little effect on overall crime rates.
@PJPOWER when is Texas going to do something about those "native born?" Seems the Lone Star state has its priorities messed up.
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Umm no it will likely end in lots of companies going bankrupt and failing.brianlux said:Solution #6. Have every wealthy person who hires an undocumented worker trade off jobs with their illegals every other year.That would also solve the problem in a hurry.hippiemom = goodness0 -
The U.N. human rights council treats Israel like North Korea so I am not surprised by this at all.Halifax2TheMax said:No surprise here when Team Trump Treason totally disregards them in practice and with who he cuddles with, putin on the ritz and the very honorable Un.
U.S. expected to withdraw from U.N. human rights council - POLITICO https://apple.news/AirOvhjrdTq66vZZKBNn-Cw
Wasn't this a Trump campaign promise?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Like Trump treats North Korea, or like the rest of the Free world treats North Korea?
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There are strong similarities. The tactics being used are actually identical in some cases.mcgruff10 said:
It s actually not similar at all. This is such a stretch by the left. The only thing similar is that this year also ends in the number 8.Smellyman said:Leader dehumanizes a people.Leader blames those people. (job loss, sucking money from economy, rape, drugs, crime)Base starts to believe. (already did really)They are the reason for our failure or country declining.Get state TV (Fox, Breitbart, etc. , and all radio talk shows) to spew propaganda regardless of facts or reason.Base believes they are the reason for their troubles.Implement policy that starts rounding them up with declaration from Sessions (Goebbles)Get Law Enforcement to comply and that is the right thing to do.Put them in camps in cages (or walls with chain link fences)Not similar to 1938 at all.
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Do they really or is that what you’ve been lead to believe? Distinctions are important but not when you’re trying to fire up your evangelical base to bring about the end of times.mcgruff10 said:
The U.N. human rights council treats Israel like North Korea so I am not surprised by this at all.Halifax2TheMax said:No surprise here when Team Trump Treason totally disregards them in practice and with who he cuddles with, putin on the ritz and the very honorable Un.
U.S. expected to withdraw from U.N. human rights council - POLITICO https://apple.news/AirOvhjrdTq66vZZKBNn-Cw
Wasn't this a Trump campaign promise?
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/jan/25/ron-desantis/fact-checking-rep-ron-desantis-claim-about-uns-tre/
Do more research as plenty of non-binding resolutions against Israel have passed but more legally binding sanctions have been passed against North Korea. Words, facts and rhetoric matter.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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God forbid i have a different opinion than the majority of this forum. You are right, I ve been led to believe this. My man Sean hannity and Ann Coulter told me so it must Be true. I m out. Time to watch some Fox News baby!Halifax2TheMax said:
Do they really or is that what you’ve been lead to believe? Distinctions are important but not when you’re trying to fire up your evangelical base to bring about the end of times.mcgruff10 said:
The U.N. human rights council treats Israel like North Korea so I am not surprised by this at all.Halifax2TheMax said:No surprise here when Team Trump Treason totally disregards them in practice and with who he cuddles with, putin on the ritz and the very honorable Un.
U.S. expected to withdraw from U.N. human rights council - POLITICO https://apple.news/AirOvhjrdTq66vZZKBNn-Cw
Wasn't this a Trump campaign promise?
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/jan/25/ron-desantis/fact-checking-rep-ron-desantis-claim-about-uns-tre/
Do more research as plenty of non-binding resolutions against Israel have passed but more legally binding sanctions have been passed against North Korea. Words, facts and rhetoric matter.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Imo not at all. Actually I see zero similarities to Nazi germany persecuting their own citizens and the u.s. Arresting illegal immigrants at the border.PJ_Soul said:
There are strong similarities. The tactics being used are actually identical in some cases.mcgruff10 said:
It s actually not similar at all. This is such a stretch by the left. The only thing similar is that this year also ends in the number 8.Smellyman said:Leader dehumanizes a people.Leader blames those people. (job loss, sucking money from economy, rape, drugs, crime)Base starts to believe. (already did really)They are the reason for our failure or country declining.Get state TV (Fox, Breitbart, etc. , and all radio talk shows) to spew propaganda regardless of facts or reason.Base believes they are the reason for their troubles.Implement policy that starts rounding them up with declaration from Sessions (Goebbles)Get Law Enforcement to comply and that is the right thing to do.Put them in camps in cages (or walls with chain link fences)Not similar to 1938 at all.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I don’t comment on here much but I have Jewish friends and have spent time with their family members who survived concentration camps.. and for any posts to describe what is going on as a comparison to Nazis and their treatment of Jews is beyond reason. Just stop it! You may hate Trump but to ever think this country would let things go that far is beyond ignorant. In this country there are two sides to this argument and if you read up and research the side that doesn’t agree with you then you may learn something. There were never two sides to Hitlers treatments of Jews. I can’t believe I am actually having to say this...
Shut the fuck up!
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Let me help you see the big picture:mcgruff10 said:
Imo not at all. Actually I see zero similarities to Nazi germany persecuting their own citizens and the u.s. Arresting illegal immigrants at the border.PJ_Soul said:
There are strong similarities. The tactics being used are actually identical in some cases.mcgruff10 said:
It s actually not similar at all. This is such a stretch by the left. The only thing similar is that this year also ends in the number 8.Smellyman said:Leader dehumanizes a people.Leader blames those people. (job loss, sucking money from economy, rape, drugs, crime)Base starts to believe. (already did really)They are the reason for our failure or country declining.Get state TV (Fox, Breitbart, etc. , and all radio talk shows) to spew propaganda regardless of facts or reason.Base believes they are the reason for their troubles.Implement policy that starts rounding them up with declaration from Sessions (Goebbles)Get Law Enforcement to comply and that is the right thing to do.Put them in camps in cages (or walls with chain link fences)Not similar to 1938 at all.
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Did I mention faux news, Hannity or coulture? I linked to a repube congressman from FL and an ardent Team Trump Treason supporter being fact checked for a similar claim. You claimed that you thought it was a Team Trump Treason campaign promise. So, did you blindly accept Team Trump Treason’s campaign rhetoric, you know, from the guy who tells on average a minimum of six lies a day, if you didn’t get it from faux, Hannity or coulture? God forbid you form informed, fact based opinions.mcgruff10 said:
God forbid i have a different opinion than the majority of this forum. You are right, I ve been led to believe this. My man Sean hannity and Ann Coulter told me so it must Be true. I m out. Time to watch some Fox News baby!Halifax2TheMax said:
Do they really or is that what you’ve been lead to believe? Distinctions are important but not when you’re trying to fire up your evangelical base to bring about the end of times.mcgruff10 said:
The U.N. human rights council treats Israel like North Korea so I am not surprised by this at all.Halifax2TheMax said:No surprise here when Team Trump Treason totally disregards them in practice and with who he cuddles with, putin on the ritz and the very honorable Un.
U.S. expected to withdraw from U.N. human rights council - POLITICO https://apple.news/AirOvhjrdTq66vZZKBNn-Cw
Wasn't this a Trump campaign promise?
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/jan/25/ron-desantis/fact-checking-rep-ron-desantis-claim-about-uns-tre/
Do more research as plenty of non-binding resolutions against Israel have passed but more legally binding sanctions have been passed against North Korea. Words, facts and rhetoric matter.
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Hate Trump all you want...ill agree with 90% of what you say..don’t prove your point by making this comparison to Nazis and treatment of Jews.Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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So you support the US leaving the human rights council?mcgruff10 said:
The U.N. human rights council treats Israel like North Korea so I am not surprised by this at all.Halifax2TheMax said:No surprise here when Team Trump Treason totally disregards them in practice and with who he cuddles with, putin on the ritz and the very honorable Un.
U.S. expected to withdraw from U.N. human rights council - POLITICO https://apple.news/AirOvhjrdTq66vZZKBNn-Cw
Wasn't this a Trump campaign promise?
Honestly, after the last 17 years since 9/11 I'm not so sure we DESERVE a seat at that table anymore. As a matter of fact I know we dont0
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