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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Anyone else feel like it was Melania and Ivanka who pressured him to do stop this? I feel like he would have kept going for a while with this disaster.
    It makes sense, they've withstood intense pressure like this before.
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    tbergs said:
    Anyone else feel like it was Melania and Ivanka who pressured him to do stop this? I feel like he would have kept going for a while with this disaster.
    The articles I've read have pretty much confirmed this through unnamed staffers close to the details surrounding the events leading up to Trump backing down.
    I have not read those reports and would be interested to read them cause for me i think both of them did nothing. 
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    since I think this does have something to do about immigration just want to put a report out there.



  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,934
    fife said:
    since I think this does have something to do about immigration just want to put a report out there.



    Yes it does since these white nationalist believe this is their country I guess you could say it’s theirs since their ancestors took it from the native Americans who had been here 1st with no regards for them at all !
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    fife said:
    tbergs said:
    Anyone else feel like it was Melania and Ivanka who pressured him to do stop this? I feel like he would have kept going for a while with this disaster.
    The articles I've read have pretty much confirmed this through unnamed staffers close to the details surrounding the events leading up to Trump backing down.
    I have not read those reports and would be interested to read them cause for me i think both of them did nothing. 
    This was the one I read from Reuters:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration/trump-backs-down-signs-order-to-end-family-separations-at-us-border-idUSKBN1JG27Q

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,934
    tbergs said:
    fife said:
    tbergs said:
    Anyone else feel like it was Melania and Ivanka who pressured him to do stop this? I feel like he would have kept going for a while with this disaster.
    The articles I've read have pretty much confirmed this through unnamed staffers close to the details surrounding the events leading up to Trump backing down.
    I have not read those reports and would be interested to read them cause for me i think both of them did nothing. 
    This was the one I read from Reuters:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration/trump-backs-down-signs-order-to-end-family-separations-at-us-border-idUSKBN1JG27Q

    He fucking has the gall to say anyone who has a heart feels bad are you kidding you pathetic peice of shit heartless bastard your a disgrace!
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  • And now begins the challenging task of reuniting these children with their parents. Multiple sources say this will be a daunting challenge given the circumstances and anticipate numerous orphans dependent on the government.

    Of course, the 'dependent on the government' statement pales in comparison to the fact that the family unit was ripped apart just at about the same time their dreams were.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    You don't really get too much credit for unwinding the humanitarian disaster you created, declared you couldn't fix for days, and then subsequently fixed.  How about not doing it to start?
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2018
    my2hands said:
    The level of demonization of "liberals" in this country is astounding 
    I think @PJPOWER paid for the billboard in Texas, speaking of liberals. I didn’t know it snowed so much in Texas?
    Speaking of demonization...
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.

    you cant be serious?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,366
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    The level of demonization of "liberals" in this country is astounding 
    I think @PJPOWER paid for the billboard in Texas, speaking of liberals. I didn’t know it snowed so much in Texas?
    Speaking of demonization...
    I don’t think it makes you a demon, just exercising your first amendment rights.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    In the meantime... the president and all his men are displaying private school educations are overrated:



    don't these guys have spellcheck? c'mon
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    The level of demonization of "liberals" in this country is astounding 
    I think @PJPOWER paid for the billboard in Texas, speaking of liberals. I didn’t know it snowed so much in Texas?
    Speaking of demonization...
    I don’t think it makes you a demon, just exercising your first amendment rights.
    I did not create the sign, but I do support people excercising their first amendment rights.  Sorry, not sorry if that triggers you.

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  • mrussel1 said:
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    You don't really get too much credit for unwinding the humanitarian disaster you created, declared you couldn't fix for days, and then subsequently fixed.  How about not doing it to start?
    One doesn't even get to successfully apologize for such obscenity... let alone 'get credit' for 'fixing it'.

    Absurd.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    mrussel1 said:
    Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.
    You don't really get too much credit for unwinding the humanitarian disaster you created, declared you couldn't fix for days, and then subsequently fixed.  How about not doing it to start?
    One doesn't even get to successfully apologize for such obscenity... let alone 'get credit' for 'fixing it'.

    Absurd.

    this is what we are dealing with down here. it is maddening
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    And now begins the challenging task of reuniting these children with their parents. Multiple sources say this will be a daunting challenge given the circumstances and anticipate numerous orphans dependent on the government.

    Of course, the 'dependent on the government' statement pales in comparison to the fact that the family unit was ripped apart just at about the same time their dreams were.
    That's one fucked up situation ... 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,366
    Ladies and gentlemen, your Team Trump Treason. Good luck with solving the immigration “problem” because no matter how you solve it, it’s the US’ problem. Team Trump Treason burned every bridge and it’s left us with no partners. MAGA.

    The border crisis is a reminder that Trump has no idea what he’s doing - Vox https://apple.news/AGOuTWkhJQXSKu881WA9XTA
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,615
    This just came across my news feed, I had no clue Canada detained kids.  Obviously not the same amount but it is still being done.

    Canada aims to avoid detaining migrant children, but it happens

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/canada-detention-children-united-states-1.4709632

    The U.S. is the focus of international outrage for its policy of separating children from their parents and detaining them after they cross the border in search of asylum.

    But Canada has also detained migrant children — and in some cases, has restricted access to their asylum-seeking parents — despite its stated policy to do whatever possible to avoid it.

    Last year, 151 minors were detained with their parents in Canadian immigration holding centres.

    Eleven others were held in custody unaccompanied by an adult, according to the Canada Border Services Agency. The CBSA would not speculate on the circumstances surrounding why a minor was unaccompanied. 

    By comparison, the Trump administration has separated more than 2,000 children from their families since instituting a "zero tolerance" crackdown in April on those seeking to enter the United States illegally.

    "What's going on in the United States is wrong," said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday. "I cannot imagine what the families are going through. This is not how we do things in Canada."

    In Canada, CBSA holds people who are considered a flight risk or a danger to the public, and those whose identity cannot be confirmed.

    President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday afternoon to keep families together at the border, bowing to the intense public pressure surrounding the issue.

    'Frightening experience'

    The Canadian holding centres, which are off limits to the public, resemble medium-security prisons. They are surrounded by razor-wire fences and kept under surveillance by guards.

    There are three such facilities across Canada, in Vancouver, Toronto, and Laval, Que. In some provinces, asylum seekers are detained in prisons.

    A recent McGill University study found that detention can be a "frightening experience" for children, leaving them with "psychiatric and academic difficulties long after detention."

    Inside, boredom is "pervasive," as children are often left "idle, sleeping or lying on the couches for long periods during the day."

    The study examined the experiences of 20 families who were detained in the Toronto and Laval holding centres and found that, in nearly half the cases, children ended up being separated from their parents at some point in the asylum-seeking process.

    In detention, mothers are normally permitted to stay with their children. Fathers, on the other hand, are kept separate and only allowed to visit their spouse and children twice a day for about 15 to 30 minutes, according to the study.

    In some cases, detained asylum seekers have lived in the country without status for years. In detention, they are given the option of keeping their Canadian-born children with them or sending them to live with extended family or in the custody of provincial youth protection services.

    The study examined the experiences of 20 families who were detained in the Toronto and Laval holding centres and found that, in nearly half the cases, children ended up being separated from their parents at some point in the asylum-seeking process.

    In detention, mothers are normally permitted to stay with their children. Fathers, on the other hand, are kept separate and only allowed to visit their spouse and children twice a day for about 15 to 30 minutes, according to the study.

    In some cases, detained asylum seekers have lived in the country without status for years. In detention, they are given the option of keeping their Canadian-born children with them or sending them to live with extended family or in the custody of provincial youth protection services.


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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    11 over the course of a year, due to very special/difficult circumstances, is much different than zero tolerance with 2000 in 2 months 
  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,175
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,308
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.

    my2hands said:
    11 over the course of a year, due to very special/difficult circumstances, is much different than zero tolerance with 2000 in 2 months 
    Like my2hands pointed out RoleModels, there's a HUGE difference between what Trump did and what Canada has done a few times.  Are you trying to argue that what Trump did was OK because Canada did the same thing on a much smaller scale?  That's almost like saying iit was OK for Jeffry Dahmer to eat people because some other people chew finger nails.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.
    You dont see the difference between zero tolerance policy blanketing ALL situations and circumstances resulting in mass detentions equaling 2000 in a few weeks versus a country having to take special action 11 times in a full year? Like the article says, if the family member is deemed dangerous, maybe has a real criminal record or outstanding charge, maybe is abusive and poses a danger to the child, or some other special circumstances, the authorities may have to make difficult decisions and take special action resulting in separation. And this only happened 11 times, I have no problem with that, you may not have a choice in some sitiations.

    Its really not that complicated, why do people struggle so badly with nuance and context?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,352
    my2hands said:
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.
    You dont see the difference between zero tolerance policy blanketing ALL situations and circumstances resulting in mass detentions equaling 2000 in a few weeks versus a country having to take special action 11 times in a full year? Like the article says, if the family member is deemed dangerous, maybe has a real criminal record or outstanding charge, maybe is abusive and poses a danger to the child, or some other special circumstances, the authorities may have to make difficult decisions and take special action resulting in separation. And this only happened 11 times, I have no problem with that, you may not have a choice in some sitiations.

    Its really not that complicated, why do people struggle so badly with nuance and context?
    it's the "but but but her emails" syndrome. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,488
    my2hands said:
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.
    You dont see the difference between zero tolerance policy blanketing ALL situations and circumstances resulting in mass detentions equaling 2000 in a few weeks versus a country having to take special action 11 times in a full year? Like the article says, if the family member is deemed dangerous, maybe has a real criminal record or outstanding charge, maybe is abusive and poses a danger to the child, or some other special circumstances, the authorities may have to make difficult decisions and take special action resulting in separation. And this only happened 11 times, I have no problem with that, you may not have a choice in some sitiations.

    Its really not that complicated, why do people struggle so badly with nuance and context?
    it's the "but but but her emails" syndrome. 
    It’s not just one sided on these forums. Widespread.
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  • Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.
    Lol

    Feeling a little defensive huh? Hey... you got exactly what you asked for with your vote: McDonald Trump. Own it.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    brianlux said:
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.

    my2hands said:
    11 over the course of a year, due to very special/difficult circumstances, is much different than zero tolerance with 2000 in 2 months 
    Like my2hands pointed out RoleModels, there's a HUGE difference between what Trump did and what Canada has done a few times.  Are you trying to argue that what Trump did was OK because Canada did the same thing on a much smaller scale?  That's almost like saying iit was OK for Jeffry Dahmer to eat people because some other people chew finger nails.
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  • brianlux said:
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.

    my2hands said:
    11 over the course of a year, due to very special/difficult circumstances, is much different than zero tolerance with 2000 in 2 months 
    Like my2hands pointed out RoleModels, there's a HUGE difference between what Trump did and what Canada has done a few times.  Are you trying to argue that what Trump did was OK because Canada did the same thing on a much smaller scale?  That's almost like saying iit was OK for Jeffry Dahmer to eat people because some other people chew finger nails.
    lol
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,308
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.

    my2hands said:
    11 over the course of a year, due to very special/difficult circumstances, is much different than zero tolerance with 2000 in 2 months 
    Like my2hands pointed out RoleModels, there's a HUGE difference between what Trump did and what Canada has done a few times.  Are you trying to argue that what Trump did was OK because Canada did the same thing on a much smaller scale?  That's almost like saying iit was OK for Jeffry Dahmer to eat people because some other people chew finger nails.
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    brianlux said:
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.

    my2hands said:
    11 over the course of a year, due to very special/difficult circumstances, is much different than zero tolerance with 2000 in 2 months 
    Like my2hands pointed out RoleModels, there's a HUGE difference between what Trump did and what Canada has done a few times.  Are you trying to argue that what Trump did was OK because Canada did the same thing on a much smaller scale?  That's almost like saying iit was OK for Jeffry Dahmer to eat people because some other people chew finger nails.
    lol
    I don't know what made me say that, lol.  Now I must leave here and go have breakfast and try to think about something else.  :lol:
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.

    my2hands said:
    11 over the course of a year, due to very special/difficult circumstances, is much different than zero tolerance with 2000 in 2 months 
    Like my2hands pointed out RoleModels, there's a HUGE difference between what Trump did and what Canada has done a few times.  Are you trying to argue that what Trump did was OK because Canada did the same thing on a much smaller scale?  That's almost like saying iit was OK for Jeffry Dahmer to eat people because some other people chew finger nails.
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    +1!!!!!!
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Still there were a bunch of folks on here who said the us was the only country who did this.
    Why not provide a link where what is happening in the US is happening elsewhere...


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