14 years and counting...

arq

tempo_n_groove said:

arq said:

arq said:

Hi there

First of all I'm not an US citizen, I'm just one of the lucky ones who's forever in debt to this country for the chance to live the American dream, not the dream about wealth (a big car and a big house), I'm talking about the BIG dream FREEDOM, I consider this country MY country, and as such i could give my life for this country.

But because I'm just a guest here i believe i don't deserve to express my opinions in any national matter, I believe that's a right only for the citizens of this nation. But anyway i would like the hear the opinions of the citizens of this country about the 1070 and immigration in general, I've read a thread that touched that matter but it wasn't the main point, so i ask you to please express your point of view about immigration (legal and illegal).

Thanks

Holy shit I created this post 13 years ago... and now I can be as loud and obnoxious as I want, I've been an American for a few years already LOL

Time moves too fast, take care of the people you love.

Congrats.  I'm surprised you're still around, lol.  One of the OG big time PJ collectors.

Oh man, thanks.

OnWis97

arq said:

arq said:

Hi there

First of all I'm not an US citizen, I'm just one of the lucky ones who's forever in debt to this country for the chance to live the American dream, not the dream about wealth (a big car and a big house), I'm talking about the BIG dream FREEDOM, I consider this country MY country, and as such i could give my life for this country.

But because I'm just a guest here i believe i don't deserve to express my opinions in any national matter, I believe that's a right only for the citizens of this nation. But anyway i would like the hear the opinions of the citizens of this country about the 1070 and immigration in general, I've read a thread that touched that matter but it wasn't the main point, so i ask you to please express your point of view about immigration (legal and illegal).

Thanks

Holy shit I created this post 13 years ago... and now I can be as loud and obnoxious as I want, I've been an American for a few years already LOL

Time moves too fast, take care of the people you love.

There's something funny in here..."Becomes American; decides to be loud and obnoxious."

arq

OnWis97 said:

arq said:

arq said:

Hi there

First of all I'm not an US citizen, I'm just one of the lucky ones who's forever in debt to this country for the chance to live the American dream, not the dream about wealth (a big car and a big house), I'm talking about the BIG dream FREEDOM, I consider this country MY country, and as such i could give my life for this country.

But because I'm just a guest here i believe i don't deserve to express my opinions in any national matter, I believe that's a right only for the citizens of this nation. But anyway i would like the hear the opinions of the citizens of this country about the 1070 and immigration in general, I've read a thread that touched that matter but it wasn't the main point, so i ask you to please express your point of view about immigration (legal and illegal).

Thanks

Holy shit I created this post 13 years ago... and now I can be as loud and obnoxious as I want, I've been an American for a few years already LOL

Time moves too fast, take care of the people you love.

There's something funny in here..."Becomes American; decides to be loud and obnoxious."

LOL

Halifax2TheMax

C’mon, let’s see your USA! USA! USA! chant, say the Pledge of Allegiance and mouth the words to the national anthem after removing your cap and placing your right hand over your heart. And you better damn well stand up too. Otherwise, you’re not a‘Murican.

arq

Halifax2TheMax said:

C’mon, let’s see your USA! USA! USA! chant, say the Pledge of Allegiance and mouth the words to the national anthem after removing your cap and placing your right hand over your heart. And you better damn well stand up too. Otherwise, you’re not a‘Murican.

don't test me

Halifax2TheMax

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

C’mon, let’s see your USA! USA! USA! chant, say the Pledge of Allegiance and mouth the words to the national anthem after removing your cap and placing your right hand over your heart. And you better damn well stand up too. Otherwise, you’re not a‘Murican.

don't test me

You got a Harley to go along with that? Otherwise, not ‘murican.

arq

Halifax2TheMax said:

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

C’mon, let’s see your USA! USA! USA! chant, say the Pledge of Allegiance and mouth the words to the national anthem after removing your cap and placing your right hand over your heart. And you better damn well stand up too. Otherwise, you’re not a‘Murican.

don't test me

You got a Harley to go along with that? Otherwise, not ‘murican.

I don't do guns or bikes, I'm more of a McDonalds 'murican.

Halifax2TheMax

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

C’mon, let’s see your USA! USA! USA! chant, say the Pledge of Allegiance and mouth the words to the national anthem after removing your cap and placing your right hand over your heart. And you better damn well stand up too. Otherwise, you’re not a‘Murican.

don't test me

You got a Harley to go along with that? Otherwise, not ‘murican.

I don't do guns or bikes, I'm more of a McDonalds 'murican.

Careful, you’ll blow up like a tick and need our expensive healthcare sooner rather than later. Have you heard of kale?

arq

Halifax2TheMax said:

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

C’mon, let’s see your USA! USA! USA! chant, say the Pledge of Allegiance and mouth the words to the national anthem after removing your cap and placing your right hand over your heart. And you better damn well stand up too. Otherwise, you’re not a‘Murican.

don't test me

You got a Harley to go along with that? Otherwise, not ‘murican.

I don't do guns or bikes, I'm more of a McDonalds 'murican.

Careful, you’ll blow up like a tick and need our expensive healthcare sooner rather than later. Have you heard of kale?

I'm not a pussy, I'm not afraid of a little saturated fats, high sodium, and corn syrup.

tempo_n_groove

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

C’mon, let’s see your USA! USA! USA! chant, say the Pledge of Allegiance and mouth the words to the national anthem after removing your cap and placing your right hand over your heart. And you better damn well stand up too. Otherwise, you’re not a‘Murican.

don't test me

You got a Harley to go along with that? Otherwise, not ‘murican.

I don't do guns or bikes, I'm more of a McDonalds 'murican.

Careful, you’ll blow up like a tick and need our expensive healthcare sooner rather than later. Have you heard of kale?

I'm not a pussy, I'm not afraid of a little saturated fats, high sodium, and corn syrup.

Now we’re talkin!  Just get some tobaacky and some Budweiser and you’re goldenrod.

arq

tempo_n_groove said:

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

arq said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

C’mon, let’s see your USA! USA! USA! chant, say the Pledge of Allegiance and mouth the words to the national anthem after removing your cap and placing your right hand over your heart. And you better damn well stand up too. Otherwise, you’re not a‘Murican.

don't test me

You got a Harley to go along with that? Otherwise, not ‘murican.

I don't do guns or bikes, I'm more of a McDonalds 'murican.

Careful, you’ll blow up like a tick and need our expensive healthcare sooner rather than later. Have you heard of kale?

I'm not a pussy, I'm not afraid of a little saturated fats, high sodium, and corn syrup.

Now we’re talkin!  Just get some tobaacky and some Budweiser and you’re goldenrod.

Not bud light tho 🤣

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/theliamnissan/status/1733671817326272560?t=jeZu4Z2SxB1IcDJl6pUqhQ&s=19

mickeyrat

I seem to recall gop shooting down a bill that had money for more CPB agents......

https://apnews.com/article/lukeville-arizona-border-crossing-closed-ae04e8c861a95e98dbfc8d49244cf092   Smugglers are bringing migrants to a remote Arizona border crossing, overwhelming US agents

 

Smugglers are bringing migrants to a remote Arizona border crossing, overwhelming US agents

By ANITA SNOW

Today

LUKEVILLE, Ariz. (AP) — Gerston Miranda and his wife were among thousands of migrants recently arriving at this remote area on Arizona's southern border with Mexico, squeezing into the United States through a gap in the wall and walking overnight about 14 miles (23 kilometers) with two school-aged daughters to surrender to Border Patrol agents.

“There is no security in my country," said the 28-year-old from Ecuador, who lost work when his employer closed due to extortion by criminals. "Without security you cannot work. You cannot live.”

A shift in smuggling routes has brought an influx of migrants here from countries as diverse as Senegal, Bangladesh and China, prompting the Border Patrol to seek help from other federal agencies and drawing scrutiny to an issue critical in next year’s presidential elections.

With hundreds of migrants crossing daily in the area, the U.S. government on Monday indefinitely shut down the nearby international crossing between Lukeville, Arizona, and Sonoyta, Mexico, to free Customs and Border Protection officers assigned to the port of entry to help with transportation and other support. The agency also has partially closed a few other border ports of entry in recent months, including a pedestrian crossing in San Diego and a bridge in Eagle Pass, Texas.

Critics of the move, including Arizona Democratic Gov. Katie Hobbs; the state's two U.S. senators, the governor of Mexico's Sonora state and the leadership of the nearby Tohono O’odham Nation, said it could harm trade and tourism. Hobbs urged President Joe Biden to reassign the 243 National Guard members already in the Tucson sector to help reopen the Lukeville crossing.

The morning after it was closed, about a dozen Border Patrol agents in olive green uniforms watched over some 400 migrants who had spent the night by the towering wall of steel bollards, wrapped in shiny Mylar blankets they later discarded among saguaro cactus and Palo Verde trees.

Three or four times as many CBP field operations officers in navy blue uniforms helped the migrants into white vans for a short drive to a canopied field intake center. From there, agents took migrants for processing to the Border Patrol’s Ajo station, a half-hour north, or to other locations such as Tucson.

U.S. authorities have been so short-handed in Arizona that they have used charter flights to transfer some migrants from Tucson to three Texas border cities for processing, according Witness at the Border, an advocacy group that analyzes flight data.

Federal air marshals who provide security on commercial flights, and even Federal Protective Service officers who guard U.S. government buildings, are being diverted to the border, officials have said, without saying exactly where they are going.

“We are seeing a lot of different kinds of uniforms down here,” humanitarian aid worker Tom Wingo said in Lukeville.

Nonprofit groups worry about the migrants' well-being.

“This is a humanitarian crisis that’s happening in our own backyard,” said Dora Rodriguez, chairperson of the Tucson nonprofit Humane Borders, which keeps water tanks on the border for migrants. “There are hundreds of people, including infants and children, who are stranded in remote areas of the desert for days.”

The Lukeville area's popularity as a place to cross the border from Mexico into the U.S. emerged in recent months. It's one of the most striking examples of migrants shifting to a remote area, putting the Border Patrol on its heels. In 2019, Antelope Wells, New Mexico, became a popular spot. This year also has seen hundreds of migrants camping in the mountains of Jacumba Hot Springs, California, waiting for agents to process them.

Because Lukeville is so remote, Border Patrol staffing is light, so traffickers in the region controlled by Mexico’s Sinaloa cartel steer people there. The arrivals last week included 41-year-old Luiz Velazquez, his wife and their three children from Zacatecas, a Mexican state plagued by drug cartel violence.

Heat-related illness was a major concern several months ago when daytime temperatures climbed into the triple digits. The worry now is overnight temperatures in the 40s, in a place where the closest hospitals and nonprofit migrant shelters are nearly two hours away.

Chris Clem, a retired Yuma, Arizona, sector chief, said it is part of smugglers’ strategy to stretch agents as thinly as possible, forcing highway checkpoints to close and other resources to be diverted for processing migrants. The remoteness creates “enormous strain” on the Border Patrol, he said.

Art Del Cueto, a Tucson-based vice president with the National Border Patrol Council, said the union wants stricter measures to deter migrants from coming. He said it’s not so much a matter of too few agents, but one of too many migrants.

Heading into next year’s presidential elections, the border is a top issue for voters, especially Republicans, and immigration issues could be a liability for Biden, a Democrat, as he runs for reelection.

A national AP-NORC poll conducted in November found about half of U.S. adults say increasing security at the U.S.-Mexico border should be a “high priority” for the federal government, with 3 in 10 calling it a “moderate priority.” Republicans were more likely than Democrats to call it a high priority.

Biden’s approach to immigration combines new legal pathways to enter the country with more restrictions on asylum for those who cross the border illegally. Former President Donald Trump, the GOP front-runner for the 2024 nomination, has promised even tougher hardline immigration policies in a second term.

Additional funding for border security has been held up in Congress over a package to provide additional aid to Israel and Ukraine in their wars against Hamas and Russia.

John Modlin, the Border Patrol's Tucson sector chief, said Friday that the agency made 18,900 arrests for illegal crossings the previous week in the sector that includes most of Arizona's border with Mexico. That translates to a daily average of 2,700 arrests, well above October's daily average of less than 1,800 and barely 700 in December 2022.

The 2020 census listed Lukeville's population as 35, but the mobile home park where many residents lived now appears abandoned, with boarded up buildings and a scattering of old manufactured homes. A previously busy service station and store that sold ice and snacks to travelers was closed indefinitely on Monday.

The Lukeville border crossing is also popular among U.S. residents driving from Arizona to the popular resort of Puerto Peñasco, or Rocky Point. Nicknamed “Arizona’s beach," it is about 62 miles (100 kilometers) south of the border on the northern shores of the Sea of Cortez.

Americans who want to travel to Puerto Peñasco now must cross through Nogales, a three-hour drive to the east, or San Luis, a two-hour drive to the west.

Alfonso Durazo, the governor of Mexico's Sonora state has asked officials of both countries to “undertake all necessary efforts necessary to resume as soon as possible the extraordinary commercial, tourist and social relationship that have historically distinguished Sonora and Arizona."

"The solution is not to close border crossings,” Durazo said.

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Associated Press writers Elliot Spagat in San Diego, Maria Verza in Mexico City and Rebecca Santana and Linley Sanders in Washington contributed to this report.

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1734657488316981573?t=3SxyH0w_0ENFvNJFgvpOyQ&s=19

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/arizona-border-national-guard-7f222b37ac7504bea0f0ef6a2f387ef0   Arizona's governor is sending the state's National Guard to the border to help with a migrant influx

 

Arizona's governor is sending the state's National Guard to the border to help with a migrant influx

By ANITA SNOW

1 hour ago

PHOENIX (AP) — Arizona's governor on Friday ordered the state's National Guard to the border with Mexico to help federal officials manage an influx of migrants.

Democratic Gov. Katie Hobbs said she issued the executive order because “the federal government is refusing to do its job to secure our border and keep our communities safe.”

“I am taking action where the federal government won’t,” Hobbs said.

It was unclear when the troops would arrive at the border and exactly how many would be mobilized.

Hobbs asked President Joe Biden's administration a week ago to mobilize 243 Arizona National Guard troops already in the Border Patrol's Tucson sector that includes Lukeville, Arizona, to help federal officers reopen the border crossing that was indefinitely closed Dec. 4.

Customs and Border Protection has said shutting down the official crossing was necessary to allow personnel stationed there to help Border Patrol agents manage the hundreds of migrants illegally crossing in that area daily.

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Although remote, the crossing is a popular route for Arizonans traveling to the Mexican resort of Puerto Peñasco, or Rocky Point, about 62 miles (100 kilometers) south of the border on the northern shores of the Sea of Cortez.

Hobbs said the National Guard members will be stationed at multiple locations along the southern border, including around Lukeville.

There, they will support state and local agencies engaged in law enforcement, including interdiction of illegal drugs and human trafficking.

The San Miguel crossing located farther east on the Tohono O'odham Nation is also seeing hundreds of migrant arrivals daily, but tribal officials said the National Guard would not be stationed on the reservation.

“We are in close communication with Governor Hobbs on this issue," said Verlon Jose, chairman of the Tohono O’odham Nation. "We made clear that no National Guard would be deployed to the Nation and her office has agreed. Today’s action by the Governor is a necessary step in addressing the current crisis at the border.”

Hobbs said the Biden administration had not responded to her request that the U.S. government reimburse Arizona for border security spending.

Customs and Border Protection officials said they did not have an immediate response to the governor's decision.

The Arizona Department of Emergency and Military Affairs, National Guard confirmed Friday afternoon it was activating members.

Major Gen. Kerry L. Muehlenbeck, who oversees the Arizona National Guard, noted that in September it wrapped up a 30-month active-duty mission providing support to law enforcement agencies in southern Arizona.

Muehlenbeck said the earlier mission provided logistics, administrative, cyber, and medical support.

U.S. Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva, who represents southern Arizona, said he disagreed with Hobbs' executive order.

"But I do appreciate that Governor Hobbs has rejected the brutal and cruel tactics of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and Texas Governor Greg Abbott who have taken advantage of this crisis to inhumanely and illegally use migrants as political pawns and to politicize and pander instead of working on real solutions,” Grijalva said in a statement.

josevolution

It’s funny how the Republicans & MAGA cult want the Spanish immigrants from central & South American countries out of here and stop the flow I can understand the need to stopping the overflow, but they never ever mention immigrants from the Eastern European immigrants! I was coming out of shopping store I saw a man with sign stating no job no money need to eat, I stopped gave him 10$ and asked where are you from he answered in broken Spanish he was from Romania he couldn’t get no work no papers he said he learned Spanish from his brother in law. Yet the immigrants from Central America come here and get to work somehow they just do! 

tempo_n_groove

josevolution said:

It’s funny how the Republicans & MAGA cult want the Spanish immigrants from central & South American countries out of here and stop the flow I can understand the need to stopping the overflow, but they never ever mention immigrants from the Eastern European immigrants! I was coming out of shopping store I saw a man with sign stating no job no money need to eat, I stopped gave him 10$ and asked where are you from he answered in broken Spanish he was from Romania he couldn’t get no work no papers he said he learned Spanish from his brother in law. Yet the immigrants from Central America come here and get to work somehow they just do! 

The Spanish speakers can network a little easier.  Speaking Romanian you have a disadvantage.

The migrants crossing the border from the South are from all over.  Port a Prince was an odd one, Afghanistan was another.  It's become a pipeline because the other countries funnel them through so they dont have to worry about them.

mace1229

josevolution said:

It’s funny how the Republicans & MAGA cult want the Spanish immigrants from central & South American countries out of here and stop the flow I can understand the need to stopping the overflow, but they never ever mention immigrants from the Eastern European immigrants! I was coming out of shopping store I saw a man with sign stating no job no money need to eat, I stopped gave him 10$ and asked where are you from he answered in broken Spanish he was from Romania he couldn’t get no work no papers he said he learned Spanish from his brother in law. Yet the immigrants from Central America come here and get to work somehow they just do! 

I think it's obvious why Eastern European immigrants aren't a target. They make up a small fraction of immigration. 

from: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/us/where-immigrants-come-from-cec/index.html

And according to https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/european-immigrants-united-states-2010 , only 12% of immigrants are European, and only 44% of those are from Eastern Europe. So of all the Eastern Europe countries combined, they make up about 5% of the immigration.
If anyone wants to slow immigration down, why focus on the 5% and ignore the much bigger contributing factors? 

Merkin Baller

"They're poisoning the blood of the nation."

Your boy is literally echoing Adolf Hitler. 

Halifax2TheMax

Merkin Baller said:

"They're poisoning the blood of the nation."

Your boy is literally echoing Adolf Hitler. 

As well as having had anchor babies with two different immigrants. But you know, Hunter’s laptop. Maybe you’ve heard about it? If not, here’s a link:

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/292176/hunter-biden-laptop-controversy/p19