14 years and counting...

nicknyr15

https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/09/27/new-city-hall-flyers-discouraging-migrants-from-coming-to-nyc-contain-misleading-information/

embarrassing 

Out of My Mind and Time

tempo_n_groove

nicknyr15 said:

https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/09/27/new-city-hall-flyers-discouraging-migrants-from-coming-to-nyc-contain-misleading-information/

embarrassing 

I've mentioned this about the flyers.

These might be old now considering that they are now fast tracking work permits like the article says but this wasn't the case a dew weeks ago.

The housing thing is also correct as Adams has publicly stated that there might not be a room for you and that is true considering we are putting people on Randal's Island and school gyms.  The article is correct in that migrants are still being housed because it is a law in NYC.

There isn't anything shocking in the article that I haven't mentioned on here, good article though, thx Nick.

Lerxst1992

Out of My Mind and Time said:

Kind of sad cartoon when it’s your gun exports causing this problem.

tempo_n_groove

Lerxst1992 said:

Out of My Mind and Time said:

Kind of sad cartoon when it’s your gun exports causing this problem.

I'd say it's a wee bit more than gun running that's driving this, just a hunch.

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1708092082236055914?t=lFhQU8KAPo1gW6rIstA2fA&s=19

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1708092082236055914?t=lFhQU8KAPo1gW6rIstA2fA&s=19

"Nothing is being done."

mickeyrat

just so everyone is clear here....

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-in-the-united-states

Affirmative Asylum Processing with USCIS  

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.  You must apply for asylum within 1 year of the date of your last arrival in the United States, unless you can show:     

 Changed circumstances that materially affect your eligibility for asylum or extraordinary circumstances relating to the delay in filing; and     You filed within a reasonable amount of time given those circumstances. 

 You may apply for affirmative asylum by submitting Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, to USCIS.  If your case is not approved and you do not have a legal immigration status, we will issue a Form I-862, Notice to Appear (NTA), and refer your case to an immigration judge with the Department of Justice's Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR). The immigration judge conducts a “de novo” hearing of the case. This means that the judge conducts a new hearing and issues a decision that is independent of the decision made by USCIS. In certain circumstances, if USCIS does not have jurisdiction over your case, the asylum office will issue a Form I-863, Notice of Referral to Immigration Judge, for an asylum-only hearing. 

See the section “Defensive Asylum Processing With EOIR” below if this situation applies to you.  

If you were previously issued an NTA that was not filed and docketed with the EOIR immigration court, or your previously issued NTA was filed and docketed with EOIR either shortly before (within 21 days) or after you filed your Form I-589 with USCIS, USCIS will refile your NTA (if necessary) and send your Form I-589 to the immigration court for adjudication.  

To determine where to file your Form I-589, follow the instructions under the “Where to File” section on our Form I-589 page.

 For more information, please see What Happens After You File Your Form I-589 With USCIS.  You may live in the United States while your Form I-589 is pending before USCIS. 

If you are found ineligible, you can remain in the United States while your Form I-589 is pending with the immigration judge. Asylum applicants are not authorized to work unless you meet certain requirements.

 For more information, please see Permission to Work in the United States. Affirmative asylum applicants are rarely detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). 

 Please see the Affirmative Asylum Process for step-by-step information on applying for asylum through the affirmative asylum process.

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1708092082236055914?t=lFhQU8KAPo1gW6rIstA2fA&s=19

I agree with a lot of this. But here's my response;

It's been a problem longer than I've been alive, so Biden alone isn't to blame. But each month and year seems like we are reaching record numbers of illegal crossings, so it is more than fair to criticize the current administration over it. 

The point about due process. I believe there are exceptions for migrants caught illegally crossing at the border, the same due process doesn't apply as if I were accused of a crime as already an established living in the country. I don't know all the differences, but the laws at and near the border are different. 
What many people criticize is the "catch and release" practice. Just give them a court appearance date 3 months down the road knowing 99% of them never show up, and just shrug our shoulders and say "o well, we tried.". That whole concept is ridiculous. If we insist on due process, detain them short term and process them quickly.
I know it's easier said than done, and it's becoming a catch 22. We don't have the manpower or facilities to do that anymore. Migrants know that so they come in larger numbers. Since there's too many to properly process we don't, and the cycle repeats
I don't know what the answer is. But its obvious to anyone who bothers to look, that the current system is broken.

mickeyrat

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1708092082236055914?t=lFhQU8KAPo1gW6rIstA2fA&s=19

I agree with a lot of this. But here's my response;

It's been a problem longer than I've been alive, so Biden alone isn't to blame. But each month and year seems like we are reaching record numbers of illegal crossings, so it is more than fair to criticize the current administration over it. 

The point about due process. I believe there are exceptions for migrants caught illegally crossing at the border, the same due process doesn't apply as if I were accused of a crime as already an established living in the country. I don't know all the differences, but the laws at and near the border are different. 
What many people criticize is the "catch and release" practice. Just give them a court appearance date 3 months down the road knowing 99% of them never show up, and just shrug our shoulders and say "o well, we tried.". That whole concept is ridiculous. If we insist on due process, detain them short term and process them quickly.
I know it's easier said than done, and it's becoming a catch 22. We don't have the manpower or facilities to do that anymore. Migrants know that so they come in larger numbers. Since there's too many to properly process we don't, and the cycle repeats
I don't know what the answer is. But its obvious to anyone who bothers to look, that the current system is broken.

immigration isnt criminal. its civil.

it doesnt matter where someone crosses. tgeuhave the right to apply for asylum.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-in-the-united-states

and if CONGRESS chooses to not do what does need done, how does it fall on the Admin in a given term?

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1708092082236055914?t=lFhQU8KAPo1gW6rIstA2fA&s=19

"Nothing is being done."

ur an idiot

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1708092082236055914?t=lFhQU8KAPo1gW6rIstA2fA&s=19

I agree with a lot of this. But here's my response;

It's been a problem longer than I've been alive, so Biden alone isn't to blame. But each month and year seems like we are reaching record numbers of illegal crossings, so it is more than fair to criticize the current administration over it. 

The point about due process. I believe there are exceptions for migrants caught illegally crossing at the border, the same due process doesn't apply as if I were accused of a crime as already an established living in the country. I don't know all the differences, but the laws at and near the border are different. 
What many people criticize is the "catch and release" practice. Just give them a court appearance date 3 months down the road knowing 99% of them never show up, and just shrug our shoulders and say "o well, we tried.". That whole concept is ridiculous. If we insist on due process, detain them short term and process them quickly.
I know it's easier said than done, and it's becoming a catch 22. We don't have the manpower or facilities to do that anymore. Migrants know that so they come in larger numbers. Since there's too many to properly process we don't, and the cycle repeats
I don't know what the answer is. But its obvious to anyone who bothers to look, that the current system is broken.

NY is speeding up the work permit process to get people from out of the shelters but youre right.  Record numbers of people are coming in.

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1708092082236055914?t=lFhQU8KAPo1gW6rIstA2fA&s=19

I agree with a lot of this. But here's my response;

It's been a problem longer than I've been alive, so Biden alone isn't to blame. But each month and year seems like we are reaching record numbers of illegal crossings, so it is more than fair to criticize the current administration over it. 

The point about due process. I believe there are exceptions for migrants caught illegally crossing at the border, the same due process doesn't apply as if I were accused of a crime as already an established living in the country. I don't know all the differences, but the laws at and near the border are different. 
What many people criticize is the "catch and release" practice. Just give them a court appearance date 3 months down the road knowing 99% of them never show up, and just shrug our shoulders and say "o well, we tried.". That whole concept is ridiculous. If we insist on due process, detain them short term and process them quickly.
I know it's easier said than done, and it's becoming a catch 22. We don't have the manpower or facilities to do that anymore. Migrants know that so they come in larger numbers. Since there's too many to properly process we don't, and the cycle repeats
I don't know what the answer is. But its obvious to anyone who bothers to look, that the current system is broken.

immigration isnt criminal. its civil.

it doesnt matter where someone crosses. tgeuhave the right to apply for asylum.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-in-the-united-states

and if CONGRESS chooses to not do what does need done, how does it fall on the Admin in a given term?

How is it not criminal? There are laws on how to enter, and if you don't follow it, you've broken the law and can face fines and/or jail time.

I don't know all the requirements, but there is expedited removal, which is a a statute from the 90s that allows deportation without due process in some cases. I believe some the the requirements are within a certain proximity of the border. Which makes sense, I mean, if a border agent witnesses people crossing illegally, they should be allowed to turn them back and say "nope, not allowed to cross here, go to the border entry." Compared to someone found in the back of a truck 200 miles from the border with 15 other people..

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1708092082236055914?t=lFhQU8KAPo1gW6rIstA2fA&s=19

"Nothing is being done."

ur an idiot

Quoting for posterity. And I’ll say it again as you seem to believe it, “nothing is being done.”

Whats the skinny on the moped set’s cell phone possession? Are they Obama phones or not?

Lerxst1992

tempo_n_groove said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Out of My Mind and Time said:

Kind of sad cartoon when it’s your gun exports causing this problem.

I'd say it's a wee bit more than gun running that's driving this, just a hunch.

Sure poverty and ineffective governments are high on the list but what makes people flea faster than an american made assault weapon pointed at their heads?

tempo_n_groove

Lerxst1992 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Out of My Mind and Time said:

Kind of sad cartoon when it’s your gun exports causing this problem.

I'd say it's a wee bit more than gun running that's driving this, just a hunch.

Sure poverty and ineffective governments are high on the list but what makes people flea faster than an american made assault weapon pointed at their heads?

I think the AK is more widely used than the M4, no?

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1708092082236055914?t=lFhQU8KAPo1gW6rIstA2fA&s=19

"Nothing is being done."

ur an idiot

Quoting for posterity. And I’ll say it again as you seem to believe it, “nothing is being done.”

Whats the skinny on the moped set’s cell phone possession? Are they Obama phones or not?

Youre right too, forgot to mention that.

mickeyrat

makes them "illegal" immigrants as well, no?

https://twitter.com/CIS_org/status/1672231724070371329?t=T-S5QjBGpDLWTrWjOfyw5w&s=19

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1709553333319463310?t=HpQMgLuy6F4Gd8BUSu1NLw&s=19

Halifax2TheMax

Sound familiar?

Europe’s right-wing drift takes its most alarming turn in Germany

NORDHAUSEN, Germany — Populist, nationalist and illiberal parties are rising across Europe, peddling a rancid brew of intolerance toward migrants, LGBTQ+ people, Ukraine’s survival and, often, the niceties of democracy itself. But in few places has a right-wing party so extreme surged so quickly as in Germany — even as some of its most prominent leaders trade in barely veiled echoes of the country’s Nazi past.

It’s even more chilling that Alternative for Germany, known as AfD, is now the most popular party across most of the former East Germany, including in one state, Thuringia, where Hitler’s National Socialist Party had its first great success. And it remains to be seen whether the country’s more populous, prosperous and globalized western states will hold out as a firewall against the ethno-nationalist blaze sweeping Europe’s biggest, most consequential nation.

“Whether Germans have learned from their history is an open question,” Sergej Lochthofen, the retired editor of Thuringia’s biggest newspaper, told me.

In France, the main right-wing party, for decades the refuge of scoundrels besotted with World War II’s collaborationist Vichy regime, now vies for the top spot in national polling. Rightist parties either lead governments or share power in Italy, Hungary, Poland, Sweden, Finland and elsewhere.

On Saturday, populism’s rise struck Slovakia, with the parliamentary election success of the overtly pro-Russian, nationalist Smer party, which vows to end support for Ukraine.

But the surge toward a nationalist, populist extremism has been particularly pronounced in Germany, and no other places perhaps have more-dangerous implications for Europe’s stability.

“This is the paradox,” Michael Mickenberg, a scholar of right-wing movements, told me. “The usual pattern is that radical positions repel voters. Here you see both radicalization of the party and growing electoral support.”

AfD remains anathema in polite German society, its elected representatives shunned in the national parliament and state legislatures where they have a foothold. But its appeal has grown as Germany slipped into recession this year, even as the country made a historic pivot from defense-spending laggard to Europe’s leading military supplier for Ukraine, and saw a surge in asylum seekers.

Bigotry and overt racism, along with calls for mass deportation, are staples of AfD’s rhetoric. One prominent figure in the party, Björn Höcke, has suggested that “Africans’ reproductive habits” were unacceptable in Germany, and called on Germans to stop atoning for Nazi crimes, insisting they take a more “positive” view of the nation’s history.

Höcke is facing a criminal charge for ending a 2021 speech with a known Nazi slogan (“Everything for Germany”); his lawyer has said the charge is unwarranted, according to the Guardian. Many in Germany regard Höcke as a fringe figure, but he is also widely considered the party’s de facto leader. German state security service regards the party as a threat.

Yet in recent polls, AfD is now Germany’s second-most popular party, commanding the support of nearly one-quarter of respondents and leading all three parties in Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s awkward center-left governing coalition.

AfD is No. 1 in most of the territory that constitutes the former East Germany. Its strong showing across much of the country is shocking in a multiparty system where one-quarter of the national vote in past elections has been enough to lead the pack. An equal concern is that the Scholz government lacks any apparent strategy to respond.

I recently went to Thuringia to get a closer look at AfD in its strongholds. In the small town of Nordhausen, where the Nazis developed the V-2 rocket — the miracle weapon that Adolf Hitler thought would bring Britain to its knees — I met with Jörg Prophet, a local AfD figure. He lost a recent mayoral election, but still managed about 45 percent of the vote.

Prophet, 61, was raised in communist East Germany, where revisionist World War II history framed the capitalist West, not Hitler and his jackbooted legions, as the war’s real villain. The politician clings to some of that twisted history. The Allies whose bombing leveled Nordhausen, he said a few years ago, “showed as little morality” as the Nazis. That’s a staggering assertion in Thuringia, where tens of thousands of prisoners died at Buchenwald, one of the Third Reich’s earliest and biggest concentration camps.

An engineer who has built a family automotive business, Prophet was a pleasant companion for drinks — courtly manners, civil tone, earnest presentation. He sidestepped questions about Höcke and his indictment for using the Nazi slogan. Höcke is “an easy target,” Prophet said.

Yet Prophet and another AfD official who tagged along barely concealed their contempt for Germany’s large migrant community and the recent wave of asylum seekers.

They insisted the party is the only one in Germany squarely addressing the immigration problem, which they characterized in stereotypes — migrants who are violent; refuse to work; make little effort to learn the German language and customs; and live off the state’s generous social benefits.

“We are not an immigration country,” Prophet said, heedless of the roughly 8 million residents of non-European Union backgrounds. “The solution is to require migrants to work and adhere to our rules. If they don’t, then you have to say, ‘Thanks, but please go home.’”

Mass deportation is a fever dream in a country beset by a severe shortage of workers, including in blue-collar roles. The idea has bloomed in the fertile ground of the former East German states, where incomes, pensions and inherited wealth are a fraction of those in the west. In the eastern states — older, whiter and suspicious of globalization — resentment runs deep. Even three decades after reunification, none of the 40 firms in the DAX index, Germany’s equivalent of the Dow Jones Industrial Average, are based there.

The Scholz government appears to have no fix, and it has floundered in trying to fashion a policy that would temper the magnetic pull that Germany’s social welfare benefits represent for asylum seekers who make it to Europe. Scholz himself — colorless, cautious, fully committed to Ukraine’s increasingly unpopular cause — looks like the wrong man at the wrong time to take on AfD. He has mostly ignored the party even as it overtook his own Social Democrats, which won Germany’s 2021 elections.

Ignoring AfD seems a losing strategy, given Germany’s lackluster leadership. “It would help to have more inspirational political leaders in the vein of Churchill or Willy Brandt,” said Minkenberg.

Yet no such towering figures are waiting in the wings, and no German politicians have found the right messaging to turn back AfD’s gains. Without that countervailing force, Europe’s already precarious future might soon look even grimmer.

Opinion | Alternative for Germany increases Europe’s far-right turn - The Washington Post