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81 wrote:

Pippen and Grant were drafted in 87.....Phil took over the bulls during the summer of 89, the start of Pippen and Grant's 3rd season. he was also there for several years before he was head coach as an assistant. you really need to sit down and watch a Phil coached team play an entire season. you might think different.

have jordan or kobe ever won a ring without phil?

mdigenakis

CROJAM95 wrote:

http://www.nydailynews.com/

I want to beleive this. I really do.

The Juggler

81 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

right. he inherrited them at the prime of their careers. kobe came into the league in 96, not 94, and thats the year shack went to la. do you really think kobe was ready to lead a team to a championship at 18 years of age? or 19? or 20? i don't.

phil got him at the beginning of his 4th year....right when he was entering his prime and right smack in the middle of shack's prime....also when they added all their core supporting cast.

he's a great coach. i would just have a whole lot more respect for him had he took over chicago or la from the ground up instead of inheriting all time players in the prime of their careers.

larry brown's a better coach than phil jackson.

Pippen and Grant were drafted in 87.....Phil took over the bulls during the summer of 89, the start of Pippen and Grant's 3rd season. he was also there for several years before he was head coach as an assistant. you really need to sit down and watch a Phil coached team play an entire season. you might think different.

i believe you're proving my point man. he took over these teams as their best players were reaching the prime of their careers.

certainly helps to have a hall of fame assitant as your right hand man your entire career too. the triangle offense was tex winters creation not phil jackson's.

81

The Jeagler wrote:

i believe you're proving my point man. he took over these teams as their best players were reaching the prime of their careers.

certainly helps to have a hall of fame assitant as your right hand man your entire career too. the triangle offense was tex winters creation not phil jackson's.

trust me, i know Tex. Tex rocks. However, you can't discount the fact that Phil was an assitant and had influence there before head coach....and i still challenge you to sit down and watch a Phil season.

81

latest tidbit of rumor is....

Leborn is changing a tax bill address from his Akron address to a chicago address

norm

81 wrote:

you might think different.

only way that'll happen is if phil coaches the sixers...then phil will be a god in jeags eyes

Kilgore_Trout

81 wrote:

latest tidbit of rumor is....

Leborn is changing a tax bill address from his Akron address to a chicago address

aw man... i better not have to take back all the shit i've been talking the past few days... :x

Black Diamond

So is Chicago out with the signing of Boozer?

The Juggler

81 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

i believe you're proving my point man. he took over these teams as their best players were reaching the prime of their careers.

certainly helps to have a hall of fame assitant as your right hand man your entire career too. the triangle offense was tex winters creation not phil jackson's.

trust me, i know Tex. Tex rocks. However, you can't discount the fact that Phil was an assitant and had influence there before head coach....and i still challenge you to sit down and watch a Phil season.

tough for me to watch a "phil" season when i dont live in the city he coaches in...and, you know, not being a fraud and all.

but i've watched plenty of basketball in my time. i watched plenty of bulls games back in the 90's and i admit he is a great coach. there is no debating that.

but someone asked if its possible to be overrated when you've won as many championships as phil jackson has. well, the answer is yes for the reasons i have laid out.

actually, i would go out and get the nba package to watch a "phil" season if he goes to some team like the grizzlies or the nets and builds a franchise from the ground up. but we all know that will never happen.

Kilgore_Trout

Black Diamond wrote:

So is Chicago out with the signing of Boozer?

hmm... i wouldnt say so

nice to have another dukey on the bulls though

CROJAM95

Black Diamond wrote:

So is Chicago out with the signing of Boozer?

I think the Jordan factor plays heavy in the minds of free agents. Not just following his footsteps, looks like Scottie and mj have had issues with ownership

I think talent wise, Chicago makes the most sense.

81

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

81 wrote:

latest tidbit of rumor is....

Leborn is changing a tax bill address from his Akron address to a chicago address

aw man... i better not have to take back all the shit i've been talking the past few days... :x

i don't know if this means anything. seems odd.

but if anybody cares, his property tax bill is 180,000

CROJAM95

81 wrote:

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

81 wrote:

latest tidbit of rumor is....

Leborn is changing a tax bill address from his Akron address to a chicago address

aw man... i better not have to take back all the shit i've been talking the past few days... :x

i don't know if this means anything. seems odd.

but if anybody cares, his property tax bill is 180,000

that's insane

81

go look at his house...

norm

http://bit.ly/91vAJC

markymark550

with all the media circus regarding James/Wade/Bosh, I gotta say I respect Kevin Durant a whole lot more for the way he did it...

Durant quietly signed a 5 year extension with the Thunder, then thanked the organization and his fans...very classy...plus, I think he's every bit the player those other guys are

Wobbie

le bron is going to utah.............is also going to convert to mormonism. :shifty:

CROJAM95

markymark550 wrote:

with all the media circus regarding James/Wade/Bosh, I gotta say I respect Kevin Durant a whole lot more for the way he did it...

Durant quietly signed a 5 year extension with the Thunder, then thanked the organization and his fans...very classy...plus, I think he's every bit the player those other guys are

I agree with what ur saying about Durant, he's the real deal. He was also smart in taking the $$ now as opposed to next year due to the CBA being less favorable for players. That's why it would be tough for Melo to turn down denvers offer of 3yrs/65mil

Lebron/Wade/bosh and others picked a good year to be free agents

markymark550

CROJAM95 wrote:

markymark550 wrote:

with all the media circus regarding James/Wade/Bosh, I gotta say I respect Kevin Durant a whole lot more for the way he did it...

Durant quietly signed a 5 year extension with the Thunder, then thanked the organization and his fans...very classy...plus, I think he's every bit the player those other guys are

I agree with what ur saying about Durant, he's the real deal. He was also smart in taking the $$ now as opposed to next year due to the CBA being less favorable for players. That's why it would be tough for Melo to turn down denvers offer of 3yrs/65mil

Lebron/Wade/bosh and others picked a good year to be free agents

I'm sure the CBA had a lot to do with Durant going ahead and locking up a deal. I'm more impressed with the way he handled his business and didn't make it a circus. Shows a lot more maturity than the max-offer guys on the FA list.

unsung

Any chance he will just retire and go live out his days working for the Peace Corps in Macedonia?