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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,320

    xavier mcdaniel said:
    Wobbie said:
    igotid88 said:
    ARod, Pettitte, and Andruw
    no, no and I never realized he ended his career with the yankees.
    bench guy with the Yankees in 2011-12 when they had a impressive collection of former all-stars on the bench and in the back end of the rotation.

    Between 2010 and 2012, the Yankees had Lance Berkman, Kerry Wood, Eric Chavez, Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia, Raul Ibanez, Ichiro and Derek Lowe.
    jeez…..where have I been? I had NO idea Ichiro was ever a yankee.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Hoping Wagner gets in this year.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    ARod, Pettitte, and Andruw
    Yes (but won't get in), Hell NO, and no.
    Why hell no?
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    ARod, Pettitte, and Andruw
    Yes (but won't get in), Hell NO, and no.
    Why hell no?
    Without the steroids that he blamed on his father (real douche move), he'd have been a low-level 5th starter, probably sub .500 record and ERA around 5.50 or so.
    At least with steroid users like Clemens, ARod, Bonds, Griffey Jr. and Manny they would have still been dominant players without the juice. Pettitte falls into the Brady Anderson category, would have been an afterthought of a career without PEDs.
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  • igotid88
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    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    ARod, Pettitte, and Andruw
    Yes (but won't get in), Hell NO, and no.
    Why hell no?
    Without the steroids that he blamed on his father (real douche move), he'd have been a low-level 5th starter, probably sub .500 record and ERA around 5.50 or so.
    At least with steroid users like Clemens, ARod, Bonds, Griffey Jr. and Manny they would have still been dominant players without the juice. Pettitte falls into the Brady Anderson category, would have been an afterthought of a career without PEDs.
    It was Hgh. And I don't think he used it all his career. I believe it was to get back from an injury quicker
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,385
    Oooh you said something about the unimpeachable Yankee Andy Pettitte!!! People gonna be mad!
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    Saint Andy?
    Screw him. His father deserved better.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    Poncier said:
    Saint Andy?
    Screw him. His father deserved better.
    How do you know his father wasn't a Joe Jackson type?
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    Saint Andy?
    Screw him. His father deserved better.
    How do you know his father wasn't a Joe Jackson type?
    His father had no shoes?



    And played piano and sang?


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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    Saint Andy?
    Screw him. His father deserved better.
    How do you know his father wasn't a Joe Jackson type?
    His father had no shoes?



    And played piano and sang?


    https://youtu.be/pfArO24gSNw?si=n51ZK4Wn_9oLfor1

    Yes
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,320
    I think you gotta let adrian beltre in….even if he did start his career as a fucking d**ger.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,474
    igotid88 said:

    Wagner, Andruw Jones, Sheffield, Arod, Manny and Beltre ALL should be in.

    Krod is on the cusp.  He had a ton of saves but modern ones.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    edited November 2023
    igotid88 said:
    ARod, Pettitte, and Andruw
    If Bonds didn't get in, A-Rod has no chance whatsoever. A-Rod got caught dong steroids twice. In the early 2000's when Bonds and everyone else were being scrutinized (BALCO), but then again in 2014 (Biogenesis) when it clearly against the rules and everybody knew it. 

    And even if we forget about steroids for a moment, Bonds was better than A-Rod by quite a large margin. For example, they each had about 12,500 plate appearances in their careers. Bonds had 2,558 walks versus 1,539 strikeouts. A-Rod had 1,338 walks versus 2,287 strikeouts. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    igotid88 said:
    ARod, Pettitte, and Andruw
    If Bonds didn't get in, A-Rod has no chance whatsoever. A-Rod got caught dong steroids twice. In the early 2000's when Bonds and everyone else were being scrutinized (BALCO), but then again in 2014 (Biogenesis) when it clearly against the rules and everybody knew it. 

    And even if we forget about steroids for a moment, Bonds was better than A-Rod by quite a large margin. For example, they each had about 12,500 plate appearances in their careers. Bonds had 2,558 walks versus 1,539 strikeouts. A-Rod had 1,338 walks versus 2,287 strikeouts. 
    I'll disagree with this. Arod was friggin good. Enhancing or not.  He was the 2nd best baseball player I have ever seen, Bonds being first and Pujols 1st 10 years as third.

    Arod was GOOD.  He should be in. Consistent GG too until he went to 3B.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    igotid88 said:
    ARod, Pettitte, and Andruw
    If Bonds didn't get in, A-Rod has no chance whatsoever. A-Rod got caught dong steroids twice. In the early 2000's when Bonds and everyone else were being scrutinized (BALCO), but then again in 2014 (Biogenesis) when it clearly against the rules and everybody knew it. 

    And even if we forget about steroids for a moment, Bonds was better than A-Rod by quite a large margin. For example, they each had about 12,500 plate appearances in their careers. Bonds had 2,558 walks versus 1,539 strikeouts. A-Rod had 1,338 walks versus 2,287 strikeouts. 
    I'll disagree with this. Arod was friggin good. Enhancing or not.  He was the 2nd best baseball player I have ever seen, Bonds being first and Pujols 1st 10 years as third.

    Arod was GOOD.  He should be in. Consistent GG too until he went to 3B.
    I'm not saying A-Rod wasn't a great player. But he's a distant second behind Bonds. So when the poster above suggests him for the HOF, I say if Bonds isn't in, then no way should A-Rod get in. 
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,540
    Correct take above - Bonds is the greatest hitter of my lifetime and it's not even close. If he's not in then ARod isn't getting in.
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Correct take above - Bonds is the greatest hitter of my lifetime and it's not even close. If he's not in then ARod isn't getting in.
    Completely agree. ARod was great, but Bonds was flat-out amazing.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
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    Bonds was a disgrace to the sport and I never could stand him. And he's probably the greatest player I've ever seen.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    Hot take. I think Bonds was using prior to Balco
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  • igotid88
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    edited November 2023
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    igotid88 said:
    ARod, Pettitte, and Andruw
    If Bonds didn't get in, A-Rod has no chance whatsoever. A-Rod got caught dong steroids twice. In the early 2000's when Bonds and everyone else were being scrutinized (BALCO), but then again in 2014 (Biogenesis) when it clearly against the rules and everybody knew it. 

    And even if we forget about steroids for a moment, Bonds was better than A-Rod by quite a large margin. For example, they each had about 12,500 plate appearances in their careers. Bonds had 2,558 walks versus 1,539 strikeouts. A-Rod had 1,338 walks versus 2,287 strikeouts. 
    I'll disagree with this. Arod was friggin good. Enhancing or not.  He was the 2nd best baseball player I have ever seen, Bonds being first and Pujols 1st 10 years as third.

    Arod was GOOD.  He should be in. Consistent GG too until he went to 3B.
    I'm not saying A-Rod wasn't a great player. But he's a distant second behind Bonds. So when the poster above suggests him for the HOF, I say if Bonds isn't in, then no way should A-Rod get in. 
    But Ortiz is in and he's half the player both were. It's not a perfect system. You have guys like Rolen and Baines getting in. Wagner might get in this year.
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