MLB 2025 Season

Jearlpam0925

Wobbie said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

If there's any place left in this country where owners can get the welfare financed by the public for an obscene, new venue it's Vegas.

it will probably be another increase in the room tax that subsidizes the billionaire owner. no matter how much they jack up prices, certain people still love going to Vegas. as a former, 30 year resident of Vegas, I don’t get the allure. that said, the Indian casinos and fanduel-type sports betting are not the same.

It is. 40% of it is based on the room tax. Edit: sorry, 40% of the Raiders stadium, that is, so figure something close to that. 

Jearlpam0925

tempo_n_groove said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

I mean there's a resort/destination feel to Vegas imo, plus the actual corporations that have consolidated those online & satellite sportsbooks are located there. Outside of that, gambling at your local casino in Podunkville Town, USA is kinda pathetic & sad - and another conversation altogether.

The land/casino owners there have a huge advantage over everything else so they basically get whatever they want.

Vegas is special when it comes to table games and slots w the atmosphere.  I have been to other places across the states and have gotten that itch scratched though.  After being to Atlantic City a few times now though I will say that it is an actual dump.  What a cesspool.

That being said, Vegas still should have lost some power.

Part of the reason AC is a "cesspool" is because of the casinos.

tempo_n_groove

Jearlpam0925 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

I mean there's a resort/destination feel to Vegas imo, plus the actual corporations that have consolidated those online & satellite sportsbooks are located there. Outside of that, gambling at your local casino in Podunkville Town, USA is kinda pathetic & sad - and another conversation altogether.

The land/casino owners there have a huge advantage over everything else so they basically get whatever they want.

Vegas is special when it comes to table games and slots w the atmosphere.  I have been to other places across the states and have gotten that itch scratched though.  After being to Atlantic City a few times now though I will say that it is an actual dump.  What a cesspool.

That being said, Vegas still should have lost some power.

Part of the reason AC is a "cesspool" is because of the casinos.

Interesting that Vegas never really had that problem?

Cliffy6745

I have never not had a blast in AC

mace1229

Vegas was awesome 15-20 years ago.
Now it is just way too expensive, crowded, and near impossible to navigate around. 
We slept in the parking lot of the MGM in our car for the 2003 show. Now its like $30 just to park there for the evening. 

Poncier

mace1229 said:

Vegas was awesome 15-20 years ago.
Now it is just way too expensive, crowded, and near impossible to navigate around. 
We slept in the parking lot of the MGM in our car for the 2003 show. Now its like $30 just to park there for the evening. 

Cheaper than a room still. 

tempo_n_groove

Cliffy6745 said:

I have never not had a blast in AC

I've had fun in AC too but it's still a cesspool.  I can do the same shit closer.

mace1229 said:

Vegas was awesome 15-20 years ago.
Now it is just way too expensive, crowded, and near impossible to navigate around. 
We slept in the parking lot of the MGM in our car for the 2003 show. Now its like $30 just to park there for the evening. 

I find that the rooms in both AC and Vegas have gone up a bunch.  They used to be cheap and the money was made on the games.  Not so much anymore.

Borgata is like $400 a night.  Just for a stupid room.

Jearlpam0925

tempo_n_groove said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

I mean there's a resort/destination feel to Vegas imo, plus the actual corporations that have consolidated those online & satellite sportsbooks are located there. Outside of that, gambling at your local casino in Podunkville Town, USA is kinda pathetic & sad - and another conversation altogether.

The land/casino owners there have a huge advantage over everything else so they basically get whatever they want.

Vegas is special when it comes to table games and slots w the atmosphere.  I have been to other places across the states and have gotten that itch scratched though.  After being to Atlantic City a few times now though I will say that it is an actual dump.  What a cesspool.

That being said, Vegas still should have lost some power.

Part of the reason AC is a "cesspool" is because of the casinos.

Interesting that Vegas never really had that problem?

Not interesting really, the entire town was literally built around the industry. If you look at any other town that was established before a casino showed up and plopping a casino down immediately drops the surrounding town into poverty. There's a study I need to find that quantified that x amount of slot machines installed results in x amount of unemployment.

Gambling is literally the worst addiction there is, not to be redundant with "literally" nor turn this into a different conversation which I was trying to avoid. 

HesCalledDyer

My understanding is that the city of Oakland & MLB themselves are as much to blame as John Fisher for the A's departure. From what I've read, A's ownership has been trying every outlet to reach a deal with city of Oakland. The waterfront project was announced, what? 6-7 years ago? According to Fisher, they were still looking at another 8-10 years before they'd have a new stadium.  MLB basically forced the A's hand to explore other outlets - namely Las Vegas - and instructed them to do so by spring 2024.

I'm not stating any of this as undeniable truths. Just by the few bits I read yesterday, these are the main arguments I recall.

tempo_n_groove

Jearlpam0925 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

I mean there's a resort/destination feel to Vegas imo, plus the actual corporations that have consolidated those online & satellite sportsbooks are located there. Outside of that, gambling at your local casino in Podunkville Town, USA is kinda pathetic & sad - and another conversation altogether.

The land/casino owners there have a huge advantage over everything else so they basically get whatever they want.

Vegas is special when it comes to table games and slots w the atmosphere.  I have been to other places across the states and have gotten that itch scratched though.  After being to Atlantic City a few times now though I will say that it is an actual dump.  What a cesspool.

That being said, Vegas still should have lost some power.

Part of the reason AC is a "cesspool" is because of the casinos.

Interesting that Vegas never really had that problem?

Not interesting really, the entire town was literally built around the industry. If you look at any other town that was established before a casino showed up and plopping a casino down immediately drops the surrounding town into poverty. There's a study I need to find that quantified that x amount of slot machines installed results in x amount of unemployment.

Gambling is literally the worst addiction there is, not to be redundant with "literally" nor turn this into a different conversation which I was trying to avoid. 

That little tidbit is interesting.  I had seen casinos built in the middle of nowhere in other states and towns grew up around them.

JeBurkhardt

HesCalledDyer said:

My understanding is that the city of Oakland & MLB themselves are as much to blame as John Fisher for the A's departure. From what I've read, A's ownership has been trying every outlet to reach a deal with city of Oakland. The waterfront project was announced, what? 6-7 years ago? According to Fisher, they were still looking at another 8-10 years before they'd have a new stadium.  MLB basically forced the A's hand to explore other outlets - namely Las Vegas - and instructed them to do so by spring 2024.

I'm not stating any of this as undeniable truths. Just by the few bits I read yesterday, these are the main arguments I recall.

There is plenty of blame to go around. John Fisher, Lew Wolff, the previous owner, the City of Oakland, MLB, take your pick. One example is the A's had an agreement to move to San Jose, but the Giants were given territorial rights for San Jose when they were trying to get a new stadium and threatening to leave for Florida. At the time, San Jose was considered as a home for the new Giants stadium. They eventually built the new ballpark in San Francisco, but refused to relinquish the rights to San Jose. When the A's found a site in San Jose, the Giants and MLB Commissioner Bud Selig kept it from happening. It was a mess. There were also attempts to locate ballparks in Fremont and on a college campus in Oakland, but fell through as well. I don't like that they are moving, but at this point there doesn't seem to be any real options. The Coliseum is a dump that hasn't been maintained properly and needs to be torn down. Add that to the desire of MLB to have a team in Las Vegas and here we are. The whole thing sucks. 

Wobbie

madison bumgarner....what a precipitous fall.

igotid88

Wobbie said:

madison bumgarner....what a precipitous fall.

I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run. 

Wobbie

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

madison bumgarner....what a precipitous fall.

I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run. 

Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.

igotid88

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

madison bumgarner....what a precipitous fall.

I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run. 

Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.

Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over 

Wobbie

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

madison bumgarner....what a precipitous fall.

I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run. 

Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.

Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over 

Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.

igotid88

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

madison bumgarner....what a precipitous fall.

I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run. 

Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.

Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over 

Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.

Again for Posey, 3 World Series rings helps plus a ROY and MVP. Especially if they're not going to vote in the surefire HOFs. It might be easier for him to get in

Wobbie

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

madison bumgarner....what a precipitous fall.

I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run. 

Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.

Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over 

Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.

Again for Posey, 3 World Series rings helps plus a ROY and MVP. Especially if they're not going to vote in the surefire HOFs. It might be easier for him to get in

and a batting title and comeback player of the year.

igotid88

The Rays are taking advantage of their easy schedule. I could see them being 25-4 by the end of next week. Maybe 23-6

tempo_n_groove

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

igotid88 said:

Wobbie said:

madison bumgarner....what a precipitous fall.

I keep thinking of the playoff game when most pitcners would be taken out. But Bochy overextended him. It worked out. But maybe hurt him in the long run. 

Oh, hell no. Bum was a horse. Juan Marichal wasn’t hurt by throwing 227 pitches over 16 innings. Nolan Ryan wasn’t hurt by throwing 235.

Probably. Is he a HOF? 3 WS. That usually puts people over 

Not an HOF’er. Posey is a more likely candidate for me, but his career may be viewed as too short.

Again for Posey, 3 World Series rings helps plus a ROY and MVP. Especially if they're not going to vote in the surefire HOFs. It might be easier for him to get in

Posey is in.  Great catcher, great player in a tough position.