MLB 2024 Off Season

Johnny Abruzzo

imalive wrote:

a) the 2012 Giants lineup is only a tad less abysmal than last year....but Buster will be back.

b) the feds want Bonds to do 15 months in PRISON. Really :? :shock: ? yeah, he caused a lot more harm than any of those wall street fucks you haven't done a thing to prosecute. :x

You can probably guess how much I can't stand Barry Bonds (i hated him in Pittsburgh!) but I agree with you that this is a complete waste of resources and taxpayer money.

Johnny Abruzzo

norm wrote:

Ryan Braun has tested positive for PED's

He deserves to have his appeal heard. We should wait to pass judgment.

xavier mcdaniel

@Haudricourt Just spoke to someone familiar with the details of Ryan Braun's test and was assured he will be found innocent. If so, horrible this leaked out.

That's the twitter account of the Brewers beat writer.

Cliffy6745

Sounds like abnormal levels of testosterone that were found to be synthentic.. World doping agency is testing it to confirm. Not sure how this can be bullshit. Kind of funny everyone is running to defend Braun and didn't with the Spanish players.

Johnny Abruzzo

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Sounds like abnormal levels of testosterone that were found to be synthentic.. World doping agency is testing it to confirm. Not sure how this can be bullshit. Kind of funny everyone is running to defend Braun and didn't with the Spanish players.

Spanish players weren't leaked early. They all deserve due process.


Uncle Leo would say its anti-Semitism.

CROJAM95

Braun tossed Arod under the bus when he got caught.

Oh how quickly the mighty have fallen.

Newch91

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Sounds like abnormal levels of testosterone that were found to be synthentic.. World doping agency is testing it to confirm. Not sure how this can be bullshit. Kind of funny everyone is running to defend Braun and didn't with the Spanish players.

Spanish players weren't leaked early. They all deserve due process.


Uncle Leo would say its anti-Semitism.

Newch91

CROJAM95 wrote:

Braun tossed Arod under the bus when he got caught.

Oh how quickly the mighty have fallen.

Did he? I forgot.

Cliffy6745

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Sounds like abnormal levels of testosterone that were found to be synthentic.. World doping agency is testing it to confirm. Not sure how this can be bullshit. Kind of funny everyone is running to defend Braun and
didn't with the Spanish players.

Spanish players weren't leaked early. They all deserve due process.
Uncle Leo would say its anti-Semitism.

Due process my balls. Arod failed an anon test that was leaked. It was essentially illegal for his positive test to be leaked.

When you fail a drug test, you're guilty until proven innoncent. If the world doping agency says he's clean, then he's clean, but as of now his sample has been tested twice and he's fucked. Simple as that.

igotid88

You know what's weird? I barely heard anything about the Pujols signing or the Ryan Braun failed test.

jervin007

Has any positive test ever been overturned? I feel like it has never happened. If it isn't overturned the MVP should be given to Kemp to make a statement.

Wobbie

jervin007 wrote:

Has any positive test ever been overturned? I feel like it has never happened.

never.

I'm not shocked. the temptation is too great. he'll do his 50 days and get back to hos $150M contract.

jervin007 wrote:

If it isn't overturned the MVP should be given to Kemp to make a statement.

he might be juicing too :shock:

Wobbie

and how is it that manny's suspension is now only 50 games? :wtf:

Ledbetterman10

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

He deserves to have his appeal heard. We should wait to pass judgment.

Nope

Cliffy6745 wrote:

When you fail a drug test, you're guilty until proven innoncent.

Yep

jervin007

imalive wrote:

jervin007 wrote:

Has any positive test ever been overturned? I feel like it has never happened.

never.

I'm not shocked. the temptation is too great. he'll do his 50 days and get back to hos $150M contract.

jervin007 wrote:

If it isn't overturned the MVP should be given to Kemp to make a statement.

he might be juicing too :shock:

Yeah, I hear you. Shame.

patrickredeyes

I don't buy it and will wait for more info b4 I judge.

Cliffy6745

And just to add to what I said when I was drunk last night. I think he's guilty but I have always cared a whole lot less about steroids than most people do. I just don't see it as that big of a deal. I have read in a few places that this is a black eye for baseball and I don't really see it that way. Sure it sucks for them that one of the best players in the game got caught, but it shows the drug testing is working. I think it's more funny than anything, especially after his A-Rod comments.

That said, Bruan is in a bad spot and unless the World Doping Agency comes to a different result than MLB, Braun is fucked.

RW81233

I personally hope Braun comes out and becomes a crusader FOR steroids. They are good for you (many of us have used them to recover from surgery, allergies, etc.). We only hate them because Russians invented them and it was part of Cold War folklore. Secondly, what is considered ok and not ok for enhancing one's performance? Should all athletes be required to eat the same things, at the same rate, and exercise under strict regulations? I understand he broke the rules, and should be punished by those rules but the rules are stupid.

The Fixer

RW81233 wrote:

I personally hope Braun comes out and becomes a crusader FOR steroids. They are good for you (many of us have used them to recover from surgery, allergies, etc.). We only hate them because Russians invented them and it was part of Cold War folklore. Secondly, what is considered ok and not ok for enhancing one's performance? Should all athletes be required to eat the same things, at the same rate, and exercise under strict regulations? I understand he broke the rules, and should be punished by those rules but the rules are stupid.

I think it's more about protecting the integrity of the league than anything else.

I don't care if these guys want to inject themselves with poison. that should be their prerogative.

RW81233

I know what you are saying but the "integrity of the league" has been long since destroyed. Besides America's favorite sport is the NFL, and it's full of performance enhancing gentleman.

The Fixer

RW81233 wrote:

I know what you are saying but the "integrity of the league" has been long since destroyed. Besides America's favorite sport is the NFL, and it's full of performance enhancing gentleman.

destroyed and since repaired. MLB has done a phenomenal job with their image

MLB is now the most clean of any of the pro leagues (minor league testing program, stricter penalties than other leagues...the NFL is a joke with their penalties, HGH testing)

I could care less about popularity. America popularized shows like Lost and American Idol and I know they suck too.

I really don't understand how people like the NFL more than MLB. Our country as a whole is pretty stupid

Newch91

The Fixer wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

I know what you are saying but the "integrity of the league" has been long since destroyed. Besides America's favorite sport is the NFL, and it's full of performance enhancing gentleman.

destroyed and since repaired. MLB has done a phenomenal job with their image

MLB is now the most clean of any of the pro leagues (minor league testing program, stricter penalties than other leagues...the NFL is a joke with their penalties, HGH testing)

I could care less about popularity. America popularized shows like Lost and American Idol and I know they suck too.

I really don't understand how people like the NFL more than MLB. Our country as a whole is pretty stupid

LOST is a great show, but that's not part of this thread.

I agree with everything you said about the MLB repairing their image and the stricter testing.

norm

A very good source on the Ryan Braun side of the drug testing controversy assures me that Braun did not test positive for a performance-enhancing drug, as reported by ESPN's "Outside the Lines."

ESPN reported that Braun tested positive for a PED that gave him an abnormally high testosterone level, which proved to be synthetic and therefore not produced by the body.

But my source -- and again, this is from Braun's end and not MLB -- familiar with the test's findings says the "prohibited substance" was not a performance-enhancing drug or steroid of any kind. And the source says there has "never" been a result like this in the history of the MLB testing program.

The source said MLB "knows that Ryan is telling the truth" and firmly believes the postive test will be overturned. Pretty amazing stuff, huh?

The source said more detail couldn't be provided at this time because of the ongoing legal process. But suffice it to say that this is getting more interesting by the minute.

If the prohibited substance Braun tested positive for was a stimulant instead of a steroid, he wouldn't be facing a 50-game suspension. The first offense for stimulants results in a 25-game suspension.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/135405518.html

Wobbie

norm wrote:

A very good source on the Ryan Braun side of the drug testing controversy assures me that Braun did not test positive for a performance-enhancing drug, as reported by ESPN's "Outside the Lines."

ESPN reported that Braun tested positive for a PED that gave him an abnormally high testosterone level, which proved to be synthetic and therefore not produced by the body.

But my source -- and again, this is from Braun's end and not MLB -- familiar with the test's findings says the "prohibited substance" was not a performance-enhancing drug or steroid of any kind. And the source says there has "never" been a result like this in the history of the MLB testing program.

The source said MLB "knows that Ryan is telling the truth" and firmly believes the postive test will be overturned. Pretty amazing stuff, huh?

The source said more detail couldn't be provided at this time because of the ongoing legal process. But suffice it to say that this is getting more interesting by the minute.

If the prohibited substance Braun tested positive for was a stimulant instead of a steroid, he wouldn't be facing a 50-game suspension. The first offense for stimulants results in a 25-game suspension.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/135405518.html

how come you were never digging up "the other side" of the Bonds story?? :shock:

The Fixer

Newch91 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

I know what you are saying but the "integrity of the league" has been long since destroyed. Besides America's favorite sport is the NFL, and it's full of performance enhancing gentleman.

destroyed and since repaired. MLB has done a phenomenal job with their image

MLB is now the most clean of any of the pro leagues (minor league testing program, stricter penalties than other leagues...the NFL is a joke with their penalties, HGH testing)

I could care less about popularity. America popularized shows like Lost and American Idol and I know they suck too.

I really don't understand how people like the NFL more than MLB. Our country as a whole is pretty stupid

LOST is a great show, but that's not part of this thread.

ugh

norm

imalive wrote:

how come you were never digging up "the other side" of the Bonds story?? :shock:

well this side is just as believable as 'i put a cream on but i didn't know what it did' :P

polaris_x

steroids are banned because of their adverse affects on health ... sure, in some instances - they can help a person recover but once that recovery has occurred - they don't continue to take those steroids ... sure, it's ok to think that if someone wants to put their health at risk ... it's their choice ... but it changes the playing field for those who do not wish to put their health at risk ... should we have a league that only caters to those who are willing to do that?

The Fixer

polaris_x wrote:

steroids are banned because of their adverse affects on health ... sure, in some instances - they can help a person recover but once that recovery has occurred - they don't continue to take those steroids ... sure, it's ok to think that if someone wants to put their health at risk ... it's their choice ... but it changes the playing field for those who do not wish to put their health at risk ... should we have a league that only caters to those who are willing to do that?

we do have that league. they play games once a week...mostly on sundays

81

patrickredeyes wrote:

I don't buy it and will wait for more info b4 I judge.

Spoken like a true brewer fan

neilybabes86

great mvp... :roll: