Who knows. Seems like they just wanted the name and the hispanic connection. Fielder would make more sense from a baseball perspective.
Who knows? Cubs?
i think the rangers would be in the running for fielder - they gotta do something to keep up with the angels ... also depends on how the darvish thing plays out ... i suspect some teams are waiting for that chip to fall ...
EDIT: 12:34pm: The Reds have announced on their official Twitter feed that they've acquired Latos for Alonso, Volquez, Yasmani Grandal, and Brad Boxberger.
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So they are saying today that the winning bid is above dice k. Is is possible the yanks are bushitting and went all out? I can't see the jays or the other teams rumored investing that much in a player. Not getting my hopes up but perhaps they are full of shit
Just to add, the rumors out there are that the yanks had a last minute meetin and decided to submit a modest bid. That does not sound a little bit like the yanks.
So they are saying today that the winning bid is above dice k. Is is possible the yanks are bushitting and went all out? I can't see the jays or the other teams rumored investing that much in a player. Not getting my hopes up but perhaps they are full of shit
Apparently the Jays ownership said spend whatever they needed to get him. Doesn't seem like the smartest move after dropping half a billion purchasing the MLSE though.
So they are saying today that the winning bid is above dice k. Is is possible the yanks are bushitting and went all out? I can't see the jays or the other teams rumored investing that much in a player. Not getting my hopes up but perhaps they are full of shit
Apparently the Jays ownership said spend whatever they needed to get him. Doesn't seem like the smartest move after dropping half a billion purchasing the MLSE though.
I think it makes a ton of sense for the jays to go after darvish. they put darvish and romero at the top of their rotation and they could make a run at what should be a wide open division
So they are saying today that the winning bid is above dice k. Is is possible the yanks are bushitting and went all out? I can't see the jays or the other teams rumored investing that much in a player. Not getting my hopes up but perhaps they are full of shit
Apparently the Jays ownership said spend whatever they needed to get him. Doesn't seem like the smartest move after dropping half a billion purchasing the MLSE though.
I think it makes a ton of sense for the jays to go after darvish. they put darvish and romero at the top of their rotation and they could make a run at what should be a wide open division
It makes sense, but it seems like they're pissing money away if the rumors about the bid are true. Forty to fifty million isn't too bad, but people are saying it's ridiculously high and in my mind that means sixty to seventy.
wasn't really going out on a limb. Almost $52 mill for the right to negotiate is nuts. Gotta figure texas will get it done to counter the angels moves. darvish, feliz, holland, lewis is a pretty nice rotation.
if you don't care about payroll - you should be happy ... i think his maturity is going to be more of an issue vs. his arm ... he may be a bit of a narcissist considering how he's been treated in japan all this time ... that would be my concern - talent is all there for sure ...
if you don't care about payroll - you should be happy ... i think his maturity is going to be more of an issue vs. his arm ... he may be a bit of a narcissist considering how he's been treated in japan all this time ... that would be my concern - talent is all there for sure ...
On the one hand, I am thrilled. If they sign him that is. But on the other hand, I am worried about it blowing up in their faces.
Payroll not an issue anymore thanks to the ginormous TV deal.
I've read about some maturity issues but hopefully the Rangers can address that. They have had a history with problem players that weren't such an issue here, Milton Bradley for example. We'll see I guess. Wow.
if you don't care about payroll - you should be happy ... i think his maturity is going to be more of an issue vs. his arm ... he may be a bit of a narcissist considering how he's been treated in japan all this time ... that would be my concern - talent is all there for sure ...
On the one hand, I am thrilled. If they sign him that is. But on the other hand, I am worried about it blowing up in their faces.
Payroll not an issue anymore thanks to the ginormous TV deal.
I've read about some maturity issues but hopefully the Rangers can address that. They have had a history with problem players that weren't such an issue here, Milton Bradley for example. We'll see I guess. Wow.
a few ron washington pep talks and I'm sure he'll be fine
Me too. That pep talk was awesome. Too bad it didn't work.
Perhaps the pep talk will go something like this:
Darvish through interpreter: How hard is to pitch in the major leagues?
Washington: It's incredibly hard.
Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016 Fenway 2, 2018 MSG 2022 St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023 MSG 2024, MSG 2024 Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
if you don't care about payroll - you should be happy ... i think his maturity is going to be more of an issue vs. his arm ... he may be a bit of a narcissist considering how he's been treated in japan all this time ... that would be my concern - talent is all there for sure ...
On the one hand, I am thrilled. If they sign him that is. But on the other hand, I am worried about it blowing up in their faces.
Payroll not an issue anymore thanks to the ginormous TV deal.
wish my team could go from bankruptcy to flush with cash :x
If I had known then what I know now...
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Pretty crazy number. Rangers have a pretty good young staff. Will be interesting to see how long they give Holland. This is going to be a bit number when the contract is signed.
Edit: And I guess this shouldn't be all that suprising. Sounded like the Rangers were the most interested for a couple years, with Daniels scouting him self a couple times
I'd be pretty depressed if I were a M's or A's or astros fan.
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We now know that the Texas Rangers have won the exclusive rights to negotiate with Yu Darvish, generally considered the best player from Nippon Professional Baseball to ever hit the posting system. Combining his expected contract with the $51.7 million posting bid, the total price for Darvish will exceed nine figures. But will he be worth it?
To find out, I polled 10 scouts and big league executives, many with international experience and in-person looks at Darvish. Instead of pure comparisons to others pitchers, I asked the insiders to place Darvish on a scale, picking him against a series of five right-handers, varying from good to great. The question was this: "Based on talent alone, would you take Darvish ahead of this pitcher?"
The hurlers in question are Ricky Nolasco, Ian Kennedy, Matt Garza, Zack Greinke and Justin Verlander. Opinions varied wildly, but were overall quite positive. Let's take a look.
Ricky Nolasco, Miami Marlins
Scouting report: A frustrating talent. The stuff is there, the command is there, the peripherals often point to a breakout, but it just never happens.
While those polled were universal in favoring Darvish over a prototypical No. 4 starter with occasional glimpses of being a No. 3, some admitted that it was a question that was at least worth some thought. "It's actually close," said an American League scout. "I mean, look at Nolasco's numbers. Are we all really so sure that Darvish can do that?"
The unknown also played a significant role in the decision-making process for many. "I just think the change of scenery is so huge," explained a National League international scout. "It's a gamble. If I was Texas, I would have re-signed C.J. Wilson over Darvish. Everyone is different, and it's hard to know how players will react to being in a new environment."
The vote: Darvish, 10-0
Ian Kennedy, Arizona Diamondbacks
Scouting report: More a finesse pitcher than a pure stuff guy, but coming off a year in which he finished fourth in the National League Cy Young voting.
"These guys are known quantities, and that shouldn't be discounted," said one NL exec. "Darvish could be a one, and he could be a four, and we won't know until he gets here." An AL scout agreed: "On a stuff level, Darvish is way better. But you need a pretty big sack to say he's going to outperform Kennedy." (For those who've forgotten, Kennedy posted a 2.88 ERA in 222 innings in 2011.)
Another AL scouting official insisted that it's what Darvish can do with the stuff that gives him the edge. "A lot of pitchers can get strikeouts outside of the zone," he explained. "When you can challenge hitters inside the zone and get swings and misses, that's what makes a front-line starter, and Darvish can do that."
The vote: Darvish, 7-3
Matt Garza, Chicago Cubs
Scouting report: Durable with plus stuff, and more strikeouts than hits allowed in 2011.
Garza was often the first point of heavy thinking and pauses for those polled. "I have to go Garza here," said one NL executive. "He's young, he's American League East-proven [from his time with the Tampa Bay Rays] and he's got great stuff." In addition, Garza's placement on the spectrum created some questions, as two among those polled took Darvish over Garza, yet preferred Kennedy over both. "I think you're going in the wrong direction," said an AL assistant general manager.
The vote: Darvish, 7-3
Zack Greinke, Milwaukee Brewers
Scouting report: A bit mecurial, but won AL Cy Young Award in 2009 and had career-high strikeout rate in first year with Brewers in 2011.
As good as Greinke can be at times, his inconsistency and unique personality has some that were polled waffling on their choice. "Greinke is tantalizing, but you take that Cy Young Award season away, and he's not always a star," said one AL scout, with another adding, "After seeing Greinke down the stretch in the playoffs, I'll take Darvish." An AL executive saw some similarities off the field as well. "They're both weird makeup guys," he said. "Lots of ego stuff, lots of style points. That could be to his advantage or disadvantage over here depending on how you look at it."
The vote: Tie, 5-5
Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers
Scouting report: Generally seen as best pitcher in baseball. Reigning AL MVP and Cy Young winner.
While it should be no surprise that Verlander wins in a blowout, for one NL scout who has seen Darvish in person, it was at least something to think about. "I know you think I'm crazy, and I know I'm higher on him than anyone, but I really have to consider it," he said. "There might not be another pitcher on the planet who can manipulate a baseball like he does."
Even for those that saw Verlander as a no-brainer, many admitted that the potential for No. 1 performance was there. "While he's no Verlander, optimistically, you want to see him as a top-of-the-rotation guy," said an AL executive. "Realistically, we need to see how the uber-stuff and uber-athleticism plays out here."
The vote: Verlander, 10-0
For most insiders polled, the choke point for just how good Yu Darvish would be occurred somewhere between Garza and Greinke, although a majority still preferred the Japanese import. It's important to note that even the reservations about Darvish had little to do with his talent, and everything to do with the adjustments he'll need to make, from working on shorter rest than he had in Japan, to dealing with far more dangerous hitters, to a new strike zone. Still, reports from professional evaluators, and the ultimate price paid tells you that he was the best pitcher available this winter, and while he was priced beyond many team's reach, the industry generally believes he will be worth the heavy price tag.
wish the giants could have gotten him for maybe two years but he's represented by the world's biggest asshole.
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What a fucking horrible trade for Washington. 3 top 10 prospects for Gio. Quite happy the yanks are not getting involved in this nonsense. These starting pitcher trades are insane
What a fucking horrible trade for Washington. 3 top 10 prospects for Gio. Quite happy the yanks are not getting involved in this nonsense. These starting pitcher trades are insane
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i think the rangers would be in the running for fielder - they gotta do something to keep up with the angels ... also depends on how the darvish thing plays out ... i suspect some teams are waiting for that chip to fall ...
EDIT: 12:34pm: The Reds have announced on their official Twitter feed that they've acquired Latos for Alonso, Volquez, Yasmani Grandal, and Brad Boxberger.
That's a steal for San Diego.
Yes. Yes, they did.
I like latos a lot, but that's a nice haul for the pads
I'm not even that high on Latos.
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Alright, im starting to get my hopes up
I think it makes a ton of sense for the jays to go after darvish. they put darvish and romero at the top of their rotation and they could make a run at what should be a wide open division
10 minutes apparently
I'm guessing texas
wasn't really going out on a limb. Almost $52 mill for the right to negotiate is nuts. Gotta figure texas will get it done to counter the angels moves. darvish, feliz, holland, lewis is a pretty nice rotation.
the AL is absolutely loaded
i should be an analyst!! ... haha ... i think i called rangers as well ...
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if you don't care about payroll - you should be happy ... i think his maturity is going to be more of an issue vs. his arm ... he may be a bit of a narcissist considering how he's been treated in japan all this time ... that would be my concern - talent is all there for sure ...
On the one hand, I am thrilled. If they sign him that is. But on the other hand, I am worried about it blowing up in their faces.
Payroll not an issue anymore thanks to the ginormous TV deal.
I've read about some maturity issues but hopefully the Rangers can address that. They have had a history with problem players that weren't such an issue here, Milton Bradley for example. We'll see I guess. Wow.
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MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
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a few ron washington pep talks and I'm sure he'll be fine
I love that guy
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HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
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Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
Perhaps the pep talk will go something like this:
Darvish through interpreter: How hard is to pitch in the major leagues?
Washington: It's incredibly hard.
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
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Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Edit: And I guess this shouldn't be all that suprising. Sounded like the Rangers were the most interested for a couple years, with Daniels scouting him self a couple times
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We now know that the Texas Rangers have won the exclusive rights to negotiate with Yu Darvish, generally considered the best player from Nippon Professional Baseball to ever hit the posting system. Combining his expected contract with the $51.7 million posting bid, the total price for Darvish will exceed nine figures. But will he be worth it?
To find out, I polled 10 scouts and big league executives, many with international experience and in-person looks at Darvish. Instead of pure comparisons to others pitchers, I asked the insiders to place Darvish on a scale, picking him against a series of five right-handers, varying from good to great. The question was this: "Based on talent alone, would you take Darvish ahead of this pitcher?"
The hurlers in question are Ricky Nolasco, Ian Kennedy, Matt Garza, Zack Greinke and Justin Verlander. Opinions varied wildly, but were overall quite positive. Let's take a look.
Ricky Nolasco, Miami Marlins
Scouting report: A frustrating talent. The stuff is there, the command is there, the peripherals often point to a breakout, but it just never happens.
While those polled were universal in favoring Darvish over a prototypical No. 4 starter with occasional glimpses of being a No. 3, some admitted that it was a question that was at least worth some thought. "It's actually close," said an American League scout. "I mean, look at Nolasco's numbers. Are we all really so sure that Darvish can do that?"
The unknown also played a significant role in the decision-making process for many. "I just think the change of scenery is so huge," explained a National League international scout. "It's a gamble. If I was Texas, I would have re-signed C.J. Wilson over Darvish. Everyone is different, and it's hard to know how players will react to being in a new environment."
The vote: Darvish, 10-0
Ian Kennedy, Arizona Diamondbacks
Scouting report: More a finesse pitcher than a pure stuff guy, but coming off a year in which he finished fourth in the National League Cy Young voting.
"These guys are known quantities, and that shouldn't be discounted," said one NL exec. "Darvish could be a one, and he could be a four, and we won't know until he gets here." An AL scout agreed: "On a stuff level, Darvish is way better. But you need a pretty big sack to say he's going to outperform Kennedy." (For those who've forgotten, Kennedy posted a 2.88 ERA in 222 innings in 2011.)
Another AL scouting official insisted that it's what Darvish can do with the stuff that gives him the edge. "A lot of pitchers can get strikeouts outside of the zone," he explained. "When you can challenge hitters inside the zone and get swings and misses, that's what makes a front-line starter, and Darvish can do that."
The vote: Darvish, 7-3
Matt Garza, Chicago Cubs
Scouting report: Durable with plus stuff, and more strikeouts than hits allowed in 2011.
Garza was often the first point of heavy thinking and pauses for those polled. "I have to go Garza here," said one NL executive. "He's young, he's American League East-proven [from his time with the Tampa Bay Rays] and he's got great stuff." In addition, Garza's placement on the spectrum created some questions, as two among those polled took Darvish over Garza, yet preferred Kennedy over both. "I think you're going in the wrong direction," said an AL assistant general manager.
The vote: Darvish, 7-3
Zack Greinke, Milwaukee Brewers
Scouting report: A bit mecurial, but won AL Cy Young Award in 2009 and had career-high strikeout rate in first year with Brewers in 2011.
As good as Greinke can be at times, his inconsistency and unique personality has some that were polled waffling on their choice. "Greinke is tantalizing, but you take that Cy Young Award season away, and he's not always a star," said one AL scout, with another adding, "After seeing Greinke down the stretch in the playoffs, I'll take Darvish." An AL executive saw some similarities off the field as well. "They're both weird makeup guys," he said. "Lots of ego stuff, lots of style points. That could be to his advantage or disadvantage over here depending on how you look at it."
The vote: Tie, 5-5
Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers
Scouting report: Generally seen as best pitcher in baseball. Reigning AL MVP and Cy Young winner.
While it should be no surprise that Verlander wins in a blowout, for one NL scout who has seen Darvish in person, it was at least something to think about. "I know you think I'm crazy, and I know I'm higher on him than anyone, but I really have to consider it," he said. "There might not be another pitcher on the planet who can manipulate a baseball like he does."
Even for those that saw Verlander as a no-brainer, many admitted that the potential for No. 1 performance was there. "While he's no Verlander, optimistically, you want to see him as a top-of-the-rotation guy," said an AL executive. "Realistically, we need to see how the uber-stuff and uber-athleticism plays out here."
The vote: Verlander, 10-0
For most insiders polled, the choke point for just how good Yu Darvish would be occurred somewhere between Garza and Greinke, although a majority still preferred the Japanese import. It's important to note that even the reservations about Darvish had little to do with his talent, and everything to do with the adjustments he'll need to make, from working on shorter rest than he had in Japan, to dealing with far more dangerous hitters, to a new strike zone. Still, reports from professional evaluators, and the ultimate price paid tells you that he was the best pitcher available this winter, and while he was priced beyond many team's reach, the industry generally believes he will be worth the heavy price tag.
wish the giants could have gotten him for maybe two years but he's represented by the world's biggest asshole.
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Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
based on this ... http://rotoworld.com/player/mlb/2706/carlos-beltran
i'd say florida ...
Just saw that. Crazy.