Tim James is a racist

youngster

KDH12 wrote:

I like that forms are written in Spanish I read that side and try to learn more and test my knowledge

and to the person who commented on being paid in pesos....

you now that there are none USD currencies in our country right?.... for example in IL we have Illinois trade dollars, and if I wasn't so tired I would do research on some NPR stories that talk about how more and more communities are creating their own currency to promote local trade and commerce... I know apples and oranges but still interesting to think about..... it does not have to be "black and white"


and where does the "this is our country and do as we say" attitude come from?

Not sure of what you speak about communities in the US creating their own currency. Not saying you're wrong, just saying the money in my pocket says Federal Reserve Note and is accepted EVERYWHERE in the US. It is printed by the US to be spent in the US. Not sure how you're Illinois trade dollars would be accepted here in MA or any other of the 49 states.

cincybearcat

haffajappa wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Alright i've been following this thread for a couple of days now and what the fuck??Who the fuck said anything about racism and hatred. Because we want to be able to communicate with others in english it's now racism and hatred. Most of this counry speaks english, have spoken english for a very long fucking time. Like people have said....if we go to another country do we expect them to just inherit somebody elses language. This thread is fucking stupid and i'm starting to think half the people on it are also. What is the big fucking deal if we want people to speak english. I live in Maine, so I don't see this issue much in life. But if you go north to the boarder you can't even go through a McDonalds drive thru because they can't speak english LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE 99.9% of the time.WTF? :x

Sorry, North to the border as in the border of Maine and Quebec?
You DO know that Quebec is a French Speaking province, right?

You mean like...It's Quebec...we speak French here?

Is that different somehow?

haffajappa

OutOfBreath wrote:

Yeah, we're doing ok. We're to our waists in well administered oil money after all.

But as for languages, I think it's more about courtesy and respect to have public information and forms in different languages. On tourist sites, we include signs in english for instance. And we have 3 official languages, even though the most common type of Norwegian makes about 80% of the population, the other type about 20%, and a miniscule percentage speak Sami.

The ambition for America should be to make everyone learn Spanish as well as English. Just think how many more you then can communicate with? More or less the rest of your hemisphere, really. Norway has 3 mandatory languages in school. Both types Norwegian, English and one electable (most often German and somewhat French). You should put pride in knowing other languages, not making others speak yours.

Peace
Dan

Its like Americans are afraid of learning anything outside their bubble.
I'm not sure if they do it on purpose or they really are that ignorant when it comes to different things, ESPECIALLY variances in the English language (not trying to generalize, sorry my American friends)

I'll give you an example.We just got back from Las Vegas... My boyfriend's last name has a Z in it (we say ZED, US says ZEE). Whenever he spelt his name, the person would either sit their confused when he got to the Z (what letter now?)... or they would correct him. "CORRECT" him!! :shock: And that is in a tourist hot spot!!

mikepegg44

Johnny Sitar wrote:

look back at my post, and then go on a rant. I said "some Native American dialect". Not "one Native American language". Living in the Canadian Prairies, and having some Native cousins, I know all too well the history of their peoples.

And who decides that language, good sir? If it was Spanish, or Aramaic, would you not be in an uproar that you were being forced against your rights to learn a language that was not part of your culture?

no I wouldn't. I would learn the god damn language so I could communicate with the community that surrounds me. I have said it so many times and yet I am an asshole for it, why can we not all have one common language here? Why is that such a bad position to take?

haffajappa

cincybearcat wrote:

You mean like...It's Quebec...we speak French here?

Is that different somehow?

Hmmm, touche.

OnTheEdge

cincybearcat wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Alright i've been following this thread for a couple of days now and what the fuck??Who the fuck said anything about racism and hatred. Because we want to be able to communicate with others in english it's now racism and hatred. Most of this counry speaks english, have spoken english for a very long fucking time. Like people have said....if we go to another country do we expect them to just inherit somebody elses language. This thread is fucking stupid and i'm starting to think half the people on it are also. What is the big fucking deal if we want people to speak english. I live in Maine, so I don't see this issue much in life. But if you go north to the boarder you can't even go through a McDonalds drive thru because they can't speak english LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE 99.9% of the time.WTF? :x

Sorry, North to the border as in the border of Maine and Quebec?
You DO know that Quebec is a French Speaking province, right?

You mean like...It's Quebec...we speak French here?

Is that different somehow?

yes...canada should speak english so when I go there you people can understand me.....J.K.
They weren't speaking french.....it was spanish, and it was in Madawaske, Me. <

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i think. :? I may have to look at a map.

OnTheEdge

you really think i would post an arguement about people speaking french 100' from the canadian boarder.

OnTheEdge

haffajappa wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

You mean like...It's Quebec...we speak French here?

Is that different somehow?

Hmmm, touche.

In America it's "tushay"

OnTheEdge

mikepegg44 wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

look back at my post, and then go on a rant. I said "some Native American dialect". Not "one Native American language". Living in the Canadian Prairies, and having some Native cousins, I know all too well the history of their peoples.

And who decides that language, good sir? If it was Spanish, or Aramaic, would you not be in an uproar that you were being forced against your rights to learn a language that was not part of your culture?

no I wouldn't. I would learn the god damn language so I could communicate with the community that surrounds me. I have said it so many times and yet I am an asshole for it, why can we not all have one common language here? Why is that such a bad position to take?

Because it makes you a racist prejudice asshole :roll:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

mikepegg44 wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

look back at my post, and then go on a rant. I said "some Native American dialect". Not "one Native American language". Living in the Canadian Prairies, and having some Native cousins, I know all too well the history of their peoples.

And who decides that language, good sir? If it was Spanish, or Aramaic, would you not be in an uproar that you were being forced against your rights to learn a language that was not part of your culture?

no I wouldn't. I would learn the god damn language so I could communicate with the community that surrounds me. I have said it so many times and yet I am an asshole for it, why can we not all have one common language here? Why is that such a bad position to take?

because it doesn't make any fucking sense, that's why. to me, assimilation is a swear word. I take you as your are, as I expect everyone else to take me as I am. I'll do my best to help us communicate with each other. Yes, I'd make an effort if I was the visitor, but the government does not have the right to tell me I have to.

and I call BULLSHIT on that. Living wherever you live all your life, and then a record number of, for example, spanish people move into your neck of the woods and then all of a sudden your area's official language changes to spanish, you'd be all for it? I'll say it again, BULLSHIT.

cajunkiwi

scb wrote:

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

So... Does this mean that in order to be "American" you have to abandon all parts of your culture? "YOUR AMERICAN NOW, SON. IN AMERICA WE SPEAK AMERICAN... SO STOP THAT SI' SENOR SHIT... PUT DOWN THE TACO. GRAB A PIECE OF APPLIE PIE, AND BE HAPPY YOU LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE"

Yep - that sure sounds like freedom to me! :roll:

I love America, and I'm here legally, but I like tacos better than apple pie. What the hell am I supposed to do?

mikepegg44

Johnny Sitar wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

look back at my post, and then go on a rant. I said "some Native American dialect". Not "one Native American language". Living in the Canadian Prairies, and having some Native cousins, I know all too well the history of their peoples.

And who decides that language, good sir? If it was Spanish, or Aramaic, would you not be in an uproar that you were being forced against your rights to learn a language that was not part of your culture?

no I wouldn't. I would learn the god damn language so I could communicate with the community that surrounds me. I have said it so many times and yet I am an asshole for it, why can we not all have one common language here? Why is that such a bad position to take?

because it doesn't make any fucking sense, that's why. to me, assimilation is a swear word. I take you as your are, as I expect everyone else to take me as I am. I'll do my best to help us communicate with each other. Yes, I'd make an effort if I was the visitor, but the government does not have the right to tell me I have to.

and I call BULLSHIT on that. Living wherever you live all your life, and then a record number of, for example, spanish people move into your neck of the woods and then all of a sudden your area's official language changes to spanish, you'd be all for it? I'll say it again, BULLSHIT.

that might be the most prejudice thing I have read on these boards. But good thing a few internet posts can tell you who I am and what I would or would not agree to. Go fuck yourself

mikepegg44

mikepegg44 wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

because it doesn't make any fucking sense, that's why. to me, assimilation is a swear word. I take you as your are, as I expect everyone else to take me as I am. I'll do my best to help us communicate with each other. Yes, I'd make an effort if I was the visitor, but the government does not have the right to tell me I have to.

and I call BULLSHIT on that. Living wherever you live all your life, and then a record number of, for example, spanish people move into your neck of the woods and then all of a sudden your area's official language changes to spanish, you'd be all for it? I'll say it again, BULLSHIT.

that might be the most prejudice thing I have read on these boards. But good thing a few internet posts can tell you who I am and what I would or would not agree to. Go fuck yourself

and read the fucking thing again. It never says anything about losing your culture. It says assimilate into the new. that doesn't mean get rid of anything, it means add to what you already have. And I really wouldn't care, I speak some spanish and I speak some french. Not fluent, but enough to get by, and I am in the process of learning Italian, jeez. Too many people on these boards prematurely attack someone because they may have what is seen as a right wing position. Fucking christ read the words as they are written, do not put your own spin onto it about what I must have meant and then accuse me of thinking that way.

cajunkiwi

mb262200 wrote:

dasvidana wrote:

You should put pride in knowing other languages, not making others speak yours.

Peace
Dan

Agreed.

I DO take pride in knowing another languages. But if I go to another country where english is not their leading language then I expect to know THEIR language so that I may communicate with them. same ol same ol.....political correctness over common sense,uuuuggghhh

and oh ya, sorry for calling scb a he, i knew she was a she but forgot and called she a he.[/quote]

True, but then again, who's to say the non-English speakers in Alabama aren't taking English classes? If you've ever tried learning a foreign language then you'll know it isn't something that happens instantly. I didn't become a fluent German speaker after taking one class (on the contrary I studied it for two years and my German is still utter bollocks).

So... why should you discriminate against someone while they're in the process of learning? There's a reason the signs all LOOK different - so people who can't read them can still understand them. If someone has only lived in America for a week and has just enrolled in English classes to try and learn the language, is it right to deny that person basic rights until they become conversant? What if they need a car to get to their English classes?

It seems to me that this argument hinges on the assumption that people aren't bothering to learn. If you see a group of Mexicans standing around speaking Spanish, it doesn't mean they don't speak, or aren't learning to speak, English.

facepollution

mikepegg44 wrote:

no I wouldn't. I would learn the god damn language so I could communicate with the community that surrounds me. I have said it so many times and yet I am an asshole for it, why can we not all have one common language here? Why is that such a bad position to take?

You make it sound like it's easy to learn a new language. Maybe these people don't have the money to splash out on expensive language courses? Perhaps they are doing the best they can, but they still aren't fluent in English and therefore still need official forms to be written in their native language.

Why is that such a bad position to take? Because it makes you look ignorant.

cajunkiwi

haffajappa wrote:

OutOfBreath wrote:

Yeah, we're doing ok. We're to our waists in well administered oil money after all.

But as for languages, I think it's more about courtesy and respect to have public information and forms in different languages. On tourist sites, we include signs in english for instance. And we have 3 official languages, even though the most common type of Norwegian makes about 80% of the population, the other type about 20%, and a miniscule percentage speak Sami.

The ambition for America should be to make everyone learn Spanish as well as English. Just think how many more you then can communicate with? More or less the rest of your hemisphere, really. Norway has 3 mandatory languages in school. Both types Norwegian, English and one electable (most often German and somewhat French). You should put pride in knowing other languages, not making others speak yours.

Peace
Dan

Its like Americans are afraid of learning anything outside their bubble.
I'm not sure if they do it on purpose or they really are that ignorant when it comes to different things, ESPECIALLY variances in the English language (not trying to generalize, sorry my American friends)

I'll give you an example.We just got back from Las Vegas... My boyfriend's last name has a Z in it (we say ZED, US says ZEE). Whenever he spelt his name, the person would either sit their confused when he got to the Z (what letter now?)... or they would correct him. "CORRECT" him!! :shock: And that is in a tourist hot spot!!

Haha - my first week in the States I went to a Subway and tried to order a sandwich. When I asked for toh-MAH-toh the woman behind the counter gave me a blank stare. I repeated the request, and got the same blank stare. It wasn't until a woman in line behind me thought to tell her I wanted toh-MAY-toh that she knew what I was talking about.

cajunkiwi

scb wrote:

cajunkiwi wrote:

Though now that I read your comment again, you may be referring to the number of individual countries that speak English - and if I remember right, then English does have the distinction of being spoken in the greatest number of countries (either as a primary language, a secondary language, or a minority language in the trade and tourism industries).

And how many of those countries speak English because of British imperialism? I think, as a nation, we need to ask ourselves whether or not we really want to continue the oppression of our ancestors, which we try so hard to distance ourselves from.

That's a good question, and one I don't know the answer to - but if I had to lay a bet, I'd say the answer would be "a majority."

Do you know the story behind Britain's role in the formation of Pakistan? It's enough to make you want to slam your head against a desk very, very hard. It represents everything that's wrong with imperialism, and the world is still feeling the effects decades later.

mikepegg44

facepollution wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

no I wouldn't. I would learn the god damn language so I could communicate with the community that surrounds me. I have said it so many times and yet I am an asshole for it, why can we not all have one common language here? Why is that such a bad position to take?

You make it sound like it's easy to learn a new language. Maybe these people don't have the money to splash out on expensive language courses? Perhaps they are doing the best they can?

I think it is easy to learn another language. just take a class. cannot afford it, take out a loan. It is what most americans do every day. If a human being wants to learn something there is no stopping them.
wanting everyone to be able to communicate is ignorance?

ed243421

sbc - love your views
agree with everything you say

look - here's how i see it.
it's all about hate.
this country was founded on a system that only works when the rich stay rich and there is a very large part of the population poor or very poor.
the racism as we know it today was created when some of the bravest people who have ever lived tried to change this horrible system.
workers in early america who went on strike.
the government (being the wealthy law-makers) would send in strike-busters. immigrants or slaves to do the work. a diversion. it gave the strikers a face to hate, and it bred like weeds for generations.
money is the root of all evil. and we are a very ignorant species. we allow money to live. to own us and almost all our thoughts. our i-phones and our bmw's and our day-care and our vacations. just diversions to help us forget what and who we really hate. the what is this system where 95% of all money is owned by 1% of this nation. and the who is whoever wants to keep it this way.
the whole world will be different soon, i hope.

facepollution

mikepegg44 wrote:

I think it is easy to learn another language. just take a class. cannot afford it, take out a loan. It is what most americans do every day. If a human being wants to learn something there is no stopping them.
wanting everyone to be able to communicate is ignorance?

No, denying the fact that there may be individual circumstances preventing people from learning English is ignorance. What if they can't get a loan because they're earning minimum wage and the bank doesn't want to lend to them? As someone else said, what if they need to drive to the English lessons, but the driving agency won't print driving exams in any other language than English?! It's akin to saying that every person who's out of work is just lazy. You're ignorant because you're implying that some of these people don't want to communicate, painting it as some black and white situation, which anyone with half a brain can see it is not.

How about Tim James pledges to make English lessons more affordable for non speakers, the end result would be the same, in that there would be less people relying on translation. But of course he wouldn't do that, because he is a fucking racist, his message is clear: 'if you don't speak English, we don't want you here'.