Tim James is a racist

GTFLYGIRL

MrSmith wrote:

damn i really liked My Morning Jacket too. didnt know he was a racist.

LOL. That is what I thought... I figured if AR is Arizona .. and we were supposed to just "know" that... then certainly a thinking person would figure that Tim James was really a typo for Jim James.

I figured a MMJ reference would seem more at home on a PJ board than this crazy crap that some of these PJ fans have been coming up with!

OnTheEdge

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Tushay!

I'm guessing that is the American way to spell touche'?

No, I just wasn't sure how to spell it and didn't care enough to look it up.

g under p

KDH12 wrote:

that is the strangest political add I have seen :?

seems like something I would see on SNL

I agree with those that are opposed to this idea and there is no need to restate what has been said....

I will say that my daycare provider doesn't speak english well (she speaks some), she is not from Mexico, and she is here legally. Owns a house, pays taxes and gives back by looking after other people's kids so they can work.

(no I am not rich with a nanny, just the opposite, I am poor and she is all I can afford)

She watched my oldest and is now watching my second child, the language has not been a problem. I speak enough of her language that I can communicate and she sometimes has her daughter translate the important things. There is a lot more about communication then spoken language.

Awesome, As a single parent I wanted the same thing for my daughter having the ability to be bilingual in this country has it's advantages in school and for a career goal. If nothing else just being to understand another culture and it's language is something we should all seek out, not exclude those who don't speak english. If we don't see something wrong with excluding non english speaking people when we're a country made of many different people from many different cultures/countries then this country truly heading backwards.

Peace

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Nothingman54 wrote:

What's sick is this guy is being called a racist. The thread title should be changed cause this guy said not one thing racist. Dumbest thread of all time. Waste of time.

I don't throw around that term lightly, as you may or may not have seen in other threads on AMT. Maybe what he said doesn't directly infer racism, but think about who the people are that will listen to it and agree with him. It will incite racist dialogue and thinking. I didn't think it was necessary to write a paragraph in my thread title.

So do you agree with this sentiments or don't you?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Language is HUGE here. As someone else brought up, Quebec is a major issue here in Canada. There are many Quebecers that feel that the official language of Quebec should be French. English is our country's first official language, and French is our second. Language (and the heritage) is the basis behind the Quebec seperatist movement, which has almost happened on two occasions.

Everything on products sold in Canada have to have both languages on it, most street signs have both, etc. I'm not French, I know only what I learned in school, but never, EVER would I promote English as Canada's ONLY language.

scb wrote:

I HAD POSTED THIS IN THE WRONG THREAD :oops: :

Here's a question for the Canadians: Is language such a big issue there? Do people think English should be the only language spoken and that all signs and driver's exams, etc. should be in English? Does everyone speak English or do some people speak only French? Are the French-speakers or those who speak English with heavy accents looked down on as a group?

(Of course, accents are relative. Many people who are thought of as having accents would say they don't have accents at all - and that probably includes the guy in the video. I remember once when I had to call this hotel in Canada frequently for a couple of weeks - I couldn't understand a damn thing they were saying. But of course they were speaking English. Seems to me that if we're going to look down on people who speak English with accents - or ban them from teaching English, as AZ has done - then we should do that across the board. Don't just ban English with Spanish accents; ban English with all the other accents too. Then we'll really have a battle on our hands about who in the English-speaking countries and even in the U.S. is really the center of the world! And maybe we would be able to see the absurdity of it all.)

Hugh Freaking Dillon

scb wrote:

(Just the fact that we describe ourselves as "Americans" when there are many other countries in the Americas is indicative of our egocentrism.)

THANK YOU! I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS AND PEOPLE JUST COCK THEIR HEAD AT ME LIKE A CONFUSED DOG WHEN I BRING IT UP!!!

haffajappa

mb262200 wrote:

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Tushay!

I'm guessing that is the American way to spell touche'?

No, I just wasn't sure how to spell it and didn't care enough to look it up.

Like he said, ALL AMERICANS SHOULD SPEAK ENGLISH! (Not french)

haffajappa

Johnny Sitar wrote:

Language is HUGE here. As someone else brought up, Quebec is a major issue here in Canada. There are many Quebecers that feel that the official language of Quebec should be French. English is our country's first official language, and French is our second. Language (and the heritage) is the basis behind the Quebec seperatist movement, which has almost happened on two occasions.

Everything on products sold in Canada have to have both languages on it, most street signs have both, etc. I'm not French, I know only what I learned in school, but never, EVER would I promote English as Canada's ONLY language.

scb wrote:

I HAD POSTED THIS IN THE WRONG THREAD :oops: :

Here's a question for the Canadians: Is language such a big issue there? Do people think English should be the only language spoken and that all signs and driver's exams, etc. should be in English? Does everyone speak English or do some people speak only French? Are the French-speakers or those who speak English with heavy accents looked down on as a group?

(Of course, accents are relative. Many people who are thought of as having accents would say they don't have accents at all - and that probably includes the guy in the video. I remember once when I had to call this hotel in Canada frequently for a couple of weeks - I couldn't understand a damn thing they were saying. But of course they were speaking English. Seems to me that if we're going to look down on people who speak English with accents - or ban them from teaching English, as AZ has done - then we should do that across the board. Don't just ban English with Spanish accents; ban English with all the other accents too. Then we'll really have a battle on our hands about who in the English-speaking countries and even in the U.S. is really the center of the world! And maybe we would be able to see the absurdity of it all.)

Good points.
Hey, are you from Eastern Canada or West?
I'm from BC so I can say the culture is different here, but we all learn about the political faultlines between the English and the French - its definitely a touchy subject. In B.C. you would be better off learning Punjabi or Mandarin or Cantonese... Maybe its the Rockies that separates us but we really don't have a large French speaking population.

One thing I find very cool here is that there is actually a channel that broadcasts the Canucks games in Punjabi. Hockey is a huge sport in Canada but it is really interesting to see how it has exploded in our indo-canadian communities. Its just a cool mixture of cultures!!!!!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

haffajappa wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

Language is HUGE here. As someone else brought up, Quebec is a major issue here in Canada. There are many Quebecers that feel that the official language of Quebec should be French. English is our country's first official language, and French is our second. Language (and the heritage) is the basis behind the Quebec seperatist movement, which has almost happened on two occasions.

Everything on products sold in Canada have to have both languages on it, most street signs have both, etc. I'm not French, I know only what I learned in school, but never, EVER would I promote English as Canada's ONLY language.

scb wrote:

I HAD POSTED THIS IN THE WRONG THREAD :oops: :

Here's a question for the Canadians: Is language such a big issue there? Do people think English should be the only language spoken and that all signs and driver's exams, etc. should be in English? Does everyone speak English or do some people speak only French? Are the French-speakers or those who speak English with heavy accents looked down on as a group?

(Of course, accents are relative. Many people who are thought of as having accents would say they don't have accents at all - and that probably includes the guy in the video. I remember once when I had to call this hotel in Canada frequently for a couple of weeks - I couldn't understand a damn thing they were saying. But of course they were speaking English. Seems to me that if we're going to look down on people who speak English with accents - or ban them from teaching English, as AZ has done - then we should do that across the board. Don't just ban English with Spanish accents; ban English with all the other accents too. Then we'll really have a battle on our hands about who in the English-speaking countries and even in the U.S. is really the center of the world! And maybe we would be able to see the absurdity of it all.)

Good points.
Hey, are you from Eastern Canada or West?
I'm from BC so I can say the culture is different here, but we all learn about the political faultlines between the English and the French - its definitely a touchy subject. In B.C. you would be better off learning Punjabi or Mandarin or Cantonese... Maybe its the Rockies that separates us but we really don't have a large French speaking population.

One thing I find very cool here is that there is actually a channel that broadcasts the Canucks games in Punjabi. Hockey is a huge sport in Canada but it is really interesting to see how it has exploded in our indo-canadian communities. Its just a cool mixture of cultures!!!!!

neither. smack dab in the crotch of Canada: Winnipeg. So we also have a very fruitful Francophone community here. I actually live in the French community in the Peg.

I find the language issue is more of a problem with the previous generation, not mine (I'm 36). It's my parents generation that has a problem with the "this is my country, conform to our values" kind of bullshit. I don't know how many times I've tried to explain that this isn't our country, we stole it from the Native people that were already here. If they had the attitude that the Europeans that came here, we should ALL be speaking a Native Canadian dialect, not English.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

haffajappa wrote:

It bothers me people don't learn a language in the country they move to - i wouldn't move to Barcelona and expect to speak English.

why would that bother you? I'd probably try to learn Spanish, but if I could get by without it, say, if most of the community I lived in were also English speaking, or I was 75 and just didn't give a shit to, then it's my own problem. But the issue here is that the US and Canada have a melting pot of different cultures and languages. It only makes sense for us to help those that aren't English speaking thrive in their new home.

I'm a white Irish/Scottish/English Canadian, and that's my opinion.

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g under p wrote:

If we don't see something wrong with excluding non english speaking people when we're a country made of many different people from many different cultures/countries then this country truly heading backwards.

Peace

This message board makes me feel like it really is.

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Johnny Sitar wrote:

Nothingman54 wrote:

What's sick is this guy is being called a racist. The thread title should be changed cause this guy said not one thing racist. Dumbest thread of all time. Waste of time.

I don't throw around that term lightly, as you may or may not have seen in other threads on AMT. Maybe what he said doesn't directly infer racism, but think about who the people are that will listen to it and agree with him. It will incite racist dialogue and thinking. I didn't think it was necessary to write a paragraph in my thread title.

So do you agree with this sentiments or don't you?

If someone benefits from and actively promotes institutionalized racism, does that make him a racist?

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Johnny Sitar wrote:

It only makes sense for us to help those that aren't English speaking thrive in their new home.

Exactly. And it's the hypocrisy that kills me the most. It generally the same group of people who say everyone should learn English that are the ones who oppose ESL programs - whose sole purpose it to teach people English! They should make up their fucking minds. Don't OPPOSE something that supports your goal! This is just another reason to think it's not really about the language at all, but ultimately about contempt for different people. (It's the same, if you ask me, as the people who oppose abortion rights AND contraception and sex education. They say they just love the babies, but it sure seems like at some level they just hate the women.)

Dirtie_Frank

scb wrote:

Wow. What is this country coming to? :( Should all hospital forms be in English too? What about all restaurant menus? And this coming from a country that generally doesn't learn anyone else's language but expects everyone in the world to know ours. :roll:

Yes they should be, I lived in Germany for almost 5 years, they did not change anything for me to English.

When does it stop should we have forms in all languages. Since not every one speaks Spanish either. Should we have German, Russian, Italian, Portuguese, French, Korean, Farsi, etc....

tybird

Tim James is just a twit.....thinks this is still 1960's Alabama where that crap actually worked....son of an ex-governor [one term as a Democrat (1978-1982) and one term as a Republican (late 1990s)]...lost re-election bids both times.....Tim got a sweetheart deal from daddy to build a beach expressway and a couple of toll bridges (the only ones in the state)....his TV ads are a hoot with that silly look down at the floor right before he makes his point

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Dirtie_Frank wrote:

scb wrote:

Wow. What is this country coming to? :( Should all hospital forms be in English too? What about all restaurant menus? And this coming from a country that generally doesn't learn anyone else's language but expects everyone in the world to know ours. :roll:

Yes they should be, I lived in Germany for almost 5 years, they did not change anything for me to English.

When does it stop should we have forms in all languages. Since not every one speaks Spanish either. Should we have German, Russian, Italian, Portuguese, French, Korean, Farsi, etc....

Communities (and business, if they are smart) should make important services, like hospital services, available in the languages spoken by most of the community. Where I work, our brochures and paperwork are generally in English, Spanish, Navajo, and Vietnamese, and we have interpreter services for other languages. That's just practical if we actually care to do what we are here to do. What do you expect? That we should just tell patients they're SOL if they don't speak English? Should 911 do that to and, if so, will you be fine with it when you're in a car accident and a person with limited English proficiency calls 911 and they tell him they only serve people who speak English?

haffajappa

Johnny Sitar wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

It bothers me people don't learn a language in the country they move to - i wouldn't move to Barcelona and expect to speak English.

why would that bother you? I'd probably try to learn Spanish, but if I could get by without it, say, if most of the community I lived in were also English speaking, or I was 75 and just didn't give a shit to, then it's my own problem. But the issue here is that the US and Canada have a melting pot of different cultures and languages. It only makes sense for us to help those that aren't English speaking thrive in their new home.

I'm a white Irish/Scottish/English Canadian, and that's my opinion.

Hmm, I don't know. I guess I consider it rude more than anything.
I don't get what your ancestry has to do with it though...

By the way, my mother is an ESL teacher for a government run program... And I don't disagree with drivers tests in different languages, like I said, you don't need to learn the language to know how to drive.

Jason P

English is not the official language of the U.S. but those that choose not to speak it fluently (or have problems learning it) will find their opportunities (both business and social) to be severely limited. This is more evident the further north you travel.

cincybearcat

scb wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

+1

It's simply a case of people not wanting to change because of entitlement and looking at things on the other foot. Pathetic... and it comes out in measures of racism, hatred, jingoism and ignorance.

I agree, and it's sad. Not just for the victims of our sense of entitlement, but also for us and our children, who are missing out on a whole world of rich language, culture, and experiences. Shouldn't we WANT to learn other languages? :?

I agree with this sentiment. It is a shame that Americans don't learn more languages. I only speak English...forgot all the french I toke long ago. I'll make sure that my daughter learns another language at least (hopefully spanish) and will certainly encourage it's use so she doesn't lose it.

I'm too lazy and busy to take my own spanish classes...but maybe someday while my kid is learning.

cincybearcat

I do wish we could get past the whole...."Gotta speak English" and the whole "You're a racist" talk though...because underneath is a great debate.

Just what should tax payers be paying for? How many languages are enough? Etc, etc. Don't know the answer, but there is a line somewhere I would think.

I do wish people in the USA were more tolerant of people speaking other languages though. When I travel to other countries...and I only speak english...I feel bad, because I feel like I should be able to speak to them in their language, but I'm only visiting for a short time. And I also wonder what they think of me since I only speak english and some Americans have been real jerks about. I hope they are more tolerant of me.