Any non sports fans in the house?

musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited May 2010 in All Encompassing Trip
Cant claim to be a complete innocent here as i used to be a die hard jordan fan, but in general i dont get sports at all. and it often seems i am the only person in my town, or in the world who isnt caught up in the latest sports news or score or game or whatever. one of my favorite analogies came from a teacher, who suggested that sports fan mentality resembles nazi rallies in their ferver and outlandishness. i concur. i used to play sports. basketball was my thing. i was actually pretty talented. but in 6th grade or so, you had to start trying out to play, it became about single a, double a and triple a. i remember clearly being terrified of my 6th grade basketball coach, who was rude, and a complete jerk. the focus had shifted from just having a fun time, to winning and beating the other team. i could have cared less about any of that. Even now I have to laugh when some sports fan says "we won". Really, you were on the team and lead them on to victory, eh? i dislike sports cutthroat attitude in general, the nationalistic aspects of it, and the win at all costs attitude. we have seen the results of a society that lives by that rule, in the effects of steroids on baseball and how pervasive it is. the focus becomes winning, not on playing a game that you love. winning becomes the sole reason for playing.

in general sports is a distraction from whats important in life. and we all need distractions. i indulge in silly or frivolous things as well. but whereas going to see a movie as escapism has some redeeming qualities to it, i fail to see the societal importance of football for example. there was that spot on onion satire years ago, that went along the lines of "football player will never walk again due to injury, but his team wins".

my dad and uncle are sports nuts. first thing they talk about when they see each other, is about the local sports scene. its so foreign and bizaare to me.
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  • veddertownveddertown Posts: 5,260
    I used to watch sports a lot and do understand the attraction but I got bored with it in the last few years. The majority of sports on TV are over-sponsored and the money earners have made individual clubs so much better than their rivals that the trophy winners are generally the same ones who always win. Makes it kind of boring to me? I know there are arguments for all the pros and cons for all different sports but I switch channel for all events now.
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    I used to watch sports a lot and do understand the attraction but I got bored with it in the last few years. The majority of sports on TV are over-sponsored and the money earners have made individual clubs so much better than their rivals that the trophy winners are generally the same ones who always win. Makes it kind of boring to me? I know there are arguments for all the pros and cons for all different sports but I switch channel for all events now.

    i agree good point. the commercialization of sports is a huge aspect of why i cant stand it. its all about having endorsement deals and all that stuff. i dont get it. why does tiger promote some cadillac? Whats up with federer and that shaving gel commercial? I never understood that aspect of it all. Especially for federer and tiger both could easily be called the greatest ever in their respective sports, whats the point of hawking some useless item. its like its commerce for commerces sake.

    I know that better than just about anyone as I am a alumni of the University of oregon. Nike and Phil knight essentially built the football stadium, and paid for the building of a new basketball arena. Nike was essentially started at the U of O. As an anarchist/socialist radical i had a big problem attending a school where essentially everything was bought and paid for by Phil Knight.

    Sports is about the image. about winning no matter what. Look at Tiger woods. Everyone in the world expects him to win every single tournament he enters and when he takes a 5 month break from golf, and then returns, he comes in 4th but he considers that a failure? its like...okay....

    and the whole issue of cheating is key here. i was a fan of mcguire and conseco. when cheating becomes so prevalent in sports, as it is right now, in every sport, its sort of pointless to watch. everything that the athlete does is called into question in terms of legitimacy.
  • ActionJackActionJack Posts: 137
    sports can teach you valuable life lessons as well as form lifelong friendships. They occupy alot of free time for our youth which keeps them out of trouble. They build character. I can see if one has a problem with pro sports going overboard with exposure, but tons of money can ruin just about anything. personally, i dont kno where id be today without sports.

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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    yeah im not a fan of sports these days.
    for kids and shit it's fantastic to be active.
    watching sports on tv or at the actual event and being all into it is ridiculous to my notion.

    i must say that every big time sports fan i know is a jerk off.
    btw, what is football or baseball fantasy?
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  • ActionJack wrote:
    sports can teach you valuable life lessons as well as form lifelong friendships. They occupy alot of free time for our youth which keeps them out of trouble. They build character. I can see if one has a problem with pro sports going overboard with exposure, but tons of money can ruin just about anything. personally, i dont kno where id be today without sports.


    lots of things can teach kids valuable life lessons and can form lifelong friendships as well. thats whats so maddening about sports for me. Just using the University of oregon as an example again, a ton of money is given to the sports department each year. Phil Knight donated millions of dollars to fund that new sports/basketball arena. It seems to me that money could be better spend funding something more productive (art programs, music programs, activist organizations, social justice organizations etc...).

    sports isnt all bad sure, i admit that. but i personally dont get the whole culture of it all. competition is fine, but when it gets to what i mentined before: win at all costs, whats the point? Sports then stops becoming a positive influence and becomes negative. A bunch of drunk fans. And a whole "lets get him" mentality to it. The whole crowd boos every single time, any call is made against their team, reguardless of if it was correct or not

    I remember specifically it may have been in that pivitol 6th grade year when I quit sports, but it was this basketball game. I was playing. And the other teams coach was turning blue in the face arguing with the ref, swearing, my mom said he looked like he was going to have a heart attack. Now mind you this wasnt an important game. it was grade school basketball. my mom, when we left, gave him a dirty look, and said something to him like "I hope you dont have a heart attack".

    the whole culture of it is rotten it seems. its just like politics. who's up. who is down. whos winning. who's losing. Who will win, who wont. And by how much. Who is injured. Who is the MVP. Who cares? Its all so asinine and non important.

    Kids can be kept off the streets and learn new things, form bonds in many ways. sports isnt the only way these things occur.

    If you accept sports can have positive aspects, it only comes to frution that it can have negative influences as well. the cheating aspect of it, winning at all costs, the cutthroat attitude, the militaristic and nationalistic aspects of sports, the I wont help or go over to a player to see if they are hurt because they are on the other team mentality.

    To keep my future kids off the streets, seems to me much more prudent to enrol them in some painting classes or guitar lessons or drama classes rather than have them become the next Federer.
  • seems so meaningless to me. say your hometown basketball team, college team win the ncaa championship, or say, your favorite baseball teams wins the world series. if you arent on the team, and dont have family on the team, how does it really impact your life, at all? What meaning does it have? i have heard the argument that sports brings people together, that it gives people something to discuss, but it seems to me, we all could discuss more pressing issues, than the nfl draft or who is injured on the lakers or whatever
  • and as far as the "bringing people together" argument, have you ever been to a sports event? Its more mob mentality and almost lynch mob attitude that pervades in sports fans than a "lets all get together cheer our team on and respect one another". its almost a sense of bloodlust. its gross
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,617
    civic pride. that's what i absolutely love about sports more than anything else.

    you mentioned going to the movies as a form of escapism. sport is entertainment too. but the overwhelming feeling accomplishment and happiness when your city's team comes together and wins a championship is like no other feeling i have ever imagined....and i am from philadelphia where i've only gotten to experience that one glorious time in my life (the first few when i was little don't count!). the night the phillies won and then the parade with 3 million other friends were two of the most joyous days of my entire life.
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  • ActionJack wrote:
    sports can teach you valuable life lessons as well as form lifelong friendships. They occupy alot of free time for our youth which keeps them out of trouble. They build character. I can see if one has a problem with pro sports going overboard with exposure, but tons of money can ruin just about anything. personally, i dont kno where id be today without sports.


    the question is, is it sane to pump millions into sports programs? Cant we as a society maybe come up with a better use of those funds?
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,617
    ActionJack wrote:
    sports can teach you valuable life lessons as well as form lifelong friendships. They occupy alot of free time for our youth which keeps them out of trouble. They build character. I can see if one has a problem with pro sports going overboard with exposure, but tons of money can ruin just about anything. personally, i dont kno where id be today without sports.


    the question is, is it sane to pump millions into sports programs? Cant we as a society maybe come up with a better use of those funds?

    societies going back centuries and centuries and centuries have been into sports. you realize that right?
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  • ActionJack wrote:
    sports can teach you valuable life lessons as well as form lifelong friendships. They occupy alot of free time for our youth which keeps them out of trouble. They build character. I can see if one has a problem with pro sports going overboard with exposure, but tons of money can ruin just about anything. personally, i dont kno where id be today without sports.


    the question is, is it sane to pump millions into sports programs? Cant we as a society maybe come up with a better use of those funds?

    societies going back centuries and centuries and centuries have been into sports. you realize that right?

    so you think its right to spend millions on funding the U of O new arena that is being built? reguardless of if you know the specifics of it or not, you have to be kidding me to tell me at a university of all places, millions of dollars could do alot of good, spreading it out into the community would be even better obviously, that funding some arena is the best use of millions of dollars. its a question of priorities. my alma mater values sports over the education of its citizens and paying attendees. and i dont think my university is unique. why is it weird of me to suggest maybe this isnt the kind of society that we all deserve?

    societies have been into alot of things for centuries. violence, homophobia, racism, xenophobia, war. just because something is so, doesnt mean its right or just.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,617
    so you think its right to spend millions on funding the U of O new arena that is being built? reguardless of if you know the specifics of it or not, you have to be kidding me to tell me at a university of all places, millions of dollars could do alot of good, spreading it out into the community would be even better obviously, that funding some arena is the best use of millions of dollars. its a question of priorities. my alma mater values sports over the education of its citizens and paying attendees. and i dont think my university is unique. why is it weird of me to suggest maybe this isnt the kind of society that we all deserve?

    societies have been into alot of things for centuries. violence, homophobia, racism, xenophobia, war. just because something is so, doesnt mean its right or just.

    oh my god dude. chill out. when did i say i support public financing of stadiums?

    civic pride. that's where it's at.

    also---because something is so, that doesn't make it just. you are right. it makes it AWESOME. :clap::clap:

    i feel bad for people who can't enjoy something like the city of philadelphia experienced a couple years back.
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  • civic pride. that's what i absolutely love about sports more than anything else.

    you mentioned going to the movies as a form of escapism. sport is entertainment too. but the overwhelming feeling accomplishment and happiness when your city's team comes together and wins a championship is like no other feeling i have ever imagined....and i am from philadelphia where i've only gotten to experience that one glorious time in my life (the first few when i was little don't count!). the night the phillies won and then the parade with 3 million other friends were two of the most joyous days of my entire life.

    thats exactly what i mean. beyond a feeling of pride, what is the legacy and lasting importance of your favorite teams winning a championship? How does it positively affect your life? The phillies won, but how does that effect you a year later? 5 years or a decade later?

    And as far as civic pride, its fascinating that cheering on a sports team would be termed civic pride. My hometown Eugene Oregon is known as a hippie haven, Berkely North. But it also is historical racist, and even recently, in the last few years, many prominent local african americans came out and unveiled the "ex-files", a series of documents, showing the reasons why many african americans left the town. racism was at the top of the list.

    I say all this, to suggest, civic pride to me, means being proud of ones community and neighbors. whether the UO football team wins the rose bowl or not, has no impact on me. The Ducks lost the rose bowl this year, but that hasnt crippled my life. I live it, i live on reguardless. To me, civic pride would be the community coming together to maybe build a new school, or to fund some new anti war organization, or to come out to a protest in large numbers. A sports team winning or not winning, will not figure into my lifes regrets when i am dying. maybe some of you will think of sports in that moment. i wont.
  • so you think its right to spend millions on funding the U of O new arena that is being built? reguardless of if you know the specifics of it or not, you have to be kidding me to tell me at a university of all places, millions of dollars could do alot of good, spreading it out into the community would be even better obviously, that funding some arena is the best use of millions of dollars. its a question of priorities. my alma mater values sports over the education of its citizens and paying attendees. and i dont think my university is unique. why is it weird of me to suggest maybe this isnt the kind of society that we all deserve?

    societies have been into alot of things for centuries. violence, homophobia, racism, xenophobia, war. just because something is so, doesnt mean its right or just.

    oh my god dude. chill out. when did i say i support public financing of stadiums?

    civic pride. that's where it's at.

    also---because something is so, that doesn't make it just. you are right. it makes it AWESOME. :clap::clap:

    i feel bad for people who can't enjoy something like the city of philadelphia experienced a couple years back.


    i feel bad for those who think a bunch of guys paralyzing each other, and murdering each other as in football, is a source of pleasure, entertainment, joy and civic pride. i gotta say, no wonder our country is such a mess if this is the prevailing attitude.

    Civic pride is fine by me. But lets celebrate something more momentous and important and special than a people throwing a ball through a net, or scoring touchdowns or hitting a ball with a bat.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,617
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    so you think its right to spend millions on funding the U of O new arena that is being built? reguardless of if you know the specifics of it or not, you have to be kidding me to tell me at a university of all places, millions of dollars could do alot of good, spreading it out into the community would be even better obviously, that funding some arena is the best use of millions of dollars. its a question of priorities. my alma mater values sports over the education of its citizens and paying attendees. and i dont think my university is unique. why is it weird of me to suggest maybe this isnt the kind of society that we all deserve?

    societies have been into alot of things for centuries. violence, homophobia, racism, xenophobia, war. just because something is so, doesnt mean its right or just.

    oh my god dude. chill out. when did i say i support public financing of stadiums?

    civic pride. that's where it's at.

    also---because something is so, that doesn't make it just. you are right. it makes it AWESOME. :clap::clap:

    i feel bad for people who can't enjoy something like the city of philadelphia experienced a couple years back.


    i feel bad for those who think a bunch of guys paralyzing each other, and murdering each other as in football, is a source of pleasure, entertainment, joy and civic pride. i gotta say, no wonder our country is such a mess if this is the prevailing attitude.

    Civic pride is fine by me. But lets celebrate something more momentous and important and special than a people throwing a ball through a net, or scoring touchdowns or hitting a ball with a bat.

    Am I in a Debbie Downer skit? :roll:
    You do realize that every country on the face of the earth loves sports as much as we do right? Why would you choose to single out just this country?
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  • ActionJackActionJack Posts: 137
    it would be nice if that money at your university could go to academics, but the fact of the matter is these sporting events generate large amounts of revenue for the school (including academics). Its not just money pumped into nothing, its an investment. Now pro sports go a little bit overboard yes i will agree with that, but thats due to the almigty dollar along with the "celeberty worship" aspect of our culture which is not just specific to sports. As for life lessons, im not saying sports are the only way these things can occur, but they are structed and easily accessable.

    Not everyone is an artist or a writer. Some people dont excel in the classroom. To some, sports are the only thing they have to be proud of... its the only thing that gives them a sense of accomplishment. To some (this may sound overly dramatic) its what gives them meaning in their life. I consider sports to be a form of self expression just like the arts.

    When you say "win at all costs", you seem to be focused too much on all the negative out there. Ive played sports my entire life and i can tell you that 99% of the time, both teams give it their all, and no matter the outcome they shake hands and give due credit to their opponents. Sure there are those assholes out there that go about things the wrong way but i can assure you from 23 years of experience they are the minority. Most of the time, the nonsense going on in the stands is a hell of alot more hostile then whats happening on the field, even in football. Thats just human nature i guess.

    My father has been a coach for over 30 years, and at an early age, he explained to me the importance of losing. No thats not a typo. He would say "winning is easy. losing is hard to take. losing builds more character than winning. " Maybe im lucky to learn from someone with such insight, but its led me to influence all those ive competed with just that message.

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  • ActionJackActionJack Posts: 137
    edited April 2010
    wow this thread got a little hostile in the time it took me to type that haha

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,041
    societies going back centuries and centuries and centuries have been into sports. you realize that right?

    so you think its right to spend millions on funding the U of O new arena that is being built? reguardless of if you know the specifics of it or not, you have to be kidding me to tell me at a university of all places, millions of dollars could do alot of good, spreading it out into the community would be even better obviously, that funding some arena is the best use of millions of dollars. its a question of priorities. my alma mater values sports over the education of its citizens and paying attendees. and i dont think my university is unique. why is it weird of me to suggest maybe this isnt the kind of society that we all deserve?

    societies have been into alot of things for centuries. violence, homophobia, racism, xenophobia, war. just because something is so, doesnt mean its right or just.
    This Knight person , is using his own money to build this new arena? And your problem is with sports? Isn't your real arguement that HIS money could be better spent? You've already stated what a draw sports is. Try this one on for size. Once this new arena is built, I'm guessing around 20K seats? Ok , possibilty the band who's board you're on right now might play there. Along with some of your other faves. what say you now?
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  • mickeyrat wrote:
    societies going back centuries and centuries and centuries have been into sports. you realize that right?

    so you think its right to spend millions on funding the U of O new arena that is being built? reguardless of if you know the specifics of it or not, you have to be kidding me to tell me at a university of all places, millions of dollars could do alot of good, spreading it out into the community would be even better obviously, that funding some arena is the best use of millions of dollars. its a question of priorities. my alma mater values sports over the education of its citizens and paying attendees. and i dont think my university is unique. why is it weird of me to suggest maybe this isnt the kind of society that we all deserve?

    societies have been into alot of things for centuries. violence, homophobia, racism, xenophobia, war. just because something is so, doesnt mean its right or just.
    This Knight person , is using his own money to build this new arena? And your problem is with sports? Isn't your real arguement that HIS money could be better spent? You've already stated what a draw sports is. Try this one on for size. Once this new arena is built, I'm guessing around 20K seats? Ok , possibilty the band who's board you're on right now might play there. Along with some of your other faves. what say you now?

    i agree, i would go. and i as i said i am an alumni of the school, dylans played at the university twice in the past decade, ive seen john lewis there, saul williams, ward churchill, woody harrelson.

    that said, the point is, this knight guy is a big deal. he is phil knight the ceo and head honcho of nike one of the largest corporations in the world. nike was launched in Eugene, near the UO campus, and nike makes the jerseys for the sports teams here, specifically with endorsements by nike. this is where nike started.

    its a conlfict of interests i am not comfortable with. my school, was at the center of the 99 riots over the wto and all that, as our own campus was being funded by nike. my feeling is that, sports is your own deal, if you want to do it fine. its your own bag. but sports departments get WAY more revenue and allocated funds and budgets than any other department, and thats in all schools. all universities. lets fund sports. but lets also give equal funds to art, music, film, dance, photography, social justice programs etc...

    I wouldnt be complaining if millions was being allocated by the university for the above stuff. it isnt.

    you said not everyone excels in arts or writing or the classroom, and of course you are right. but not everyone is an athlete and not everyone has an interest in playing or patronizing sporting events.

    Balance is the key. and its not balanced as it exists today.

    Lets face it, no school sports program, college or otherwise is in danger of being cut or lost due to cuts. the cuts go to the arts, music, film, dance, photography

    to me, the leaders of our future, the future leaders of america, not in terms of politics, but in general terms, will not be the football or basketball meatheads on your local high school or college squad, but the intelligent, creative, brilliant, idealistic individuals who are in those above fields. lets put it this way, i respect someone who is in the environmental club or photography or anime club as opposed to the jock in football and baseball squads
  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,685
    81 wrote:
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  • its not just sports phil knight and by extension nike pay for and support. the university library is named Knight Library. As i said, he basically owns the entire university in a way
  • ActionJackActionJack Posts: 137
    woah this was a good convo lets not start name calling... meathead and jock are stereotypes as well as a shitty thing to call someone

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,041
    well I tell ya, Ohio State football earns enough revenue to fund the majority of the sports teams in that dept.and in fact does support those programs financially. Thereby freeing up moneys for students and campus improvements or other projects the University deems fit. One thing about college sports that bother, Basketball in particular, is these kids jumping into the pros and not finishing their degree. In my view, these guys should have to repay the cost of the scholarship and any other monies spent so they could jump to the pros.
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  • HorosHoros Posts: 4,518
    You really do need to find a job. I too live in Eugene. If it wasn't for the sports programs at the University they would have less money to spend than they do now. If it wasn't for Nike you would have had to pay at least double for that degree.
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    You really do need to find a job. I too live in Eugene. If it wasn't for the sports programs at the University they would have less money to spend than they do now. If it wasn't for Nike you would have had to pay at least double for that degree.

    hey shut up horos. ok, cool. yeah i will just change my philosophy of life because horos says i should. yeah let me get to work on that. and i surely will bown down to nike, a modern day slave corporation, that has sweatshops where honduran mothers and children work for 10 cents a shoe, that eventually sells for 100 bucks. yeah, i am pro nike now. thanks horos. thanks for showing me the light.
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    People say the exact same thing about music. I love sports, and I love music.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,617
    i'm still waiting to hear why the OP only has a problem with sports in the USA...
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