if it really was about directing America in a better way why don't the tea baggers stop trying to cause a "revolution" and run for office, oh yeah because they wont win, they do not have enough support, there just a fringe movement
lets not get tied down if they are racist or not, or if there anti- Semitic, im sure quite a lot are and quite a few aren't, but at the end of the day its just semantics, the Tea-Baggers are a fringe right wing organization that would get obliterated in elections and thats why they are afraid to run, and have to try and scare people
Spending money on getting our own citizens healthcare....BAD (because of the deficit)
Spending countless billions a year on funding an unwinnable war (which caused the deficit). FINE
I find it extremely ironic that the right supports a war in a country that we invaded so we could turn a muslim country into a Democracy. Yet helping some of our less fortunate American taxpayers who, for one reason or another, can't afford or lost their healthcare, is protested heavily. These teabaggers support a Muslim country trying to become a Democracy, yet accuse our president of being Muslim. They were all over Obama about being a member of Rev. Wright's church. Now in my opinion, Wright is a radical Christian. But he is a Christian just the same. It was convenient to call Obama a follower of a radical Christian, but now he is a Muslim who isn't a US citizen? How convenient.
If some of these right wing teabaggers were just more consistent with their ideas, they might actually be taken a little more seriously.
I don’t know anyone that supports the war left or right....
I don’t know anyone that wants to keep healthcare from anyone...is it necessary to mandate health care for EVERYONE?....to help those that have none....NO it is not...
Obama canceled the National Day of prayer but did not cancel the Muslim prayer day...hmmmm
sounds as if, at the least he favors, Muslims over Christians...especially when he said we are not a Christian Nation.....You should know this because in no way does he try to hide his favoritism....this Nation was created based on Christian values....which is the reason we have a choice to follow the religion of our choice....
And if you far left sheep could at least back up your claims.......you may actually be taken more seriously.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
if it really was about directing America in a better way why don't the tea baggers stop trying to cause a "revolution" and run for office, oh yeah because they wont win, they do not have enough support, there just a fringe movement
lets not get tied down if they are racist or not, or if there anti- Semitic, im sure quite a lot are and quite a few aren't, but at the end of the day its just semantics, the Tea-Baggers are a fringe right wing organization that would get obliterated in elections and thats why they are afraid to run, and have to try and scare people
Just wait till November....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
And again....the Tea Party movement as a whole is not promoting or encouraging said behavior. As I've said over...and over...and over again but for some reason you are having a hard time comprehending; there are idiots in every group, Tea Partiers included. Should the whole movement be condemned for it? Should all Muslims be condemned because a few of them flew planes into the WTC? I know, another straw man, but I'm doing my best to use the dumbest arguments possible, in order to help you understand. I don't know if I can bring it down any more than that.
So nice of you to resort to underhanded insults, but not to worry. I'm understanding you perfectly.
You keep insisting that just because there are black faces in the crowd, there's no racism in the Teabagger movement, and yet you refuse to acknowledge that the racism is there.
And the comparisons to Muslims are another fallacy. Muslims, in the vast majority, did not, and are not, participating in terrorist attacks. Vast majority of them don't even subscribe to radical Wahabism. The first country to issue an official condemnation against the 9-11 attack? Iran. So did Saudi Arabia. Many more.
Teabagger leader to condemn the racism? I've yet to see an unequivocal renouncing... mostly just vacillating, tempered denial of responsibility. Something on the order of: "yeah the violence is bad, yeah the racism is bad, but they're just angry and they have the right to be violent and racist".
Well bull-freaking-crap. Either it's acceptable, or it's not. And until the group as a whole stops with this buffoonery and thuggery, they cannot escape responsibility for their actions.
I condemn the whole movement until they renounce the violence and the racism. So far, I haven't seen any of their acknowledged leaders expressly condemn it and tell their followers to stop. In fact, they seem to be content to just lay back and let the violence escalate.
violence by the Tea Party....
I've been perfectly consistent, and if you had decent reading comprehension skills you'd see that I was asked if there were any policies I disagreed with. I said, "One of the policies I don't agree with, is how they have let some Republicans latch onto the movement. I personally wouldn't let any of them speak at a Rally."
I guess I should have been more specific, because I know it's hard for you to keep up. I was referring to Politicians. I don't agree with Republican politicians latching onto the movement in order to milk the support of Tea Party supporters.
LOL. You referred to "politicians" without stating so on your post. Can't blame me for reading comprehension skills when your writing clearly lacks clarity and elucidation. Try being less emotional and more substantive
1.There are no leaders in the Tea Party
2. "yeah the violence is bad, yeah the racism is bad, but they're just angry and they have the right to be violent and racist".
Were did you hear this....for one there is NO racism in the Tea Party....and there has been NO violence by the Tea Party....
The Tea Party does not condone violence at all! And never has...
So why would they renounce something that never happened?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
....this Nation was created based on Christian values....which is the reason we have a choice to follow the religion of our choice....
Except the writer of the Constitution was a Deist... Hence why he's no longer taught in Texas.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
....this Nation was created based on Christian values....which is the reason we have a choice to follow the religion of our choice....
Except the writer of the Constitution was a Deist... Hence why he's no longer taught in Texas.
The Constitution was not written by one man.....
I have to say I don't know much about Texas
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
....this Nation was created based on Christian values....which is the reason we have a choice to follow the religion of our choice....
Except the writer of the Constitution was a Deist... Hence why he's no longer taught in Texas.
The Constitution was not written by one man.....
I have to say I don't know much about Texas
I was referring to Jefferson. And essentially, High Schools in Texas have removed him from their textbooks because he goes against the thought that America is a Christian nation.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of [Muslims},—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any [Islamic} nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Treaty being ratified the the Senate and signed by then President John Adams, that infamous godless Communist himself.
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
Obama canceled the National Day of prayer but did not cancel the Muslim prayer day...hmmmm
sounds as if, at the least he favors, Muslims over Christians...especially when he said we are not a Christian Nation.....You should know this because in no way does he try to hide his favoritism....this Nation was created based on Christian values....which is the reason we have a choice to follow the religion of our choice....
And if you far left sheep could at least back up your claims.......you may actually be taken more seriously.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
also, the bible says "For rebellion as is the sin of witchcraft." 1 Samuel, 15:23 so, technically what they did was a sin?
the founding fathers had some interesting takes on christianity
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
if it really was about directing America in a better way why don't the tea baggers stop trying to cause a "revolution" and run for office, oh yeah because they wont win, they do not have enough support, there just a fringe movement
lets not get tied down if they are racist or not, or if there anti- Semitic, im sure quite a lot are and quite a few aren't, but at the end of the day its just semantics, the Tea-Baggers are a fringe right wing organization that would get obliterated in elections and thats why they are afraid to run, and have to try and scare people
Just wait till November....
seriously, what is going to happen in november? i absolutely DARE you, no TRIPLE DOG DARE you to run a series of candidates whose platform is the following:
1, give back to insurance companies the right to drop or deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions
2, not allow kids to stay on their parents insurance until age 26
3, open back up the donut hole in medicare rx drug plan
4, allow insurance companies to again arbitrarily raise premiums up to 39% for no reason at all like blue cross did a few months ago
5, deny or repeal coverage to the 35 million people that were just covered by the new law...
6, raise taxes again on middle income americans while cutting taxes on those making over $250,000, the opposite of what the new law does...
and these 6 items are under just one law opposed by the gop AND the teabaggers...
i absolutely dare you to run people that will campagn on that and see what happens and how badly the floor gets wiped with them.
even better, i dare you to run teabag candidates to siphon votes from the gop to virtually guarantee obama and the dems re-election...i dare you to do it...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
if it really was about directing America in a better way why don't the tea baggers stop trying to cause a "revolution" and run for office, oh yeah because they wont win, they do not have enough support, there just a fringe movement
lets not get tied down if they are racist or not, or if there anti- Semitic, im sure quite a lot are and quite a few aren't, but at the end of the day its just semantics, the Tea-Baggers are a fringe right wing organization that would get obliterated in elections and thats why they are afraid to run, and have to try and scare people
Just wait till November....
seriously, what is going to happen in november? i absolutely DARE you, no TRIPLE DOG DARE you to run a series of candidates whose platform is the following:
1, give back to insurance companies the right to drop or deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions
2, not allow kids to stay on their parents insurance until age 26
3, open back up the donut hole in medicare rx drug plan
4, allow insurance companies to again arbitrarily raise premiums up to 39% for no reason at all like blue cross did a few months ago
5, deny or repeal coverage to the 35 million people that were just covered by the new law...
6, raise taxes again on middle income americans while cutting taxes on those making over $250,000, the opposite of what the new law does...
and these 6 items are under just one law opposed by the gop AND the teabaggers...
i absolutely dare you to run people that will campagn on that and see what happens and how badly the floor gets wiped with them.
even better, i dare you to run teabag candidates to siphon votes from the gop to virtually guarantee obama and the dems re-election...i dare you to do it...
You still don’t get it......the Tea Party is not all about healthcare...it’s about keeping America a Republic.......it’s time to kick ALL congress out........we are going to be working hard to Flip That House!
Like I have repeated over and over the cause is not Republican or Democrats...it’s not race or ethnic related....it’s happening because the people we elect Dem. and Repub. Both Are not listening to the people they work for ...then there’s the rampant corruption we have in the House
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
You still don’t get it......the Tea Party is not all about healthcare...it’s about keeping America a Republic.......it’s time to kick ALL congress out........we are going to be working hard to Flip That House!
Like I have repeated over and over the cause is not Republican or Democrats...it’s not race or ethnic related....it’s happening because the people we elect Dem. and Repub. Both Are not listening to the people they work for ...then there’s the rampant corruption we have in the House
hate to break it to you, but that ain't gonna happen...
i still dare your little group to campaign on that...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You still don’t get it......the Tea Party is not all about healthcare...it’s about keeping America a Republic.......it’s time to kick ALL congress out........we are going to be working hard to Flip That House!
Like I have repeated over and over the cause is not Republican or Democrats...it’s not race or ethnic related....it’s happening because the people we elect Dem. and Repub. Both Are not listening to the people they work for ...then there’s the rampant corruption we have in the House
hate to break it to you, but that ain't gonna happen...
i still dare your little group to campaign on that...
I can't see why anyone would be against it
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
You still don’t get it......the Tea Party is not all about healthcare...it’s about keeping America a Republic.......it’s time to kick ALL congress out........we are going to be working hard to Flip That House!
Like I have repeated over and over the cause is not Republican or Democrats...it’s not race or ethnic related....it’s happening because the people we elect Dem. and Repub. Both Are not listening to the people they work for ...then there’s the rampant corruption we have in the House
hate to break it to you, but that ain't gonna happen...
i still dare your little group to campaign on that...
You still don’t get it......the Tea Party is not all about healthcare...it’s about keeping America a Republic.......it’s time to kick ALL congress out........we are going to be working hard to Flip That House!
Like I have repeated over and over the cause is not Republican or Democrats...it’s not race or ethnic related....it’s happening because the people we elect Dem. and Repub. Both Are not listening to the people they work for ...then there’s the rampant corruption we have in the House
Are you saying there are people that don’t mind the corruption in the White House?....and there are people that don’t have a problem with their representatives representing and listening to lobbyist over the people?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Are you saying there are people that don’t mind the corruption in the White House?....and there are people that don’t have a problem with their representatives representing and listening to lobbyist over the people?
you where speaking of proof earlier, where is your proof of corruption in the white house
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If you don't think this is actually true, we wouldn't be in the political situation we are. 50% of the voting population doesn't vote in a presidential election and 60-65% in congressional elections. So to answer your question, wholeheartedly yes... people do not care because they do not participate, stay involved or even educated on the issues of the day.
Are you saying there are people that don’t mind the corruption in the White House?....and there are people that don’t have a problem with their representatives representing and listening to lobbyist over the people?
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
If you don't think this is actually true, we wouldn't be in the political situation we are. 50% of the voting population doesn't vote in a presidential election and 60-65% in congressional elections. So to answer your question, wholeheartedly yes... people do not care because they do not participate, stay involved or even educated on the issues of the day.
Are you saying there are people that don’t mind the corruption in the White House?....and there are people that don’t have a problem with their representatives representing and listening to lobbyist over the people?
Do you care? does Gimme, commy, and the others care?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Yes some care, but as a whole, it doesn't compensate all that much into practice because our system has been so deluded with corruption and impenetrable to change to root it out. The idea of incorporation has undermined any possibility of change and progress through the system to fix it... ie the only way to fix it will be from the outside and not attempting to participate in it (elections, partisan politics, etc).
Do you care? does Gimme, commy, and the others care?
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
If you don't think this is actually true, we wouldn't be in the political situation we are. 50% of the voting population doesn't vote in a presidential election and 60-65% in congressional elections. So to answer your question, wholeheartedly yes... people do not care because they do not participate, stay involved or even educated on the issues of the day.
Are you saying there are people that don’t mind the corruption in the White House?....and there are people that don’t have a problem with their representatives representing and listening to lobbyist over the people?
Do you care? does Gimme, commy, and the others care?
i care, but not as much as you appear to....acting like a damn 2 year old and throwing teabags and spouting racist ephitats (sp) im pretty sure is not the way to go about stopping it...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Why else are they getting hired and making all this money unless they're actually getting something done?" - Barack Obama on lobbyists
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Are you saying there are people that don’t mind the corruption in the White House?....and there are people that don’t have a problem with their representatives representing and listening to lobbyist over the people?
i care, but not as much as you appear to....acting like a damn 2 year old and throwing teabags and spouting racist ephitats (sp) im pretty sure is not the way to go about stopping it...
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Well good because that is what I AM NOT doing.........can't you ever be civil?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Obama canceled the National Day of prayer but did not cancel the Muslim prayer day...hmmmm
sounds as if, at the least he favors, Muslims over Christians...especially when he said we are not a Christian Nation.....You should know this because in no way does he try to hide his favoritism....this Nation was created based on Christian values....which is the reason we have a choice to follow the religion of our choice....
And if you far left sheep could at least back up your claims.......you may actually be taken more seriously.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
also, the bible says "For rebellion as is the sin of witchcraft." 1 Samuel, 15:23 so, technically what they did was a sin?
the founding fathers had some interesting takes on christianity
The Declaration of Independence contains at least four references to God.
architects of the Constitution
The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin--this at a time when church membership entailed a sworn public confession of biblical faith.[1]
This is a revealing tally. It shows that the members of the Constitutional Convention, the most influential group of men shaping the political foundations of our nation, were almost all Christians, 51 of 55--a full 93%. Indeed, 70% were Calvinists (the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the Dutch Reformed), considered by some to be the most extreme and dogmatic form of Christianity.
What Did the Founding Fathers Believe and Value?
When you study the documents of the Revolutionary period, a precise picture comes into focus. Here it is:
Virtually all those involved in the founding enterprise were God-fearing men in the Christian sense; most were Calvinistic Protestants.
The Founders were deeply influenced by a biblical view of man and government. With a sober understanding of the fallenness of man, they devised a system of limited authority and checks and balances.
The Founders understood that fear of God, moral leadership, and a righteous citizenry were necessary for their great experiment to succeed.
Therefore, they structured a political climate that was encouraging to Christianity and accommodating to religion, rather than hostile to it.
Protestant Christianity was the prevailing religious view for the first 150 years of our history.
However...
The Fathers sought to set up a just society, not a Christian theocracy.
They specifically prohibited the establishment of Christianity--or any other faith--as the religion of our nation.
A Two-Sided Coin
We can safely draw two conclusions from these facts, which serve to inform our understanding of the relationship between religion and government in the United States.
First, Christianity was the prevailing moral and intellectual influence shaping the nation from its outset. The Christian influence pervaded all aspects of life, from education to politics. Therefore, the present concept of a rigid wall of separation hardly seems historically justified.
Virtually every one of the Founders saw a vital link between civil religion and civil government. George Washington's admonitions in his Farewell Speech, September 19, 1796, were characteristic of the general sentiment:
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports....And let us indulge with caution the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
.And let us indulge with caution the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.
Funny that. Confucianism seemed to do o.k for the better part of 2,500 years across much of Asia.
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lets not get tied down if they are racist or not, or if there anti- Semitic, im sure quite a lot are and quite a few aren't, but at the end of the day its just semantics, the Tea-Baggers are a fringe right wing organization that would get obliterated in elections and thats why they are afraid to run, and have to try and scare people
I don’t know anyone that wants to keep healthcare from anyone...is it necessary to mandate health care for EVERYONE?....to help those that have none....NO it is not...
Obama canceled the National Day of prayer but did not cancel the Muslim prayer day...hmmmm
sounds as if, at the least he favors, Muslims over Christians...especially when he said we are not a Christian Nation.....You should know this because in no way does he try to hide his favoritism....this Nation was created based on Christian values....which is the reason we have a choice to follow the religion of our choice....
And if you far left sheep could at least back up your claims.......you may actually be taken more seriously.
1.There are no leaders in the Tea Party
2. "yeah the violence is bad, yeah the racism is bad, but they're just angry and they have the right to be violent and racist".
Were did you hear this....for one there is NO racism in the Tea Party....and there has been NO violence by the Tea Party....
The Tea Party does not condone violence at all! And never has...
So why would they renounce something that never happened?
I have to say I don't know much about Texas
Obviously you didn't read the Treaty of Tripoli, did you?
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of [Muslims},—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any [Islamic} nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Treaty being ratified the the Senate and signed by then President John Adams, that infamous godless Communist himself.
you are wrong, aerial.
according to Article 11 of The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
also, the bible says "For rebellion as is the sin of witchcraft." 1 Samuel, 15:23 so, technically what they did was a sin?
the founding fathers had some interesting takes on christianity
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingf ... #Jefferson
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingf ... html#Adams
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingf ... html#paine
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what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
1, give back to insurance companies the right to drop or deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions
2, not allow kids to stay on their parents insurance until age 26
3, open back up the donut hole in medicare rx drug plan
4, allow insurance companies to again arbitrarily raise premiums up to 39% for no reason at all like blue cross did a few months ago
5, deny or repeal coverage to the 35 million people that were just covered by the new law...
6, raise taxes again on middle income americans while cutting taxes on those making over $250,000, the opposite of what the new law does...
and these 6 items are under just one law opposed by the gop AND the teabaggers...
i absolutely dare you to run people that will campagn on that and see what happens and how badly the floor gets wiped with them.
even better, i dare you to run teabag candidates to siphon votes from the gop to virtually guarantee obama and the dems re-election...i dare you to do it...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You still don’t get it......the Tea Party is not all about healthcare...it’s about keeping America a Republic.......it’s time to kick ALL congress out........we are going to be working hard to Flip That House!
Like I have repeated over and over the cause is not Republican or Democrats...it’s not race or ethnic related....it’s happening because the people we elect Dem. and Repub. Both Are not listening to the people they work for ...then there’s the rampant corruption we have in the House
hate to break it to you, but that ain't gonna happen...
i still dare your little group to campaign on that...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I can't see why anyone would be against it
well there are lots of people against it
Are you saying there are people that don’t mind the corruption in the White House?....and there are people that don’t have a problem with their representatives representing and listening to lobbyist over the people?
you where speaking of proof earlier, where is your proof of corruption in the white house
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Why else are they getting hired and making all this money unless they're actually getting something done?" - Barack Obama on lobbyists
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Well good because that is what I AM NOT doing.........can't you ever be civil?
Hey, don't blame me for being faster on the trigger than you
The Declaration of Independence contains at least four references to God.
architects of the Constitution
The denominational affiliations of these men were a matter of public record. Among the delegates were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin--this at a time when church membership entailed a sworn public confession of biblical faith.[1]
This is a revealing tally. It shows that the members of the Constitutional Convention, the most influential group of men shaping the political foundations of our nation, were almost all Christians, 51 of 55--a full 93%. Indeed, 70% were Calvinists (the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the Dutch Reformed), considered by some to be the most extreme and dogmatic form of Christianity.
What Did the Founding Fathers Believe and Value?
When you study the documents of the Revolutionary period, a precise picture comes into focus. Here it is:
Virtually all those involved in the founding enterprise were God-fearing men in the Christian sense; most were Calvinistic Protestants.
The Founders were deeply influenced by a biblical view of man and government. With a sober understanding of the fallenness of man, they devised a system of limited authority and checks and balances.
The Founders understood that fear of God, moral leadership, and a righteous citizenry were necessary for their great experiment to succeed.
Therefore, they structured a political climate that was encouraging to Christianity and accommodating to religion, rather than hostile to it.
Protestant Christianity was the prevailing religious view for the first 150 years of our history.
However...
The Fathers sought to set up a just society, not a Christian theocracy.
They specifically prohibited the establishment of Christianity--or any other faith--as the religion of our nation.
A Two-Sided Coin
We can safely draw two conclusions from these facts, which serve to inform our understanding of the relationship between religion and government in the United States.
First, Christianity was the prevailing moral and intellectual influence shaping the nation from its outset. The Christian influence pervaded all aspects of life, from education to politics. Therefore, the present concept of a rigid wall of separation hardly seems historically justified.
Virtually every one of the Founders saw a vital link between civil religion and civil government. George Washington's admonitions in his Farewell Speech, September 19, 1796, were characteristic of the general sentiment:
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports....And let us indulge with caution the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.
Funny that. Confucianism seemed to do o.k for the better part of 2,500 years across much of Asia.